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On November 11 2018 01:30 Mohdoo wrote:
I think/hope T_D is gonna end up deleted soon. The kind of anger they are stoking right now regarding the midterm voting is really scary to see. People are being actively radicalized on one of the biggest websites around. This is so sad to watch.
Interesting how the left is currently going through a phase of increasing censorship of opinions they disagree with but they continue to call the other side authoritarian.
Ban it and they’ll move enmasse to 4chan and 8chan.And they will become radicalised then because they have been deplatformed.
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PARIS (Reuters) - President Donald Trump could not attend a commemoration in France for U.S. soldiers and marines killed during World War One on Saturday because rain made it impossible to arrange transport, the White House said.
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The president was scheduled to pay tribute at a ceremony at the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery in Belleau, about 85 km (50 miles) east of Paris, with his wife Melania. But light steady rain and a low cloud ceiling prevented his helicopter from traveling to the site.
“(Their attendance) has been canceled due to scheduling and logistical difficulties caused by the weather,” the White House said in a statement, adding that a delegation lead by Chief of Staff John Kelly, a retired general, went instead.
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Ben Rhodes, who served as deputy national security adviser for strategic communications under President Barack Obama, said the excuse about the inclement weather did not stand up.
“I helped plan all of President Obama’s trips for 8 years,” he wrote on Twitter. “There is always a rain option. Always.”
Despite the light rain, French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Angela Merkel held a moving ceremony in Compiegne, northeast of Paris, to mark the 100th anniversary of the signing of the World War One armistice.
source: www.reuters.com
if "plans to go out foiled by light rain" doesn't spell tough leader I don't know what else does.
Is there a chance this is because of Macron's comment from yesterday and he's just mad?
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Maybe because Trump is such a bad boss to work for, all the competent people left and there was no actual rain plan.But that Kelly somehow made it despite the rain makes it a very bad look. Especially with it being the 100th anniversary of a war famous for soldiers suffering in deep mud. The monument is not very far from Paris at all.
Every opponent should confront him about not going there, every single debate.
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the article states that the same happened when he was supposed to go to the border between NK and SK but couldn't due to the fog and his helicopter not being able to land.
With that I can def understand it.
But we're talking about France here... so yeah that's hilariously bad looking
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On November 11 2018 07:55 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2018 01:30 Mohdoo wrote:
I think/hope T_D is gonna end up deleted soon. The kind of anger they are stoking right now regarding the midterm voting is really scary to see. People are being actively radicalized on one of the biggest websites around. This is so sad to watch. Interesting how the left is currently going through a phase of increasing censorship of opinions they disagree with but they continue to call the other side authoritarian. Ban it and they’ll move enmasse to 4chan and 8chan.And they will become radicalised then because they have been deplatformed.
These are not "opinions we disagree with". They are straight up lies being spread like wildfire thanks to the platform. And they are spun in such a way as to enrage the Trump base. And you know what happens when they get riled up right? Shootings and bombings. I've been saying for months that this was going to happen after the election. And I predict it will get worse before it gets better.
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On November 11 2018 07:55 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2018 01:30 Mohdoo wrote:
I think/hope T_D is gonna end up deleted soon. The kind of anger they are stoking right now regarding the midterm voting is really scary to see. People are being actively radicalized on one of the biggest websites around. This is so sad to watch. Interesting how the left is currently going through a phase of increasing censorship of opinions they disagree with but they continue to call the other side authoritarian. Ban it and they’ll move enmasse to 4chan and 8chan.And they will become radicalised then because they have been deplatformed.
I never said Fox news should be censored. The_donald actively encourages a type of philosophy that inspires violence. Violence is the distinction.
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On November 11 2018 08:04 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +PARIS (Reuters) - President Donald Trump could not attend a commemoration in France for U.S. soldiers and marines killed during World War One on Saturday because rain made it impossible to arrange transport, the White House said.
[...]
The president was scheduled to pay tribute at a ceremony at the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery in Belleau, about 85 km (50 miles) east of Paris, with his wife Melania. But light steady rain and a low cloud ceiling prevented his helicopter from traveling to the site.
