US Politics Mega-thread - Page 653

On August 29 2018 22:49 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Didn't Roger Stone say some where Mueller is indicting Trump Jr next for lying to the FBI? I mean, speed run it is, I feel like this is all trying to happen before the midterms, just like it did before the presidential election.

My blood boils, I don't understand how some people become lawyers if they can't even spend the time researching their own "facts". I just overheard a lawyer call Gillum some racial slurs, along with having her facts about him completely wrong. I just don't get it. How do they become lawyers? Is the bar not that hard to pass?...

Gillum also ins't as establishment as you expect Tick. He's not a millionaire, so that's one. Guy grew up in one of the worst ghettos in Miami, that's two. And is a random dude who made it by doing what he speaks from what I learned about him.

On August 29 2018 23:53 zlefin wrote:

people are good at compartmentalizing. lotsa people who're very sensible in their field, but bonkers when it comes to politics.
When you overheard the lawyer saying that, where were they? there's a big difference between what people will say in random places like bars, and what they'd do in the more controlled setting of a courtroom. As long as they keep their nonsense away from the courtroom, the law doesn't mind.

On August 29 2018 23:54 Doodsmack wrote:
Looks like Trumps acolyte in FL is off to a good start. This was not a slip of the tongue. Hopefully this becomes a major story. Hard to imagine what he was thinking, other than that he thinks theres a large enough base of deplorables in FL for this to be effective.

https://twitter.com/fineout/status/1034807541061111809

On August 29 2018 23:54 ShoCkeyy wrote:


It was within her office, I just would think that even politics in the work place, especially in a law office, wouldn't be tolerated. I pretty much turned around, and told her I would take my business elsewhere from then on.

On August 29 2018 23:54 Doodsmack wrote:
Looks like Trumps acolyte in FL is off to a good start. This was not a slip of the tongue. Hopefully this becomes a major story. Hard to imagine what he was thinking, other than that he thinks theres a large enough base of deplorables in FL for this to be effective.

https://twitter.com/fineout/status/1034807541061111809

On August 30 2018 00:02 Acrofales wrote:

How is that a dog whistle? Isn't he just point blank calling Gillum a monkey?

On August 30 2018 00:02 Acrofales wrote:

How is that a dog whistle? Isn't he just point blank calling Gillum a monkey?

According to the Justice Department report and former local law enforcement officials, the purpose of most investigative holds was to obtain information from a reticent subject: a confession from a suspect, details from a potential witness, denunciations from a prospective informant. On occasion, the point was simpler: to keep a suspect from getting in the way while a detective gathered enough evidence to support an arrest warrant, the probable cause needed to arrest the suspect in the first place. Age was no limiting factor. The Justice Department found more than two dozen instances in which juveniles were subjected to investigative holds.

Detainees — even those suspected of no wrongdoing — were strip-searched, booked and thrown in a jail cell, without access to a phone or a lawyer. The intermittent interrogations that followed, the Justice Department noted in its report, carried out “under the threat of continued, secret, indefinite detention,” raised the specter of “coerced statements or false confessions” and, worse, “improper criminal convictions.”

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There has always been an element within the local law enforcement apparatus, particularly in its upper ranks, that didn’t care what courts and statutes required, say five current and former local law enforcement officials. For that set, the guiding principle was convenience. “We call it the Sovereign State of Evangeline,” one parish resident told me. “Our officials don’t follow the law. They make their own law, and we have to follow it.”

In fact, those officials even flouted their own mistaken view of the law: the 72 hours they believed to be the legal limit on holds. The Justice Department documented “several dozen investigate holds” at the Ville Platte Police Department that “extended for at least a full week.”

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Lawyers at the Civil Rights Division had received reports of similar practices throughout Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama, as well as parts of Florida. “The problem in Ville Platte is very common throughout the South,” Smith said. Indeed, court records showed the problem extended across the U.S., from Texas to Michigan and Georgia to Montana. “You would constantly see judges dropping footnotes: ‘I’m not really sure about the constitutionality of this practice, but nobody raised it,’” a former Justice Department official told me. “So, we need to raise it.”

