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Sermokala
United States14113 Posts
The time he files for relelection as well is ilrelevent. Until a president says hes not running for a second term its always assumed he will. f | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On August 22 2018 10:19 Sermokala wrote: Its pretty silly to say that there isn't at the very least some element of campaigning for the next election by any elected official. Positioning yourself for the next election is the basic practical foundation for the way any politician works. The time he files for relelection as well is ilrelevent. Until a president says hes not running for a second term its always assumed he will. f It isn't irrelevant. Permanent campaigns are not new. Trump's "4 year in advance" rallies are completely new because: 1) they're private events funded by campaign donations and not the Whitehouse, meaning he can intentionally gate who is allowed in 2) since they're explicitly run by Trump's campaign, there's far fewer restrictions on what he can say and do 3) he can use this information to build up voter information databases four years in advance 4) he can explicitly ask for donations for his 2020 bid like a million years in advance Like, his campaign is pretty open about why his campaign is constantly organizing these rallies. I'm not really reading between the lines or anything, these four points are their main justifications for why they're not doing the traditional Whitehouse organised public events that every other past president did. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14113 Posts
People file for office all the time with no intent to actually run when the deadline comes. Its just a form you can file for the fundraising purposes. I don't see how campaign donations is any more shady then backroom donations to a political party. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Also Trump is using campaign funds to pay for his legal fees, which is also shady. There is no justification for Trumps use of the office of the President for personal enrichment, including his plans to fund raise for 4 years so he can funnel that money into the Trump organization. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
They just (two weeks ago) casually blew up a school bus in Yemen, leaving 51 people (mostly children) dead. Given US involvement in this war, does anyone know if this was covered in US media? | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8077 Posts
Note that I don’t even think it would be a good thing, considering the guy next in line is a Handmaid’s Tale villain. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On August 22 2018 17:43 Biff The Understudy wrote: Isn’t it becoming more and more likely that Trump won’t finish his term anyway? Unless Cohen lied while pleading guilty, we know Trump commited at least one serious crime during his campaign; if the democrats win the mid term as it looks they will, what would prevent the republican congressmen to tirn on Trump? Note that I don’t even think it would be a good thing, considering the guy next in line is a Handmaid’s Tale villain. Be honest: do you see the Republicans impeaching Trump over this? After all the propoganda, after how hard they've gone on in the witch hunt talk, after they've convinced their core base that Trump is a poor innocent victim being attacked by the mean government he runs? Faux News would eviscerate them. It'd be party-wide career suicide. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8255 Posts
On August 22 2018 17:58 iamthedave wrote: Be honest: do you see the Republicans impeaching Trump over this? After all the propoganda, after how hard they've gone on in the witch hunt talk, after they've convinced their core base that Trump is a poor innocent victim being attacked by the mean government he runs? Faux News would eviscerate them. It'd be party-wide career suicide. It is very possible Democrats will have majority after this fall's election. At which point it doesn't really matter what Republicans think (To my knowledge anyways, correct me if I'm wrong). | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8077 Posts
On August 22 2018 18:06 Excludos wrote: It is very possible Democrats will have majority after this fall's election. At which point it doesn't really matter what Republicans think (To my knowledge anyways, correct me if I'm wrong). You are wrong; you can’t remove a president from office with a simple majority. Democrats would need the support from a large number of R congressmen to impeach Trump. I just wonder if the GOP won’t start to think they have more to lose by supporting him than by turning against Trump if the mid term is a blue wave. Time will tell. In a way, I would rather Trump stay in power, because he is damaging the GOP brand in a probably irreversible way. And because Pence manages to be somewhat even more horrifying than him. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On August 22 2018 20:10 Biff The Understudy wrote: You are wrong; you can’t remove a president from office with a simple majority. Democrats would need the support from a large number of R congressmen to impeach Trump. I just wonder if the GOP won’t start to think they have more to lose by supporting him than by turning against Trump if the mid term is a blue wave. Time will tell. In a way, I would rather Trump stay in power, because he is damaging the GOP brand in a probably irreversible way. And because Pence manages to be somewhat even more horrifying than him. An easy thing to say from France. I agree overall, but it's a pain in the ass to live under. | ||
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brian
United States9641 Posts
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On August 22 2018 20:10 Biff The Understudy wrote: You are wrong; you can’t remove a president from office with a simple majority. Democrats would need the support from a large number of R congressmen to impeach Trump. I just wonder if the GOP won’t start to think they have more to lose by supporting him than by turning against Trump if the mid term is a blue wave. Time will tell. In a way, I would rather Trump stay in power, because he is damaging the GOP brand in a probably irreversible way. And because Pence manages to be somewhat even more horrifying than him. It took 4 months from the release of Kenneth Starr's report to begin the impeachment trial against Bill Clinton. It's all hanging on what Mueller finds and when the public finds out about it. Obviously nothing will happen as long as the Republican's control the house. Most likely nothing will happen if it reaches the Senate. Fun thing to note, Clinton saw the highest approval ratings of his presidency during his whole scandal and impeachment. Yes, his approval rating spiked while he was being impeached. I believe the public thought the GOP wasn't respecting the office of the President by putting him through all that for lying about a blowjob. Better hope the Democrat's have better optics if they go through with it. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Now the mid terms, budget fight in September and Supreme Court nomination are another story. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22345 Posts
On August 22 2018 21:50 Tachion wrote: Well fortunately Trumps crimes will be a bit bigger then lying about a blowjob.It took 4 months from the release of Kenneth Starr's report to begin the impeachment trial against Bill Clinton. It's all hanging on what Mueller finds and when the public finds out about it. Obviously nothing will happen as long as the Republican's control the house. Most likely nothing will happen if it reaches the Senate. Fun thing to note, Clinton saw the highest approval ratings of his presidency during his whole scandal and impeachment. Yes, his approval rating spiked while he was being impeached. I believe the public thought the GOP wasn't respecting the office of the President by putting him through all that for lying about a blowjob. Better hope the Democrat's have better optics if they go through with it. I however suspect he would indeed see a spike as Republicans rally around 'their guy'. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France8077 Posts
On August 22 2018 20:39 Gahlo wrote: An easy thing to say from France. I agree overall, but it's a pain in the ass to live under. Oh i meant in the alternative between Trump and Pence. Of course I would also rather not have my eyes bleeding every time I open the news.. But between a sleazy, slightly deranged conman and a religious fanatic, I would chose the first one every day of the week and twice on sunday. | ||
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