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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-03 03:10:57
April 03 2018 02:56 GMT
#1321
On April 03 2018 11:32 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2018 11:02 Plansix wrote:
On April 03 2018 10:56 ticklishmusic wrote:
Plus, that's what reviews are for. Beyond that, I recommend using WikiBuy or a similar widget to find the best prices on stuff.

I trust user reviews about as much as I trust random posts on reddit. I'll go buy something in person if I'm concerned it will break or might be cheap.


Amazon quality on a lot of things completely sucks. Plansix is right about this. Amazon is great when you know the exact item you want, but if you are just looking for something to fit a particular need, the chances that you are going to land on a flimsy, cheap product are very high, unless there are reputable brands in that niche that you know deliver quality.

But that's a thing with almost everything. Some people care about certain things being high quality while other things just need to be as cheap as possible for them.
What those specific items are is subjective.

I'm pretty sure you would not want to buy wine at a supermarket, pretty much ever and yet I as well as tons of other people do so because we're not thaaaaat much into wine to tell the difference. And frankly most just don't care enough to extend your shopping trip for another 30minutes just to get proper wine.
It's literally the same with almost anything else you can think of. Some people go to a store to see which mouse fits their hand the best because it's important to them. Others just pick a cheap 5$ one because whatever

And like you said, if you know what you want you're most likely going to get it on amazon as well for most everyday kind of things.

///edit
Another example, imagine steam being broken apart into 4 different companies (idk, by genre?). People wouldn't like that either because the big selling point is that it is
a)convenient and
b)you can get everything there

If you suddenly have to check out 4 different platforms to find that game you're looking for it would certainly be less popular. People just like getting stuff at one place and amazon is for random whatever stuff. It's not like you buy furniture or a car on there. But at the end of the day what exactly entails "random whatever stuff" is really a subjective thing
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42689 Posts
April 03 2018 03:05 GMT
#1322
Snowden didn’t run to Russia, the US gov blocked his flight out of a Russian airport. Fortunately he had the good sense not to have any intel in his possession at that point.
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IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-03 03:28:44
April 03 2018 03:28 GMT
#1323
On April 03 2018 11:56 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2018 11:32 IgnE wrote:
On April 03 2018 11:02 Plansix wrote:
On April 03 2018 10:56 ticklishmusic wrote:
Plus, that's what reviews are for. Beyond that, I recommend using WikiBuy or a similar widget to find the best prices on stuff.

I trust user reviews about as much as I trust random posts on reddit. I'll go buy something in person if I'm concerned it will break or might be cheap.


Amazon quality on a lot of things completely sucks. Plansix is right about this. Amazon is great when you know the exact item you want, but if you are just looking for something to fit a particular need, the chances that you are going to land on a flimsy, cheap product are very high, unless there are reputable brands in that niche that you know deliver quality.

But that's a thing with almost everything. Some people care about certain things being high quality while other things just need to be as cheap as possible for them.
What those specific items are is subjective.

I'm pretty sure you would not want to buy wine at a supermarket, pretty much ever and yet I as well as tons of other people do so because we're not thaaaaat much into wine to tell the difference. And frankly most just don't care enough to extend your shopping trip for another 30minutes just to get proper wine.
It's literally the same with almost anything else you can think of. Some people go to a store to see which mouse fits their hand the best because it's important to them. Others just pick a cheap 5$ one because whatever

And like you said, if you know what you want you're most likely going to get it on amazon as well for most everyday kind of things.

///edit
Another example, imagine steam being broken apart into 4 different companies (idk, by genre?). People wouldn't like that either because the big selling point is that it is
a)convenient and
b)you can get everything there

If you suddenly have to check out 4 different platforms to find that game you're looking for it would certainly be less popular. People just like getting stuff at one place and amazon is for random whatever stuff. It's not like you buy furniture or a car on there. But at the end of the day what exactly entails "random whatever stuff" is really a subjective thing


It's not the same though with everything. This isn't just a matter of taste. If I'm buying bedsheets or a shirt or a shovel or anything made of actual materials wherein the brand doesn't really matter that much to me, Amazon is almost guaranteed to fuck me over. And I guarantee you can go to any discount Marshalls/Ross/whatever retail store and find quality materials at around the same price point. Amazon sellers take advantage of the fact that people can't see or feel the materials they are buying.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15689 Posts
April 03 2018 03:32 GMT
#1324
On April 03 2018 12:05 KwarK wrote:
Snowden didn’t run to Russia, the US gov blocked his flight out of a Russian airport. Fortunately he had the good sense not to have any intel in his possession at that point.

