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Uldridge
Belgium4946 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23450 Posts
Doesn't work as well in text, but here's a basic transcript of the important bit+ Show Spoiler + I'll tell you a story... once me and my conservative friend we were walking down the street in New York City in front of us was walking a woman in very high heels. As far as I could tell she was trans. Now at some point this woman, she tripped on her right heel, she fell into the street right as a bus was approaching! My conservative friend ran into the street scooped her up just in the nick of time, helped her on her feet, sent her about her way, and then he turned to me and was like "that's why men shouldn't wear heels!" it was a lot of things all at once, and I want to be clear I think there a shitty thing to do, but if I had been alone I would have been like oh no........ she's dead You can't understand it unless you can understand why someone would vote for the conservative friend over the comedian based on the scenario described. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8149 Posts
On November 05 2025 04:27 GreenHorizons wrote: I think this comedian does a good job of capturing the essence of what actually makes someone want to vote Republican over Democrat. https://youtu.be/SwpW4rEzNGM?si=RmzclnJ-W7Vpz02O&t=757 You can't understand it unless you can understand why someone would vote for the conservative friend over the comedian based on the scenario described. Ok, but why are we acting like Trump is that conservative friend, and not the guy who would let the trans woman die and then loudly proclaim she deserved it, while simultaneously starting a trade war with the literal entierty of the world? | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia880 Posts
It's not something they are willing to discuss or internalize, they will chew your ear (or eyes I guess) off going into minutia of specific bills or what Obama said in 2014 but are absolutely unwilling to give any scrutiny to the objectively unprecedented shit that is happening at the moment. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23450 Posts
On November 05 2025 04:46 Jankisa wrote: Yeah, but you will notice that despite this conundrum, the one of "can you please just for once stop being so myopic and tribal and criticize your side for once" being brought up so, so many times in this thread the resident right wingers will just disappear or change the subject. It's not something they are willing to discuss or internalize, they will chew your ear (or eyes I guess) off going into minutia of specific bills or what Obama said in 2014 but are absolutely unwilling to give any scrutiny to the objectively unprecedented shit that is happening at the moment. To what end? Which of their goals do you believe it would help them achieve more effectively than not doing so does? | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28705 Posts
On November 05 2025 03:04 WombaT wrote: Oddly enough I was initially going to include that exact analogy in my last post haha haha I thought about it too, before reading Kwark's post, along the lines of 'I mean I can get behind my team diving once to win an important trophy, but if they keep diving all the time I'm gonna stop supporting them'. That said if you're a fascist then the analogy doesn't work out because you don't give a shit about preserving the legitimacy of the league or democracy or political institutions and if you're constantly fighting an existential battle then the only thing that matters is that you keep winning. | ||
KwarK
United States43201 Posts
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Jankisa
Croatia880 Posts
On November 05 2025 05:05 GreenHorizons wrote: To what end? Which of their goals do you believe it would help them achieve more effectively than not doing so does? I don't know, how about because this is an internet forum and we are all relatively normal people who are capable of self reflection and thinking, so I would except that these people who are obviously relatively well informed, have been paying attention to politics and at least somewhat care about the future of their country and the world might find it in themselves to actually, at least once, at least a little bit take the time and say fuck these policies, this is scary, this goes against the constitution, the founders, whatever. I don't even care what their underlining motivation for doing that might be, fuck, man, even if it's "we should criticize and resist this so the next Democratic regime can't do this shit to us" would be good. That would maybe give me hope that this is possible on a larger, societal level and the future might not be as bleak and shitty as it's looking right now. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25975 Posts
On November 05 2025 05:11 Liquid`Drone wrote: haha I thought about it too, before reading Kwark's post, along the lines of 'I mean I can get behind my team diving once to win an important trophy, but if they keep diving all the time I'm gonna stop supporting them'. I wasn’t specifically going to with with that exact angle, I was gonna go with your big rival going bankrupt or being very diminished and how you’d approach that in that context :p The myopic fan welcomes it, the person who values the whole tapestry doesn’t. Conservatives may be my political rival as it were, but there are many of em around. I’d rather win on the pitch than have Conservative FC as it were go insolvent. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23450 Posts
On November 05 2025 05:39 Jankisa wrote: I don't know, how about because this is an internet forum and we are all relatively normal people who are capable of self reflection and thinking, so I would except that these people who are obviously relatively well informed, have been paying attention to politics and at least somewhat care about the future of their country and the world might find it in themselves to actually, at least once, at least a little bit take the time and say fuck these policies, this is scary, this goes against the constitution, the founders, whatever. I don't even care what their underlining motivation for doing that might be, fuck, man, even if it's "we should criticize and resist this so the next Democratic regime can't do this shit to us" would be good. That would maybe give me hope that this is possible on a larger, societal level and the future might not be as bleak and shitty as it's looking right now. Drone's response pretty much sums up my thoughts. On November 05 2025 05:11 Liquid`Drone wrote: + Show Spoiler + haha I thought about it too, before reading Kwark's post, along the lines of 'I mean I can get behind my team diving once to win an important trophy, but if they keep diving all the time I'm gonna stop supporting them'. That said if you're a fascist then the analogy doesn't work out because you don't give a shit about preserving the legitimacy of the league or democracy or political institutions and if you're constantly fighting an existential battle then the only thing that matters is that you keep winning. They're in an existential fight for white supremacist capitalist hegemony and they don't see anything to be gained from giving you that comfort. | ||
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