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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 03 2018 16:39 GMT
#1341
If schools did that, they could use it to take the massive amount of tuition they are spending on god knows what and spend it on more food for students. And some of these students are from poor families and an extra 2K a year might be a big ask for them.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
April 03 2018 16:50 GMT
#1342
On April 04 2018 01:29 Plansix wrote:
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The hidden crisis on college campuses: 36 percent of students don’t have enough to eat

Caleb Torres lost seven pounds his freshman year of college — and not because he didn’t like the food in the dining hall. A first-generation college student, barely covering tuition, Torres ran out of grocery money halfway through the year and began skipping meals as a result.

He’d stretch a can of SpaghettiOs over an entire day. Or he’d scout George Washington University campus for events that promised free lunch or snacks. Torres told no one what he was going through, least of all his single mom.

“She had enough things to worry about,” he said.

Now a senior and living off-campus, in a housing situation that supplies most of his meals, Torres is finally talking about his experience with the hunger problem on America’s college campuses: a quiet, insidious epidemic that researchers say threatens millions of students every year.

According to a first-of-its-kind survey released Tuesday by researchers at Temple University and the Wisconsin HOPE Lab, 36 percent of students on U.S. college campuses do not get enough to eat, and a similar number lack a secure place to live. The report, which is the first to include students from two-year, four-year, private and public universities, including GWU, found that nearly 1 in 10 community college students have gone a whole day without eating in the past month. That number was 6 percent among university students.

Researchers blame ballooning college costs, inadequate aid packages and growing enrollment among low-income students — as well as some colleges’ unwillingness to admit they have a hunger problem. College hunger is not a new issue, researchers caution. But it appears to be growing worse, and not merely because college is getting more expensive.

"Prices have gone up over time," said Sara Goldrick-Rab, a professor of higher education policy at Temple and the lead author of the report. "But the rising price is just a piece. This is a systemic problem."

Goldrick-Rab's report is based on data from 43,000 students at 66 schools and used the Department of Agriculture's assessment for measuring hunger. That means the thousands of students it classifies as having "low food security" aren't merely avoiding the dining hall or saving lunch money for beer: They're skipping meals, or eating smaller meals, because they don't have enough money for food.

On top of that, the report found, 46 percent of community college students and 36 percent of university students struggle to pay for housing and utilities. In the past year, 12 percent of community college students and 9 percent of university students have slept in shelters or in places not intended as housing, or did not know from one day to the next where they would sleep.

Measuring college hunger and homelessness is difficult. Researchers depend on universities to distribute the surveys and on a self-selecting group of students to fill them out.

Source

My grandfather talked about living off of very little while attending Brown. But that was in the 1950s when the cost of attending was peanuts compared to now. This guy was paying 53K a year to attend school and wasn't being provide with three meals a day. And the main reason this is happening appears to be because colleges administrators refuse to admit there is a problem. They will let people saddle themselves with 200K in debt that can't be discharged, but then be bothered to care if those students can't feed themselves. And none of this will be addressed by our current administration, who is more focused on making sure banks can collect on the student loans than they are at protecting debtors.


The 53k or whatever would typically cover a meal plan; tuition tends to be in the 40k range with additional cost for room & board, books, etc. I know I'm nitpicking.

What's crazy to juxtapose is the incredible amount of food waste that also happens at colleges. It's part of why they contract with Sodexo/ Aramark for their lowest tiers of service - because an insane amount of it ends up uneaten or in the garbage.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21538 Posts
April 03 2018 16:52 GMT
#1343
On April 04 2018 01:29 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
The hidden crisis on college campuses: 36 percent of students don’t have enough to eat

Caleb Torres lost seven pounds his freshman year of college — and not because he didn’t like the food in the dining hall. A first-generation college student, barely covering tuition, Torres ran out of grocery money halfway through the year and began skipping meals as a result.

He’d stretch a can of SpaghettiOs over an entire day. Or he’d scout George Washington University campus for events that promised free lunch or snacks. Torres told no one what he was going through, least of all his single mom.

“She had enough things to worry about,” he said.

Now a senior and living off-campus, in a housing situation that supplies most of his meals, Torres is finally talking about his experience with the hunger problem on America’s college campuses: a quiet, insidious epidemic that researchers say threatens millions of students every year.

According to a first-of-its-kind survey released Tuesday by researchers at Temple University and the Wisconsin HOPE Lab, 36 percent of students on U.S. college campuses do not get enough to eat, and a similar number lack a secure place to live. The report, which is the first to include students from two-year, four-year, private and public universities, including GWU, found that nearly 1 in 10 community college students have gone a whole day without eating in the past month. That number was 6 percent among university students.