Whi are you addressing? We've been off the Snowden subject for a while lol
Kyadytim
Profile Joined March 2009
United States886 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-03 03:38:53
April 03 2018 03:37 GMT
#1325
Seeing as we're back on Snowden, people were talking about how he grabbed basically everything using a scraper.

I'd like to point out that over the... what was it, eight months or something? Anyway, over that period of time, he still had to do his normal job, and using an automated process to grab everything and leave it for journalists to sort out makes a lot more sense than trying to filter everything on his own in the evenings.

Also, building on what Kwark just said, there were not a lot of countries willing to offer him asylum. Iirc, for a while it looked like he might not get asylum in Russia and would be extradited back to the US, where he would face what could be generously described as a show trial. I'm not going to rehash the history of people who tried to go through normal channels getting their lives destroyed, but considering that's what happened to them, Snowden would be lucky to see life in prison without parole. Also possible would be somehow ending up at Guantanamo or a similar site or directly being executed.

In Snowden's shoes, I would not even consider returning to the US without having already been issued a more or less blanket pardon, because the government can make all sorts of promises about a fair trial to get him into the US where they can make an example of him.

tl;dr If you start with the assumption that Snowden was an otherwise law abiding citizen who made the decision to blow the whistle on the NSA, everything he did between that moment and ending up with asylum in Russia makes sense.

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On April 03 2018 12:32 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2018 12:05 KwarK wrote:
Snowden didn’t run to Russia, the US gov blocked his flight out of a Russian airport. Fortunately he had the good sense not to have any intel in his possession at that point.

Whi are you addressing? We've been off the Snowden subject for a while lol
.___. Sorry

Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9118 Posts
April 03 2018 04:52 GMT
#1326
On April 03 2018 11:34 GreenHorizons wrote:
The great thing about capitalism is that greed can drive efficiencies, one major problem is that it prioritizes enriching powerful people over distributing the gains of those efficiencies.

So Amazon has done a great job of removing some of the glut from the retail market as has been outlined in several posts, the problem is where that surplus value is allocated.

Instead of having tens of thousands of people making a living with some excess as retailers, Bezos has consolidated that shared wealth into his and a few shareholders pockets, in exchange he's offered a marginally better service.

So instead of pressuring out the excess enjoyed by retailers while leaving their livelihoods intact, Amazon has systematically destroyed them for self enrichment. If/when Amazon/Walmart are the overwhelmingly dominant sellers they will inevitably go to cutting qol for their lower employees and providing worse service to ensure more profit.

This is already apparent in many Walmarts around the country. Where after killing local retailers, prices rise and staffing is cut to extract more profits out of the community.

Amazon may end up being the best possible one stop shop with the most amazing interface and service and all that means is that those things will only get worse from there. Except with something like Amazon, there can't and won't be some competitor springing up to keep them honest, they will already practically own the governments where they are located and no entity short of the federal government would have the access or ability to compete.

Their domination seems somewhat inevitable, what seems possible is their appropriation back to the people who did the work that made the money.


What you've pointed out is the greatest economic challenge that we will face this century as far as I'm concerned. Even economist researchers from the embodiment of economic neoliberalism, the IMF, acknowledge the growing issues of capital sucking out most of the benefits to productivity that technology and the global market integration bring. And that policymakers have to counter this, capitalism isn't the self fixing miracle it was believed to be from '50 to '00.

