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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
Some people have lost their jobs for similar and some have kept them *shrug* up to the employer. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On August 03 2018 05:21 Toadesstern wrote: just because something isn't friendly, doesn't mean it turns into your enemy oO. The press isn't even supposed to be friendly to any one president in the first place. Assuming you're the government it's their job to criticize you when you do something wrong. There's a difference between holding a politician accountable and consistently pursuing a one-sided political agenda. The mainstream American press is guilty of the latter. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
On August 03 2018 05:24 xDaunt wrote: There's a difference between holding a politician accountable and consistently pursuing a one-sided political agenda. The mainstream American press is guilty of the latter. Would you group Fox News in with them? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23607 Posts
On August 03 2018 05:17 Tachion wrote: This Sarah Jeong story is the stuff that right wing dreams are made of. Give people with a persecution complex a legitimate reason to feel persecuted and they'll run with it till they collapse from exhaustion. Very silly not to denounce her behavior. lol. That's just it about right wing dreams, they need no basis in reality in the first place. Fox News—far above of The New York Times, CNN, and the BBC—is the most objective source, according to 24 percent Americans surveyed for the study. Although that percentage is low, the other outlets scored much lower. Fox News' rating is largely due to the network’s dominant position among Republicans (60 percent of whom say it is objective) and their near complete distrust of other sources. www.newsweek.com They had the quote that summed up my point best, but anyone looking for some perspective on US opinions on media will want to check this study out: AMERICAN VIEWS: TRUST, MEDIA AND DEMOCRACY | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 03 2018 05:24 xDaunt wrote: There's a difference between holding a politician accountable and consistently pursuing a one-sided political agenda. The mainstream American press is guilty of the latter. Or the conservative political agenda is to create a narrative of being attacked by the media to undercut their critics, promote their agenda on friendly outlets, often backed by silent billionaire patrons. It is easier to sell an agenda when you just attack everyone who isn’t pushing that agenda. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
Sure, Fox News is the conservative reflection of the mainstream media. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
On August 03 2018 05:28 GreenHorizons wrote: lol. That's just it about right wing dreams, they need no basis in reality in the first place. www.newsweek.com They had the quote that summed up my point best, but anyone looking for some perspective on US opinions on media will want to check this study out: AMERICAN VIEWS: TRUST, MEDIA AND DEMOCRACY Feelings is the big political party strategy. You can ignore facts and go after feelings and win. This was summed up best during an interview between Newt Gingrich and a reporter over the murder rate in the US. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On August 03 2018 05:15 xDaunt wrote: I have no problem with labeling the press as the enemy. Do you really think that any rational conservative would consider the NYT or CNN as being friendly to a conservative agenda? Of course not. The press as a whole is predominantly liberal if not left wing. As a result, the press as a whole has been hostile to conservative interests for generations. Trump is merely the first conservative president to point it out and act accordingly. Just wow. This is a pretty outrageous position. That somehow the standard for media should be its ability to not offend conservatives as opposed to reporting the truth is a joke. That the press is reporting things the President doesn't like makes it the enemy of the people is dangerous. Are you just going to ignore the fact that Trump thinks "negative news coverage" is fake news and that fake news is why the press is the enemy of the people? Are you just going to ignore that the reason Trump says this is not to help conservatives, but rather to make it so people dont believe negative things about him? Are you just going to ignore the damage this does to the prospect of holding the executive accountable? Sad. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 03 2018 05:30 Slaughter wrote: Feelings is the big political party strategy. You can ignore facts and go after feelings and win. This was summed up best during an interview between Newt Gingrich and a reporter over the murder rate in the US. They have been executing that plan for 2 decades now, people need to get with the program and fight fire with fire. Complaining that no one cares about facts isn’t going to make voters care about facts. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11731 Posts
On August 03 2018 05:02 GreenHorizons wrote: I already said I don't. They are only mildly funny though, so I wouldn't be giving them any prizes. I mean if you want to consider it hyperbole then that's fine. It's also an accurate term. If something more specific was used like "Auschwitz" (although "Chełmno" would be more on the nose) I'd see your point. But iirc Nazi Germany concentration camps were distinctive from death camps, which seems to be the specter you're suggesting is being invoked. I want to make two points here. The first is with regards to that distinction. Yes, there were different types of camps in Nazi Germany. There were the death camps like Auschwitz (usually in conquered territory), which had the direct goal of murdering people. And there were the other concentration camps on German soil, like for example Dachau. These did not have the explicit goal of murdering as many people as quickly as possible. But do not let this deceive you into thinking that those camps were basically normal prisons. And kind of okay places to be. Prisoners were still tortured, underfed, underclothed in the cold and had to work murderous hard labour. Out of about 200000 people who were inprisoned in Dachau, 41500 died there. So even if you were not in an explicit death camp, you still had a pretty high probability of dying there. Do not underestimate how horrible even the "normal" concentration camps were. Secondly, i do not think that legality is a problem here. As concentration camps are something organized by the state, they will almost always have some legal reason for imprisoning people. I am certain that the nazis had a nice legal reason to imprison the people that they didn't like. They were very organized. The important fact here is just because something is legal does not make it right, and just because something is illegal does not make it wrong. States usually try to match legal with right and illegal with wrong, but they often get it wrong. And sometimes they don't even try. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23607 Posts