Researchers blame ballooning college costs, inadequate aid packages and growing enrollment among low-income students — as well as some colleges’ unwillingness to admit they have a hunger problem. College hunger is not a new issue, researchers caution. But it appears to be growing worse, and not merely because college is getting more expensive.

"Prices have gone up over time," said Sara Goldrick-Rab, a professor of higher education policy at Temple and the lead author of the report. "But the rising price is just a piece. This is a systemic problem."

Goldrick-Rab's report is based on data from 43,000 students at 66 schools and used the Department of Agriculture's assessment for measuring hunger. That means the thousands of students it classifies as having "low food security" aren't merely avoiding the dining hall or saving lunch money for beer: They're skipping meals, or eating smaller meals, because they don't have enough money for food.

On top of that, the report found, 46 percent of community college students and 36 percent of university students struggle to pay for housing and utilities. In the past year, 12 percent of community college students and 9 percent of university students have slept in shelters or in places not intended as housing, or did not know from one day to the next where they would sleep.

Measuring college hunger and homelessness is difficult. Researchers depend on universities to distribute the surveys and on a self-selecting group of students to fill them out.

Source

My grandfather talked about living off of very little while attending Brown. But that was in the 1950s when the cost of attending was peanuts compared to now. This guy was paying 53K a year to attend school and wasn't being provide with three meals a day. And the main reason this is happening appears to be because colleges administrators refuse to admit there is a problem. They will let people saddle themselves with 200K in debt that can't be discharged, but then be bothered to care if those students can't feed themselves. And none of this will be addressed by our current administration, who is more focused on making sure banks can collect on the student loans than they are at protecting debtors.
For comparison I checked my old college for the price. 7.7k a year is their highest tuition cost.
Now that ofcourse doesn't include a dorm room or anything but you can do a lot with an extra 45.3k a year.
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
April 03 2018 16:55 GMT
#1344
If you are living on campus with a meal plan your use of money shouldn't be an issue since the meal plan you paid for should never have you go hungry.
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-03 16:59:00
April 03 2018 16:56 GMT
#1345
I don't get it. How can you afford higher education if you can't afford to feed yourself? I really don't understand. Honestly speaking, you shouldn't be paying for higher education if you can't feed yourself. Nobody is forced to pay for higher education. I really don't have much sympathy for those who choose a lifestyle without monetary allowance.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15478 Posts
April 03 2018 16:57 GMT
#1346
On April 04 2018 01:55 Slaughter wrote:
If you are living on campus with a meal plan your use of money shouldn't be an issue since the meal plan you paid for should never have you go hungry.


True. At my university, the meal plan was insanely expensive, though. It ended up being like $6-7/meal.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-03 17:12:47
April 03 2018 17:08 GMT
#1347
On April 04 2018 01:52 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2018 01:29 Plansix wrote:
The hidden crisis on college campuses: 36 percent of students don’t have enough to eat

Caleb Torres lost seven pounds his freshman year of college — and not because he didn’t like the food in the dining hall. A first-generation college student, barely covering tuition, Torres ran out of grocery money halfway through the year and began skipping meals as a result.

He’d stretch a can of SpaghettiOs over an entire day. Or he’d scout George Washington University campus for events that promised free lunch or snacks. Torres told no one what he was going through, least of all his single mom.

“She had enough things to worry about,” he said.

Now a senior and living off-campus, in a housing situation that supplies most of his meals, Torres is finally talking about his experience with the hunger problem on America’s college campuses: a quiet, insidious epidemic that researchers say threatens millions of students every year.

According to a first-of-its-kind survey released Tuesday by researchers at Temple University and the Wisconsin HOPE Lab, 36 percent of students on U.S. college campuses do not get enough to eat, and a similar number lack a secure place to live. The report, which is the first to include students from two-year, four-year, private and public universities, including GWU, found that nearly 1 in 10 community college students have gone a whole day without eating in the past month. That number was 6 percent among university students.

Researchers blame ballooning college costs, inadequate aid packages and growing enrollment among low-income students — as well as some colleges’ unwillingness to admit they have a hunger problem. College hunger is not a new issue, researchers caution. But it appears to be growing worse, and not merely because college is getting more expensive.

"Prices have gone up over time," said Sara Goldrick-Rab, a professor of higher education policy at Temple and the lead author of the report. "But the rising price is just a piece. This is a systemic problem."

Goldrick-Rab's report is based on data from 43,000 students at 66 schools and used the Department of Agriculture's assessment for measuring hunger. That means the thousands of students it classifies as having "low food security" aren't merely avoiding the dining hall or saving lunch money for beer: They're skipping meals, or eating smaller meals, because they don't have enough money for food.

