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On November 27 2018 05:51 Plansix wrote:
And Trump just said he doesn’t believe the EPAs report on climate change. That is it, he doesn’t believe it. No qualifications or dancing around it, he just doesn’t believe the science. It’s fake.
Edit: it wouldn’t be a UK thread is folks were don’t bemoaning how the UK isn’t as awesome as it used to be, while also feeling bad about all the colonialism.
It is his own god damn EPA..... That makes him look horrible
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On November 27 2018 05:53 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2018 05:52 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
But Ukraine isn't in NATO. That's kind of the reason why Russia can just do whatever they like, and it could even be the reason as to why Russia attacked their naval vessels. Do you seriously think Trump knows whether or not "the Ukraine" is in NATO?
He's the president of USA, he might know? Actually what am I saying, of course he doesn't.
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On November 27 2018 05:55 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2018 05:53 Gahlo wrote:On November 27 2018 05:52 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
But Ukraine isn't in NATO. That's kind of the reason why Russia can just do whatever they like, and it could even be the reason as to why Russia attacked their naval vessels. Do you seriously think Trump knows whether or not "the Ukraine" is in NATO? He's the president of USA, he might know? Actually what am I saying, of course he doesn't.
"but, but, but Ukraine isn't in NATO" is only an excuse if you want to play dumb about the relationships between USA, NATO, Ukraine, and Russia.
A united NATO with USA backing is the only thing that could deter Russia from further adventures in Ukraine. Maybe, and only maybe here, if the USA stood with NATO and NATO moved more standing forces eastward, Putin might get the message that his adventures are drawing too close to a line. By Trump ensuring that NATO will remain divided, weak, and without USA support, Trump makes sure that any timelines where Putin has to fear a NATO response never occur.
Trump blasted NATO 4 hours after the boat news broke and hasn't said anything since. Finland, Ukraine, Montenegro, and other not-NATO countries heard the message loud and clear even if you want to pretend you can't hear it. Just to be super clear here, the message is:
USA and NATO will not unite and confront Russian aggression in Eastern Europe.
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On November 27 2018 05:52 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
But Ukraine isn't in NATO. That's kind of the reason why Russia can just do whatever they like, and it could even be the reason as to why Russia attacked their naval vessels. I don't even understand.
If you look back at the Republican National Convention and the one thing that the Trump campaign changed about the platform, it is clear that this has been planned for years.
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I would not take Trump's Nato comments too seriously. NATO allies can deny military bases, information and worst of all; refuse to buy US weapon systems.
There was a huge NATO military exercise in Norway recently, amd the US even sent an aircraft carrier. If Trump suggests pulling out of things like that, we have more reason to worry.
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Unions tend to lean democrat, but it is hard to say in this election. Trump pandered to that voter base hard, while having zero ability to give them the things he promised. He promised that GM would tear down factories to build new ones in the US, which isn’t how this shit works. They do shut down factories to build new ones in other countries.
The auto industry is going to take it in the teeth for a while. No one wants new cars at the prices they exist at right now. And people are making long term decisions based on there being a recession.
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On November 27 2018 06:46 Plansix wrote:
Unions tend to lean democrat, but it is hard to say in this election. Trump pandered to that voter base hard, while having zero ability to give them the things he promised. He promised that GM would tear down factories to build new ones in the US, which isn’t how this shit works. They do shut down factories to build new ones in other countries.
The auto industry is going to take it in the teeth for a while. No one wants new cars at the prices they exist at right now. And people are making long term decisions based on there being a recession.
I think a big thing is a lot of democrats, especially at a high national level, more or less ignore the unions as a political talking point. But then you also get people like Sherrod Brown who do a lot of labor work. Given the right's love of things like right to work I think unions do still lean democratic, but it's a weak relationship because the dems aren't offering much either. That and unions have been pretty heavily gutted so a lot of people who would be in unions historically aren't anymore and I could imagine a lot of people voting against their union interests if their unions are weakened to the point of being ineffective.