Shunning trade and tech multinationals isn't gonna fix anything either, it's more akin to self-flagellation, Trump seems to be into that but it'll pass. Some form of redistribution seems inevitable though first we gotta find it a different name, it's a scary word to many people.

https://blogs.imf.org/2017/04/12/drivers-of-declining-labor-share-of-income/

Kyadytim
Profile Joined March 2009
United States886 Posts
April 03 2018 06:22 GMT
#1327
On April 03 2018 13:52 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2018 11:34 GreenHorizons wrote:
The great thing about capitalism is that greed can drive efficiencies, one major problem is that it prioritizes enriching powerful people over distributing the gains of those efficiencies.

So Amazon has done a great job of removing some of the glut from the retail market as has been outlined in several posts, the problem is where that surplus value is allocated.

Instead of having tens of thousands of people making a living with some excess as retailers, Bezos has consolidated that shared wealth into his and a few shareholders pockets, in exchange he's offered a marginally better service.

So instead of pressuring out the excess enjoyed by retailers while leaving their livelihoods intact, Amazon has systematically destroyed them for self enrichment. If/when Amazon/Walmart are the overwhelmingly dominant sellers they will inevitably go to cutting qol for their lower employees and providing worse service to ensure more profit.

This is already apparent in many Walmarts around the country. Where after killing local retailers, prices rise and staffing is cut to extract more profits out of the community.

Amazon may end up being the best possible one stop shop with the most amazing interface and service and all that means is that those things will only get worse from there. Except with something like Amazon, there can't and won't be some competitor springing up to keep them honest, they will already practically own the governments where they are located and no entity short of the federal government would have the access or ability to compete.

Their domination seems somewhat inevitable, what seems possible is their appropriation back to the people who did the work that made the money.


What you've pointed out is the greatest economic challenge that we will face this century as far as I'm concerned. Even economist researchers from the embodiment of economic neoliberalism, the IMF, acknowledge the growing issues of capital sucking out most of the benefits to productivity that technology and the global market integration bring. And that policymakers have to counter this, capitalism isn't the self fixing miracle it was believed to be from '50 to '00.

Shunning trade and tech multinationals isn't gonna fix anything either, it's more akin to self-flagellation, Trump seems to be into that but it'll pass. Some form of redistribution seems inevitable though first we gotta find it a different name, it's a scary word to many people.

https://blogs.imf.org/2017/04/12/drivers-of-declining-labor-share-of-income/


Yup, redistribution is inevitable. The entire problem can be summed up as "People with capital can leverage that capital to capture most of the value of increased efficiencies spurred by capitalism." Increasing consolidation of wealth in the hands of fewer and fewer increasingly wealthy people is a feature, not a bug. It's capitalism working as intended.

If we'd kept the high marginal tax rates on the top brackets, not created a separate and low capital gains tax rate, and implemented a tax on buying and selling stock, we might have been able to keep income inequality under control via a constant and severe constraint on how much of the value created by increased efficiency, automation, and such a single person (or business entity, maybe?) could capture.

Instead, the GOP wants to remove the estate tax and accelerate us into a new era of feudalism where people live at the whims of the privilege few who own the land they live on, the buildings they live in, the companies they work for, the tools they use to do that work....

It's not really surprising that more millenials want to scrap capitalism than keep it. To put things another way, capitalism is a system whereby the rich invest money to earn a share of the labor of many poorer people. A lot of people argue against high taxes or estate taxes with the logic that rich people earned their money, but considering that the world as a whole transitioned straight from feudalism to capitalism, people who earned their money by creativity and invention are a real minority compared to people who leveraged existing wealth into greater wealth or happened to own land with oil reserves.

There's a redistribution of wealth coming, and it's going to either be in the form of a super high estate tax and high marginal tax rate on high income, or it's going to come in the form of an overwhelming number of people who are struggling to survive deciding that the rich aren't actually entitled to the levels of wealth they currently have. It doesn't really matter if it happens sooner and in a nice way because people found a more soothing word it or the rich stopped fighting it as much or if it happens later and in a less pleasant way because it didn't happen until the nation reached a breaking point.
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8080 Posts
April 03 2018 07:37 GMT
#1328
On April 03 2018 12:37 Kyadytim wrote:
In Snowden's shoes, I would not even consider returning to the US without having already been issued a more or less blanket pardon, because the government can make all sorts of promises about a fair trial to get him into the US where they can make an example of him.


