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On July 26 2018 00:58 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2018 21:50 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 25 2018 10:20 IgnE wrote:On July 25 2018 09:29 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 25 2018 07:37 IgnE wrote:On July 25 2018 06:30 Plansix wrote:On July 25 2018 06:07 screamingpalm wrote:On July 25 2018 06:03 Plansix wrote:On July 25 2018 05:56 screamingpalm wrote:On July 25 2018 05:52 Plansix wrote:
Medicaid for all at the state level is the only way to get the ball rolling. The federal government isn’t becoming functional in the next decade, so the state level is the only proving ground for universal healthcare available. And then when state budgets can't handle it because they are users of the currency and not the issuer, neolibs can point to it and say it won't work. This is the only plan you have right now. Or some magical way to take control of both chambers and win the white house again, while also signing everyone up for the healthcare fight of 2008 all over again. State level funding and then push for more federal dollars for the program. I wouldn't be totally against the idea, but I worry about how the political games would be played once state budgets are strained. The shit you are worried about is the same this that the traditional liberals worried about when the ACA. They were not wrong at the time, that no Republican buy in meant that they could attack the ACA for 3 full election cycles. But the difference is that our healthcare system has really started to rot under Republican governance. The mortality rate for women giving birth, the merit used for nearly a century to judge the quality of healthcare in a nation, has been going up for several years how. As long as progressive stick to the argument that its, A: The federal governments fault for playing political games with healthcare and B: Up to the states to fix the problem and the Federal government should just foot the bill, it could gain political traction. maybe the mortality rate is higher because median pregnancy age is higher? Nope. Median age of pregnancy is still low when compared to almost all other developed nations, and yet by basically every measurable index our healthcare system is horrendous. The U.S. healthcare system is just objectively terrible, and infant mortality is only one of many measurements by which this is true. There really aren't many positives to say about our system unless you're well off. maybe. but even if median pregnancy age is still low compared to other developed nations maybe our birthing mortality has also always been higher compared to other developed countries. maybe our healthcare seemed artificially better for a while because we had a much lower median pregnancy age than those countries and now that the age is creeping up the "quality" has only seemed to drop because now there are more age related complications to deal with in other words you arent making the right comparison here: age-adjusted birthing mortality within the US over time Infant mortality rate is worse with young births, not better. Infant mortality is strongly correlated with socioeconomic status, which is usually quite a bit lower for women that have children at young ages. Not only this, but the U.S.'s median age of birth (~26) is still an absolutely prime age to have children. You wouldn't see an increase in infant mortality for nearly another decade. I don't know why you brought up age with this discussion but it really doesn't factor into this. well plansix said "the mortality rate for mother's giving birth," not infant mortality. secondly, teenage pregnancy is down, such that the riskier "very young" mothers are going down, while more and more women are conceiving in their mid 30s and beyond. thirdly, a median age of 26 means that for the first time ever there are more pregnant women in their 30s than in their 20s. also see: ![[image loading]](https://mchb.hrsa.gov/whusa10/hstat/mh/images/405mmVa.gif) Source
Woops. I misread the whole thing.
Well as to mother's mortality, Plansix's post hits the nail on the head. The U.S. system is atrocious because it doesn't give a shit about mothers' health whatsoever and devotes almost no resources to their problems at all.
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Made in China: Trump re-election flags may get burned by his tariffs
FUYANG, China (Reuters) - The red, white and blue banners for U.S. President Donald Trump’s second-term campaign are ready to ship, emblazoned with the words “Keep America Great!”
But they are made in eastern China and soon could be hit by punitive tariffs of Trump’s own making as he ratchets up a rancorous trade dispute with Beijing.
At the Jiahao Flag Co Ltd in Anhui province, women operate sewing machines to hem the edges of “Trump 2020” flags the size of beach towels, while others fold and bundle them for delivery.
The factory has turned out about 90,000 banners since March, said manager Yao Yuanyuan, an unusually large number for what is normally the low season, and Yao believed the China-U.S. trade war was the reason.
“It’s closely related,” she said. “They are preparing in advance, they are taking advantage of the fact that the tariffs haven’t gone up yet, with lower prices now.”
The Trump administration has imposed tariffs on $34 billion worth of goods from China. After Beijing retaliated in kind, Washington announced levies on an additional $200 billion worth of products and threatened more, targeting potentially all of China’s exports to America - including flags.
The campaign banners highlight a paradox in China-U.S. relations under Trump.
At about $1 apiece, even suppliers to the Trump campaign, who, Yao says, are located both in China and abroad, can’t resist the low price. Yao’s factory has been making Trump banners since the time his tag line as a candidate was “Make America Great Again”.