“(Their attendance) has been canceled due to scheduling and logistical difficulties caused by the weather,” the White House said in a statement, adding that a delegation lead by Chief of Staff John Kelly, a retired general, went instead.
[...]
Ben Rhodes, who served as deputy national security adviser for strategic communications under President Barack Obama, said the excuse about the inclement weather did not stand up.
“I helped plan all of President Obama’s trips for 8 years,” he wrote on Twitter. “There is always a rain option. Always.”
Despite the light rain, French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Angela Merkel held a moving ceremony in Compiegne, northeast of Paris, to mark the 100th anniversary of the signing of the World War One armistice. source: www.reuters.comif "plans to go out foiled by light rain" doesn't spell tough leader I don't know what else does. Is there a chance this is because of Macron's comment from yesterday and he's just mad?
This is really unbeleivable. As a guest in a foreign country, he has utterly no respect at all. It's literally less than an hours drive from the edge of Paris. Worst thing is, this is an American cemetery. The French has gone to the effort of honouring your dead, and yet you can't be bother to show up? Do they not have something analogous to Remembrance day in USA?
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On November 11 2018 09:44 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2018 08:04 Toadesstern wrote:PARIS (Reuters) - President Donald Trump could not attend a commemoration in France for U.S. soldiers and marines killed during World War One on Saturday because rain made it impossible to arrange transport, the White House said.
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The president was scheduled to pay tribute at a ceremony at the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery in Belleau, about 85 km (50 miles) east of Paris, with his wife Melania. But light steady rain and a low cloud ceiling prevented his helicopter from traveling to the site.
“(Their attendance) has been canceled due to scheduling and logistical difficulties caused by the weather,” the White House said in a statement, adding that a delegation lead by Chief of Staff John Kelly, a retired general, went instead.
[...]
Ben Rhodes, who served as deputy national security adviser for strategic communications under President Barack Obama, said the excuse about the inclement weather did not stand up.
“I helped plan all of President Obama’s trips for 8 years,” he wrote on Twitter. “There is always a rain option. Always.”
Despite the light rain, French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Angela Merkel held a moving ceremony in Compiegne, northeast of Paris, to mark the 100th anniversary of the signing of the World War One armistice. source: www.reuters.comif "plans to go out foiled by light rain" doesn't spell tough leader I don't know what else does. Is there a chance this is because of Macron's comment from yesterday and he's just mad? This is really unbeleivable. As a guest in a foreign country, he has utterly no respect at all. It's literally less than an hours drive from the edge of Paris. Worst thing is, this is an American cemetery. The French has gone to the effort of honouring your dead, and yet you can't be bother to show up? Do they not have something analogous to Remembrance day in USA?
Imagine the rights response if Obama did this lol.
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On November 11 2018 09:44 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2018 08:04 Toadesstern wrote:PARIS (Reuters) - President Donald Trump could not attend a commemoration in France for U.S. soldiers and marines killed during World War One on Saturday because rain made it impossible to arrange transport, the White House said.
[...]
The president was scheduled to pay tribute at a ceremony at the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery in Belleau, about 85 km (50 miles) east of Paris, with his wife Melania. But light steady rain and a low cloud ceiling prevented his helicopter from traveling to the site.
“(Their attendance) has been canceled due to scheduling and logistical difficulties caused by the weather,” the White House said in a statement, adding that a delegation lead by Chief of Staff John Kelly, a retired general, went instead.
[...]
Ben Rhodes, who served as deputy national security adviser for strategic communications under President Barack Obama, said the excuse about the inclement weather did not stand up.
“I helped plan all of President Obama’s trips for 8 years,” he wrote on Twitter. “There is always a rain option. Always.”