They're not even willing to do that. He's stated numerous times he's willing to return to a fair trial with a jury. The US government has consistently and officially denied him. They're open about throwing him under the bus.
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8080 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-03 08:33:32
April 03 2018 08:33 GMT
#1329
http://money.cnn.com/2018/04/02/news/economy/china-us-tariffs-trade/index.html

The Chinese government said that tariffs on about $3 billion worth of US imports are going into effect Monday, hitting 128 products ranging from pork, meat and fruit to steel pipes.


Experts say they expect further retaliation from China once the Trump administration reveals more details on which products its planned $50 billion in tariffs will target.


Yeah this isn't a trade war you're going to win buddy.

"Trump's planned tariffs are not only going to hamper the United States' economic well-being and continued progress, and burden its people with higher costs of living, but also pose a grave threat to the current global trading system," the article said.


Or anyone else for that matter.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-03 11:23:28
April 03 2018 11:22 GMT
#1330
I think people are being too hyperbolic in calling what snowden might get a fake or show trial (or at least claiming so definitively that it would be such). It might have flaws, but it's a disservice to the terms to equate them with what actual sham trials are like.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8080 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-03 11:30:54
April 03 2018 11:29 GMT
#1331
On April 03 2018 20:22 zlefin wrote:
I think people are being too hyperbolic in calling what snowden might get a fake or show trial (or at least claiming so definitively that it would be such). It might have flaws, but it's a disservice to the terms to equate them with what actual sham trials are like.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/30/daniel-ellsberg-snowden-fair-trial-kerry-espionage-act

It really isn't at all. Some outcuts:

As I know from my own case, even Snowden's own testimony on the stand would be gagged by government objections and the (arguably unconstitutional) nature of his charges. That was my own experience in court, as the first American to be prosecuted under the Espionage Act

I had looked forward to offering a fuller account in my trial than I had given previously to any journalist --- But when I finally heard my lawyer ask the prearranged question in direct examination – Why did you copy the Pentagon Papers? – I was silenced before I could begin to answer. The government prosecutor objected – irrelevant – and the judge sustained. My lawyer, exasperated, said he "had never heard of a case where a defendant was not permitted to tell the jury why he did what he did." The judge responded: well, you're hearing one now.

And so it has been with every subsequent whistleblower under indictment, and so it would be if Edward Snowden was on trial in an American courtroom now.

Without reform to the Espionage Act that lets a court hear a public interest defense – or a challenge to the appropriateness of government secrecy in each particular case – Snowden and future Snowdens can and will only be able to "make their case" from outside the United States.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18827 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-03 11:41:46
April 03 2018 11:40 GMT
#1332
Ellsberg had his charges dismissed, and "why did you do it" explanations are usually only relevant at sentencing, a trial stage Ellsberg never got to because his apparently "unfair trial" led to his being vindicated.
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Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8080 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-03 12:13:45
April 03 2018 12:07 GMT
#1333
On April 03 2018 20:40 farvacola wrote:
Ellsberg had his charges dismissed, and "why did you do it" explanations are usually only relevant at sentencing, a trial stage Ellsberg never got to because his apparently "unfair trial" led to his being vindicated.


That was later when evidence began mounting towards an undeniable level.

In spite of being effectively denied a defense, Ellsberg began to see events turn in his favor when the break-in of Fielding's office was revealed to Judge Byrne in a memo on April 26; Byrne ordered it to be shared with the defense.

On May 9, further evidence of illegal wiretapping against Ellsberg was revealed in court. The FBI had recorded numerous conversations between Morton Halperin and Ellsberg without a court order, and furthermore the prosecution had failed to share this evidence with the defense. During the trial, Byrne also revealed that he personally met twice with John Ehrlichman, who offered him directorship of the FBI. Byrne said he refused to consider the offer while the Ellsberg case was pending, though he was criticized for even agreeing to meet with Ehrlichman during the case.


I mean we're at Wikipedia levels of arguing here. I'm not going to continue to sit here and copy paste easily looked up answers to your arguments.