“Sales have been great ever since 2015,” she said.
But Trump’s effort to wrest better trading conditions from China threatens that price advantage, and his hardline stance could eventually repel suppliers like Yao.
“If he continues to demand tariff increases as he has been, or if he continues to agree with those who are against China, I definitely would not be able to accept (more orders),” she said.
“Everyone can have a patriotic heart, but this won’t improve his economy, and instead it could make us Chinese just shoot ourselves in the foot.”
The Jiahao Flag Factory doesn’t only make Trump banners. It churns out American and other national flags and specialty banners, including rainbow gay pride flags.
Factory seamstress Sun Lijun is losing no sleep over the trade war, however.
“I know that Trump’s tariffs targeting China will have some effect, but we’re not worried at all, since we’re producing foreign flags every single day,” she said.
source: uk.reuters.com
nothing big or anything like that. It just made giggle as I stumbled upon this and made me wonder "do Trump supporters just not know about it or do they explain it away as a necessary evil to beat Democrats and that's why Trump is forgiven?"
Like, you read all the time about how those companies complaining about rising costs due to tariffs are unpatriotic, that they only have that issue because they're buying chinese steel (or whatever) in the first place and that they should just be patriotic enough to pay extra to support the domestic market by buying american steel instead.
So what do Trump supporters make of this kind of thing? We're talking about flags that are 1$ a piece, 90k of them, onetime.
So considering we're talking about Trump that's pennies. A big company on the other hand, hell even a medium or small one, changing their suppliers (longterm even), would have to pay way more if they're forced to switch to domestic-only goods.
And those companies that have to pay way more are the evil ones who probably get messages from hardcore Trump supporters about planned boycots or just a couple people telling them that they won't buy their products anymore because they use chinese goods.
And god-emperor Trump is okay to do this. Or how does this work?
There's also the issue of stockpiling and making big orders before tariffs come in place because they know they will be in place but I guess that's a non-issue if we're only talking about $90k here.
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On July 26 2018 03:00 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2018 00:58 IgnE wrote:On July 25 2018 21:50 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 25 2018 10:20 IgnE wrote:On July 25 2018 09:29 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 25 2018 07:37 IgnE wrote:On July 25 2018 06:30 Plansix wrote:On July 25 2018 06:07 screamingpalm wrote:On July 25 2018 06:03 Plansix wrote:On July 25 2018 05:56 screamingpalm wrote:
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And then when state budgets can't handle it because they are users of the currency and not the issuer, neolibs can point to it and say it won't work. This is the only plan you have right now. Or some magical way to take control of both chambers and win the white house again, while also signing everyone up for the healthcare fight of 2008 all over again. State level funding and then push for more federal dollars for the program. I wouldn't be totally against the idea, but I worry about how the political games would be played once state budgets are strained. The shit you are worried about is the same this that the traditional liberals worried about when the ACA. They were not wrong at the time, that no Republican buy in meant that they could attack the ACA for 3 full election cycles. But the difference is that our healthcare system has really started to rot under Republican governance. The mortality rate for women giving birth, the merit used for nearly a century to judge the quality of healthcare in a nation, has been going up for several years how. As long as progressive stick to the argument that its, A: The federal governments fault for playing political games with healthcare and B: Up to the states to fix the problem and the Federal government should just foot the bill, it could gain political traction. maybe the mortality rate is higher because median pregnancy age is higher? Nope. Median age of pregnancy is still low when compared to almost all other developed nations, and yet by basically every measurable index our healthcare system is horrendous. The U.S. healthcare system is just objectively terrible, and infant mortality is only one of many measurements by which this is true. There really aren't many positives to say about our system unless you're well off. maybe. but even if median pregnancy age is still low compared to other developed nations maybe our birthing mortality has also always been higher compared to other developed countries. maybe our healthcare seemed artificially better for a while because we had a much lower median pregnancy age than those countries and now that the age is creeping up the "quality" has only seemed to drop because now there are more age related complications to deal with in other words you arent making the right comparison here: age-adjusted birthing mortality within the US over time Infant mortality rate is worse with young births, not better. Infant mortality is strongly correlated with socioeconomic status, which is usually quite a bit lower for women that have children at young ages. Not only this, but the U.S.'s median age of birth (~26) is still an absolutely prime age to have children. You wouldn't see an increase in infant mortality for nearly another decade. I don't know why you brought up age with this discussion but it really doesn't factor into this. well plansix said "the mortality rate for mother's giving birth," not infant mortality. secondly, teenage pregnancy is down, such that the riskier "very young" mothers are going down, while more and more women are conceiving in their mid 30s and beyond. thirdly, a median age of 26 means that for the first time ever there are more pregnant women in their 30s than in their 20s. also see: Source Woops. I misread the whole thing. Well as to mother's mortality, Plansix's post hits the nail on the head. The U.S. system is atrocious because it doesn't give a shit about mothers' health whatsoever and devotes almost no resources to their problems at all.
