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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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riotjune
United States3394 Posts
On November 27 2018 09:32 Plansix wrote: Shitting on states, including my own, is my god given right as an American and I will not have it taken away to soothe your delicate sense of patriotism. And Florida holds a unique place as the only state with a Mayor asking another member of government about anal bleaching. And no one can take that away from them. Along with Florida man, the twitter legend. lol hey, you're not wrong | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On November 27 2018 09:49 JimmiC wrote: Maybe there is some history I don't know about but that sure escalated quickly! Certainly sounds like it . But then a lot of Conservative posters post in this manner these days. And are shocked when they get moderated. Outraged, even. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On November 27 2018 07:25 Plansix wrote: The boomer generation was feed a steady diet of anti union/labor propaganda through the 1980s and 1990s. Much like racism was a thing of the past, labor issues were resolved and unions were not something we needed any more. To be fair to the boomers (ugh) it's not *just* propaganda. Taft-Hartley act had a lot of slow burning effects, and there was a lot of union busting in the `60s. Plus a lot of other smaller measures that constantly make it harder for unions to actually enact any meaningful change. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
Remember those conversations? I doooooooo!!! :D :D :D :D At this point, we have the following timeline, which certainly makes us scratch our chins and wonder what might have been going on: From reddit: March 2016: Manafort joins Trump campaign as an advisor Spring 2016: Manafort meets with Assange in person June 9, 2016: Trump Tower meeting June 20, 2016: Manafort is appointed Trump's campaign manager July 2016: Wikileaks releases hacked DNC emails To me, this interesting timeline suggests Wikileaks was somewhat of an intermediary between Russian intelligence and Manafort, who was then the intermediary to Trump's campaign. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/27/manafort-held-secret-talks-with-assange-in-ecuadorian-embassy?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other Donald Trump’s former campaign manager Paul Manafort held secret talks with Julian Assange inside the Ecuadorian embassy in London, and visited around the time he joined Trump’s campaign, the Guardian has been told. Sources have said Manafort went to see Assange in 2013, 2015 and in spring 2016 – during the period when he was made a key figure in Trump’s push for the White House. [...] A separate internal document written by Ecuador’s Senain intelligence agency and seen by the Guardian lists “Paul Manaford [sic]” as one of several well-known guests. It also mentions “Russians”. According to the sources, Manafort returned to the embassy in 2015. He paid another visit in spring 2016, turning up alone, around the time Trump named him as his convention manager. The visit is tentatively dated to March. We all have that one edgelord on our Facebook who still insists Wikileaks is a chaotic neutral player. This brings me soooo much joy. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22664 Posts
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46353111 Can't help but wonder what Manafort was thinking, did he really believe he could tell Mueller lies without him finding out? | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
You can see a lot of parallels to Trump's behavior. Trump is more bombastic about it, but it reeks of the same sort of privilege. | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/tdoct0R.jpg) Ive seen this sticker around at a few places lately. With all the hand signal stuff going around I was wondering if anyone thought this was worth reporting to a manager or if Im over reacting. Even if done ironically, the whole thing seems sketchy to me. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46540 Posts
On November 28 2018 01:18 Sadist wrote: Ive seen this sticker around at a few places lately. With all the hand signal stuff going around I was wondering if anyone thought this was worth reporting to a manager or if Im over reacting. Even if done ironically, the whole thing seems sketchy to me. What is this hand signal/ gesture/ potential undertone? I'm unfamiliar with this (except for the traditional "A-Okay" sign). | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OK_(gesture)#As_white_power_symbol | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
I wont get my hopes up for that though. Still, there should be plenty of impeachment fodder even without that. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On November 28 2018 01:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: What is this hand signal/ gesture/ potential undertone? I'm unfamiliar with this (except for the traditional "A-Okay" sign). It's a weird and bizarre trip, basically 4chan flooded a hoax about the 'OK' symbol being a white power symbol. Then nazi-inclined people started using the symbol ironically to 'own the libs', but then that mean it *was* a white supremacist symbol in some lowkey way. And then it spread to people who only care to 'own the libs' and the whole water is muddy and weird like everything 2018. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On November 28 2018 01:31 Plansix wrote: So I believe it might be worth reporting because the “OK” symbol has nothing to do with products being made in America. It recently has become a low key way people to show support for “White Power” and racism in general. Due to that, I don’t think taking that ticker in good faith is a smart move. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OK_(gesture)#As_white_power_symbol Remember that shot of all those high schoolers giving the Nazi salute? One of the kids in the front row was throwing this gesture out. Yet people all over, including on this forum, will continue to defend it as some innocent gesture that cant possible mean anything bad and that anyone who disagrees is a provocateur. These are likely the same people who act like context doesn't matter and will throw up pictures of Obama or Hillary making the gesture during a speech to defend their position. Sad. Pepe 2.0. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 28 2018 01:11 Gorsameth wrote: Speaking of Manafort, I'm kinda surprised there has been no mention yet that Mueller has charged Manafort with lying to the FBI after he accepted his plea deal. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46353111 Can't help but wonder what Manafort was thinking, did he really believe he could tell Mueller lies without him finding out? I need to know more, but my impression is that he assumed the FBI didn’t know things. Or he isn’t as scared of the FBI as he is of other people slipping some plutonium into his tea. Also: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/27/manafort-held-secret-talks-with-assange-in-ecuadorian-embassy This is the story to watch. If this turns out to be true, this whole thing might turn out to be far stupider than we ever anticipated. But I've said it before that Manaford is a dumb ass criminal. A separate internal document written by Ecuador’s Senain intelligence agency and seen by the Guardian lists “Paul Manaford [sic]” as one of several well-known guests. It also mentions “Russians”. According to the sources, Manafort returned to the embassy in 2015. He paid another visit in spring 2016, turning up alone, around the time Trump named him as his convention manager. The visit is tentatively dated to March. Manafort’s 2016 visit to Assange lasted about 40 minutes, one source said, adding that the American was casually dressed when he exited the embassy, wearing sandy-coloured chinos, a cardigan and a light-coloured shirt. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46540 Posts
On November 28 2018 01:31 Plansix wrote: So I believe it might be worth reporting because the “OK” symbol has nothing to do with products being made in America. It recently has become a low key way people to show support for “White Power” and racism in general. Due to that, I don’t think taking that ticker in good faith is a smart move. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OK_(gesture)#As_white_power_symbol I see, thank you! I'm also aware of it used in "the circle game" where if you make the sign below your waist and someone else looks at it, you get to punch them. Perhaps we should be proactive and start punching people that make this sign, just in case + Show Spoiler + I'm only half joking, if this is indeed some alt-right/ white power/ Nazi-esque bullshit. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On November 28 2018 01:31 On_Slaught wrote: Perhaps blatant evidence of collusion isnt as big a stretch as we thought with actors like Manafort, Wikileaks, and Stone all crossing paths. Throw in the Trump Tower meeting and the timeline of events and it's easy to see how this could equate to a smoking gun of sorts. I wont get my hopes up for that though. Still, there should be plenty of impeachment fodder even without that. Well keep in mind Mueller recently discovered Manafort lied about "a variety" of topics. It is starting to look like Mueller cracked an egg we don't know about yet. As for who that egg is, who can say. Or a big trove of information, perhaps from Ecuador. It was Ecuador's intelligence agency that saw Manafort, as well as a bunch of Russians visiting Assange. Perhaps Ecuador has a lot more than that. Perhaps that ended up leading them in a bunch of other directions. Regardless, Mueller having sources that eliminate Manafort's information-exclusivity is a huge deal. Manafort was the highest up the ladder you can go without being an actual member of the Trump family. I think we are at a point where it is highly likely someone in Trump's family, either Jared or Jr, end up directly indicted and probably screwed. The entire idea that Manafort isn't necessary anymore is just so huge. He was once thought of as the golden egg with so many connections he felt invincible. We are way past that. This also goes to show why it is so important that investigations be allowed to continue for long periods of time. It takes time. But Manafort and Wikileaks were guilty this whole time. Just really well covered tracks. But give the FBI enough time and they'll figure it out. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 28 2018 01:38 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I see, thank you! I'm also aware of it used in "the circle game" where if you make the sign below your waist and someone else looks at it, you get to punch them. Perhaps we should be proactive and start punching people that make this sign, just in case + Show Spoiler + I'm only half joking, if this is indeed some alt-right/ white power/ Nazi-esque bullshit. It is the subversion of a previously benign hand gesture. These people are not good faith actors. They want that confusion to exist because the doubt of their intent allows them to operate openly. It is why a lot of history buffs I know have started to really push back against folks that use the phrase “Western Culture” rather than Western Civilization. It seems small, but when you dig into what the people using “Western Culture” believe that represents you end up uncovering this completely inaccurate narrative about white European history straight out of the 1800s where history starts in Ancient Greece and then jumps to European Imperialism "improving" uncivilized nations. We have had this problem in the thread from time to time as well. On November 28 2018 01:41 Dangermousecatdog wrote: It's insidious precisely because it has plausible deniability is it not? It came from 4chan, so of course that is the intent. "Its just a joke" is the excuse that 4chan uses for everything. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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