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Mark Judge doesn't really sound like the brightest dude ever.
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On September 27 2018 03:24 chocorush wrote:
I mean, to be fair, what's the point of making up a fake alias if you're going to make it so similar to the person you are referring to? You have to be a real idiot to think that would work.
The person who wrote a book called "Wasted" and chronicled such great moments in personal history like:
He wrote about being concerned, after blacking out following a drinking binge with a woman at a bar, that he might have murdered her in his inebriated state.
(from same article)
I don't think using bad pseudonyms is that much of a stretch.
In terms of Kav, don't forget this is only one of the unsavory characters in his life. Don't forget about Kozinski: https://theintercept.com/2018/09/25/brett-kavanaugh-alex-kozinski-chris-coons/
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There is only one Brent and he knows dogs are good.
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I still am not entirely sure how "republicans" here can simply straight faced say that these women are planted assassins by democrats, trying to complete their immoral "hit" on Kavanaugh.
Not understanding that these women also have something to lose. I'd like Danglars etc to explicitly and unmistakably make clear that they are convinced that these three women are liars. And why it isn't possible to investigate the claims properly, but have to be ignored so he can be confirmed. Why beat around the bush? It's obnoxiously evident that you do, and i understand that beating around the bush and trying to point at hillary (or something another democrat did at some point in the US history) is the common defense, but let it hear clear and proud. Be a "man" and make clear that these women are lying. Because there's no "grey". Either you think it should be investigated, or you think it shouldn't be investigated - the latter being equal to calling them liars, so just do it directly. In regards to "it's so long ago, who gives a shit" - might want to call 999-JAILBEHERE and ask for Bill Cosby.
Sidenote, i loved reading that "conservative" ranting about UK free speech laws, when 99% of republicans were moronically screeching for jail sentences for people who burned the US flag. Including every single one here.
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On September 27 2018 03:29 JimmiC wrote:
I think if the Dems want to destroy him they just need him on the stand, he seems like the type that would incriminate while trying to help.
Why do you think the Republicans are refusing to subpoena him? The guy told his girlfriend that he ran trains on drunk girls but it was ok because they were consensual. I imagine he'd say something similar about Kavanaugh and think he was helping. That or something equally stupid like Kavanagh technically was a virgin because he only did anal (like he talked about in his yearbook), etc.
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On September 27 2018 03:37 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2018 03:32 m4ini wrote:
I still am not entirely sure how "republicans" here can simply straight faced say that these women are planted assassins by democrats, trying to complete their immoral "hit" on Kavanaugh.
Not understanding that these women also have something to lose. I'd like Danglars etc to explicitly and unmistakably make clear that they are convinced that these three women are liars. And why it isn't possible to investigate the claims properly, but have to be ignored so he can be confirmed. Why beat around the bush? It's obnoxiously evident that you do, and i understand that beating around the bush and trying to point at hillary (or something another democrat did at some point in the US history) is the common defense, but let it hear clear and proud. Be a "man" and make clear that these women are lying. Because there's no "grey". Either you think it should be investigated, or you think it shouldn't be investigated - the latter being equal to calling them liars, so just do it directly. In regards to "it's so long ago, who gives a shit" - might want to call 999-JAILBEHERE and ask for Bill Cosby.
Sidenote, i loved reading that "conservative" ranting about UK free speech laws, when 99% of republicans were moronically screeching for jail sentences for people who burned the US flag. Including every single one here. No to mention they are CURRENTLY up in arms about football players not standing for the anthem. Free speech to many means my speech should be free, others with dissenting opinions need to shut up. I'm down with free speech, but I do think that hate speech should be restricted.
On top of that Free Speech seems to start and end with being allowed to say offensive stuff and doesn't at all seem to extend to issues around libel, patents, copyright, trademarks, NDAs, or any of a whole range of issues around speech.
Just for example the independent running against Warren (and way behind in polls) sued a tech blog for libel and lost because the tech blog was just doing accurate reporting. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/09/judge-dismisses-libel-lawsuit-filed-by-self-proclaimed-e-mail-inventor/
I mean that guy is literally drawing a line between speech and false speech in the linked article (via attorney) while running on a free speech platform.
