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brian

United States9642 Posts

August 30 2018 16:05 GMT

#13141

jokes aside, if my math professors repeatedly said final solution in the course of teaching i would at least question why.

that had, of course, not been my experience in my ten years of secondary and tertiary education.

obviously context matters. but even so i would certainly go out of my way not to refer to any plan as a final solution, even if i werent talking about people. and have done so. perhaps i am alone in this.

Simberto

Germany11905 Posts

August 30 2018 16:27 GMT

#13142

I can see a lot of reasons to talk about a final solution with regards to maths problems. Maybe you have a complicated problem, which requires you to find multiple solutions to smaller problems, and then combine all of those partial solutions to a final solution of the complete problem. Especially if your head is in maths-space, you might not actually think about the combination of "final" and "solution" with regards to anything but maths. (It doesn't work that way in german though. There is no other context in which "Endlösung" is ever used except horrific nazi shit or bad jokes by closeted nazis.)

Maths people already have a way of using words in a slightly different (usually more exact) way than the general populace. To the point where first semester maths courses sound kind of funny to the students who are not used to language being used that way. Sadly i only have german examples of this, as all of my maths courses were in german.

Maths being really far removed from social issues and really focusing all of your brainpower to do the maths also helps with removing focus onto auxillary meanings of language, if they are not completely burned into your mind as something to always think about.

Jockmcplop

United Kingdom9881 Posts

August 30 2018 16:37 GMT

#13143

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/aug/30/boston-globe-man-arrested-death-threats-fbi-robert-chain

So it seems that the thing that everyone said would happen, has happened. This is a guy committing a crime as a direct result of Trump's overblown rhetoric of war on the press.

Trump is responsible for this.

A man has been arrested and charged with threatening to kill employees of the Boston Globe newspaper, in messages repeating Donald Trump’s claims that journalists are the “enemy of the people” and “fake news”.

Robert Chain called the Globe’s newsroom and claimed he would shoot staff members in the head, according to the FBI, which said Chain later specified that he was retaliating against the newspaper’s criticism of Trump’s attacks on the news media.

Dangermousecatdog

United Kingdom7084 Posts

August 30 2018 16:40 GMT

#13144

I've never hear of "final solution" ever being used in maths before. Lots of "final" and lots of "solution" but never together. If there are a lot of solutions, I usually read "end solution" or just simply "solution" or "answer" if it is even mentioned at all. This is in British English of course. But that's maths. It'll be indefensible for a politician to use it, just as it would be for a politician to say "monkey this up" on TV which to use as a combinations of words, as a phrase that does not actually exist.

On_Slaught

United States12190 Posts

August 30 2018 17:00 GMT

#13145

On August 31 2018 01:37 Jockmcplop wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/aug/30/boston-globe-man-arrested-death-threats-fbi-robert-chain

So it seems that the thing that everyone said would happen, has happened. This is a guy committing a crime as a direct result of Trump's overblown rhetoric of war on the press.

Trump is responsible for this.

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Im afraid it's only a matter of time before somebody goes through with this. I'd be wary if I was a journalist if/when impeachment talk gets really going post Mueller's report.

Karis Vas Ryaar

United States4396 Posts

August 30 2018 17:00 GMT

#13146

So no pay raises for federal workers in order to help the country be more financially stable. Says a 25 billion dollar raise for locality and a 2.1 percent across the board for Base general Schedule is unsustainable. Interestingly fails to say the effect of the second one in terms of actual dollars. apparently zero is the only sustainable raise. Also claims this does not fufill goals like retention and stuff. I'm also not sure how canceling a 20 percent pay raise is not going to affect the ability to attract and retain employees. If I was working somewhere and was told all pay raises had been canceled I'd prob start exploring other oppurtunities. Also ironic considering the tax cuts and their projected affect on the deficit.

brian

United States9642 Posts

August 30 2018 17:03 GMT

#13147

that seems like a total strategic disaster..

mahrgell

Germany3943 Posts

August 30 2018 17:04 GMT

#13148

But I thought the US were never doing better financially. That's what he said at every opportunity. Did he lie? Is America doing great again all fake news?

