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On November 07 2025 03:18 decafchicken wrote: As an american, my favorite place i've ever visited was croatia and i hope to retire there one day.
If you ever do, I'd be happy to help you facilitate things over here and help you around, I lived in a more organized and advanced country in Netherlands but when I decided to settle down there was only one choice, it has it's problems but they rarely touch the vast majority of people.
Top hint, I'd look into the inside, not so much the coast, the coast is beautiful but the inland areas are super cheap and a lot of them are breathtakingly beautiful, plus the people are really, really nice.
On November 06 2025 12:40 Luolis wrote: The way american conservatives have brainbroken themselves is truly something that needs to be studied.
It's breathtaking really.
On November 06 2025 21:07 Jankisa wrote: The system where Trump is ignoring courts, shitting all over the constitution, deploying troops to cities, arresting citizens with no due process, trampling free speech by banning reporters from Pentagon and the White house,
there does not have to be a "due process" to arrest a citizen. To be extreme, if a police officer witnesses a citizen commit a crime the police officer can arrest the citizen without a "due process". In more subtle cases a citizen can be arrested for all kinds of reasons. Due process is a constitutional amendment; it is not a requirement for arrest.
i think what you might be trying to say is that people are getting deported with "due process". Perhaps this is the intent of your statement? In that case, i'll link you to my previous post that had the Obama "we are a nation of immigrants and we're also a nation of laws" speech. Obama deported millions with ~80% with no court hearing process.
These are the requirements during arrest:
Probable cause: Police must have a valid reason to believe that the person has committed a crime. This is often a requirement for the legality of the arrest. or Warrant: A warrant is required for an arrest unless an officer witnesses a crime or has probable cause under certain circumstances.
Unfortunately the supreme court basically legalized racial profiling allowing officers to see a brown skin person and use that as probable cause to arrest someone for being undocumented, but outside of that to go into someone's house, car, or private property you need a judicial warrant, which ICE has unbashedly violated. Just this week ICE took a hispanic looking US citizen out of his car, detained him, then ICE agents in full military garb and assault rifles, got in his car and DROVE AWAY WITH HIS (CITIZEN) BABY IN THE CAR. This is the entire point of things like due process, because we have systems in place to correctly identify when crimes are committed and the appropriate actions so that we don't terrorize children and call it a whoopsie.
You are learning, but before arrest there's detaining, which can be done with the standard of reasonable suspicion. And can also be done for reasons of scene control and other circumstances that aren't ultimately aiming towards a criminal arrest of the person detained.
I searched your esoteric reference and it seems to be a recent case of a man called Dennis Quinonez? Who had a stolen pistol, and an open warrant. And is accused of attacking feds with rocks and a hammer - so he probably wasn't originally in the car when that happened. And when people get arrested, they don't get arrested with their children. This is the same no matter what inflammatory statements you make about what they look like. If you do something bad, and also have a child, you will be arrested. Your child will not be. Yet thankfully the state will not simply set your 1 year old child immediately free. Put conversely, having children is not a human shield that makes you immune to arrest. To characterize that they "drove away" as though they were carjackers who inadvertently kidnapped a child or something, is just laughable.
You can watch the video. Yes, they should have called CPS or a family member to get the child, which they did not. He was picked up at a home depot, and after the slew of lies that were found to be told in court today I would assume any claims that ICE made he was throwing rocks and attacking them are BS.
Identification: Police officers must identify themselves and be clearly identified, often by wearing visible name tags. Memo of arrest: An arrest memo must be prepared, including the time and date of arrest.
ICE is neither properly identifying themselves, presenting arrest memo, stating the chart, nor reading miranda rights
Use of force: Police are trained in the use of force, but it must be used appropriately.
ICE is currently under a class action lawsuit for and in federal hearings for blatantly misusing force
Miranda rights apply to criminal arrests. Lack of legal status is not a criminal matter per se. And an arrest memo is not something you show to the person you're arresting to prove you're allowed to arrest them. That's a misunderstanding.
This series of quotes, and the ones above, do not have an obvious reference, do not have a reference provided by you, and return 0 results when string-searched. This makes it difficult to address clearly. To what source are you referring and is it an LLM?
I was replying to statements about arrests, which you are correct have different standards than detainment, which are also being violated (hence the class action lawsuits and judicial injunctions going on).