Despite the light rain, French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Angela Merkel held a moving ceremony in Compiegne, northeast of Paris, to mark the 100th anniversary of the signing of the World War One armistice. source: www.reuters.comif "plans to go out foiled by light rain" doesn't spell tough leader I don't know what else does. Is there a chance this is because of Macron's comment from yesterday and he's just mad? This is really unbeleivable. As a guest in a foreign country, he has utterly no respect at all. It's literally less than an hours drive from the edge of Paris. Worst thing is, this is an American cemetery. The French has gone to the effort of honouring your dead, and yet you can't be bother to show up? Do they not have something analogous to Remembrance day in USA?
Yeah but John Kelly knows how to work an umbrella if it comes to that. Whereas Trump famously doesn't.
![[image loading]](https://media.giphy.com/media/8qDgGmDKTNBBd6pxZD/giphy.gif)
Meanwhile Trudeau doesn't need an umbrella
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and shit like that is why Ivanka looks at Trudeau the way Trump wishes she looked at him
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On November 11 2018 01:30 Mohdoo wrote:
I think/hope T_D is gonna end up deleted soon. The kind of anger they are stoking right now regarding the midterm voting is really scary to see. People are being actively radicalized on one of the biggest websites around. This is so sad to watch.
Not going to happen. Reddit seems adamant on letting it stay until it's *directly* linked to people dying.
https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/11/13/16624688/reddit-bans-incels-the-donald-controversy
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On November 11 2018 09:18 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2018 07:55 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On November 11 2018 01:30 Mohdoo wrote:
I think/hope T_D is gonna end up deleted soon. The kind of anger they are stoking right now regarding the midterm voting is really scary to see. People are being actively radicalized on one of the biggest websites around. This is so sad to watch. Interesting how the left is currently going through a phase of increasing censorship of opinions they disagree with but they continue to call the other side authoritarian. Ban it and they’ll move enmasse to 4chan and 8chan.And they will become radicalised then because they have been deplatformed. I never said Fox news should be censored. The_donald actively encourages a type of philosophy that inspires violence. Violence is the distinction.
I'd argue that the mainstream media enrages people and encourages violence too. A crazy Bernie supporter shot Steve Scalise, though I don't recall any media outlets suggest he should be blamed for that (and he shouldn't be, of course). I'd think it's safe to say the media shares some blame in stoking the flames of radical people on both sides, but I think advocating for censorship leads to a slippery slope. Who is the arbiter of truth that gets to decide which platforms need to be censored?
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On November 11 2018 07:55 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2018 01:30 Mohdoo wrote:
I think/hope T_D is gonna end up deleted soon. The kind of anger they are stoking right now regarding the midterm voting is really scary to see. People are being actively radicalized on one of the biggest websites around. This is so sad to watch. Interesting how the left is currently going through a phase of increasing censorship of opinions they disagree with but they continue to call the other side authoritarian. Ban it and they’ll move enmasse to 4chan and 8chan.And they will become radicalised then because they have been deplatformed.
Because the other side openly approves of the actions of literal dictators and fascists, expresses open admiration for them, and sometimes openly states they wish they could do the same in the US. It's kind of a hint.
Just to make sure you're consistent, do you feel the same way about certain Muslim groups using platforms to radicalise people into becoming terrorists? Or do you think those places should be shut down wherever they are discovered?
On November 11 2018 19:10 kmillz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2018 09:18 Mohdoo wrote:On November 11 2018 07:55 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On November 11 2018 01:30 Mohdoo wrote:
I think/hope T_D is gonna end up deleted soon. The kind of anger they are stoking right now regarding the midterm voting is really scary to see. People are being actively radicalized on one of the biggest websites around. This is so sad to watch. Interesting how the left is currently going through a phase of increasing censorship of opinions they disagree with but they continue to call the other side authoritarian. Ban it and they’ll move enmasse to 4chan and 8chan.And they will become radicalised then because they have been deplatformed. I never said Fox news should be censored. The_donald actively encourages a type of philosophy that inspires violence. Violence is the distinction. I'd argue that the mainstream media enrages people and encourages violence too. A crazy Bernie supporter shot Steve Scalise, though I don't recall any media outlets suggest he should be blamed for that (and he shouldn't be, of course). I'd think it's safe to say the media shares some blame in stoking the flames of radical people on both sides, but I think advocating for censorship leads to a slippery slope. Who is the arbiter of truth that gets to decide which platforms need to be censored?
