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mozoku
United States708 Posts
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mozoku
United States708 Posts
On September 28 2018 12:11 Nebuchad wrote: I'll go further than Aquanim (unsurprisingly =) ), I hope the democrats did that, if they're finally fighting back that's awesome. The republicans can counter this cunning plan by not being the worst in the future, which would improve their chances of not losing a bunch of seats in a midterm election. This is exactly the reasoning that led the GOP to Trump. Lord please have mercy on my country or we're destined for Avenetti v Trump 2020. EDIT: Oh man I just noticed this was my 666th post. If that's not a sign we're doomed then I don't know what is. Talk about a spooky coincidence. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On September 28 2018 12:24 mozoku wrote: This is exactly the reasoning that led the GOP to Trump. Lord please have mercy on my country or we're destined for Avenetti v Trump 2020. People keep saying this, but I have a hard time with the idea that the Democrats doing things even remotely like Republicans causes them to just become worse and worse, and that it's therefore the Democrats' fault. Maybe they should take ownership of their brand of shit by now? | ||
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mozoku
United States708 Posts
Problems caused by the other side's misbehavior aren't fixed by responding with your own misbehavior. It just makes everything worse and you're still morally culpable for said misbehavior. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On September 28 2018 12:34 mozoku wrote:... Problems caused by the other side's misbehavior aren't fixed by responding with your own misbehavior. It just makes everything worse and you're still morally culpable for said misbehavior. What are they fixed by? | ||
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On September 28 2018 12:06 mozoku wrote: Right, just like there's no difference between a nuclear strike and a targeted drone strike. I mean, they're, like, both using explosives as weapons, right? The magnitude of the destruction is obviously beside the point. Hint: I wasn't making the argument on ethical grounds. "can't run a country like this" I see no reason why listening to women would lead to the political equivalent of nuclear obliteration. Oh right, cooties. How many civilizations throughout history have been brought to an end by listening to women talk? Did Rome fall because of cooties? Did the Turks breach the walls of Constantinople by firing cooties at point blank range? You have this weird, very hypothetical dystonia where listening to women leads to the end of democracy. If it was that easy, how the hell is Trump in office? | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12193 Posts
On September 28 2018 12:34 mozoku wrote: I opposed Republicans' extreme opposition tactics under Obama (though I wasn't posting then) and I oppose Democrats' extreme opposition tactics under Trump. It's certainly both sides fault. There's probably a fair argument that it's more the GOP's fault than the Democrats', but that's doesn't still doesn't excuse Nebuchad and his ilk for their own wrongs. Problems caused by the other side's misbehavior aren't fixed by responding with your own misbehavior. It just makes everything worse and you're still morally culpable for said misbehavior. I'm unclear on what my wrongs are. Is it combativity? Fighting with your opposition in politics isn't misbehavior, it's the logical thing to do. Politics is about winning. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On September 28 2018 12:34 mozoku wrote: I opposed Republicans' extreme opposition tactics under Obama (though I wasn't posting then) and I oppose Democrats' extreme opposition tactics under Trump. It's certainly both sides fault. There's probably a fair argument that it's more the GOP's fault than the Democrats', but that's doesn't still doesn't excuse Nebuchad and his ilk for their own wrongs. Problems caused by the other side's misbehavior aren't fixed by responding with your own misbehavior. It just makes everything worse and you're still morally culpable for said misbehavior. That points to a systemic problem in the government, where the Republicans started a tradition of exploiting rules where they didn't exist. The Democrats then have 2 options: continue having the "moral" high ground while they lose elections and political battles hand over fist, or fight back. If you say the system has problems and those should be fixed, I'm with you. But I'm not about to agree with the notion that the Republicans are the way they are solely because Democrats exist. As though they just can't control themselves. That speaks poorly of Republicans more than anything else. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
His inclusion on the court would heavily tarnish the integrity of the court itself. As for the Republican party, they already lost any kind of moral standing they had when they elected Trump; this just continues their shame further. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12193 Posts