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On November 27 2018 07:00 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2018 06:46 Plansix wrote:
Unions tend to lean democrat, but it is hard to say in this election. Trump pandered to that voter base hard, while having zero ability to give them the things he promised. He promised that GM would tear down factories to build new ones in the US, which isn’t how this shit works. They do shut down factories to build new ones in other countries.
The auto industry is going to take it in the teeth for a while. No one wants new cars at the prices they exist at right now. And people are making long term decisions based on there being a recession. I think a big thing is a lot of democrats, especially at a high national level, more or less ignore the unions as a political talking point. But then you also get people like Sherrod Brown who do a lot of labor work. Given the right's love of things like right to work I think unions do still lean democratic, but it's a weak relationship because the dems aren't offering much either. That and unions have been pretty heavily gutted so a lot of people who would be in unions historically aren't anymore and I could imagine a lot of people voting against their union interests if their unions are weakened to the point of being ineffective.
My father is an Irish Democrat through and through, raised in a union family. But even he didn’t like unions. Especially because he owned a business and generally treated his employees well. He hated strikes and always said they were just a form of blackmail. My mother as well. I don't think they ever experienced a strike, but they dislike them for reasons.
Over the holiday we talked about politics and the teachers unions in the state banding together. Of course both of them were for better education, but didn’t think a strike was a good idea if it came to that. Both of them are nearly retired and a teachers strike would have zero impact on their lives, but they would still oppose it principle. My wife and I supported any strike and thought more professions should unionize to protect themselves. My mother was truly shocked and asked why. My wife told her “We will never be you two.” The more we dug into why they opposed unions, the less they could justify disliking them.
The boomer generation was feed a steady diet of anti union/labor propaganda through the 1980s and 1990s. Much like racism was a thing of the past, labor issues were resolved and unions were not something we needed any more.
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On November 27 2018 07:38 JimmiC wrote:
Unions have a lot of issues. Members are often very unhappy at work due to "golden hand cuffs", seniority rules cause a lot of issues. Also, lots of people want flexibility in there work and very set hours and breaks can make this problematic. There are some pretty major bonuses and this is why when a union job comes up there is usually a ton of applications. But it is a odd thing because many people want them, but a large portion of the people working in them are quite unhappy. It will be interesting to see if unions are able to adapt and bargain for the changing work world and work force or disappear.
Golden handcuffs is a thing in non-union companies, too. It's called vesting, and it's basically bullshit where a company defers paying a worker some money until some period of time after the work that earned it.
Actually, your post is the first time I've ever seen anyone talk about golden handcuffs being a negative thing associated with unions, and I couldn't find anyone else talking about it in a few minutes with google, so more information on how unions lead to golden handcuffs would be appreciated.
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On November 27 2018 07:56 Kyadytim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2018 07:38 JimmiC wrote:
Unions have a lot of issues. Members are often very unhappy at work due to "golden hand cuffs", seniority rules cause a lot of issues. Also, lots of people want flexibility in there work and very set hours and breaks can make this problematic. There are some pretty major bonuses and this is why when a union job comes up there is usually a ton of applications. But it is a odd thing because many people want them, but a large portion of the people working in them are quite unhappy. It will be interesting to see if unions are able to adapt and bargain for the changing work world and work force or disappear. Golden handcuffs is a thing in non-union companies, too. It's called vesting, and it's basically bullshit where a company defers paying a worker some money until some period of time after the work that earned it. Actually, your post is the first time I've ever seen anyone talk about golden handcuffs being a negative thing associated with unions, and I couldn't find anyone else talking about it in a few minutes with google, so more information on how unions lead to golden handcuffs would be appreciated.
Not so much golden handcuffs, but the Longshoreman union in CA does layoffs from new hires up.
