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Plansix
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Biff The Understudy
France8201 Posts
On August 23 2018 03:34 Gorsameth wrote: McGahn or Cohen defecting is big/weird. But a person in their position spending 30h in interviews with the prosecutor once they flip doesn't sound that improbable to me. It’s also unusual that a president treats his lawyer the way Trump has treated Cohen. Unless he has some weird masochistic disorder, it’s unlikely that Cohen will chose his loyalty to Trump against years if not decades in prison. And I think he has better odds of getting a deal with the justice system than to expect a pardon, which imo is not happening unless Trump finally totally loses it. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On August 23 2018 03:39 Plansix wrote: McGahn is an attorney and knows what he is required to answer in the absence of the President asserting executive privilege. Since Trump never did it, McGahn had no choice to answer everything. People need to remember that McGahn doesn’t work for Trump and is just like any other witness. The only way he could limit his testimony is if Trump asserted executive privilege, but Trump needs to provide clear direction to McGahn about what he cannot and cannot answer. So, too little too late probably? I can't imagine you can retroactively say something is executive privilege? | ||
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6642 Posts
On August 23 2018 03:34 Gorsameth wrote: McGahn or Cohen defecting is big/weird. But a person in their position spending 30h in interviews with the prosecutor once they flip doesn't sound that improbable to me. Cohen simply didn't have any choice, they raided his office, they got everything and are willing to throw the book at him if he doesn't cooperate. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
if cohen doesn't have additional goodies, he aint getting a good plea deal. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
This is a clear case that Trump’s plan to ignore all the rules and standards backfiring in his face. Have no doubt that McGahn or other tried to get Trump to assert privilege, but he couldn’t bothered. Or his legal team didn’t think necessary because Trump kept telling them he had nothing to hide, which is its own problem. Don’t lie to your attorneys about if you committed crimes or have criminal exposure. On August 23 2018 04:30 ticklishmusic wrote: the question to me is how much can cohen add? they already seized so much material. what else can he tell them, or are there other documents he could hand over to help with the various investigations? if cohen doesn't have additional goodies, he aint getting a good plea deal. They need someone to attest to that the evidence is legit, which Cohen could do. Edit: Farv beat me to it. | ||
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On August 23 2018 05:11 Doodsmack wrote: The walls are closing in. Trump did not want Cohen to flip. All of these legal cases are converging and it will soon be impossible to deny that Trump is a criminal; the only defense is that "everyone else does it too." I just want to know what cohen has to say about "conspiracy to collude." https://twitter.com/Fahrenthold/status/1032353331690254336 I can't help but assume the Trump foundation, when investigated to the fullest extent, with Cohen leading them in all the right directions, isn't going to hold up very well. It's funny to see just how many people were simply not prepared for the scrutiny of public service. Imagine what Manafort, Gates, Cohen, Flynn would all be doing right now if Trump was never elected president. So many lives were totally ruined because Trump got elected. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On August 23 2018 06:58 Mohdoo wrote: Cohen's Trump org subpoena in NY is probably not going to go well for the Trump family. It's kind of amazing watching this tower collapse. Yes, it isn't going to get any better for Trump. The most recent polling is not good for the Reps: News Corp in general actually have very good pollsters, regardless the political affiliation of their political party. In this poll they found: - Most important issues are Health Care, Control of the House then Economy in terms of importance. - ACA has an approval rating is +7, their biggest legislation (tax bill) is underwater at -1. - Mitch McConnell is the most hated politician in the US at -30. Reps are -17 and Dems are +4. Of specific note, opinion on Mueller has moved from +8 in July to +22 in August. That's a pretty huge shift in public opinion, probably because this witch hunt seems to be producing witches. At this point, there's no way Trump can interfere with Mueller without suffering significant backlash. I have to wonder if he'd have more luck hiding his legal problems if his base of operations wasn't in New York, a state that has absolutely no love for him since time immemorial. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
Perhaps he hates the American IC enough that he'll never admit defeat? I feel like any powers that would help Manafort in this way would also apply to Cohen. | ||
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On August 23 2018 08:33 Mohdoo wrote: Anyone have any theories why Cohen flipped like a pancake while Manafort has shown no signs of flinching? It feels like Manafort remains confident he'll be just fine. Perhaps he hates the American IC enough that he'll never admit defeat? I feel like any powers that would help Manafort in this way would also apply to Cohen. I believe in Occam's razor. Cohen is probably pissed Trump is offering him no help or relief (since Trump doesn't show any love or loyalty), he's apparently really struggling with legal fees. Manafort on the other hand has a lot of money and assets so legal fees are less of a problem and the man just has too many shady dealings with the Russian oligarchy. Flipping would probably be a death sentence for him. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
Edit: I forgot about the Russia thing. His life could be a reason not to flip as well. We've seen what Russia does to its enemies even in foreign nations. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On August 23 2018 08:33 Mohdoo wrote: Anyone have any theories why Cohen flipped like a pancake while Manafort has shown no signs of flinching? It feels like Manafort remains confident he'll be just fine. Perhaps he hates the American IC enough that he'll never admit defeat? I feel like any powers that would help Manafort in this way would also apply to Cohen. no, but I can speculate wildly. maybe manafort simply doesn't have that much to offer? It could be that the only stuff he can offer is stuff they already have from elsewhere so he has little to bargain with. There's usually limits to how good a deal will get; maybe even a great deal for manafort would still leave him doing more time in prison than he's comfortable with. whereas Cohen, (I'm not sure of the full list of charges against him), maybe the net time on the charges is low enough that a good deal would mean he only serves a few years or something, maybe less. | ||
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