Also, it's entirely possible that something can both be a sham trial and simultaneously end up in the defendants favor. One does not necessarily exclude the other. Especially as new information and evidence comes to light as the trial is ongoing. If Ellsberg thought his trial was fair he wouldn't be bitching about it some 40 years later.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-03 12:24:49
April 03 2018 12:13 GMT
#1334
those cites establish very clearly that it's NOT in any a sham trial; but is in fact, a proper and fair trial with a fully functioning judiciary system, albeit somewhat marred by unethical acts by others (which were stopped by the fair trial).
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8080 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-03 13:13:29
April 03 2018 12:15 GMT
#1335
On April 03 2018 21:13 zlefin wrote:
those cites establish very clearly that it's NOT in any a sham trial; but is in fact, a proper trial with a fully functioning judiciary system.


One does not include or exclude the other. Fair trial can be both with and without a jury. Snowden (and everyone else for that matter) specifically wants both, not either or. And the US government has officially and repeatedly denied his request. This is so utterly ridiculous it's hard to fathom people finding themselves defending this shit.

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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 03 2018 13:27 GMT
#1336
Today, the Chinese government announced tariffs on 128 American products, including food. Pork will be taxed 25 percent, and wine, dried fruit, and nuts are now subject to a 15 percent duty.

The announcement comes in response to the tariffs President Trump recently imposed on steel and aluminum. Trade officials from each country are negotiating, and it's not yet clear how long the duties will be in effect, or what the lasting impact will be for American producers and growers.

But for businesses who already have shipments in transit, there are immediate effects. NPR's Mary Louise Kelly spoke with someone whose business is already feeling the tariffs directly. Jim Zion, managing partner at Meridian Growers in Fresno, Calif., distributes almonds, pistachios, and pecans to markets like China.

Questions and answers have been edited for length and clarity.

How many nuts does California sell to China?

In any given year, California exports anywhere between 60 to 70 percent of its almonds, pistachios, and walnuts. Arizona exports about the same amount of its pistachios and pecans. China has been one of the largest markets for the last few years. At one time, one out of every four pistachios grown in California was destined for China.

How big a deal will this 15 percent tariff be for your business?

For anything that we were shipping, that's what we call "on the water" — in transit to China — we will have to ask our buyers how they would like to handle the additional cost, because obviously this wasn't factored in when we made the original contract.

Either we're going to have to give them a discount to cover this additional cost, or, if we can't come up with an agreement, we will divert those containers to another destination that doesn't have a tariff. If we can't do that, we'll have to bring them back. Regardless, this will definitely cost us some money out of our pocket to take care of these issues.

Do you have an estimate for how much money this will cost?

Pistachios today are selling for about $3.50 a pound on a wholesale basis. So 15 percent of that would be around $0.50 a pound, which, in a container of 44,000 pounds is about $22,000.

If we have to divert that load to another destination, that could cost us anywhere from $2,000 to $4,000.

And if we have to bring it back, anytime we bring a container back to the United States, by the time we bring it back and go through customs and everything, that additional cost could be $10,000. So out of pocket this could cost us anywhere from $5,000 to $25,000 per container.


Source

NPR has a pretty good story about the changes in trade relations with China and what sectors of the economy it will hurt. It is forcing the companies to rework standing agreements for their products and China will likely seeking out new markets for nuts and other fruit. The tariffs provide a competitive advantage to countries like Iran that would love to sell nuts to China.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15689 Posts
April 03 2018 14:49 GMT
#1337
Iran benefiting economically, "giving them millions of dollars" would be hilarious.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-03 16:32:29
April 03 2018 16:29 GMT
#1338
The hidden crisis on college campuses: 36 percent of students don’t have enough to eat

Caleb Torres lost seven pounds his freshman year of college — and not because he didn’t like the food in the dining hall. A first-generation college student, barely covering tuition, Torres ran out of grocery money halfway through the year and began skipping meals as a result.

He’d stretch a can of SpaghettiOs over an entire day. Or he’d scout George Washington University campus for events that promised free lunch or snacks. Torres told no one what he was going through, least of all his single mom.

“She had enough things to worry about,” he said.

Now a senior and living off-campus, in a housing situation that supplies most of his meals, Torres is finally talking about his experience with the hunger problem on America’s college campuses: a quiet, insidious epidemic that researchers say threatens millions of students every year.