On top of that, the report found, 46 percent of community college students and 36 percent of university students struggle to pay for housing and utilities. In the past year, 12 percent of community college students and 9 percent of university students have slept in shelters or in places not intended as housing, or did not know from one day to the next where they would sleep.

Measuring college hunger and homelessness is difficult. Researchers depend on universities to distribute the surveys and on a self-selecting group of students to fill them out.

Source

My grandfather talked about living off of very little while attending Brown. But that was in the 1950s when the cost of attending was peanuts compared to now. This guy was paying 53K a year to attend school and wasn't being provide with three meals a day. And the main reason this is happening appears to be because colleges administrators refuse to admit there is a problem. They will let people saddle themselves with 200K in debt that can't be discharged, but then be bothered to care if those students can't feed themselves. And none of this will be addressed by our current administration, who is more focused on making sure banks can collect on the student loans than they are at protecting debtors.
For comparison I checked my old college for the price. 7.7k a year is their highest tuition cost.
Now that ofcourse doesn't include a dorm room or anything but you can do a lot with an extra 45.3k a year.

It costs a full year's salary for a middle class person to attend that college. And that is to obtain a degree and likely enough skills to enter one profession. And there are countless people who will argue that it is a good investment and the costs are justified. They will break out a 30 year plan showing the potential earnings of the student and how the loan pays for itself so quickly. Of course all of this assumes 30 years of solid, uninterpreted work without a single crisis for that student. It is an argument that is so out of touch with reality it sounds like something the tech industry would think up.

On April 04 2018 01:55 Slaughter wrote:
If you are living on campus with a meal plan your use of money shouldn't be an issue since the meal plan you paid for should never have you go hungry.

And yet 36% of students don't eat enough, so there is clearly a problem. My bet is that the students don't take the a full meal plan because its costs a lot and isn't very good. And since these folks are 18-22 and are spending a truck load of money on these schools, maybe more responsible administrators dive in and fix the problem.
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
April 03 2018 17:18 GMT
#1348
Trump just met one of the alt-right's wet dreams. He just said he is going to send the military to guard the southern border until a wall is built. I hope he does it. Im sure it will be drama-less and highly effective.
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
April 03 2018 17:20 GMT
#1349
On April 04 2018 01:56 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
I don't get it. How can you afford higher education if you can't afford to feed yourself? I really don't understand. Honestly speaking, you shouldn't be paying for higher education if you can't feed yourself. Nobody is forced to pay for higher education. I really don't have much sympathy for those who choose a lifestyle without monetary allowance.


There are a lot of sources of funding that will cover some / all tuition. I live in a country with a terrible exchange rate to basically everywhere, but I could still likely manage to get my tuition covered to a plethora of universities around the world. For some, not many, but certainly some, I could probably get some form of rent or residence covered too.

And then I'd still be SoL cus SA Rands aren't covering jack-all in terms of living expenses in some developed nation.

And I'ma have to jump on your head here a bit, so sorry for this, but to dismiss higher education as just a lifestyle is... kinda shit. It's a serious opportunity for upward mobility, especially for bright students who can manage to get some funding. And for many such people, working a trade or office job when you are fully capable of doing something you'll find much more engaging, that would be a better use of your particular ability, could be a literally life-destroying decision. No, it's not for everyone, yes, it is over-encouraged, but that doesn't mean that there aren't many people for whom it is the best shot at a decent life.

And in the current financial reality, saving up to study is not something those people may be able to realistically do any time in the foreseeable future. Taking a chance at a good scholarship is the best chance many people might have to not live a life where every day after 30 the bridge looks better and better. Especially since you are not getting one of those if you take time off to work first (not in most cases anyway).


IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-03 17:31:10
April 03 2018 17:25 GMT
#1350
students make bad/weird decisions. i attribute most of the problem to a horrible university culture that treats students like children at a resort-park in all the wrong ways (curriculum, "safety," responsibility, grading) but takes advantage of them in all the ways that make the university money and justifies it by saying "but they're all adults here."

edit: this might not apply to community colleges, where the situation is very different from the resort-park experience of a GWU. i dont really know what the experience of most community college students is like
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23010 Posts
April 03 2018 17:35 GMT
#1351
Shutting shit down is a very underrated technique these days. Amazing how effective just refusing to put up with crap can be.

Oklahoma teachers filled the state Capitol on Tuesday, resulting in a shutdown of all entrances as law enforcement said the 101-year-old building was at capacity.

As lawmakers gathered inside the House chamber, teachers took a seat on the marble floor outside the doors, chanting "We're not leaving."

For the second day, hundreds of schools across Oklahoma remained closed as thousands of teachers gathered at the state Capitol to demand more state funding.