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In its December 2016 report, the Justice Department laid out the changes it anticipated requiring of the Ville Platte Police Department and Evangeline Parish Sheriff’s Office: They would need to overhaul policies, training procedures, recordkeeping systems and internal accountability mechanisms. The plan was to implement those reforms through a consent decree, former Justice Department officials said, and in early March 2017, Civil Rights Division attorneys traveled to Ville Platte to discuss reforms with community members and local officials.

But on March 31, Sessions issued what many lawyers for the Justice Department saw as the coup de grâce to its police reform efforts. “It is not the responsibility of the federal government to manage non-federal law enforcement agencies,” the attorney general wrote in an agency-wide memorandum, which ordered a review of contemplated consent decrees. He expanded on his thinking in an Op-Ed in USA Today: “We will not sign consent decrees for political expediency that will cost more lives by handcuffing the police instead of the criminals.”

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By June 4, it was official: There would be no consent decree and no federal judge to ensure compliance. Instead, the Justice Department announced a pair of out-of-court settlement agreements with the Ville Platte Police Department and the Evangeline Parish Sheriff’s Office.

On August 30 2018 00:22 On_Slaught wrote:
'Monkey this up' isnt even a real saying. Nothing to see here... just another result of Trump's destruction of civil discourse that someone like this will stay on the ballot. Wouldn't be shocked to see Florida pick him either, tho hopefully the supposed blue wave sees to that not happening

Worth noting that DeSantis' spokesperson says it is a phrase he regularly uses. That may be so, but then id expect there should be some recording of him using it before, no?

On August 29 2018 23:38 Simberto wrote:
The basic idea is valid. Big web companies like google or facebook are in dire need of some regulations. The Trump administration should not be regulating a backyard sale, let alone anything relevant. You can see that from the start of their argument. It is not an argument about ensuring well informed voters in a functioning democracy. Or about ensuring fair competition in the news industry. Both of those would be valid reasons for looking into regulations of internet giants.

But the Trump reason is "because they say mean things about Trump". That is not a good reason for a government to be regulating things. The main value of an independent media is them being able to inform if the government does bad things. Trump makes it very clear that he sees any bad news about himself or his government as "fake", and thinks that it shouldn't exist. The government should never have the power to shut up dissenters, and i cannot see how any regulations based on such a fundamentally flawed goal could ever be sensible and in favor of the public. They will always only be in favor of the Trump clique.

What you would need to pass sensible regulations would first be a different goal, and then an institutionalized way to make sure that the regulations actually serve that goal, and not the goal of turning media into government propaganda. I do not see anything related to Trump as capable of that.

On August 30 2018 00:19 ShoCkeyy wrote:


Here is the actual video where is says it:

https://twitter.com/stevemorris__/status/1034800249985003521

He tries to use the term in a non derogatory way, but it just doesn't come off as such. He talks about Rick Scotts accomplishments, as if he has any other than make small business taxes low, and fucking up our ocean waters; then goes on to talk about how FL is going in the right direction already. HOW? WE HAVE THE MOST MASS SHOOTINGS THIS YEAR SO FAR...

The people that they're clearly trying to reach are the racists, the one's that want progress as long as a white man does it. Adam Putnam would of done a better job of not speaking like this. Even though I don't approve of him either.

On August 30 2018 01:52 Broetchenholer wrote:


I have to say the articulate thing did not come off as racist to me, i received it as an explanation of his victory in the democratic primary. My enemy is articulate and charismatic, but he is still a socialist and we have to be careful. The monkeying it up thing though is ridiculous, even if it wasn't calculated or involunatry racism breaking through, a politician that uses a phrase like that unintentionally without realizing what he just said is terrible at his job. And then he probably knew exactly what he wanted to say and said it.