On November 07 2025 03:11 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Nice? Americans are loud, obnoxious, abrupt and rude. In general, Americans are a giant PITA. I usually get beyond that initial first impression though. And doing so has been very profitable for me.
I like the overall structure of Mamdani's plan. He can go into compromise/diplomacy mode and lower transit by 67% and also raise taxes by far less than his initial proposal to make up the revenue shortfall. $0.90 NYC transit would be great. Mamdani proposes a 2% increase in income tax for the top 1% of NYC citizens along with a 4.3% increase in corporate tax. He can cut in half those increases and appear to compromise while drastically lowering transit costs for the working poor.
Go Mamdani Go!
Oh, don't get me wrong, for most of my IT career the companies I worked for were American, and in vast majority of cases the people I interacted with, and it's a lot, since my career path started from the very bottom of Level 1 support I got to talk to hundreds and hundreds of very cool, smart and interesting people. Interestingly, the vast majority of ones who started conversations regarding politics were staunch Republicans.
I can honestly say that if not for a few American bosses who recognized my potential I'd be nowhere close to where I am now, however, in the case of my first American boss, one of the reasons I left that company was that I found out he's a big Trump supporter. He offered me 30 % pay bump, and I was already compensated more then well, but this plus my disagreements with the person who was running his company over here made me not even consider it.
The new one is awesome, tho, despite obviously being very rich, he is a very firm anti-Trump guy and his favorite thing to say about politics is "It's not about left or right, it's about haves and have nots".
If you read a few of my posts about my interactions with a Trump loving colleague over there, you can see that I very much have the ability to get over that and talk and have very productive and respectful relationships at work with those guys.
Anyway, I guess my point is that that I do love America and that's the reason why it makes me so sad to see what it's turning in to.
I fear Mamdani's not even going to get a chance, but what kind of gives me hope is that I was similarly pessimistic about the mayor of our capital who has a similar profile, I thought the criminals from the state government and their criminals allies will crush him, but he's on to his second term, he turned the city slowly around, it operates positively and it's been a joy to see.
Hope the same happens with Mamdani.
Fingers very much crossed! Although mostly post to give me the excuse to wish you a happy cake day!
On November 07 2025 10:20 JimmyJRaynor wrote: who is the mystery man who collapsed in the oval office today? why don't we know who he is? i guess we are living in the bizarro world.
Why do you care? It's probably an executive of some drug company and their medical state is entirely irrelevant and non-news to anybody beyond "they fainted but are fine now".
On November 06 2025 12:40 Luolis wrote: The way american conservatives have brainbroken themselves is truly something that needs to be studied.
It's breathtaking really.
On November 06 2025 21:07 Jankisa wrote: The system where Trump is ignoring courts, shitting all over the constitution, deploying troops to cities, arresting citizens with no due process, trampling free speech by banning reporters from Pentagon and the White house,
there does not have to be a "due process" to arrest a citizen. To be extreme, if a police officer witnesses a citizen commit a crime the police officer can arrest the citizen without a "due process". In more subtle cases a citizen can be arrested for all kinds of reasons. Due process is a constitutional amendment; it is not a requirement for arrest.
i think what you might be trying to say is that people are getting deported with "due process". Perhaps this is the intent of your statement? In that case, i'll link you to my previous post that had the Obama "we are a nation of immigrants and we're also a nation of laws" speech. Obama deported millions with ~80% with no court hearing process.
These are the requirements during arrest:
Probable cause: Police must have a valid reason to believe that the person has committed a crime. This is often a requirement for the legality of the arrest. or Warrant: A warrant is required for an arrest unless an officer witnesses a crime or has probable cause under certain circumstances.
Unfortunately the supreme court basically legalized racial profiling allowing officers to see a brown skin person and use that as probable cause to arrest someone for being undocumented, but outside of that to go into someone's house, car, or private property you need a judicial warrant, which ICE has unbashedly violated. Just this week ICE took a hispanic looking US citizen out of his car, detained him, then ICE agents in full military garb and assault rifles, got in his car and DROVE AWAY WITH HIS (CITIZEN) BABY IN THE CAR. This is the entire point of things like due process, because we have systems in place to correctly identify when crimes are committed and the appropriate actions so that we don't terrorize children and call it a whoopsie.
You are learning, but before arrest there's detaining, which can be done with the standard of reasonable suspicion. And can also be done for reasons of scene control and other circumstances that aren't ultimately aiming towards a criminal arrest of the person detained.
