EPTUS Politics Mega-thread - Page 630
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JimmiC
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Plansix
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On August 22 2018 03:33 JimmiC wrote: But do you bike anywhere? I don't and my family has 2 cars, and some around us have 3-4 cars. Where I live if there was better bike pathing we could easily go down to one car. Would we? I doubt it we can afford it and it is the lifestyle we are used too. The amount of Cars needed in the US could easily be cut in half. My wife and I work in two separate cities that are literally in opposite directions, so we need two cars. And biking is fine, I do it all the time. | ||
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JimmiC
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Wolfstan
Canada605 Posts
We just had a 2 page discussion of all the geographic locations we have experienced living in and personally don't want to live within 1000 km of my hometown. Are there really people that are forced to live across the street from their parents in the same neighborhood they grew up in? | ||
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farvacola
United States18838 Posts
It's certainly common enough to render simple carpooling plans complicated in many cases. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On August 22 2018 03:39 Wolfstan wrote: How the fuck is segregation a thing still down there? Is it just a white privilege thing? I really never understood when people mention "black" neighborhoods like you have to be a certain color to live there. We just had a 2 page discussion of all the geographic locations we have experienced living in and personally don't want to live within 1000 km of my hometown. Are there really people that are forced to live across the street from their parents in the same neighborhood they grew up in? it's unforced segregation. Even without any legal pressures; self-segregation can occur through natural processes (in part due to the starting conditions of long ago segregation). I could dig up some research/numbers if you want. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
Combined with the ominous news about Manafort's likely pending guilty verdict, this isnt a good day for Trump. Source: Edit: I should note this deal appears to be with SDNY and not Mueller directly. Still bad news because that info will be shared and their findings will be just as impactful as Muellers. Also, technically this is only news of a plea deal. However it strains credulity to think they would offer such a deal without something in return. We will find out later today more info. Hard to believe he has nothing of value either... unless they got everything they want from the raid and dont need him. | ||
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farvacola
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On August 22 2018 03:41 On_Slaught wrote: Big news: Cohen has officially flipped. Expect him to talk about any number of illegal things Trump did to avoid spending decades in prison. Trump was adamant be wouldnt flip. We will likely see why he was scared of the possibility soon. Combined with the ominous news about Manafort's likely pending guilty verdict, this isnt a good day for Trump. Source: https://twitter.com/HuffPost/status/1031972467164803072 And he just surrendered to the FBI, pending a plea deal that will be announced at 4PM. Omarosa has some juicy stuff, but I'm sure it pales in comparison to what Cohen has. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On August 22 2018 03:45 ticklishmusic wrote: And he just surrendered to the FBI, pending a plea deal that will be announced at 4PM. Omarosa has some juicy stuff, but I'm sure it pales in comparison to what Cohen has. I can finally join the internet and start interpreting MAGA as "My Attorney Got Arrested" and have it hold up under scrutiny! Glorious day indeed. | ||
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JimmiC
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
My next door neighbors are a nurse and an engineer, they do not work in the same city. Our close friends we visit weekly are an esthetician and bread delivery man. They do not work in the same town either. I don’t know any couple that has one car and lives in the suburbs. It is the norm. | ||
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JimmiC
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Plansix
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On August 22 2018 04:01 JimmiC wrote: I know it is not the norm to have 1 car, that is basically the whole point of the discussion. LOL I was simply answering the question you asked. I would love to take public transportation to work every day, but there is no direct line into the city where I work. And I don’t think there would be enough people from my area to justify one. The suburbs around major cities are so dispersed that public transportation isn’t viable. | ||
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JimmiC
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 22 2018 04:15 JimmiC wrote: Yes! And this why this started with better city planning! My issue with that line of reasoning is that people are assuming this was planning at all. The town I live in was never really a suburb of Boston, it serves as one simply due to the sprawl and high living costs of the city and surrounding area. It is outside of what would be traditionally known as the suburbs of Boston(outside highway 95) by a good distance. But as Boston continues to sprawl outwards, the surrounding towns grew on their own. The working class residents moved farther out of those areas and into towns like mine. Now those towns have people comminuting both into Boston and the towns that surround Boston that never had infrastructure built around them for the 60 or so years since we created the Mass Pike. When you say the US needs better city planning, I think it missing a larger problem that we are devoid of any large scale projects like the ones from the 1950s through the 1970s. We just stopped building out our cities and planning in any holistic fashion. So you are right that we need better city planning, because anything is better than nothing. | ||
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JimmiC
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Plansix
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This article is really stark and provides bleak view of how Facebook has driven the most negative and harmful aspects of our politics to the right to the front of the line. How rather news on the highest engagement meant that a minority of hateful anti-immigrant users could dominate the platform and narrative about immigration. By design, they profit from our worst impulses, while also acting as a news news platform. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On August 22 2018 01:24 Liquid`Drone wrote: My dad used to bike to work every day of the year, about 15 km each way, living north of Anchorage. Meters upon meters of snow actually isn't the worst - as long as shit is getting plowed regularly. I mean, don't get me wrong. I agree you can't really bike if it's too cold, and I can agree that you can't really bike if it's too hot. But the weather is at most an excuse for a couple of the months of the year where americans don't use bikes much. The problem is that if you can't bike for several months (in Minnesota this can reach upwards of 6 months, depending on the severity of winter), then you still have to own a car. If most of the population has to still use a car, then significant infrastructure has to be tailored towards people using cars and not public transportation, bike paths, etc. Not only this, but bikers are the absolute worst in the city. This whole thing with biking causes HUGE political arguments, since bikers slow down traffic all the time and regularly ignore traffic laws without any punishment. Yes! And this why this started with better city planning! This ignores the fact that Americans commute significantly more than Europeans, meaning you need to cover more distance with infrastructure than in Europe. This also eliminates the possibility of biking for many workers. We also didn't address the fact that one of the reasons that Americans need to commute so far is that rent prices are ridiculously high in most metro areas to the point that workers can't afford them. | ||
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
A bike lane with a fast and a slow lane, i.e. Dedicated space for the cyclist as well as minimal integration of cyclists' needs into planning procedures do go a very long way. And you're entirely right that no concept fits all cases but in not even trying to think out of the box the US is gonna stay behind in modern urban living and mobility concepts. For longer distances and older folks ebikes can mean a significant change of perspective on mobility. Even if your employer doesn't offer showers, with an ebike cycling in some summer conditions can be manageable. The status quo shouldn't be used as an argument for the restriction of future planning. While it is sensible to take it into account, some mistakes are just costly to rectify. | ||
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