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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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HwangjaeTerran
Finland5967 Posts
On November 13 2018 23:34 Plansix wrote: Honestly, California has had so much urban sprawl without adequate funding of fire prevention that there is a bit of truth to that. But also there have been few federal resources and funding for that same fire prevention. And a lot of cuts, from a lot of reports. California is one of the higher tax states in the country and already pays a ton into the federal government, so asking for some back to manage the growth into these higher fire risk areas isn’t unreasonable. But global warming also has a part to play. California has had a drought for years now and a problem keeping water flowing. I don’t know if it is the longest drought in recorded history, but it has been going on for so long that congress should have tasked money to assist different areas of the state with preventing fires. Finally, I wouldn’t lean into Mercury News to much. They are a weird site and I’m not sure they have reporters. Any of the major news outlets in the US are a better source of information on the fires. ? They won two pulitzers for disaster reporting and are the 5th biggest daily newspaper in US. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On November 13 2018 23:52 Plansix wrote: The folks on the right that talk about freedom of speech are not really interested protecting true freedom of speech. They are interested in assuring their message has a platform everywhere. They do not give a shit if someone else is silenced by the government or forced to stand for the national anthem due to pressure from the President. Freedom of speech for that crowd is being unable to post/say whatever they want without consequences, including social consequences. There's also a big malicious laziness in the platform where they inherently ignore the free speech of other groups, both protestors and people who may be cowed into silence by aggressive and intimidating speech (whether it verges on the edge of inciting violence or merely demonizes and ridicules a group). My thought is protect free speech, but when it gets murky and difficult and you can't untangle what's 'right'... not being on the side of fascists and neo-nazis is probably the better way to go. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
Note that this living disgrace who serves as your president bashes France the day it commemorates the 3 years of the 13/11 terror attacks in Paris. Imagine some foreign leader tweeting on the 11/09 to mock/attack your country. Extremely classy, isn't it? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 13 2018 23:55 HwangjaeTerran wrote: ? They won two pulitzers for disaster reporting and are the 5th biggest daily newspaper in US. My bad. I must have had them confused with a pure website news outlet. Though in my defense they are a West Coast paper.. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 13 2018 23:56 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Here Trump lays out his grand scheme for NATO. Pay the US, or the Germans will come for you. Or something. I don't even know. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1062311785787744256 I am more upset that he thinks France didn’t hold its own during the Great War. That is sort of what that entire war is about and is a huge factor in the whole WW2 thing. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8209 Posts
On November 13 2018 23:53 JimmiC wrote: I was also reading there was some disagreement about the Freedom index because some didn't like who created it. How about the democracy index https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index It has the US rated at 21, right near the top of the "flawed democracy" category. Civil Liberties it is actually even further down. I am a bit amazed by that ranking. What is France doing in the flawed democracies category and why? There are a couple of weird things in french institutions but afaik it’s not a “flawed” democracy whatsoever. And i don’t say that out of national pride or anything like that. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On November 13 2018 23:56 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Here Trump lays out his grand scheme for NATO. Pay the US, or the Germans will come for you. Or something. I don't even know. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1062311785787744256 Well, there's the nail in the "does he understand what the NATO target spending numbers mean" coffin. The whole point of NATO defense targets is that France has their own army! | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10974 Posts
On November 14 2018 00:26 TheTenthDoc wrote: Well, there's the nail in the "does he understand what the NATO target spending numbers mean" coffin. The whole point of NATO defense targets is that France has their own army! I searched the report for it, the reason it states is: "France’s slip was the result of a deterioration in social cohesion." http://www.yabiladi.com/img/content/EIU-Democracy-Index-2015.pdf | ||
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Sent.
Poland9331 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom10014 Posts
On November 14 2018 00:21 Biff The Understudy wrote: I am a bit amazed by that ranking. What is France doing in the flawed democracies category and why? There are a couple of weird things in french institutions but afaik it’s not a “flawed” democracy whatsoever. And i don’t say that out of national pride or anything like that. Haven't there been some major politicians arrested for corruption in France in the last few years? I think that could contribute to the low 'political culture' score. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18473 Posts
On November 13 2018 23:22 HwangjaeTerran wrote: The biggest newspaper in Finland says the californian forest fires are caused by global warming. So my eyebrow raises and I have to take a look into it and of course that's not what it actually is, it's decades of mismanagement https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2018/07/30/californias-devastating-fires-are-man-caused-but-not-in-the-way-they-tell-us/#3916c15870af guess what it's a quote from california governor jerry brown who seems to be willing to sacrifice lives for an argument https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/10/11/wine-country-fires-gov-brown-vetoed-2016-bill-aimed-at-power-line-wildfire-safety/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/11/12/state-regulators-investigating-pge-socal-edison-for-roles-in-deadly-camp-woolsey-fires/ https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1061168803218948096?s=09 donnies reaction is pretty tame at this point No individual incident could ever be pinned on global warming except things that are directly caused by a rising sea level. It is impossible to prove that droughts, hurricanes or mudslides are caused by global warming. All you can do is build an accurate model of the climate system and predict where things are going to get dryer, wetter, or warmer. If an area is set to get dryer, then you can say that the likelihood of severe droughts will increase there. Is any individual drought caused by global warming? No. But you could more accurately say that the decrease in 10y. average rainfall was caused by global warming, and therefore the *chance* of a severe drought occurring increased. Just as you can show that an increase of ocean temperature in the middle atlantic (as well as some other factors) increases the risk of category 5 hurricanes happening, | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On November 13 2018 23:53 JimmiC wrote: I was also reading there was some disagreement about the Freedom index because some didn't like who created it. How about the democracy index https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index It has the US rated at 21, right near the top of the "flawed democracy" category. Civil Liberties it is actually even further down. Huh that's funny, UK is a lot higher up than I thought it would be. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On November 13 2018 23:56 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Here Trump lays out his grand scheme for NATO. Pay the US, or the Germans will come for you. Or something. I don't even know. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1062311785787744256 Lol it looks like he's attempting to level an insult at Macron by saying that his country got beat in WW1 & WW2. He should at least go after Macron personally if his insult is going to have any bite. What a dummy. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10974 Posts
On November 14 2018 01:59 Doodsmack wrote: Lol it looks like he's attempting to level an insult at Macron by saying that his country got beat in WW1 & WW2. He should at least go after Macron personally if his insult is going to have any bite. What a dummy. Technically france won both these wars. People like to forget that  . | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On November 14 2018 03:00 Velr wrote: Technically france won both these wars. People like to forget that .France won both wars, and left Vietnam before shit really hit the fan. Doing better than the US | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
On November 14 2018 00:21 Biff The Understudy wrote: I am a bit amazed by that ranking. What is France doing in the flawed democracies category and why? There are a couple of weird things in french institutions but afaik it’s not a “flawed” democracy whatsoever. And i don’t say that out of national pride or anything like that. I don't get the 5.x on political culture, yes... Seems really low especially when compared to other countries. I mean we have the full spectrum from far left to far right represented, and people are mostly informed... ? Well whatever. edit : read remaining posts detailing why... Well it's fair I guess, even though I don't fully agree. The fact that I cannot retire from the army though, contrary to several international and human rights conventions, should lower that score of course xD | ||
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