I searched your esoteric reference and it seems to be a recent case of a man called Dennis Quinonez? Who had a stolen pistol, and an open warrant. And is accused of attacking feds with rocks and a hammer - so he probably wasn't originally in the car when that happened. And when people get arrested, they don't get arrested with their children. This is the same no matter what inflammatory statements you make about what they look like. If you do something bad, and also have a child, you will be arrested. Your child will not be. Yet thankfully the state will not simply set your 1 year old child immediately free. Put conversely, having children is not a human shield that makes you immune to arrest. To characterize that they "drove away" as though they were carjackers who inadvertently kidnapped a child or something, is just laughable.
You can watch the video. Yes, they should have called CPS or a family member to get the child, which they did not. He was picked up at a home depot, and after the slew of lies that were found to be told in court today I would assume any claims that ICE made he was throwing rocks and attacking them are BS.
Identification: Police officers must identify themselves and be clearly identified, often by wearing visible name tags. Memo of arrest: An arrest memo must be prepared, including the time and date of arrest.
ICE is neither properly identifying themselves, presenting arrest memo, stating the chart, nor reading miranda rights
Use of force: Police are trained in the use of force, but it must be used appropriately.
ICE is currently under a class action lawsuit for and in federal hearings for blatantly misusing force
Miranda rights apply to criminal arrests. Lack of legal status is not a criminal matter per se. And an arrest memo is not something you show to the person you're arresting to prove you're allowed to arrest them. That's a misunderstanding.
This series of quotes, and the ones above, do not have an obvious reference, do not have a reference provided by you, and return 0 results when string-searched. This makes it difficult to address clearly. To what source are you referring and is it an LLM?
I was replying to statements about arrests, which you are correct have different standards than detainment, which are also being violated (hence the class action lawsuits and judicial injunctions going on).
Yes rights are always being violated as long as people are fallible and lawsuits can be brought with or without merit.
The thing is the path you miss is that detention can lead to arrest. You can have no warrant and no probable cause for someone. But detain them with reasonable suspicion. Then, in the course of investigating them - which if that's not law enforcement's responsibility then it's a power that doesn't exist in our society - you find probable cause for a criminal arrest or for immigration violations. This is not an abuse of due process. That's the process. It's not an abuse just because you didn't wake up that morning with any warrant or probable cause. Hell, when you woke up that morning you didn't even have reasonable suspicion. You may not have even known they existed. But you got past each step through investigation.
These following statements have no link or source and weren't said by anyone before you in the thread that I can see. I am asking where they came from. Where you got them, or what produced them. I assume they weren't your words because you put them in a quote and it wouldn't make sense to quote yourself. But that's why I'm asking.
Probable cause: Police must have a valid reason to believe that the person has committed a crime. This is often a requirement for the legality of the arrest. or Warrant: A warrant is required for an arrest unless an officer witnesses a crime or has probable cause under certain circumstances.
Identification: Police officers must identify themselves and be clearly identified, often by wearing visible name tags. Memo of arrest: An arrest memo must be prepared, including the time and date of arrest.
Use of force: Police are trained in the use of force, but it must be used appropriately.
Also the article you linked explains they already reunited the daughter with family members so it seems LEO knew what they were doing.
Mamdani's state run grocery stores are impractical. Perhaps they can be used as a threat to get giant grocery retailers to act more ethically. I do not think the USA/NYC has a Canadian equivalent to Loblaw's. Loblaw's is a massive grocery chain owned by a multibillion dollar family that is constantly getting caught in scams and breaking the law. They commit wage theft on a massive scale defraud customers on a mass scale by incorrectly weighing meat, price fixing on bread, label items as canadian when they are not Canadian. May 12 is National Steal From Loblaw's Day. A place like this needs the Mamdani treatment. Is there a giant grocery retailer in NYC that has a brutal track record like Loblaw's ?
Philosophically, I got no problem with a guy becoming a billionaire selling $300,000 Porsches or $100 video games. No one needs those luxuries. I got a problem with an unethical grocery chain making a guy a billionaire by incorrectly weighing meat on a massive level along with price fixing common food items like bread.
If grocery retailers are screwing over New Yorkers hard then I hope Mamdani's unusual policy proposals put the fear of God in them.
On November 07 2025 10:20 JimmyJRaynor wrote: who is the mystery man who collapsed in the oval office today? why don't we know who he is? i guess we are living in the bizarro world.