From what I understand we are also way behind the curve on providing adequate maternity leave
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re: toades
from what little i've heard, they mostly rationalize away such things. or just ignore them by deflecting/focusing on something else (like calling it good business sense, and just ignore the contradiction entirely).
I mean, they also ignored the extent to which Trump employs foreign workers on american properties instead of letting those jobs be filled by americans.
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On July 26 2018 03:00 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2018 00:58 IgnE wrote:On July 25 2018 21:50 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 25 2018 10:20 IgnE wrote:On July 25 2018 09:29 Stratos_speAr wrote:On July 25 2018 07:37 IgnE wrote:On July 25 2018 06:30 Plansix wrote:On July 25 2018 06:07 screamingpalm wrote:On July 25 2018 06:03 Plansix wrote:On July 25 2018 05:56 screamingpalm wrote:
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And then when state budgets can't handle it because they are users of the currency and not the issuer, neolibs can point to it and say it won't work. This is the only plan you have right now. Or some magical way to take control of both chambers and win the white house again, while also signing everyone up for the healthcare fight of 2008 all over again. State level funding and then push for more federal dollars for the program. I wouldn't be totally against the idea, but I worry about how the political games would be played once state budgets are strained. The shit you are worried about is the same this that the traditional liberals worried about when the ACA. They were not wrong at the time, that no Republican buy in meant that they could attack the ACA for 3 full election cycles. But the difference is that our healthcare system has really started to rot under Republican governance. The mortality rate for women giving birth, the merit used for nearly a century to judge the quality of healthcare in a nation, has been going up for several years how. As long as progressive stick to the argument that its, A: The federal governments fault for playing political games with healthcare and B: Up to the states to fix the problem and the Federal government should just foot the bill, it could gain political traction. maybe the mortality rate is higher because median pregnancy age is higher? Nope. Median age of pregnancy is still low when compared to almost all other developed nations, and yet by basically every measurable index our healthcare system is horrendous. The U.S. healthcare system is just objectively terrible, and infant mortality is only one of many measurements by which this is true. There really aren't many positives to say about our system unless you're well off. maybe. but even if median pregnancy age is still low compared to other developed nations maybe our birthing mortality has also always been higher compared to other developed countries. maybe our healthcare seemed artificially better for a while because we had a much lower median pregnancy age than those countries and now that the age is creeping up the "quality" has only seemed to drop because now there are more age related complications to deal with in other words you arent making the right comparison here: age-adjusted birthing mortality within the US over time Infant mortality rate is worse with young births, not better. Infant mortality is strongly correlated with socioeconomic status, which is usually quite a bit lower for women that have children at young ages. Not only this, but the U.S.'s median age of birth (~26) is still an absolutely prime age to have children. You wouldn't see an increase in infant mortality for nearly another decade. I don't know why you brought up age with this discussion but it really doesn't factor into this. well plansix said "the mortality rate for mother's giving birth," not infant mortality. secondly, teenage pregnancy is down, such that the riskier "very young" mothers are going down, while more and more women are conceiving in their mid 30s and beyond. thirdly, a median age of 26 means that for the first time ever there are more pregnant women in their 30s than in their 20s. also see: Source Woops. I misread the whole thing. Well as to mother's mortality, Plansix's post hits the nail on the head. The U.S. system is atrocious because it doesn't give a shit about mothers' health whatsoever and devotes almost no resources to their problems at all. Not really suprising when the system is profit based, rather than health outcomes based. As shit as it sounds, a mother having problems which might lead to death is more profitable than preventing such problems in the first place. This is pretty much true of just about every aspect of medicine.
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Someone above asked how a supporter of Trump would explain away the increased cost of Trump flags being made for him going up in cost.
I can try answer the question, for my self. Most of the supporters of Trump hold varying views and political leanings, so you will most likely get a wide variation of answers. Supporters of Trump are not just conservatives.
I view the increase in tariffs as something that Trump is doing to even the playing field. As he stated, he would rather have no tariffs, but if other countries are unwilling to renegotiate their tariffs on American goods, than we will match their tariffs, dollar for dollar. Chinese companies enjoy many other benefits over their U.S competitors, aside from tariffs.
The USPS subsidizes shipping from china to USA, to the extent that it costs me more to mail something within in my own town, than it would cost me to receive the same package from mainland China. There are more examples of this type of advantage.