According to a first-of-its-kind survey released Tuesday by researchers at Temple University and the Wisconsin HOPE Lab, 36 percent of students on U.S. college campuses do not get enough to eat, and a similar number lack a secure place to live. The report, which is the first to include students from two-year, four-year, private and public universities, including GWU, found that nearly 1 in 10 community college students have gone a whole day without eating in the past month. That number was 6 percent among university students.

Researchers blame ballooning college costs, inadequate aid packages and growing enrollment among low-income students — as well as some colleges’ unwillingness to admit they have a hunger problem. College hunger is not a new issue, researchers caution. But it appears to be growing worse, and not merely because college is getting more expensive.

"Prices have gone up over time," said Sara Goldrick-Rab, a professor of higher education policy at Temple and the lead author of the report. "But the rising price is just a piece. This is a systemic problem."

Goldrick-Rab's report is based on data from 43,000 students at 66 schools and used the Department of Agriculture's assessment for measuring hunger. That means the thousands of students it classifies as having "low food security" aren't merely avoiding the dining hall or saving lunch money for beer: They're skipping meals, or eating smaller meals, because they don't have enough money for food.

On top of that, the report found, 46 percent of community college students and 36 percent of university students struggle to pay for housing and utilities. In the past year, 12 percent of community college students and 9 percent of university students have slept in shelters or in places not intended as housing, or did not know from one day to the next where they would sleep.

Measuring college hunger and homelessness is difficult. Researchers depend on universities to distribute the surveys and on a self-selecting group of students to fill them out.

Source

My grandfather talked about living off of very little while attending Brown. But that was in the 1950s when the cost of attending was peanuts compared to now. This guy was paying 53K a year to attend school and wasn't being provide with three meals a day. And the main reason this is happening appears to be because colleges administrators refuse to admit there is a problem. They will let people saddle themselves with 200K in debt that can't be discharged, but then be bothered to care if those students can't feed themselves. And none of this will be addressed by our current administration, who is more focused on making sure banks can collect on the student loans than they are at protecting debtors.
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United States7224 Posts
April 03 2018 16:32 GMT
#1339
Looks like Rosenstein's authorization to Mueller included much more than just Russian meddling. It actually authorized specific investigations including whether Manafort colluded or engaged in financial crimes. So presumably, there was some basis for those investigations in the first place. Not surprisingly, Republican attempts to cast doubt on Mueller's investigation are unfounded.


Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein told special counsel Robert Mueller in a classified August 2, 2017, memo that he should investigate allegations that President Donald Trump's former campaign chairman Paul Manafort was "colluding with Russian government officials" to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, prosecutors in the Russia probe revealed late Monday night.

Mueller was also empowered by Rosenstein to investigate Manafort's payments from Ukrainian politicians, a cornerstone of the Trump adviser's decades-long lobbying career that has resulted in several financial criminal charges so far.

The revelation of the August 2 memo comes amid a broader court filing from Mueller's prosecutors that offers a full-throated defense of their investigative powers and indictments thus far. In the filing, the special counsel's office argues that a federal judge should not throw out Manafort's case. Manafort has sought to have the case dismissed, arguing that the charges against him are outside of Mueller's authority.

The filing Monday night crystallizes the extent to which Rosenstein, who has come under fire by President Donald Trump and others, has backed the investigation's actions. (Rosenstein oversees Mueller's investigation following Attorney General Jeff Sessions' recusal.)

The memo, attached to Monday night's court argument and not previously disclosed even to Manafort, describes how Rosenstein's public order that appointed Mueller in May left out some details so it didn't confirm "specific investigations involving specific individuals."

Most of the investigations and individuals that Rosenstein named in that memo are now redacted -- amounting to almost a full page of withheld information.


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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-03 16:36:03
April 03 2018 16:34 GMT
#1340
it'd also help if schools did a better job of teaching people to budget their money and eat affordably. if you can afford to go to college in the first place you should have some sort of budgeting plan to account for your food needs, as those should only run a little over $2k a year if you're frugal.

but really they just need to fix the tuition/housing costs.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
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