Why do you care? It's probably an executive of some drug company and their medical state is entirely irrelevant and non-news to anybody beyond "they fainted but are fine now".
The "State run grocery stores idea" by Mamdani is for food deserts.
Food deserts is where the "Market" has failed and food is only sold at scalping prices, because ordinary supermarkets have closed down.
When banks fail, they get "state run bailouts". When industrial corporations fail, they get "state run investments" (Intel) When oilcompanies have mishaps with tankers leaking, they get "State run cleanups" When owners of NPPs need a safe forever storage for their FUBAR fuel rods, they get a "State run storage". When big time landowners (R) aka "Farmers" have the slightest of bubus , they get "additional state run buying programms to stabilize prices" - even from Trump, who created the china-bubu by needless tariff war.
When people get a subsidy on food to pay normal prices that usually are sufficient to make 2nd gen owners of enterprises like the Walton Jrs. earn more than GOD - it's of course
> EXTREMIST-ISLAMO-FACIST-MARXISM <
But seeing a horse shaped shadow, I don't assume it's from a zebra, so I just assume that a state-run grocery store just threatens the scalping. And if it works .. the food prices and monopolies might be looked into nation wide.
that health scare picture in the White House is perfectly emblematic of the state of democracy. god's having a laugh and is not subtle about sending signals it seems.
the Pontifex Maximus, a.k.a the _woke_ pope, is also not happy with the unabashed cruelty towards migrants and straight up murder of people on "drug smuggling" boats.
Pope Leo has called for "deep reflection" on how migrants are treated in the United States, where he said many people were deeply affected by the controversial policy of mass deportation.
In some of his strongest criticism to date of President Donald Trump's administration, the first ever US-born pope also warned that the US bombing of Venezuelan ships, suspected of carrying drugs, risked increasing tensions in the region.
Emerging to address a bank of TV cameras outside his papal retreat at Castel Gandolfo and offering to answer "one or two questions", Pope Leo XIV said there were people who have lived in the US "for years and years never causing problems, who have been deeply affected" by Trump's hardline policy on migration.
Speaking in English, and reaching a US audience directly, he reiterated the Catholic belief that every Christian will ultimately be judged on how they welcomed "the foreigner".
"I was struck by how direct his reference was because he's obviously talking about the ICE round-ups," Catholic historian Austen Ivereigh told the BBC, referring to the immigration enforcement body in the US.
"It's very strong."
Born in Chicago, Pope Leo – or Robert Prevost as he was then – spent much of his working life as a missionary in Peru, an experience that has also shaped his approach.
"I think this is an issue that matters to him personally," Professor Anna Rowlands of Durham University said. "He has lived in countries affected by these policies, and been welcomed himself as a migrant. He was in effect a migrant bishop."
In his first major document, published last month, Pope Leo revealed that the issues of poverty and migration would remain at the heart of his papacy. He stressed that message at a recent meeting in the Vatican with US bishops.
"Leo offers an entirely orthodox response" to migration, Prof Rowlands pointed out, "straight down the line."
He is, she said, citing a church tradition stretching back more than 100 years on the issue, that includes ensuring the rights of families to remain together and protecting their spiritual needs.
If the pope is to woke for you, you should probably carefully reconsider your positions, because you are falling off the spectrum of normality.
The catholic church is the most conservative institution i can think of, and has a history more than a thousand years of that. It is not generally considered a source of hot takes and leftwing activism.
On November 07 2025 19:36 Simberto wrote: If the pope is to woke for you, you should probably carefully reconsider your positions, because you are falling off the spectrum of normality.
The catholic church is the most conservative institution i can think of, and has a history more than a thousand years of that. It is not generally considered a source of hot takes and leftwing activism.
Remember, Jesus Christ would be a radical Islamist Marxist and unironically crucified a second time by the very people who claim to follow his teachings.
but yeah, if only he stayed within the confines of Judeo( without the Christian part) values and mores of his time, that god damn edgelord and Son of the Lord - none of this mess would have happened! starting an orthodoxy challenging sect, heresy!
and the worst sin, he made all them rich folks look bad, the money lenders and changers in the temple etc... helped the outcasts and showed empathy. no even more, Caritas!
so that the establishment hated him and sent the full force of the state after him and his followers for making a ruckus.
god damn insurrectionist, I think there's an act for that Trump could use! today!
//edit: ok, that is too good not to share.
browsing I thought it was fake, but damn look at the Chyron. the cope is off the charts.