[edit] also forgot about Jordan Peterson suing for defamation while also going on about free speech
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On September 27 2018 03:37 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2018 03:32 m4ini wrote:
I still am not entirely sure how "republicans" here can simply straight faced say that these women are planted assassins by democrats, trying to complete their immoral "hit" on Kavanaugh.
Not understanding that these women also have something to lose. I'd like Danglars etc to explicitly and unmistakably make clear that they are convinced that these three women are liars. And why it isn't possible to investigate the claims properly, but have to be ignored so he can be confirmed. Why beat around the bush? It's obnoxiously evident that you do, and i understand that beating around the bush and trying to point at hillary (or something another democrat did at some point in the US history) is the common defense, but let it hear clear and proud. Be a "man" and make clear that these women are lying. Because there's no "grey". Either you think it should be investigated, or you think it shouldn't be investigated - the latter being equal to calling them liars, so just do it directly. In regards to "it's so long ago, who gives a shit" - might want to call 999-JAILBEHERE and ask for Bill Cosby.
Sidenote, i loved reading that "conservative" ranting about UK free speech laws, when 99% of republicans were moronically screeching for jail sentences for people who burned the US flag. Including every single one here. No to mention they are CURRENTLY up in arms about football players not standing for the anthem. Free speech to many means my speech should be free, others with dissenting opinions need to shut up. I'm down with free speech, but I do think that hate speech should be restricted.
It being free speech while being an employee at a company doesn't give you protection for said free speech. That company can decide to not support your views but that doesn't mean that people are against your right to speech.
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On September 27 2018 02:38 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2018 02:33 pmh wrote:
Trade war anyone? lol.
I see there is little interest in discussing it and I can understand it a bit with kavanaugh now in the news.
But the trade war is very important for how the world will develop in this century. It is the prelude of the American/Chinese showdown that is expected to take place in one form or another when china,s economic power becomes larger then the economic power of the usa. I will keep bringing it up now and then,maybe next time is a better moment. The problem with the trade war is that there is really nothing to discuss politically. The Republican congress has no plans to strip the president of his powers to set tariffs at a whim and only the elections will change the current stance. The trade war is also a long term battle that won’t hit the general public until maybe next year. But companies like Walmart are saying it will be bad for prices. But until we start getting hit with an extra $250 in tariff tax on a $1000 iphone, the country isn’t going to pay that much attention. After all, there isn’t a lot of context for what a trade war feels like for the modern American.
Something more important happened today that the consumer will feel: interest rates went up again today. Fed chair mentioned 1 more rate hike this year and 3 next year. Trump will not be pleased
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On September 27 2018 03:58 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2018 03:37 JimmiC wrote:On September 27 2018 03:32 m4ini wrote:
I still am not entirely sure how "republicans" here can simply straight faced say that these women are planted assassins by democrats, trying to complete their immoral "hit" on Kavanaugh.
Not understanding that these women also have something to lose. I'd like Danglars etc to explicitly and unmistakably make clear that they are convinced that these three women are liars. And why it isn't possible to investigate the claims properly, but have to be ignored so he can be confirmed. Why beat around the bush? It's obnoxiously evident that you do, and i understand that beating around the bush and trying to point at hillary (or something another democrat did at some point in the US history) is the common defense, but let it hear clear and proud. Be a "man" and make clear that these women are lying. Because there's no "grey". Either you think it should be investigated, or you think it shouldn't be investigated - the latter being equal to calling them liars, so just do it directly. In regards to "it's so long ago, who gives a shit" - might want to call 999-JAILBEHERE and ask for Bill Cosby.
Sidenote, i loved reading that "conservative" ranting about UK free speech laws, when 99% of republicans were moronically screeching for jail sentences for people who burned the US flag. Including every single one here. No to mention they are CURRENTLY up in arms about football players not standing for the anthem. Free speech to many means my speech should be free, others with dissenting opinions need to shut up. I'm down with free speech, but I do think that hate speech should be restricted. It being free speech while being an employee at a company doesn't give you protection for said free speech. That company can decide to not support your views but that doesn't mean that people are against your right to speech.
