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On August 31 2018 06:18 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2018 06:17 Gorsameth wrote:On August 31 2018 06:04 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
it deserves about as much attention as me calling Jared Cannonier the killer gorilla. any how, the term "guerilla tennis" has been used in the past. had this commentator guy had a history of BS i could see firing him. firing him was silly.
i'm really glad Dan Shulman diversified his income and minimized his time on ESPN. good career move to avoid the idiots running ESPN as much as possible.
i'll need a flow chart informing me of what animals i'm allowed to call certain athletes. Any form of ape. I'd avoid dogs. definitely not pigs. Sylvester Ritter is the "Junk Yard Dog" Jerome Williiams is the "Junk Yard Dog" Show nested quote +On August 31 2018 06:09 Plansix wrote:
Yeah, you should avoid calling black people any form of gorilla. It’s a bad look.
But its really not that complicated. Don't call black people apes, gorillas or monkeys. generally speaking, athletes like being called various kinds of animals. what about beast? can i call a black athlete a beast? Jared wants to be called gorilla. am i allowed to call him a gorilla then? or no? i'm too lazy to research all this stuff... just PM me the excel spreadsheet and i'll have my admin assistant give me a synopsis.
you sound like your'e more interested in snarking and pretending there aren't legitimate issues than in actually trying to understand what should/should not be said.
i.e. regardless of your intent; that's what your tone is conveying.
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On August 31 2018 06:21 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2018 06:18 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 31 2018 06:17 Gorsameth wrote:On August 31 2018 06:04 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
it deserves about as much attention as me calling Jared Cannonier the killer gorilla. any how, the term "guerilla tennis" has been used in the past. had this commentator guy had a history of BS i could see firing him. firing him was silly.
i'm really glad Dan Shulman diversified his income and minimized his time on ESPN. good career move to avoid the idiots running ESPN as much as possible.
i'll need a flow chart informing me of what animals i'm allowed to call certain athletes. Any form of ape. I'd avoid dogs. definitely not pigs. Sylvester Ritter is the "Junk Yard Dog" Jerome Williiams is the "Junk Yard Dog" On August 31 2018 06:09 Plansix wrote:
Yeah, you should avoid calling black people any form of gorilla. It’s a bad look.
But its really not that complicated. Don't call black people apes, gorillas or monkeys. generally speaking, athletes like being called various kinds of animals. what about beast? can i call a black athlete a beast? Jared wants to be called gorilla. am i allowed to call him a gorilla then? or no? i'm too lazy to research all this stuff... just PM me the excel spreadsheet and i'll have my admin assistant give me a synopsis. you sound like your'e more interested in snarking and pretending there aren't legitimate issues than in actually trying to understand what should/should not be said. i.e. regardless of your intent; that's what your tone is conveying.
Lebron James objected to his friends being called a "posse" while at the same time declaring "he is the new sheriff in town".
we can go on and on nit-picking and playing word games forever. i'm done.. if u want to continue PM me.
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I must have missed the part of the match where Venus Williams ran off the court and started playing the on the streets then.
Exactly what I mean by doubling down on fake idioms.
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Folks, this what we call an argument in bad faith and is so common when discussing racism on the internet. JimmyR(as opposed to JimmiC) doesn't care about racism or if he is accidentally racist, he just wants to passive aggressively mock the entire concept and to see if he can get people who do care to explain it to him. He will promptly ignore anything anyone provides to him because, again, he doesn't really care. It is all a game to him.
When discussing racism online, it is key to understand the difference between Jimmies and tell if you are talking to a JimmyR or a JimmiC. One of them in invested and interested in understanding racism, the context surrounding it, and being critical of his own action. He is invested in not be associated with racists and is troubled that he might be, even accidentally.. The other one is simply entertaining himself by presenting faux misunderstanding, asking for advice and then mocking the response. The latter needs to be cut off quickly, because his goal is to waste your time. To see how much he can get out of you before you become annoyed, at which point he will claim victory. Your time has value so don't waste it, because every JimmyR is trying to make sure you won't have the patience to discuss racism with a JimmiC.
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Its actualy a really huge issue within African professional sports where people lie about their age in order to seem younger Its not a widespread issue but it does come up with some frequency. I don't know why it would ever get out of africa to be honest.
Edit what happened to a few posts up? I can't see a large part of its topline.
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Where dat snitch at?37103 Posts
Everyone, please ignore JJR. I will deal with him.
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Mutumbo also got the age treatment and it honestly sucks for them if teams take those rumours with any seriousness.
As far as NBA players lying about their age, the only one I know of with any degree of circumstantial evidence would be Ersan Ilyasova.