On November 07 2025 13:06 Wala.Revolution wrote: Was told it was like a scene from Veep. Supposedly Eli Lilly's ex-cfo.
The lack of concern and pure annoyance on his face due to attention being off him and him not having fun, just sums up who he is (and the administration) so well.
On November 07 2025 17:21 KT_Elwood wrote: The "State run grocery stores idea" by Mamdani is for food deserts.
Food deserts is where the "Market" has failed and food is only sold at scalping prices, because ordinary supermarkets have closed down.
When banks fail, they get "state run bailouts". When industrial corporations fail, they get "state run investments" (Intel) When oilcompanies have mishaps with tankers leaking, they get "State run cleanups" When owners of NPPs need a safe forever storage for their FUBAR fuel rods, they get a "State run storage". When big time landowners (R) aka "Farmers" have the slightest of bubus , they get "additional state run buying programms to stabilize prices" - even from Trump, who created the china-bubu by needless tariff war.
When people get a subsidy on food to pay normal prices that usually are sufficient to make 2nd gen owners of enterprises like the Walton Jrs. earn more than GOD - it's of course
> EXTREMIST-ISLAMO-FACIST-MARXISM <
But seeing a horse shaped shadow, I don't assume it's from a zebra, so I just assume that a state-run grocery store just threatens the scalping. And if it works .. the food prices and monopolies might be looked into nation wide.
A "food desert" in NYC is a place that's over half a mile (800 meters) from a supermarket. In the city. No matter how many Chipotles and bakeries and $2 pizza joints are around you. It's purely about supermarkets which people aren't starving in NYC from a lack of. I don't know who is out of food at 1000 meters that would be the pinnacle of nutrition at 500 meters. People live in food deserts because they're also places where housing is cheaper. If they have a car, 800 meters doesn't matter. If they don't have a car, they are also saving on that and can easily use public transportation in a city. Yet despite giving people money for food if they spend the money at bodegas instead of supermarkets such that a supermarket won't stay open, at a certain point you have to accept their habits are based on convenience and they're not going to use the government supermarket either.
On November 07 2025 17:21 KT_Elwood wrote: The "State run grocery stores idea" by Mamdani is for food deserts.
Food deserts is where the "Market" has failed and food is only sold at scalping prices, because ordinary supermarkets have closed down.
When banks fail, they get "state run bailouts". When industrial corporations fail, they get "state run investments" (Intel) When oilcompanies have mishaps with tankers leaking, they get "State run cleanups" When owners of NPPs need a safe forever storage for their FUBAR fuel rods, they get a "State run storage". When big time landowners (R) aka "Farmers" have the slightest of bubus , they get "additional state run buying programms to stabilize prices" - even from Trump, who created the china-bubu by needless tariff war.
When people get a subsidy on food to pay normal prices that usually are sufficient to make 2nd gen owners of enterprises like the Walton Jrs. earn more than GOD - it's of course
> EXTREMIST-ISLAMO-FACIST-MARXISM <
But seeing a horse shaped shadow, I don't assume it's from a zebra, so I just assume that a state-run grocery store just threatens the scalping. And if it works .. the food prices and monopolies might be looked into nation wide.
A "food desert" in NYC is a place that's over half a mile (800 meters) from a supermarket. In the city. No matter how many Chipotles and bakeries and $2 pizza joints are around you. It's purely about supermarkets which people aren't starving in NYC from a lack of. I don't know who is out of food at 1000 meters that would be the pinnacle of nutrition at 500 meters. People live in food deserts because they're also places where housing is cheaper. If they have a car, 800 meters doesn't matter. If they don't have a car, they are also saving on that and can easily use public transportation in a city. Yet despite giving people money for food if they spend the money at bodegas instead of supermarkets such that a supermarket won't stay open, at a certain point you have to accept their habits are based on convenience and they're not going to use the government supermarket either.
Hard to stay healthy if the food options around you are chipotle, bakeries and pizza. In the end, this costs everyone else because a sicker society makes for more expensive healthcare across the board.
Now that I have moved back to Spain, I hadn't realised just quite how bad it was. In Spanish cities it's normal to have greengrocers on almost every block (there's two on my block). You can get really cheap veg that is perfectly ripe for very little money. The greengrocer around the corner from me puts up 2kg bags of almost but not quite overripe veg for 1 euro -- it's actually really good but you gotta cook it straight away.
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