A league that gets paid a lot of money by the US Army for propaganda, I mean recruitment marketing. Like so much money it’s the reason all the players are on the field when the anthem is sung. The people objecting to the players kneeling are form the armed services that happens to also be dumping money into the league making the rules that the players cannot protest. I have a hard time viewing the NFL as your average company.
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On September 27 2018 04:09 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2018 03:58 Sermokala wrote:On September 27 2018 03:37 JimmiC wrote:On September 27 2018 03:32 m4ini wrote:
I still am not entirely sure how "republicans" here can simply straight faced say that these women are planted assassins by democrats, trying to complete their immoral "hit" on Kavanaugh.
Not understanding that these women also have something to lose. I'd like Danglars etc to explicitly and unmistakably make clear that they are convinced that these three women are liars. And why it isn't possible to investigate the claims properly, but have to be ignored so he can be confirmed. Why beat around the bush? It's obnoxiously evident that you do, and i understand that beating around the bush and trying to point at hillary (or something another democrat did at some point in the US history) is the common defense, but let it hear clear and proud. Be a "man" and make clear that these women are lying. Because there's no "grey". Either you think it should be investigated, or you think it shouldn't be investigated - the latter being equal to calling them liars, so just do it directly. In regards to "it's so long ago, who gives a shit" - might want to call 999-JAILBEHERE and ask for Bill Cosby.
Sidenote, i loved reading that "conservative" ranting about UK free speech laws, when 99% of republicans were moronically screeching for jail sentences for people who burned the US flag. Including every single one here. No to mention they are CURRENTLY up in arms about football players not standing for the anthem. Free speech to many means my speech should be free, others with dissenting opinions need to shut up. I'm down with free speech, but I do think that hate speech should be restricted. It being free speech while being an employee at a company doesn't give you protection for said free speech. That company can decide to not support your views but that doesn't mean that people are against your right to speech. A league that gets paid a lot of money by the US Army for propaganda, I mean recruitment marketing. Like so much money it’s the reason all the players are on the field when the anthem is sung. The people objecting to the players kneeling are form the armed services that happens to also be dumping money into the league making the rules that the players cannot protest. I have a hard time viewing the NFL as your average company.
So where a company gets its money from has an influence on its actions. This is different from an average company I guess.
The NFL isn't your average company but its acting in this case the same as every other one.
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On September 27 2018 04:09 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2018 03:58 Sermokala wrote:On September 27 2018 03:37 JimmiC wrote:On September 27 2018 03:32 m4ini wrote:
I still am not entirely sure how "republicans" here can simply straight faced say that these women are planted assassins by democrats, trying to complete their immoral "hit" on Kavanaugh.
Not understanding that these women also have something to lose. I'd like Danglars etc to explicitly and unmistakably make clear that they are convinced that these three women are liars. And why it isn't possible to investigate the claims properly, but have to be ignored so he can be confirmed. Why beat around the bush? It's obnoxiously evident that you do, and i understand that beating around the bush and trying to point at hillary (or something another democrat did at some point in the US history) is the common defense, but let it hear clear and proud. Be a "man" and make clear that these women are lying. Because there's no "grey". Either you think it should be investigated, or you think it shouldn't be investigated - the latter being equal to calling them liars, so just do it directly. In regards to "it's so long ago, who gives a shit" - might want to call 999-JAILBEHERE and ask for Bill Cosby.
Sidenote, i loved reading that "conservative" ranting about UK free speech laws, when 99% of republicans were moronically screeching for jail sentences for people who burned the US flag. Including every single one here. No to mention they are CURRENTLY up in arms about football players not standing for the anthem. Free speech to many means my speech should be free, others with dissenting opinions need to shut up. I'm down with free speech, but I do think that hate speech should be restricted. It being free speech while being an employee at a company doesn't give you protection for said free speech. That company can decide to not support your views but that doesn't mean that people are against your right to speech. A league that gets paid a lot of money by the US Army for propaganda, I mean recruitment marketing. Like so much money it’s the reason all the players are on the field when the anthem is sung. The people objecting to the players kneeling are form the armed services that happens to also be dumping money into the league making the rules that the players cannot protest. I have a hard time viewing the NFL as your average company.