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On August 31 2018 06:28 Plansix wrote:
Folks, this what we call an argument in bad faith and is so common when discussing racism on the internet. JimmyR(as opposed to JimmiC) doesn't care about racism or if he is accidentally racist, he just wants to passive aggressively mock the entire concept and to see if he can get people who do care to explain it to him. He will promptly ignore anything anyone provides to him because, again, he doesn't really care. It is all a game to him.
When discussing racism online, it is key to understand the difference between Jimmies and tell if you are talking to a JimmyR or a JimmiC. One of them in invested and interested in understanding racism, the context surrounding it, and being critical of his own action. He is invested in not be associated with racists and is troubled that he might be, even accidentally.. The other one is simply entertaining himself by presenting faux misunderstanding, asking for advice and then mocking the response. The latter needs to be cut off quickly, because his goal is to waste your time. To see how much he can get out of you before you become annoyed, at which point he will claim victory. Your time has value so don't waste it, because every JimmyR is trying to make sure you won't have the patience to discuss racism with a JimmiC.
Why is this post glowing (yellow)? Are the aliens coming for Plansix?!
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On August 31 2018 07:19 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2018 06:28 Plansix wrote:
Folks, this what we call an argument in bad faith and is so common when discussing racism on the internet. JimmyR(as opposed to JimmiC) doesn't care about racism or if he is accidentally racist, he just wants to passive aggressively mock the entire concept and to see if he can get people who do care to explain it to him. He will promptly ignore anything anyone provides to him because, again, he doesn't really care. It is all a game to him.
When discussing racism online, it is key to understand the difference between Jimmies and tell if you are talking to a JimmyR or a JimmiC. One of them in invested and interested in understanding racism, the context surrounding it, and being critical of his own action. He is invested in not be associated with racists and is troubled that he might be, even accidentally.. The other one is simply entertaining himself by presenting faux misunderstanding, asking for advice and then mocking the response. The latter needs to be cut off quickly, because his goal is to waste your time. To see how much he can get out of you before you become annoyed, at which point he will claim victory. Your time has value so don't waste it, because every JimmyR is trying to make sure you won't have the patience to discuss racism with a JimmiC. Why is this post glowing (yellow)? Are the aliens coming for Plansix?! The post got gifted TL+
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On August 31 2018 04:43 JimmiC wrote:
I actually really hate this dog whistle thing, it makes me nervous about accidentally offending people by complimenting them.
My mother is a very outgoing senior and loves children and is a positive optimist. When she see them out with their parents and they are being well behaved she often compliments the parents on how cute and well behaved they are and asks the parents if she can give the kids a sucker. Some say yes some say no but I don't think any have been offended by hearing that their kids are cute and well behaved.
Now after reading about the articulate thing (forget about the monkey talk for a moment because to me that is a different level). I am wondering if I should advise my mother (who looks white) to only do this to white families because other races may think that calling their kids is well behaved is a back handed compliment, because they won't know that she does it to all families. Which will then push to a different kind of racism because now she is only complimenting white people. So the safest thing is just to not compliment anyone, which is sad.
My question after that long winded story is what do you advise? And if she is friendly and doesn't have tone of surprise can she continue how she is?
It's not a slippery slope where "well spoken" proceeds to spill over into every other compliment. "Well spoken" just happens to have that extra context to it that one should just step around.
I don't know if well behaved that that baggage, especially with little kids where being behaved isn't the expectation.
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Gillum doesn’t seem like the kind of candidate that can win statewide in Florida to me. Maybe in a more liberal state like Rhode Island or Massachusetts I’d give him a serious chance but Florida is a much steeper hill to climb than people realize.
You have to really appeal to an extremely wide range of people to win statewide in Florida. Young people will love him, but how is he going to sway large swaths of the moderate/independent vote while holding such extreme/socialist views? It’s a shame because DeSantis seems like a fairly terrible candidate in his own regard. Maybe I’m wrong and Gillum will win, both the governor and the senate races in Florida at least will be very interesting to follow.
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On August 31 2018 11:56 LuckyFool wrote:
Gillum doesn’t seem like the kind of candidate that can win statewide in Florida to me. Maybe in a more liberal state like Rhode Island or Massachusetts I’d give him a serious chance but Florida is a much steeper hill to climb than people realize.
You have to really appeal to an extremely wide range of people to win statewide in Florida. Young people will love him, but how is he going to sway large swaths of the moderate/independent vote while holding such extreme/socialist views? It’s a shame because DeSantis seems like a fairly terrible candidate in his own regard. Maybe I’m wrong and Gillum will win, both the governor and the senate races in Florida at least will be very interesting to follow.
