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On_Slaught
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Plansix
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Lmui
Canada6215 Posts
On August 22 2018 05:18 Stratos_speAr wrote: The problem is that if you can't bike for several months (in Minnesota this can reach upwards of 6 months, depending on the severity of winter), then you still have to own a car. If most of the population has to still use a car, then significant infrastructure has to be tailored towards people using cars and not public transportation, bike paths, etc. Not only this, but bikers are the absolute worst in the city. This whole thing with biking causes HUGE political arguments, since bikers slow down traffic all the time and regularly ignore traffic laws without any punishment. This ignores the fact that Americans commute significantly more than Europeans, meaning you need to cover more distance with infrastructure than in Europe. This also eliminates the possibility of biking for many workers. We also didn't address the fact that one of the reasons that Americans need to commute so far is that rent prices are ridiculously high in most metro areas to the point that workers can't afford them. If you have a ton of single family homes, that take up a lot of land area, it's not a transit viable community. It's a mixture of density requirements, spread out destinations and poor city planning. A good read if you have some time to spare. https://www.translink.ca/-/media/Documents/plans_and_projects/transit_oriented_communities/Transit_Oriented_Communities_Primer.pdf In Vancouver, we've put in a ton of bike lanes, resulting in a network with good separation between drivers/bikers, as well as high bike utilization. The city's bike share program had ~110k bike rides in July. https://vancouver.ca/files/cov/map-cycling-vancouver.pdf This is for a fairly dense city oriented around public transit/biking with no highway/freeways. Looking at it another way, if you have to drive 15 minutes on the highway to work, that's a really really long way to bike. 15 minutes at 80mph is 20 miles. That's a good 45+ min of bike riding for someone in pretty good shape and probably 60+ min for most people, on a good road bike. If you're driving any longer than that on the highway, biking gets increasingly impractical. | ||
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On_Slaught
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This is all there is atm: This is a big deal. Given how rough the judge was on the prosecutors there is a low chance of this being overturned on appeal. Manafort may now be looking to deal to avoid dying in prison. | ||
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Plansix
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And people need to temper their expectations on how fast the jury is going to decide this a case of this nature. The Judge told them to take their time. And it is unlikely that the prosecution will get a guilty verdict on all 18 of the charges. Edit: See, there we go. Guilty on 8 counts. They can go after him for the other 10 in a new case. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15723 Posts
On August 22 2018 05:47 On_Slaught wrote: Breaking news for real, per AP! Manafort guilty on 8 counts!! Mistrial on other 10. Will get link in sec. This is all there is atm: https://twitter.com/AP/status/1032004785854144512 This witch hunt is weirdly productive. It's almost like there is a ton of good reason for it to exist. | ||
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Plansix
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Source Details are incoming, but I think we all know what this is pertaining to. | ||
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ticklishmusic
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On August 22 2018 05:57 Plansix wrote: Cohen just plead guilty to making illegal payments at direction of candidate to influence election in his plea deal. It's raining good news today. Source Details are incoming, but I think we all know what this is pertaining to. It was clearly Hillary Clinton. shakes fist at the deep state Campaign finance violations seem pretty pedestrian in the grand scheme of things, but what a world we live in. The president was just thrown under the bus by his own long-time attorney and business partner. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On August 22 2018 05:57 Plansix wrote: Cohen just plead guilty to making illegal payments at direction of candidate to influence election in his plea deal. It's raining good news today. Source Details are incoming, but I think we all know what this is pertaining to. Big day for the career criminals Trump chooses to surround himself with. Interesting that Cohen pleaded guilty to a crime that necessarily means Trump committed the same crime (assuming you accept the legitimacy of the charge and the truth of Cohen's plea). | ||
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Plansix
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Mueller be like "Folks this isn't even my final form." On August 22 2018 06:06 Doodsmack wrote: Big day for the career criminals Trump chooses to surround himself with. Interesting that Cohen pleaded guilty to a crime that necessarily means Trump committed the same crime (assuming you accept the legitimacy of the charge and the truth of Cohen's plea). Edit: It appears there is no plea agreement to assist prosecutors, he is just pleading guilty. His master plan escapes me, beyond taking a shot at Trump on his way down. | ||
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Plansix
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On August 22 2018 06:13 zlefin wrote: Is 4 days enough deliberation time? for a case of this magnitude; it seems odd to declare a mistrial on some of the counts after only 4 days; rather than trying to deliberate longer. If the jury is dead locked on the charges, there isn't much the judge can do. They need a unanimous verdict, so there isn't much point to prolonging the deliberation if a set of jurors has already decided the evidence isn't sufficient. | ||
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zlefin
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On August 22 2018 06:17 Plansix wrote: If the jury is dead locked on the charges, there isn't much the judge can do. They need a unanimous verdict, so there isn't much point to prolonging the deliberation if a set of jurors has already decided the evidence isn't sufficient. the judge doesn't often insist the jurors take some more time to discuss it? (especially when it seems like they haven't been out that long; to me 4 days doesn't seem long given the complexity of the case and the numerous different charges). will we get details on what how many jurors went each way on each of the disputed verdicts? | ||
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On_Slaught
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On August 22 2018 05:57 Plansix wrote: Cohen just plead guilty to making illegal payments at direction of candidate to influence election in his plea deal. It's raining good news today. Source Details are incoming, but I think we all know what this is pertaining to. It is worth noting that his deal does not involve a requirement to cooperate with prosecutors. Given how sweat the deal appaears to be he likely already given them what they want. It's been clear for weeks that he is cooperating with prosecutors. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On August 22 2018 06:08 Plansix wrote: The campaign finance violation is a thousand times more serious that lying under oath about a BJ; that got Billy impeached and censured. And that is a whole separate crime from the whole obstruction case. Which is a whole separate crime from receiving material support from a foreign goverment to win an election. Mueller be like "Folks this isn't even my final form." Edit: It appears there is no plea agreement to assist prosecutors, he is just pleading guilty. His master plan escapes me, beyond taking a shot at Trump on his way down. It would seem that the campaign finance charge against Cohen is equally valid against Trump. I'm not sure what it means for trump though. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 22 2018 06:21 zlefin wrote: the judge doesn't often insist the jurors take some more time to discuss it? (especially when it seems like they haven't been out that long; to me 4 days doesn't seem long given the complexity of the case and the numerous different charges). will we get details on what how many jurors went each way on each of the disputed verdicts? I would need to check, but I believe we get the split, but no details on how specific jurors decided on each count. We don't get to know who the jurors are either, as they are entitled to privacy. | ||
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Velr
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WHY? seriously... is america just one big reality tv show or what is wrong with you? | ||
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On_Slaught
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On August 22 2018 06:24 Doodsmack wrote: Trump is currently en route to a rally in West Virginia. Looking forward to the verbal dysentery that will be coming out of Trumps rally tonight. I might even watch it live, despite the brain cells I will be sacrificing. Hes got to be very mad. No doubt Mueller and Co. will be taping the rally tonight. Given the emotions surrounding this issue for Trump there is a high likelihood he says something horrible. Wouldn't be surprised if he asks the crowd if he should pardon Manafort. Hell, I wouldnt be surprised if he pardons him mid-speech. He is nothing if not rash. Also some specifics on Manafort. Found guilty on 5 charges of tax fraud, 2 charges of bank fraud, and 1 of hiding a foreign bank account. He could get up to 80 years on these charges alone! | ||
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