On August 03 2018 05:32 Plansix wrote: They have been executing that plan for 2 decades now, people need to get with the program and fight fire with fire. Complaining that no one cares about facts isn’t going to make voters care about facts. Hillary Clinton should have shown Democrats that you can't just blow smoke up the far left's (or much of the country) ass like you can the far right (or center). You have to fill that empty rhetoric with substantive policy instead. Simply returning fire with reactionary nonsense is the absolute wrong way to win and isn't working re Stormy Daniels. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On August 03 2018 05:32 On_Slaught wrote: Just wow. This is a pretty outrageous position. That somehow the standard for media should be its ability to not offend conservatives as opposed to reporting the truth is a joke. That the press is reporting things the President doesn't like makes it the enemy of the people is dangerous. Are you just going to ignore the fact that Trump thinks "negative news coverage" is fake news and that fake news is why the press is the enemy of the people? Are you just going to ignore that the reason Trump says this is not to help conservatives, but rather to make it so people dont believe negative things about him? Are you just going to ignore the damage this does to the prospect of holding the executive accountable? Sad. "Reporting the truth?" Oh, please. What the press decides to report just as important as how they report it. The disparity in reporting is obvious. Trump rarely gets good press. ![[image loading]](https://mediadc.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/2d6e29f/2147483647/strip/true/crop/415x413+0+0/resize/415x413!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmediadc.brightspotcdn.com%2Fd1%2Fa1%2F66a0df135db923bbc6655795b341%2F122717-trump-pew-coverage.png) And Trump's precise motivation for attacking the press is besides the point. I agree with his attack not because of Trump, but because I have recognized the press as being biased against my political and cultural interests for as long as I have been politically aware (and even before then). What most of you still seem to miss is that Trump got to where he is today because of political conditions and temperaments in the electorate that pre-date him. Trump's political genius is in being the first conservative politician to seize upon those currents and ride them. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 03 2018 05:43 xDaunt wrote: "Reporting the truth?" Oh, please. What the press decides to report just as important as how they report it. The disparity in reporting is obvious. Trump rarely gets good press. And Trump's precise motivation for attacking the press is besides the point. I agree with his attack not because of Trump, but because I have recognized the press as being biased against my political and cultural interests for as long as I have been politically aware (and even before then). What most of you still seem to miss is that Trump got to where he is today because of political conditions and temperaments in the electorate that pre-date him. Trump's political genius is in being the first conservative politician to seize upon those currents and ride them. Trump one of the most unpopular candidates and Presidents modern US history and one time he mocked a disabled reporter by doing an impression of him during a rally. You claim that is based. I would argue that they would be lying to the public if they didn’t cover Trumps actions that way. But again, I also think this is all part of the conservative game plan, to constantly claim bias to gain more coverage and exposure. From the IRS hearings about Super PAC to complaining to Facebook about repressing conservatives. Conservatives are going to use the powers of government to assure their message is given as much exposure as possible. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14098 Posts
On August 03 2018 05:54 Slaughter wrote: As to the whole Star Wars thing. Hilariously a lot of the same criticisms about SJW stuff were also hurled at the original trilogy, just obviously before the term SJW existed. With the lack of black people and women involved? How is that even the same? A decent argument is that they replaced akbar with holdo so they could have a purple haired woman make the sacrifice play instead of an alien. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On August 03 2018 05:43 xDaunt wrote: "Reporting the truth?" Oh, please. What the press decides to report just as important as how they report it. The disparity in reporting is obvious. Trump rarely gets good press. And Trump's precise motivation for attacking the press is besides the point. I agree with his attack not because of Trump, but because I have recognized the press as being biased against my political and cultural interests for as long as I have been politically aware (and even before then). What most of you still seem to miss is that Trump got to where he is today because of political conditions and temperaments in the electorate that pre-date him. Trump's political genius is in being the first conservative politician to seize upon those currents and ride them. This presupposes that there is some large cache of positive news stories of Trump the media refuses to cover. Facts are not partisan and each side does not have access to an equal amount. That the literal majority of factual statements made by the fucking US President of all people are outright false is shocking and nobody should be surprised when the press makes a big deal about it. Also, even if all you said were true, I dont think that comes close to making them the "enemy of the people." That moniker goes better for propogantists like Sinclair, Fox and Friends, Hannity, etc. (no doubt some liberal media equivalents as well). | ||
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Sermokala
United States14098 Posts
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
On August 03 2018 05:59 Sermokala wrote: With the lack of black people and women involved? How is that even the same? A decent argument is that they replaced akbar with holdo so they could have a purple haired woman make the sacrifice play instead of an alien. Because the original had a mixed group fighting against the empire which was basically all white men so people were like "oh so white men are evil". The kinds of people who get hung up on "sjw shit ruining movies" will be triggered by almost anything. | ||
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