It is an interresting case when the army sponsorship is brought into account. It is also good to note that the protest was mainly against the police, not the army. Then the rightwing spun that it was a protest against the flag and anthem itself somehow, completely surpassing the core issue they wanted to adress: a violent and discriminating police force.
Would during a paid public event by a sponsor of my employer? Probably not... but I respect his actions, and wish Kaep's agenda could come back into media focus.
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I think the NFL has the right to bow to the interests of its customers but I also think it’s wrong to do so, and that people will judge it poorly for doing so.
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One of the key aspects of the kneeling players and the NFL is that the President also demanded that the players stand or be fired. Once that happened, we moved well beyond what is normal for any company. Trump is the State and the State demanded that players take part in a pledge of allegiance to this country against their express will to protest actions by some police, who are also agents of the state. There was a day when large number of Republicans would have flipped their shit if any President did that. Those days are gone.
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On September 27 2018 04:29 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2018 03:58 Sermokala wrote:On September 27 2018 03:37 JimmiC wrote:On September 27 2018 03:32 m4ini wrote:
I still am not entirely sure how "republicans" here can simply straight faced say that these women are planted assassins by democrats, trying to complete their immoral "hit" on Kavanaugh.
Not understanding that these women also have something to lose. I'd like Danglars etc to explicitly and unmistakably make clear that they are convinced that these three women are liars. And why it isn't possible to investigate the claims properly, but have to be ignored so he can be confirmed. Why beat around the bush? It's obnoxiously evident that you do, and i understand that beating around the bush and trying to point at hillary (or something another democrat did at some point in the US history) is the common defense, but let it hear clear and proud. Be a "man" and make clear that these women are lying. Because there's no "grey". Either you think it should be investigated, or you think it shouldn't be investigated - the latter being equal to calling them liars, so just do it directly. In regards to "it's so long ago, who gives a shit" - might want to call 999-JAILBEHERE and ask for Bill Cosby.
Sidenote, i loved reading that "conservative" ranting about UK free speech laws, when 99% of republicans were moronically screeching for jail sentences for people who burned the US flag. Including every single one here. No to mention they are CURRENTLY up in arms about football players not standing for the anthem. Free speech to many means my speech should be free, others with dissenting opinions need to shut up. I'm down with free speech, but I do think that hate speech should be restricted. It being free speech while being an employee at a company doesn't give you protection for said free speech. That company can decide to not support your views but that doesn't mean that people are against your right to speech. My point was that the same people calling down the UK were the same people supporting the NFL in banning kneeling. In fact they were asking for it. They are also the same people that chased Howard Stern off terrestrial radio for saying awful words that may pollute the minds of the youths such as penis. Or talking about lesbians. The hypocrisy of American politics is at a all time high. And everyone is ready to die on whatever hill the current event is and what there side wants. Some of this shit shouldn't be about red or blue it should be about whats right.
And my point was that nothing you said about the NFL kneeling situation was about free speech. The president demanded something and the NFL didn't give it to them. At most they'd get "fined" if they kneeled. Howard Stern was a shock jock that took it to the next level and thats how he made his money. People weren't happy with that so they complained to the company . None of these things involved the government punishing people for their speech. Its the same as the google employee who complained that the company was hireing less qualified women and minority candidates in order to achive a more diversified workforce. He wasn't fired for his free speech the same as howard stern wasn't fired for free speech the same as people didn't hire kapernick (also because kap wans't good enough for the money and voided the last year of his contract in evidence).
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On September 27 2018 04:29 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2018 03:58 Sermokala wrote:On September 27 2018 03:37 JimmiC wrote:On September 27 2018 03:32 m4ini wrote:
I still am not entirely sure how "republicans" here can simply straight faced say that these women are planted assassins by democrats, trying to complete their immoral "hit" on Kavanaugh.
Not understanding that these women also have something to lose. I'd like Danglars etc to explicitly and unmistakably make clear that they are convinced that these three women are liars. And why it isn't possible to investigate the claims properly, but have to be ignored so he can be confirmed. Why beat around the bush? It's obnoxiously evident that you do, and i understand that beating around the bush and trying to point at hillary (or something another democrat did at some point in the US history) is the common defense, but let it hear clear and proud. Be a "man" and make clear that these women are lying. Because there's no "grey". Either you think it should be investigated, or you think it shouldn't be investigated - the latter being equal to calling them liars, so just do it directly. In regards to "it's so long ago, who gives a shit" - might want to call 999-JAILBEHERE and ask for Bill Cosby.
