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On January 20 2026 17:16 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Macron told Trump that he would not join his so called council of peace, for Gaza together with all the worst people in the world, so Trump is trying again to blackmail France by taxing french wines and champagnes.
Three years of that clown show is going to be very long.
The message that Trump proudly shared of Macron treating him like something between the world's most nightmarish ex and a special needs child is truly something: https://apnews.com/article/trump-macron-message-greenland-nato-720849b026842c8a276a0aec025a8d7e
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Oh, look, a fresh "Truth" just dropped:
1 year in and the fucker is posting AI generated bullshit showing Greenland, Venezuela, Cuba and Canada as part of the USA.
This was just one in a series of shit he posted, among other things, there is this which really makes me embaressed Croatia is a part of NATO, fucking Rutte needs to go ASAP, the guy is a spineless weasel of the highest order:
The work that Trump is doing in Ukraine? What fucking work, abandoning them, taking Putin's side, inviting their aggressor to the "Peace council", stopping weapon deliveries and sticking EU with the bill? Fuck you Rutte, from all the western "leaders" you are the shittiest and most feckless, and that is saying something.
At least Macron is trying to keep some dignity:
It looks like "what you did in Syria" is another in the long line of attempts to pretend like Trump is behind every ceasefire in the world, since they just negotiated one it seems like everyone's going to pretend like Trump did it so they can blow him more effectively in Davos:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/19/syria-declares-victory-ceasefire-kurdish-led-force
I guess they are hoping this will distract him from Greenland bullshit, I'm pretty sure that it will, like every other attempt at appeasement of this peace of shit blow up in their face, please freeze me for the next 10 years so I can wake up and never see any of these "leaders" faces again.
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How did you get these messages? Trump posted these?
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On January 20 2026 22:54 Uldridge wrote:
How did you get these messages? Trump posted these?
LS just posted the AP link above 
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Okay I didn't click that but when I just did the text looks different. Those are screenshots. Is it different for mobile? Maybe I'm brainfarting hard, sorry about that.
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On January 20 2026 22:49 Jankisa wrote:
The work that Trump is doing in Ukraine? What fucking work, abandoning them, taking Putin's side, inviting their aggressor to the "Peace council", stopping weapon deliveries and sticking EU with the bill? Fuck you Rutte, from all the western "leaders" you are the shittiest and most feckless, and that is saying something.
Bearing in mind this is a private text message that Rutte probably didn't intend to be leaked, this could very easily be referring to something like Trump was planning on selling weapons to Russia and Rutte talked him out of it by appealing to his massive ego.
Not saying that to defend him, just that you need to contextualize that the way people talk to mentally ill people with nuclear weapons isn't necessarily their true feelings.
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Oh the AP source doesn't have the text in that text-message-looking-mode, if that's what you're looking for. It's simply a source
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Jankisa I don't think you understand how diplomacy works.
Rutte's job is keeping NATO intact and making sure Ukraine gets the support it needs. He is, and should, be fine with kissing Trumps ass with obvious (to everyone but Trump) bullshit if it keeps American weapons flowing into Ukraine. And when Trump does another 180 and threatens to cut them off its his job to go back in placating Trump until he changes his mind, again. And come back next week to do it again.
That's his job, it shouldn't have to be but America chose to elect a man child so there he is.
Rutte telling the US to fuck off and Trump to gargle Putin's balls doesn't help Ukraine, it does the opposite.
The world is living on the hope that the US is still somewhat of a democracy, that there will be someone after Trump and the person after Trump is likely to be slightly less insane then Trump is.
The US is and will remain an unreliable ally and the EU has to divest itself from America more but Trump is singularly unhinged.
Vance would still be terrible and do horrible things to the people of the US, but he would be better internationally then Trump, simply by virtue of not being a raving demented old orangutan.
Diplomacy is about not burning bridges.
You can cut contact with a psycho friend and most likely never see them again. The world isn't able to ignore America, no matter how much we wish we could.
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it's really an interesting dilemma/problem. a stable genius US counterpart not quite grasping he is being played and indulged to no end (up to the point of self flagellation really) from leaders of the world... then to prove the point showing the text(s) and simply oblivious to the subtext...
and said appeasement coming back full circle to bite quite hard on those same people not talking straight... as an appeased narcissist can never be satisfied - and why should he be? if he is "on paper" getting everything he wants "done super easily" and is just god's gift to the world?
I mean just look at all the winning the US is going through after just 1 year - 3 more and a decent chance of extension due to overwhelming success to go!
and Trump being Trump of course wants to share all the winning with the world too - only the US can save and defend Greenland!
the benevolent billionaire philosopher king of our time we all deserve apparently, if only to get our own reality checked.
incredible stuff lol.
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Trump has got to give up on his vanity Greenland take over plan. The only support he got is from his sick billionaire friends. The rest just think its stupid, and we can actually see through his lies and weak arguments.
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On January 20 2026 23:30 Copymizer wrote:
Trump has got to give up on his vanity Greenland take over plan. The only support he got is from his sick billionaire friends. The rest just think its stupid, and we can actually see through his lies and weak arguments.