Source - my dad who has worked there for 35+ years
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It's not a negative if you choose to stay with a company as you have chosen to do so as you get a lot more money, but have to tolerate your work collegues that you wouldn't had otherwise, whilst being prtoected by a union.
The other alternative would to simply not have that benefit.
If people want flexibility, the point of unions to to help enable that flexibility, rather than being forced to work unfavourable hours or at a moments notice for fear of losing the job. There are negatives for workers in a union, but you haven't mentioned them.
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On November 27 2018 04:22 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2018 04:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On November 27 2018 02:24 Plansix wrote:
Florida is a special level of trash when it comes to existing, elections included. I’m not really disputing that the US sucks at elections. We suck at them. But I don’t think running elections better would minimize the amount of time it takes to resolve the closest races. Especially states that require hand recounts. "X state is a special level of trash when it comes to existing" Glad to see we're still practicing high quality standards of posting here 10/10 never change dude Florida is a special level of trash because it is so god damn proud of being the biggest dumpster fire. Mayor to female commissioner: You make a living off anal bleaching. It’s a #MeToo moment, she saysAs Fav put it, FL got dragged before the highest court and put on blast nationally for how poorly their elections are handled. Twenty years later, still shit at elections and fundamentally uninterested in improving. I bet 20 years from now they will still be shit at elections. Because they like it. Own your state’s bullshit, rather than running from it. I’m from MA, we suck at driving, hate road signs, only know how to build highways that go west to east, and Boston is pretty racist on average.
Honestly the trashiest things here are you, plansix, and the forum moderation team that lets you two continue spewing hot shit out in this thread to this day. Anyone who goes around saying an entire country or province a 'special level of trash when it comes to existing' is already retarded but continue living in your bubble
The double standards haven't changed at all since I last visited here.
Have fun bashing America and Florida or whatever region of millions of people you want to flame from your high horse, your life must be pretty pathetic to feel the need to unironically do that on a daily basis
not as pathetic as the mod team that lets you get away with it though
shame on all involved
God bless America
I'll still support Team Liquid players and prominent community members but I have zero respect for the forum moderation team at this point so stay smug and have fun being pseudintellectual incompetents in this thread may your echochamber lead you to happiness
User was warned for this post.
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On November 27 2018 09:16 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2018 04:22 Plansix wrote:On November 27 2018 04:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On November 27 2018 02:24 Plansix wrote:
Florida is a special level of trash when it comes to existing, elections included. I’m not really disputing that the US sucks at elections. We suck at them. But I don’t think running elections better would minimize the amount of time it takes to resolve the closest races. Especially states that require hand recounts. "X state is a special level of trash when it comes to existing" Glad to see we're still practicing high quality standards of posting here 10/10 never change dude Florida is a special level of trash because it is so god damn proud of being the biggest dumpster fire. Mayor to female commissioner: You make a living off anal bleaching. It’s a #MeToo moment, she saysAs Fav put it, FL got dragged before the highest court and put on blast nationally for how poorly their elections are handled. Twenty years later, still shit at elections and fundamentally uninterested in improving. I bet 20 years from now they will still be shit at elections. Because they like it. Own your state’s bullshit, rather than running from it. I’m from MA, we suck at driving, hate road signs, only know how to build highways that go west to east, and Boston is pretty racist on average. Honestly the trashiest things here are you, plansix, and the forum moderation team that lets you two continue spewing hot shit out in this thread to this day. Anyone who goes around saying an entire country or province a 'special level of trash when it comes to existing' is already retarded but continue living in your bubble The double standards haven't changed at all since I last visited here. Have fun bashing America and Florida or whatever region of millions of people you want to flame from your high horse, your life must be pretty pathetic to feel the need to unironically do that on a daily basis not as pathetic as the mod team that lets you get away with it though shame on all involved God bless America I'll still support Team Liquid players and prominent community members but I have zero respect for the forum moderation team at this point so stay smug and have fun being pseudintellectual incompetents in this thread may your echochamber lead you to happiness