It really isn't as hard as Americans make it out to be. You hold public media companies - especially news ones - to certain journalistic standards and allow for serious redress if they're caught lying up to and including taking away their broadcast license (if you claim to be dealing in News you aren't allowed to lie about it; that isn't the same as having a certain political spin on interpretations of events, but spreading propoganda, outright misrepresentation and the like, are not permitted).
You pass and enforce laws that ban certain kinds of particularly virulent speech from those same media organisations, thus shutting down extreme opinion speakers like Hannity, that Jeanine person and Tucker Carlson, who spew 100% bullshit with the authority of the word 'NEWS' behind the network they do it from. This doesn't mean there are no places for them to go, but they shouldn't be allowed to do it under the banner of News.
I know that Americans will scream and cry reading this, but seriously, it has remarkably little effect save making a clear demarcation between the news (which should be its nature be a relatively boring, fact-focused affair) and firebrand opinion speakers who can happily communicate via youtube and other services, or if they're popular enough (like *guh* Piers Morgan) get their own TV shows dedicated to it.
The US mainstream media is a toxic sludge because it gloms both together. It's fucking absurd that Sean Hannity - who freely admits to be an opinions guy - is the one people go to for their news because he has Fox NEWS fully behind him. People are stupid. You need to put those clear lines of separation down and enforce them, or else people will make assumptions.
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On November 11 2018 19:10 kmillz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2018 09:18 Mohdoo wrote:On November 11 2018 07:55 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On November 11 2018 01:30 Mohdoo wrote:
I think/hope T_D is gonna end up deleted soon. The kind of anger they are stoking right now regarding the midterm voting is really scary to see. People are being actively radicalized on one of the biggest websites around. This is so sad to watch. Interesting how the left is currently going through a phase of increasing censorship of opinions they disagree with but they continue to call the other side authoritarian. Ban it and they’ll move enmasse to 4chan and 8chan.And they will become radicalised then because they have been deplatformed. I never said Fox news should be censored. The_donald actively encourages a type of philosophy that inspires violence. Violence is the distinction. I'd argue that the mainstream media enrages people and encourages violence too. A crazy Bernie supporter shot Steve Scalise, though I don't recall any media outlets suggest he should be blamed for that (and he shouldn't be, of course). I'd think it's safe to say the media shares some blame in stoking the flames of radical people on both sides, but I think advocating for censorship leads to a slippery slope. Who is the arbiter of truth that gets to decide which platforms need to be censored?
Both sides clearly aren't the same here.
Bernie didn't remotely come close to telling that dude to shoot up a congressional baseball game. The media (as in traditional sources via print and TV which you are referring to) didn't tell him to go murder some politicians. If anything the shooter's entire personal life (dying marriage, financially struggling and unemployed, history of domestic abuse, the current political situation) suggests this was practically a "suicide by cop" situation and really shouldn't be allowed to come close to touching a firearm in the first place.
Infowars and similar outlets are fundamentally different because they specifically target individuals. Sandy Hook victims and Comet Ping Pong aren't getting doxxed or shot up without Infowars suggesting that these specific entities are existential threats to America. Alex Jones can argue that he's just playing a character (like he argued in his divorce case) but not only is he being irresponsible about what messages he's giving to his audience, he isn't even telling his audience factual information. It doesn't take 10 minutes to figure out that Sandy Hook wasn't a Obama plot to ban the 2nd Amendment or Comet Ping Pong isn't running a Clinton-funded pedophilia ring in its non-existent basement.
In many cases, its up to social media websites to make sure their users aren't being irresponsible about how they use their power. Ricky Gervais and Noel Fielding are some good examples of popular comedians who have had in the past used their stupid fanbases to harass specific individuals that might have said something mean to them. Of course, they hide behind the "oh but I can't control what my fans do, he/she shouldn't have said anything in the first place" argument but it doesn't change the fact that they know what their fans can do and someone got doxxed in the process.