I'm still not entirely clear if he's doing this because he needs a distraction from his utter failure of a domestic policy that even Republicans hate/the Epstein files that he's all over and breaking the law by not releasing, or because he thinks he's going to die soon and thinks some big annexation is going to be his legacy instead of "yet another failed neocon president".
There's some talk that his billionaire friends into mineral deals are goading him into this but he could easily have gotten a mining deal out of Greenland if that's what he actually wanted.
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On January 20 2026 23:23 Gorsameth wrote:
Vance would still be terrible and do horrible things to the people of the US, but he would be better internationally then Trump, simply by virtue of not being a raving demented old orangutan.
I believe you vastly underestimate his "capabilities".
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I am a lot more scares of Vance than I am of Trump.
The only reason he might be less terrible is that he doesn't have the political weight domestically. We've clearly been shown on the global stage it doesn't matter if you're a dementing fool or a mobster boss, people bend over backwards to the US, because they can do as they please.
If you want your diplomacy be that of "I could kill you if I could so why don't you cooperate", you'll get that stick back 100fold once there's the slightest show of weakness.
Apparently though, this global diplomatic theater for the last decannia has been nothing but as it seems the hegemonies are just as power hungry as ever and the small countries can do nothing but be vassals after all. Too bad, was hoping for some geopolitical win-wins, but in the toilet it goes I guess.
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The Republican base will never rally around Vance, he's never publicly admitting to sexually assaulting people.
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On January 20 2026 23:52 LightSpectra wrote:
The Republican base will never rally around Vance, he's never publicly admitting to sexually assaulting people.
good point.
though potential bonus points for Vance if, during the divorce proceedings - which seem likely - in an effort to win the good ol' white vote and marrying into an established media empire where he can be the new Captain Kirk, it comes out that he raped a woman of colour! and made her his until he didn't.
based beyond belief!
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But will they see that as just a performative rape to win votes? Remains to be seen.
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On January 20 2026 23:23 Gorsameth wrote:
Jankisa I don't think you understand how diplomacy works.
Rutte's job is keeping NATO intact and making sure Ukraine gets the support it needs. He is, and should, be fine with kissing Trumps ass with obvious (to everyone but Trump) bullshit if it keeps American weapons flowing into Ukraine. And when Trump does another 180 and threatens to cut them off its his job to go back in placating Trump until he changes his mind, again. And come back next week to do it again.
That's his job, it shouldn't have to be but America chose to elect a man child so there he is.
Rutte telling the US to fuck off and Trump to gargle Putin's balls doesn't help Ukraine, it does the opposite.
The world is living on the hope that the US is still somewhat of a democracy, that there will be someone after Trump and the person after Trump is likely to be slightly less insane then Trump is.
The US is and will remain an unreliable ally and the EU has to divest itself from America more but Trump is singularly unhinged.
Vance would still be terrible and do horrible things to the people of the US, but he would be better internationally then Trump, simply by virtue of not being a raving demented old orangutan.
Diplomacy is about not burning bridges.
You can cut contact with a psycho friend and most likely never see them again. The world isn't able to ignore America, no matter how much we wish we could.
I'm very much aware how diplomacy works, you, on the other hand don't seem to have a good grasp on what it achieved with Trump so far.
I'd love for you to prove me wrong, so, please, let me know what exactly did Rutte's rectal mountaineering achieve?
You seem to think that USA is giving weapons to Ukraine. One of the first things that Trump did was to stop aid to Ukraine.
All the weapons flowing to Ukraine are paid for by EU, none of them comes out of USA's pocket and Rutte's ass kissing had no effect on that, either way.
Trump, as authoritarian as he is, won't go against military industrial complex, and cutting off weapon sales to Ukraine would be stupid even by his measure.
Him going after Greenland is a direct threat to NATO, by fellating him Rutte is choosing sides, despite almost every other NATO member voicing everything from concern to outright hostility to these territorial pretensions from Trump, he is still kissing his ass and writing in a way that a 14 year old teenager writes to his girlfriend. If you are OK with that as a Dutch person OK, but me, as a citizen of a small NATO country, I feel he's doing an incredibly shitty job of being the leader of NATO, and if he continues with this along with others he will be the last president of NATO, because NATO won't exist after Trump seizes Greenland.
If Rutte took a normal stance, something akin to Slotenberg, who was tip toeing around Trump but never called him daddy old told him he can't wait to see him I'd be fine, that is diplomacy, this is being a terrible leader who doesn't even have an excuse of achieving something with his spinelessness.
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To be fair to Trump and moreso fair to the USA and its hard-working, tax paying citizens both Canada and Denmark have been unable to defend themselves for a very long time. They live under the largesse of the USA.
The USA/Trump no longer wishes to foot the bill for the military defence of the far north. They are playing hardball with both Canada and Greenland. meh.
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On January 21 2026 01:30 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
To be fair to Trump and moreso fair to the USA and its hard-working, tax paying citizens both Canada and Denmark have been unable to defend themselves for a very long time. They live under the largesse of the USA.
The USA/Trump no longer wishes to foot the bill for the military defence of the far north. They are playing hardball with both Canada and Greenland. meh.
Who‘s going to invade Canada if the US doesn‘t defend it ?
‚We need you to pay for defence‘
‚For what‘
‚For what we‘re going to do if you don‘t pay for defence‘
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