Sidenote, i loved reading that "conservative" ranting about UK free speech laws, when 99% of republicans were moronically screeching for jail sentences for people who burned the US flag. Including every single one here. No to mention they are CURRENTLY up in arms about football players not standing for the anthem. Free speech to many means my speech should be free, others with dissenting opinions need to shut up. I'm down with free speech, but I do think that hate speech should be restricted. It being free speech while being an employee at a company doesn't give you protection for said free speech. That company can decide to not support your views but that doesn't mean that people are against your right to speech. My point was that the same people calling down the UK were the same people supporting the NFL in banning kneeling. In fact they were asking for it. They are also the same people that chased Howard Stern off terrestrial radio for saying awful words that may pollute the minds of the youths such as penis. Or talking about lesbians. The hypocrisy of American politics is at a all time high. And everyone is ready to die on whatever hill the current event is and what there side wants. Some of this shit shouldn't be about red or blue it should be about whats right.
I would like to enlighten you with a case called:
Jerry Springer: The Opera
This was a comedy made by leftist British comedian Stewart Lee. It included alot of profanity, i think it might have had a naked Jesus in it at one point.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Springer:_The_Opera#Protests_and_controversy
In January 2007 Christian Voice, represented by Stephen Green, attempted to prosecute BBC director-general Mark Thompson for blasphemy over the show. A summons was refused due to lack of prima facie evidence that a crime had been committed, and a provision of the 1968 Theatres Act which enshrines the right of free expression in theatrical works.[23] An appeal to the High Court was dismissed on 5 December 2007, with the decision of the lower court upheld on all counts and ruling that it was reasonable to conclude that the play "in context" could not be considered as blasphemous
Its very interesting that the right wing reaction to this controversy wasn't to label the UK an authoritarian government who don't care about our free speech, or to chastise these groups for their anti free speech stance, but to support the crazy Christian nutters who were filing for blasphemy charges against the lefty.
Free speech is a means to achieve a fair society that deserves genuine, nuanced discussion not an ideal that we should worship or even an end in of itself.
Unfortunately, like everything else, in the vast majority of cases it ends up being used as a trojan horse for partisan warfare.
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On September 27 2018 04:38 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2018 04:29 JimmiC wrote:On September 27 2018 03:58 Sermokala wrote:On September 27 2018 03:37 JimmiC wrote:On September 27 2018 03:32 m4ini wrote:
I still am not entirely sure how "republicans" here can simply straight faced say that these women are planted assassins by democrats, trying to complete their immoral "hit" on Kavanaugh.
Not understanding that these women also have something to lose. I'd like Danglars etc to explicitly and unmistakably make clear that they are convinced that these three women are liars. And why it isn't possible to investigate the claims properly, but have to be ignored so he can be confirmed. Why beat around the bush? It's obnoxiously evident that you do, and i understand that beating around the bush and trying to point at hillary (or something another democrat did at some point in the US history) is the common defense, but let it hear clear and proud. Be a "man" and make clear that these women are lying. Because there's no "grey". Either you think it should be investigated, or you think it shouldn't be investigated - the latter being equal to calling them liars, so just do it directly. In regards to "it's so long ago, who gives a shit" - might want to call 999-JAILBEHERE and ask for Bill Cosby.