And in most cases, what they're doing is against the platform's terms of services. That isn't censorship, its actually enforcing rules so people actually have to think before they act unlike now where you can say whatever the hell you want with minimal repercussions if you bring in enough ad revenue.
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> Because the other side openly approves of the actions of literal dictators and fascists, expresses open admiration for them, and sometimes openly states they wish they could do the same in the US.
The same what? And can you please give some citations for these outlandish assertions. Also I like how you made the leap from "approving of an action taken by some dictator/fascist and admiring them" to Muslim groups literally manufacturing terrorists.
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On November 11 2018 19:58 kmillz wrote:
> Because the other side openly approves of the actions of literal dictators and fascists, expresses open admiration for them, and sometimes openly states they wish they could do the same in the US.
The same what? And can you please give some citations for these outlandish assertions. Also I like how you made the leap from "approving of an action taken by some dictator/fascist and admiring them" to Muslim groups literally manufacturing terrorists.
The two aren't the same, or the same point. One was a clear indicator of the leanings of the current administration and why it gets accused of the things it does, the other was just looking at finding some consistency (or not) of Nettles' position on censorship. Because most people who stridently object to any censorship of the insane shit right wing platforms allow simultaneously believe Muslims doing functionally the same thing shouldn't be allowed.
As for citations, do your own research. Trump has expressed support for almost every dictator in the world today and several times wondered at things like delaying/suspending elections, being President for life, and other such things he thinks are great.
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On November 11 2018 19:58 Womwomwom wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2018 19:10 kmillz wrote:On November 11 2018 09:18 Mohdoo wrote:On November 11 2018 07:55 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On November 11 2018 01:30 Mohdoo wrote:
I think/hope T_D is gonna end up deleted soon. The kind of anger they are stoking right now regarding the midterm voting is really scary to see. People are being actively radicalized on one of the biggest websites around. This is so sad to watch. Interesting how the left is currently going through a phase of increasing censorship of opinions they disagree with but they continue to call the other side authoritarian. Ban it and they’ll move enmasse to 4chan and 8chan.And they will become radicalised then because they have been deplatformed. I never said Fox news should be censored. The_donald actively encourages a type of philosophy that inspires violence. Violence is the distinction. I'd argue that the mainstream media enrages people and encourages violence too. A crazy Bernie supporter shot Steve Scalise, though I don't recall any media outlets suggest he should be blamed for that (and he shouldn't be, of course). I'd think it's safe to say the media shares some blame in stoking the flames of radical people on both sides, but I think advocating for censorship leads to a slippery slope. Who is the arbiter of truth that gets to decide which platforms need to be censored? Both sides clearly aren't the same here. Bernie didn't remotely come close to telling that dude to shoot up a congressional baseball game. The media (as in traditional sources via print and TV which you are referring to) didn't tell him to go murder some politicians. If anything the shooter's entire personal life (dying marriage, financially struggling and unemployed, history of domestic abuse, the current political situation) suggests this was practically a "suicide by cop" situation and really shouldn't be allowed to come close to touching a firearm in the first place. Infowars and similar outlets are fundamentally different because they specifically target individuals. Sandy Hook victims and Comet Ping Pong aren't getting doxxed or shot up without Infowars suggesting that these specific entities are existential threats to America. Alex Jones can argue that he's just playing a character (like he argued in his divorce case) but not only isn't be being responsible about what messages he's giving to his audience, he isn't even telling his audience factual information. It doesn't take 10 minutes to figure out that Sandy Hook wasn't a Obama plot to ban the 2nd Amendment or Comet Ping Pong isn't running a Clinton-funded pedophilia ring in its non-existent basement. In many cases, its up to social media websites to make sure their users aren't being irresponsible about how they use their power. Ricky Gervais and Noel Fielding are some good examples of popular comedians who have had in the past used their stupid fanbases to harass specific individuals that might have said something mean to them. Of course, they hide behind the "oh but I can't control what my fans do, he/she shouldn't have said anything in the first place" argument but it doesn't change the fact that you know what your fans can do and someone got doxxed in the process. And in most cases, what they're doing is against the platform's terms of services. That isn't censorship, its actually enforcing rules so people actually have to think before they act unlike now where you can say whatever the hell you want with minimal repercussions if you bring in enough ad revenue.