On September 28 2018 12:44 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: I think the funniest and saddest moments, reading this thread, is that you all are still arguing. You know everyone's positions. There is no changing minds. Why fight it? Donald Glover. 2018. THIS. IS. AMERICA. We will die by the politicians we elect. How soon is of no concern. I'm still willing to discuss policies with anyone. Policies are important and I think it's important to discuss them and be generally open. Politics is a set subject though, there are correct and incorrect answers. I'm not going to sit there and pretend that the party that always tries to win became what it is today because the party that always tries to bend over and compromise was a little too mean to them that one time. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
8986 Posts
On September 28 2018 12:51 Nebuchad wrote: I'm still willing to discuss policies with anyone. Policies are important and I think it's important to discuss them and be generally open. Politics is a set subject though, there are correct and incorrect answers. I'm not going to sit there and pretend that the party that always tries to win became what it is today because the party that always tries to bend over and compromise was a little too mean to them that one time. Discussing policy is fine and well. But when you get this kind of circus, you are not going to get to the root of policy. You're going to get lines, trenches, and barriers built against you. And you're not going to get anywhere. So I ask those participating; why? What are you hoping to get from this? Are you just commentary? Are you hoping to convert Rs to Ds or Ds to Rs? | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
On September 28 2018 12:49 Stratos_speAr wrote: Anyone who still believes that Kavanaugh is worthy of being a Supreme Court justice at this point just doesn't have judgment that can be trusted. It's not that these allegations are right or wrong. The problem is that they are entirely credible; they absolutely could have happened, and not just because of the fact that they are 1) convincing and 2) there are several completely separate accusations against the same person. The bigger problem is that everything points to this man's character as being a self-entitled drunk throughout much of his life as well as an absolute partisan hack and a shitty judge. When you go on a 45 minute rant about Democratic conspiracies and start yelling like an unhinged lunatic, you are not fit to be a SC justice, period. You have absolutely no credibility concerning your ability to be impartial. His inclusion on the court would heavily tarnish the integrity of the court itself. As for the Republican party, they already lost any kind of moral standing they had when they elected Trump; this just continues their shame further. Unhinged lunatic? I wonder had he not come out ranting and angry as hell, would you applauding that or would you be saying he sounds guilty and complacent. If there’s one thing that this week has taught me, it’s that the left/right divide in this country continues to grow larger and larger. There is absolutely no middle ground anymore and it’s really starting to get scary. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4333 Posts
Might as well put the cops on notice for riots in LA,NYC,Chicago and other democrat run cities - Antifa and the paid mercenaries will be out in force once the vote locks him in. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On September 28 2018 13:09 LuckyFool wrote: Unhinged lunatic? I wonder had he not come out ranting and angry as hell, would you applauding that or would you be saying he sounds guilty and complacent. If there’s one thing that this week has taught me, it’s that the left/right divide in this country continues to grow larger and larger. There is absolutely no middle ground anymore and it’s really starting to get scary. Actually, and i think that's something thoroughly missing in the US, yeah. I personally think that people in the absolutely most influential and direction-calling positions, like presidents, surpreme court judges etc should absolutely be collected and not your drunk uncle hitting on your sister at your brothers wedding. That has nothing to do with left/right, that has to do with basic decency and character. Again, something that is very absent in US politics currently. That's the one thing this week/last year should've taught you. The president is a narcissistic dumbass, proud of grabbing women by the pussies, on top provable completely disconnected from reality (they laughed with him, really?) and less competent than half the people participating here, now you have a dude who's job will be to shape your country for as long as he can breathe, and of course nobody should care that he absolutely instantly jumps to conspiracy theories and made it clear that democrats are the enemy? I mean, i'm not entirely sure what to say. Yeah, he should've absolutely be calm and collected, because he has to judge shit. You know what clouds judgement? Yeah. He literally couldn't have done worse, at least for people with more than 6 active brain cells. edit: cute flamebait | ||