Man, you really need to relax
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On November 27 2018 09:16 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2018 04:22 Plansix wrote:On November 27 2018 04:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On November 27 2018 02:24 Plansix wrote:
Florida is a special level of trash when it comes to existing, elections included. I’m not really disputing that the US sucks at elections. We suck at them. But I don’t think running elections better would minimize the amount of time it takes to resolve the closest races. Especially states that require hand recounts. "X state is a special level of trash when it comes to existing" Glad to see we're still practicing high quality standards of posting here 10/10 never change dude Florida is a special level of trash because it is so god damn proud of being the biggest dumpster fire. Mayor to female commissioner: You make a living off anal bleaching. It’s a #MeToo moment, she saysAs Fav put it, FL got dragged before the highest court and put on blast nationally for how poorly their elections are handled. Twenty years later, still shit at elections and fundamentally uninterested in improving. I bet 20 years from now they will still be shit at elections. Because they like it. Own your state’s bullshit, rather than running from it. I’m from MA, we suck at driving, hate road signs, only know how to build highways that go west to east, and Boston is pretty racist on average. Honestly the trashiest things here are you, plansix, and the forum moderation team that lets you two continue spewing hot shit out in this thread to this day. Anyone who goes around saying an entire country or province a 'special level of trash when it comes to existing' is already retarded but continue living in your bubble The double standards haven't changed at all since I last visited here. Have fun bashing America and Florida or whatever region of millions of people you want to flame from your high horse, your life must be pretty pathetic to feel the need to unironically do that on a daily basis not as pathetic as the mod team that lets you get away with it though shame on all involved God bless America I'll still support Team Liquid players and prominent community members but I have zero respect for the forum moderation team at this point so stay smug and have fun being pseudintellectual incompetents in this thread may your echochamber lead you to happiness
No, shame on YOU.
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On November 27 2018 09:16 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2018 04:22 Plansix wrote:On November 27 2018 04:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On November 27 2018 02:24 Plansix wrote:
Florida is a special level of trash when it comes to existing, elections included. I’m not really disputing that the US sucks at elections. We suck at them. But I don’t think running elections better would minimize the amount of time it takes to resolve the closest races. Especially states that require hand recounts. "X state is a special level of trash when it comes to existing" Glad to see we're still practicing high quality standards of posting here 10/10 never change dude Florida is a special level of trash because it is so god damn proud of being the biggest dumpster fire. Mayor to female commissioner: You make a living off anal bleaching. It’s a #MeToo moment, she saysAs Fav put it, FL got dragged before the highest court and put on blast nationally for how poorly their elections are handled. Twenty years later, still shit at elections and fundamentally uninterested in improving. I bet 20 years from now they will still be shit at elections. Because they like it. Own your state’s bullshit, rather than running from it. I’m from MA, we suck at driving, hate road signs, only know how to build highways that go west to east, and Boston is pretty racist on average. Honestly the trashiest things here are you, plansix, and the forum moderation team that lets you two continue spewing hot shit out in this thread to this day. Anyone who goes around saying an entire country or province a 'special level of trash when it comes to existing' is already retarded but continue living in your bubble The double standards haven't changed at all since I last visited here. Have fun bashing America and Florida or whatever region of millions of people you want to flame from your high horse, your life must be pretty pathetic to feel the need to unironically do that on a daily basis not as pathetic as the mod team that lets you get away with it though shame on all involved God bless America I'll still support Team Liquid players and prominent community members but I have zero respect for the forum moderation team at this point so stay smug and have fun being pseudintellectual incompetents in this thread may your echochamber lead you to happiness
Shitting on states, including my own, is my god given right as an American and I will not have it taken away to soothe your delicate sense of patriotism. And Florida holds a unique place as the only state with a Mayor asking another member of government about anal bleaching. And no one can take that away from them. Along with Florida man, the twitter legend.
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