The media spreads so many lies, manufactures outrage and in some cases outright encourages groups like Antifa to be violent. You can say "they're not the same" all you want, it doesn't change the fact that there are indeed extremists on both sides. Ultimately, if we're talking about censorship there would have to be a deciding power in what should be censored. You seem to be advocating in giving that power TO the media platforms themselves. I disagree with this on so many levels. These companies have massive amounts of power. I think you might be interested in Jimmy Dore's take on this, and he's definitely not a right-wing guy:
(Sorry I suck at formatting, link right below)
www.youtube.com
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On November 11 2018 20:04 iamthedave wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2018 19:58 kmillz wrote:
> Because the other side openly approves of the actions of literal dictators and fascists, expresses open admiration for them, and sometimes openly states they wish they could do the same in the US.
The same what? And can you please give some citations for these outlandish assertions. Also I like how you made the leap from "approving of an action taken by some dictator/fascist and admiring them" to Muslim groups literally manufacturing terrorists. The two aren't the same, or the same point. One was a clear indicator of the leanings of the current administration and why it gets accused of the things it does, the other was just looking at finding some consistency (or not) of Nettles' position on censorship. Because most people who stridently object to any censorship of the insane shit right wing platforms allow simultaneously believe Muslims doing functionally the same thing shouldn't be allowed. As for citations, do your own research. Trump has expressed support for almost every dictator in the world today and several times wondered at things like delaying/suspending elections, being President for life, and other such things he thinks are great.
Lol ok well none of those things are found in "The Donald". So not sure where you want me to look.
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On November 11 2018 20:09 kmillz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2018 20:04 iamthedave wrote:On November 11 2018 19:58 kmillz wrote:
> Because the other side openly approves of the actions of literal dictators and fascists, expresses open admiration for them, and sometimes openly states they wish they could do the same in the US.
The same what? And can you please give some citations for these outlandish assertions. Also I like how you made the leap from "approving of an action taken by some dictator/fascist and admiring them" to Muslim groups literally manufacturing terrorists. The two aren't the same, or the same point. One was a clear indicator of the leanings of the current administration and why it gets accused of the things it does, the other was just looking at finding some consistency (or not) of Nettles' position on censorship. Because most people who stridently object to any censorship of the insane shit right wing platforms allow simultaneously believe Muslims doing functionally the same thing shouldn't be allowed. As for citations, do your own research. Trump has expressed support for almost every dictator in the world today and several times wondered at things like delaying/suspending elections, being President for life, and other such things he thinks are great. Lol ok well none of those things are found in "The Donald". So not sure where you want me to look.
It has been in the past. I don't browse that forum for relatively obvious reasons. This article is a relatively neutral account of some of Trump's positive statements towards some of the literal worst people in the world (i say some because there are definitely some on here worse than others)
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/03/trump-xi-jinping-dictators/554810/
Look at the statements, then the people, and more importantly the regimes being given tacit support in the process,
I'm not willing to browse T_D to cite my sources. That place is awful and I could be spending my time doing literally anything else (up to an including watching paint dry) and count myself as having spent my time better. Besides, it really is just random arseholes on the internet, so it doesn't matter that much. Why it's important is because bullshit from T_D is seeping into the mainstream and being reported as news.
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I mean, Republican Congressmen have cited Pizzagate and the Clinton-Seth Rich murder conspiracy to try and get elected/re-elected. Those conspiracy theories are practically as T_D as it gets.
Election fraud bullshit is also T_D grade bullshit. Which is exactly what numerous Republican politicians are straight up alleging when their races are getting tight or they lose. Not only is that behaviour ridiculously dangerous to American elections in general, it ignores a reality where ballots can take a stupid amount of time to count if the race is close.
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