We saw an interesting effect in some of the northern states where people weren't against liberal policies as a whole but more so the ones Democrats generally recommend. Some of the districts Clinton lost to Trump...she also lost to Bernie. People voting Bernie--> Trump aren't necessarily liberal or Republican per se. There is a rather large group that don't like Clinton Democrats
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So Alex Jones was ruled against by a Texas judge. This guy had people send death threats to parents whose kids were murdered... He's also facing many other lawsuits that looks like he will lose. The right are obviously seeing this as an attack on them, for what? I don't know, that guy definitely isn't right in the head, and if he is, it's like his lawyer says "He plays a character", a very dangerous one at that.
So essentially the judge isn't letting Alex Jones dismiss the cases under the "Texas Citizens Participation Act, which protects citizens’ right to free speech against plaintiffs who aim to silence them through costly litigation."
I wouldn't see why the judge would dismiss them after all, I assume 100% of the stuff he says is just false.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/30/us/politics/alex-jones-infowars-sandy-hook-lawsuit.html
A Texas judge denied the motion by the conspiracy theorist Alex Jones to dismiss a defamation lawsuit brought against him and his Infowars operation by the parents of a Sandy Hook shooting victim, in a ruling released on Thursday.
The lawsuit was filed in state district court in Austin by Veronique De La Rosa and Leonard Pozner, parents of Noah Pozner, who was 6 years old when he was killed in the 2012 mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.
On his radio broadcast and in videos, Mr. Jones for years spread bogus claims that the shooting was a “false flag,” an event staged by the government as part of an effort to confiscate Americans’ firearms, and that the parents of the children killed were “crisis actors.”
After Mr. Pozner succeeded in getting an Infowars video casting doubt on the shooting removed from YouTube, Mr. Jones showed his audience Mr. Pozner’s personal information and maps to addresses associated with his family, court documents say. Mr. Jones also falsely accused Ms. De La Rosa of participating in a faked interview with Anderson Cooper of CNN after the shooting, according to court documents.
Subsequent death threats and harassment have forced the Pozner family to move seven times. They currently live in hiding.
The Pozner case is one of three defamation lawsuits, including another in Texas and one in Connecticut, filed by relatives of nine Sandy Hook victims. Lawyers for Mr. Jones on Thursday sought the dismissal on free speech grounds of a defamation case filed with the Austin court by Neil Heslin, whose son, Jesse Lewis, was killed at Sandy Hook.
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Okay, can this guy please be bled dry of any resources he once had? I mean, he is a dsepicable bag of shit that uses hatespeech and conspiracy theories to sell products, but giving personel information of the parents of a dead child to his viewers has got to be the worst. American civil law and it's millions of reparations is ridiculous but in this case a blessing. Take that man down please 
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On August 31 2018 11:56 LuckyFool wrote:
Gillum doesn’t seem like the kind of candidate that can win statewide in Florida to me. Maybe in a more liberal state like Rhode Island or Massachusetts I’d give him a serious chance but Florida is a much steeper hill to climb than people realize.
You have to really appeal to an extremely wide range of people to win statewide in Florida. Young people will love him, but how is he going to sway large swaths of the moderate/independent vote while holding such extreme/socialist views? It’s a shame because DeSantis seems like a fairly terrible candidate in his own regard. Maybe I’m wrong and Gillum will win, both the governor and the senate races in Florida at least will be very interesting to follow.
Florida is an interesting case because it's a state that is very split between liberal and conservative, which is not usually the case. In states where conservatives easily win, I can definitely state that a progressive will do better than a moderate, because the voters will perceive liberals as representing the elites and they will react against that, even though of course republicans represent the elite a lot more than liberals do in the US; anyway, a progressive won't get that stigma.
In Florida I'm not as sure. There is still a bonus in that they get to excite a bunch of people who usually don't vote, plus given that the alternative is Trump they might not lose too many moderates in that specific election. There's a good shot but I'm not as confident that they'll succeed as I am in some other races.
Either way, it's the right path forward obviously, so it's a good thing that they get to try.
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I must admit i am afraid of those langauge things You guys are discussing right now. To me it all has this newspeak Orwellian vibe. Assigning hidden meanings to ordinary phrases, hidding messages inside plain speak. Compliments being insults and on top of that Trumpian: truth being lie, lie being truth and total disregard for facts. World political discourse is drifitng into strange place. One i am not comfortable with.
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On August 31 2018 20:45 Silvanel wrote:
I must admit i am afraid of those langauge things You guys are discussing right now. To me it all has this newspeak Orwellian vibe. Assigning hidden meanings to ordinary phrases, hidding messages inside plain speak. Compliments being insults and on top of that Trumpian: truth being lie, lie being truth and total disregard for facts. World political discourse is drifitng into strange place. One i am not comfortable with.
this stuff isn't new; well, alot of it isn't at least. There's a very VERY long history of dissimulation in political rhetoric.
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