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Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia885 Posts
1 hour ago
#106901
On November 07 2025 03:18 decafchicken wrote:
As an american, my favorite place i've ever visited was croatia and i hope to retire there one day.


If you ever do, I'd be happy to help you facilitate things over here and help you around, I lived in a more organized and advanced country in Netherlands but when I decided to settle down there was only one choice, it has it's problems but they rarely touch the vast majority of people.

Top hint, I'd look into the inside, not so much the coast, the coast is beautiful but the inland areas are super cheap and a lot of them are breathtakingly beautiful, plus the people are really, really nice.
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20073 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-11-06 21:50:34
1 hour ago
#106902
On November 07 2025 05:13 oBlade wrote:
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On November 07 2025 03:17 decafchicken wrote:
On November 06 2025 22:07 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On November 06 2025 21:07 Jankisa wrote:
On November 06 2025 12:40 Luolis wrote:
The way american conservatives have brainbroken themselves is truly something that needs to be studied.


It's breathtaking really.

On November 06 2025 21:07 Jankisa wrote:
The system where Trump is ignoring courts, shitting all over the constitution, deploying troops to cities, arresting citizens with no due process, trampling free speech by banning reporters from Pentagon and the White house,

there does not have to be a "due process" to arrest a citizen. To be extreme, if a police officer witnesses a citizen commit a crime the police officer can arrest the citizen without a "due process". In more subtle cases a citizen can be arrested for all kinds of reasons. Due process is a constitutional amendment; it is not a requirement for arrest.

i think what you might be trying to say is that people are getting deported with "due process". Perhaps this is the intent of your statement? In that case, i'll link you to my previous post that had the Obama "we are a nation of immigrants and we're also a nation of laws" speech. Obama deported millions with ~80% with no court hearing process.


These are the requirements during arrest:

Probable cause: Police must have a valid reason to believe that the person has committed a crime. This is often a requirement for the legality of the arrest.
or
Warrant: A warrant is required for an arrest unless an officer witnesses a crime or has probable cause under certain circumstances.

Unfortunately the supreme court basically legalized racial profiling allowing officers to see a brown skin person and use that as probable cause to arrest someone for being undocumented, but outside of that to go into someone's house, car, or private property you need a judicial warrant, which ICE has unbashedly violated. Just this week ICE took a hispanic looking US citizen out of his car, detained him, then ICE agents in full military garb and assault rifles, got in his car and DROVE AWAY WITH HIS (CITIZEN) BABY IN THE CAR. This is the entire point of things like due process, because we have systems in place to correctly identify when crimes are committed and the appropriate actions so that we don't terrorize children and call it a whoopsie.

You are learning, but before arrest there's detaining, which can be done with the standard of reasonable suspicion. And can also be done for reasons of scene control and other circumstances that aren't ultimately aiming towards a criminal arrest of the person detained.

I searched your esoteric reference and it seems to be a recent case of a man called Dennis Quinonez? Who had a stolen pistol, and an open warrant. And is accused of attacking feds with rocks and a hammer - so he probably wasn't originally in the car when that happened. And when people get arrested, they don't get arrested with their children. This is the same no matter what inflammatory statements you make about what they look like. If you do something bad, and also have a child, you will be arrested. Your child will not be. Yet thankfully the state will not simply set your 1 year old child immediately free. Put conversely, having children is not a human shield that makes you immune to arrest. To characterize that they "drove away" as though they were carjackers who inadvertently kidnapped a child or something, is just laughable.


You can watch the video. Yes, they should have called CPS or a family member to get the child, which they did not. He was picked up at a home depot, and after the slew of lies that were found to be told in court today I would assume any claims that ICE made he was throwing rocks and attacking them are BS.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-11-04/ice-border-patrol-dodger-stadium-parking-lot

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On November 07 2025 03:17 decafchicken wrote:

Identification: Police officers must identify themselves and be clearly identified, often by wearing visible name tags.
Memo of arrest: An arrest memo must be prepared, including the time and date of arrest.


ICE is neither properly identifying themselves, presenting arrest memo, stating the chart, nor reading miranda rights

Use of force: Police are trained in the use of force, but it must be used appropriately.

ICE is currently under a class action lawsuit for and in federal hearings for blatantly misusing force

Miranda rights apply to criminal arrests. Lack of legal status is not a criminal matter per se. And an arrest memo is not something you show to the person you're arresting to prove you're allowed to arrest them. That's a misunderstanding.

This series of quotes, and the ones above, do not have an obvious reference, do not have a reference provided by you, and return 0 results when string-searched. This makes it difficult to address clearly. To what source are you referring and is it an LLM?

I was replying to statements about arrests, which you are correct have different standards than detainment, which are also being violated (hence the class action lawsuits and judicial injunctions going on).
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25993 Posts
46 minutes ago
#106903
On November 07 2025 06:30 Jankisa wrote:
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On November 07 2025 03:11 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Nice? Americans are loud, obnoxious, abrupt and rude. In general, Americans are a giant PITA. I usually get beyond that initial first impression though. And doing so has been very profitable for me.

I like the overall structure of Mamdani's plan. He can go into compromise/diplomacy mode and lower transit by 67% and also raise taxes by far less than his initial proposal to make up the revenue shortfall. $0.90 NYC transit would be great.
Mamdani proposes a 2% increase in income tax for the top 1% of NYC citizens along with a 4.3% increase in corporate tax. He can cut in half those increases and appear to compromise while drastically lowering transit costs for the working poor.

Go Mamdani Go!


Oh, don't get me wrong, for most of my IT career the companies I worked for were American, and in vast majority of cases the people I interacted with, and it's a lot, since my career path started from the very bottom of Level 1 support I got to talk to hundreds and hundreds of very cool, smart and interesting people. Interestingly, the vast majority of ones who started conversations regarding politics were staunch Republicans.

I can honestly say that if not for a few American bosses who recognized my potential I'd be nowhere close to where I am now, however, in the case of my first American boss, one of the reasons I left that company was that I found out he's a big Trump supporter. He offered me 30 % pay bump, and I was already compensated more then well, but this plus my disagreements with the person who was running his company over here made me not even consider it.

The new one is awesome, tho, despite obviously being very rich, he is a very firm anti-Trump guy and his favorite thing to say about politics is "It's not about left or right, it's about haves and have nots".

If you read a few of my posts about my interactions with a Trump loving colleague over there, you can see that I very much have the ability to get over that and talk and have very productive and respectful relationships at work with those guys.

Anyway, I guess my point is that that I do love America and that's the reason why it makes me so sad to see what it's turning in to.

I fear Mamdani's not even going to get a chance, but what kind of gives me hope is that I was similarly pessimistic about the mayor of our capital who has a similar profile, I thought the criminals from the state government and their criminals allies will crush him, but he's on to his second term, he turned the city slowly around, it operates positively and it's been a joy to see.

Hope the same happens with Mamdani.

Fingers very much crossed! Although mostly post to give me the excuse to wish you a happy cake day!
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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