Sidenote, i loved reading that "conservative" ranting about UK free speech laws, when 99% of republicans were moronically screeching for jail sentences for people who burned the US flag. Including every single one here. No to mention they are CURRENTLY up in arms about football players not standing for the anthem. Free speech to many means my speech should be free, others with dissenting opinions need to shut up. I'm down with free speech, but I do think that hate speech should be restricted. It being free speech while being an employee at a company doesn't give you protection for said free speech. That company can decide to not support your views but that doesn't mean that people are against your right to speech. My point was that the same people calling down the UK were the same people supporting the NFL in banning kneeling. In fact they were asking for it. They are also the same people that chased Howard Stern off terrestrial radio for saying awful words that may pollute the minds of the youths such as penis. Or talking about lesbians. The hypocrisy of American politics is at a all time high. And everyone is ready to die on whatever hill the current event is and what there side wants. Some of this shit shouldn't be about red or blue it should be about whats right. And my point was that nothing you said about the NFL kneeling situation was about free speech. The president demanded something and the NFL didn't give it to them. At most they'd get "fined" if they kneeled. Howard Stern was a shock jock that took it to the next level and thats how he made his money. People weren't happy with that so they complained to the company . None of these things involved the government punishing people for their speech. Its the same as the google employee who complained that the company was hireing less qualified women and minority candidates in order to achive a more diversified workforce. He wasn't fired for his free speech the same as howard stern wasn't fired for free speech the same as people didn't hire kapernick (also because kap wans't good enough for the money and voided the last year of his contract in evidence).
If they take that action because the of the President’s calls for them to punish the players, it has a lot to do with free speech. Double that when the NFL gets so much money from the armed services and markets to armed service members.
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On September 27 2018 04:47 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2018 04:38 Sermokala wrote:On September 27 2018 04:29 JimmiC wrote:On September 27 2018 03:58 Sermokala wrote:On September 27 2018 03:37 JimmiC wrote:On September 27 2018 03:32 m4ini wrote:
I still am not entirely sure how "republicans" here can simply straight faced say that these women are planted assassins by democrats, trying to complete their immoral "hit" on Kavanaugh.
Not understanding that these women also have something to lose. I'd like Danglars etc to explicitly and unmistakably make clear that they are convinced that these three women are liars. And why it isn't possible to investigate the claims properly, but have to be ignored so he can be confirmed. Why beat around the bush? It's obnoxiously evident that you do, and i understand that beating around the bush and trying to point at hillary (or something another democrat did at some point in the US history) is the common defense, but let it hear clear and proud. Be a "man" and make clear that these women are lying. Because there's no "grey". Either you think it should be investigated, or you think it shouldn't be investigated - the latter being equal to calling them liars, so just do it directly. In regards to "it's so long ago, who gives a shit" - might want to call 999-JAILBEHERE and ask for Bill Cosby.
Sidenote, i loved reading that "conservative" ranting about UK free speech laws, when 99% of republicans were moronically screeching for jail sentences for people who burned the US flag. Including every single one here. No to mention they are CURRENTLY up in arms about football players not standing for the anthem. Free speech to many means my speech should be free, others with dissenting opinions need to shut up. I'm down with free speech, but I do think that hate speech should be restricted. It being free speech while being an employee at a company doesn't give you protection for said free speech. That company can decide to not support your views but that doesn't mean that people are against your right to speech. My point was that the same people calling down the UK were the same people supporting the NFL in banning kneeling. In fact they were asking for it. They are also the same people that chased Howard Stern off terrestrial radio for saying awful words that may pollute the minds of the youths such as penis. Or talking about lesbians. The hypocrisy of American politics is at a all time high. And everyone is ready to die on whatever hill the current event is and what there side wants. Some of this shit shouldn't be about red or blue it should be about whats right. And my point was that nothing you said about the NFL kneeling situation was about free speech. The president demanded something and the NFL didn't give it to them. At most they'd get "fined" if they kneeled. Howard Stern was a shock jock that took it to the next level and thats how he made his money. People weren't happy with that so they complained to the company . None of these things involved the government punishing people for their speech. Its the same as the google employee who complained that the company was hireing less qualified women and minority candidates in order to achive a more diversified workforce. He wasn't fired for his free speech the same as howard stern wasn't fired for free speech the same as people didn't hire kapernick (also because kap wans't good enough for the money and voided the last year of his contract in evidence). If they take that action because the of the President’s calls for them to punish the players, it has a lot to do with free speech. Double that when the NFL gets so much money from the armed services and markets to armed service members.
Yes If they took the action the president called for them to do then it would encroch into free speech. But they didn't fire anyone or disqualify anyone from playing so they didn't. They even added in a new rule into the game so that people would stop talking about it and to make them the bad guy for protecting players.
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