Simberto

Germany11905 Posts

August 30 2018 17:14 GMT

#13149

You don't understand post-factual facts. America is doing wonderful when it aligns with Trumps goals that it is doing good, and it is doing horrible when it aligns with Trumps goals that it doesn't do well. The status of things is not actually defined by any rational metrics, but by how it corresponds with agendas.

Liquid`Drone

Norway28831 Posts

August 30 2018 17:18 GMT

#13150

civilian federal workers already vote democrat, no?

zlefin

United States7689 Posts

August 30 2018 17:18 GMT

#13151

last I looked fed workers didn't seem that underpaid compared to the private sector; at least not for anything below the higher end managers.
what are your sources on fed to private sector pay comparisons, Karis?

Karis Vas Ryaar

United States4396 Posts

August 30 2018 17:19 GMT

#13152

On August 31 2018 02:18 zlefin wrote:
last I looked fed workers didn't seem that underpaid compared to the private sector; at least not for anything below the higher end managers.
what are your sources on fed to private sector pay comparisons, Karis?

sorry I'll take that part out since I don't really have any sources. I might have been confusing it with the higher end stuff. point taken

update.

Yeah I think I just got them confused. I got up really early today so not thinking great. I took that part out

thanks for the correction.

zlefin

United States7689 Posts

August 30 2018 17:26 GMT

#13153

On August 31 2018 02:19 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:

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yw, I checked and the search cache still has the links I used awhile ago, so I have the data handy here on fed compensation compared to private sector in case anyone's interested:
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52637
spoiler contains the graphs which are a very easy to view representation of the data
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not sure what to say, as looking at the graph is really faster/more effective than any tldr I could do.
highlights would be that fed gov't pay scales less with educational level, but starts off much higher at lower ed levels.
Also fed gov't has better benefits while salaries are fairly similar.

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

August 30 2018 17:28 GMT

#13154

On August 31 2018 02:18 Liquid`Drone wrote:
civilian federal workers already vote democrat, no?

Not really, no. The FBI is filled with Republicans. CIA too. And it doesn't matter, because the largest federal employer is the military, which is not receiving this treatment for obvious reasons.

Karis Vas Ryaar

United States4396 Posts

August 30 2018 17:30 GMT

#13155

There might also be an issue with cost of living depending on where one lives live. Both my parents work for the California State Education system and a main issue there is that if you work public school in the bay Area it's really hard to make it considering the cost of living cause it doesn't fully scale based on where you live. Not sure how relevant that is though.

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

August 30 2018 17:32 GMT

#13156

I'm not sure why their pay relative to the private sector matters. A freeze on raises means they lose money from their personal budget for every year their pay frozen.

Karis Vas Ryaar

United States4396 Posts

August 30 2018 17:35 GMT

#13157

pay relative to private section was more about the specific claims that this won't affect the ability to retain or attract new talent.

Liquid`Drone

Norway28831 Posts

August 30 2018 17:36 GMT

#13158

civilian, though. I thought that would include stuff like postal workers and maybe some hospital and teaching staff. but yeah wikipediaing it I can see that there's like department of veteran's affairs and homeland securtity employing some hundred thousands too.

Danglars

United States12133 Posts

August 30 2018 17:36 GMT

#13159

On August 31 2018 02:18 Liquid`Drone wrote:
civilian federal workers already vote democrat, no?

At high margins, yes. Look for example the voting patterns of Washington DC and surrounding metros. Also, the political donation patterns of federal public employee unions.

Mohdoo

United States15743 Posts

August 30 2018 17:39 GMT

#13160

I think this Desantis stuff is just a ploy to get democrats outraged so that the anti-pc crowd rally around desantis.

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