"I'm here for as long as it takes, I'm here for the students," said Patrika Renschen, a seventh-grade math teacher from Deer Creek. "I'm holding out hope."

During a morning session of the House, Democrats attempted to bring a repeal of the capital gains tax deduction up for a vote. But Republicans voted against the move.


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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-03 17:59:01
April 03 2018 17:55 GMT
#1352
The best part is how other teachers unions are pointing out that strikes don’t happen in states that allow for collective bargaining for civil servants. That taking away the second most powerful tool of unions just forces them to break out the big guns.

On April 04 2018 02:25 IgnE wrote:
students make bad/weird decisions. i attribute most of the problem to a horrible university culture that treats students like children at a resort-park in all the wrong ways (curriculum, "safety," responsibility, grading) but takes advantage of them in all the ways that make the university money and justifies it by saying "but they're all adults here."

edit: this might not apply to community colleges, where the situation is very different from the resort-park experience of a GWU. i dont really know what the experience of most community college students is like

My experience is 20 year old, but it was all about providing career direction and getting core classes done at low costs. The age mix is wider too. A lot of 30 and 40 year old students getting a degree or further job training.
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On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-03 18:02:22
April 03 2018 17:59 GMT
#1353
Link to what I referenced earlier. Creating a very dangerous situation if he goes through with this.



Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21538 Posts
April 03 2018 18:03 GMT
#1354
On April 04 2018 02:59 On_Slaught wrote:
Link to what I referenced earlier. Creating a very dangerous situation if he goes through with this.

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/981221207289757696

I think I trust the military more to not randomly shoot people then the police. So might be an improvement ^^
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 03 2018 18:06 GMT
#1355
I am not 100% sure the military is allowed to patrol the boarders. The national guard of a specific state could, but only if ordered by the governor. I don’t think the President has ability to deploy troops to a specific state or part of the US on a whim.
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Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8014 Posts
April 03 2018 18:13 GMT
#1356
On April 04 2018 03:06 Plansix wrote:
I am not 100% sure the military is allowed to patrol the boarders. The national guard of a specific state could, but only if ordered by the governor. I don’t think the President has ability to deploy troops to a specific state or part of the US on a whim.


Really? That sounds a bit weird. If you're in conflict or potential conflict with one of your neighbors, would the government still not be allowed to station troops there? Border patrol is the exact job most of the world's active military have at the moment.

That said, this just sounds like a completely pointless idea. What exactly are they going to do? Catch and deport them harder?
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-03 18:23:35
April 03 2018 18:20 GMT
#1357
The good news is Trump follows through with very few of the things he spouts. Chances are he never does it or runs into some hurdle which stops him (due to the incompetence part).

Imagine the shitshow if some soldier shoots a family crossing the border.
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
April 03 2018 18:20 GMT
#1358
On April 04 2018 03:13 Excludos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2018 03:06 Plansix wrote:
I am not 100% sure the military is allowed to patrol the boarders. The national guard of a specific state could, but only if ordered by the governor. I don’t think the President has ability to deploy troops to a specific state or part of the US on a whim.


Really? That sounds a bit weird. If you're in conflict or potential conflict with one of your neighbors, would the government still not be allowed to station troops there? Border patrol is the exact job most of the world's active military have at the moment.

That said, this just sounds like a completely pointless idea. What exactly are they going to do? Catch and deport them harder?


I think in war time the president cant put troops anywhere in the mainland, the difference being we are not at war
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 03 2018 18:22 GMT
#1359
On April 04 2018 03:13 Excludos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2018 03:06 Plansix wrote:
I am not 100% sure the military is allowed to patrol the boarders. The national guard of a specific state could, but only if ordered by the governor. I don’t think the President has ability to deploy troops to a specific state or part of the US on a whim.


Really? That sounds a bit weird. If you're in conflict or potential conflict with one of your neighbors, would the government still not be allowed to station troops there? Border patrol is the exact job most of the world's active military have at the moment.

That said, this just sounds like a completely pointless idea. What exactly are they going to do? Catch and deport them harder?

There are like a million exceptions, but in general the president, and by extension the federal government, is not allow to deploy troops the US army on US soil. We have a border patrol who handles that job. If they need help, the states will ask for it themselves. The president doesn’t do it for no reason.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

Unlike EU countries, we are a nation of state and each state has its own smaller part of the US military, called the National Guard. They are functionally identical to the US Army. Receive all the same training and operate within the same command structure. But they are under the command of the local governor when it comes to domestic events. Again, there are endless exceptions. But the president cannot order the army to go occupy a US city without overwhelming cause to do so.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
April 03 2018 18:52 GMT
#1360
i'm lowkey hoping this will result in a third amendment issue. the third amendment is my favorite part of the constitution.
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