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On September 28 2018 13:18 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Well it’s been fun.Reminds me of the Jerry Springer show.Circus is over now though kids, time to confirm Kavanaugh. Might as well put the cops on notice for riots in LA,NYC,Chicago and other democrat run cities - Antifa and the paid mercenaries will be out in force once the vote locks him in. I will quote as my last post for a while, just in case riots start with his confirmation, all the while the democratic leadership lectures us for being "intolerant" and "not believen woman" (because not believing a baseless acussations from 35 years ago means you don't believe any woman). | ||
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On September 28 2018 13:22 m4ini wrote: Actually, and i think that's something thoroughly missing in the US, yeah. I personally think that people in the absolutely most influential and direction-calling positions, like presidents, surpreme court judges etc should absolutely be collected and not your drunk uncle hitting on your sister at your brothers wedding. That has nothing to do with left/right, that has to do with basic decency and character. Again, something that is very absent in US politics currently. That's the one thing this week/last year should've taught you. The president is a narcissistic dumbass, proud of grabbing women by the pussies, on top provable completely disconnected from reality (they laughed with him, really?) and less competent than half the people participating here, now you have a dude who's job will be to shape your country for as long as he can breathe, and of course nobody should care that he absolutely instantly jumps to conspiracy theories and made it clear that democrats are the enemy? I mean, i'm not entirely sure what to say. Yeah, he should've absolutely be calm and collected, because he has to judge shit. You know what clouds judgement? Yeah. He literally couldn't have done worse, at least for people with more than 6 active brain cells. edit: cute flamebait What have you accomplished to call the POTUS "incompetent"? Have you become a billonaire, tv star, published a book, or become POTUS in one of the biggest upsets in political history recently? Sorry couldn't avoid it, this is my last post for a few days arguing is tiring  | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On September 28 2018 11:49 Doodsmack wrote: Those are tangential and minor facts that just don't add up to much. Yes there are several allegations, but they're not all credible. The accusers are surrounded by Democratic operatives handling them, for one thing. There's just not enough evidence beyond the bare accusation. For example Kavanaugh's reluctance to call for an FBI investigation is just too far removed from the question of whether he was on top of Ford on the bed covering her mouth. Really? We shouldn't be alarmed that the person accused of these acts ABSOLUTELY REFUSED to say they should be further investigated? Like with Trump and Mueller, has anyone in the history of the world been so against an investigation which would prove their innocence? There are a number of facts which could be easily proven one way or the other with minimal effort from the FBI. This should raise an eyebrow for any impartial observer. Ultimately, nobody is saying that anything said today proves Kavanaugh should be impeached or jailed. However, the fact that these women came forward with so little evidence is irrelevant because the accusers are open to an investigation. Its does not matter that they cant 100% corrborate their story when they are willing to to jail or lose their jobs over these claims which dont personally benefit them. In a reasonable society, reasonable people would say that is sufficient to slow down this entitlement train and actually look into things further. However the unreasonable people in power believe that because the timing was political that necessarily the claims are false. Anybody who believes that is a bad person and should feel bad. If you, or anybody else, approves of voting before we know the truth then I submit that that is a much more scary world then the one Graham ranted about. I'd much rather live in a world where good men have to put their nominations on hold while their innocence is proven than one where bad men are rushed through for political expediency. Especially when a lifetime tenure is on the line. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On September 28 2018 13:30 GoTuNk! wrote: What have you accomplished to call the POTUS "incompetent"? Have you become a billonaire, tv star, published a book, or become POTUS in one of the biggest upsets in political history recently? Sorry couldn't avoid it, this is my last post for a few days arguing is tiring What have you accomplished to call him out for his accomplishments? I can tell you he has accomplished getting the respect of more people than trump has, by not living in an alternate reality. What have you accomplished other than deny a provably true reality? | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On September 28 2018 13:30 GoTuNk! wrote: What have you accomplished to call the POTUS "incompetent"? Have you become a billonaire, tv star, published a book, or become POTUS in one of the biggest upsets in political history recently? Sorry couldn't avoid it, this is my last post for a few days arguing is tiring What have you done that you can call the POTUS competent? Bankrupt a casino? This stupid argument can always be avoided. Take a break. | ||
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