Trump is a business man, so he will find the company that can offer what he needs, at a competitive price, while meeting the quality standard he desires. If the company in China making the flags has to raise their prices, but still remain the most competitive option, than it stands to reason that Trump would continue doing business with them. I view it as an adjustment back to a competitive standard, which will possibly allow American companies to compete, which would benefit everyone in the long run!
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On July 24 2018 09:27 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2018 07:35 xDaunt wrote:On July 24 2018 07:19 hunts wrote:On July 24 2018 07:08 xDaunt wrote:On July 24 2018 06:48 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:On July 24 2018 06:38 xDaunt wrote:
Brennan, Clapper, and Comey have all been way out of line with baseless, hyperbolic political attacks on the president. Brennan has been particularly disgraceful as of late. None of them is fit to have a security clearance. Baseless? Criticism of the president by intelligence officials might be a lot of things, but baseless? It's honestly bloody difficult to make a meritless attack on Cheeto Benito given how superbly he's used his time in office to be terrible in every conceivable way. What have they said which is baseless? Feel free to explain why the following is not baseless: If a civil servant is going to make that charge against a sitting president, he better lay out some facts to back it up. Brennan didn't do that. And let's not pretend like he wouldn't know if there were facts to back it up. It's all reckless political rhetoric. So yeah, yank his clearance. I think you have the words "baseless" and "accurate" mixed up, should look into that. In the meantime if you want to be taken even remotel seriously rather than laughed at and shrugged off as usual, explain in detail why that is baseless and not accurate. Until then you are at the usual xDaunt partisan baseless posting. Edit: the thing you just accused him of doing, is a thing almost everyone in the Trump camp has done, and on a much worse level. So if this is your reasoning then yank trumps clearance for making baseless accusations against Hillary, Comey, muller, and many others. Same with Don the con jr for the things he has tweeted, same with cushner, and jesus christ sa me with Sanders for all her baseless attacks on the press. You are completely backwards on this one. Have you ever heard of the "presumption of innocence?" Do you even understand how utterly insane it is to simply presume that the president is guilty of treason without any evidence supporting it? So no, it is not my burden -- or anyone else's burden -- to prove Trump's innocence. The bigliest insanity. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/sMRKtN3.png) ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/SYMWcHY.png)
What do you make of Obama mentioning that he was born in Kenya during his big South African speech?
Why do you feel the need to insult President Trump every time you mention his name? All it does is make your argument look angry and petty, removing from the substance of it.
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On July 26 2018 05:22 basedFinn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2018 09:27 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On July 24 2018 07:35 xDaunt wrote:On July 24 2018 07:19 hunts wrote:On July 24 2018 07:08 xDaunt wrote:On July 24 2018 06:48 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:On July 24 2018 06:38 xDaunt wrote:
Brennan, Clapper, and Comey have all been way out of line with baseless, hyperbolic political attacks on the president. Brennan has been particularly disgraceful as of late. None of them is fit to have a security clearance. Baseless? Criticism of the president by intelligence officials might be a lot of things, but baseless? It's honestly bloody difficult to make a meritless attack on Cheeto Benito given how superbly he's used his time in office to be terrible in every conceivable way. What have they said which is baseless? Feel free to explain why the following is not baseless: https://twitter.com/johnbrennan/status/1018885971104985093If a civil servant is going to make that charge against a sitting president, he better lay out some facts to back it up. Brennan didn't do that. And let's not pretend like he wouldn't know if there were facts to back it up. It's all reckless political rhetoric. So yeah, yank his clearance. I think you have the words "baseless" and "accurate" mixed up, should look into that. In the meantime if you want to be taken even remotel seriously rather than laughed at and shrugged off as usual, explain in detail why that is baseless and not accurate. Until then you are at the usual xDaunt partisan baseless posting. Edit: the thing you just accused him of doing, is a thing almost everyone in the Trump camp has done, and on a much worse level. So if this is your reasoning then yank trumps clearance for making baseless accusations against Hillary, Comey, muller, and many others. Same with Don the con jr for the things he has tweeted, same with cushner, and jesus christ sa me with Sanders for all her baseless attacks on the press. You are completely backwards on this one. Have you ever heard of the "presumption of innocence?" Do you even understand how utterly insane it is to simply presume that the president is guilty of treason without any evidence supporting it? So no, it is not my burden -- or anyone else's burden -- to prove Trump's innocence. The bigliest insanity. What do you make of Obama mentioning that he was born in Kenya during his big South African speech? Why do you feel the need to insult President Trump every time you mention his name? All it does is make your argument look angry and petty, removing from the substance of it.
do you have a cite for obama saying he was born in kenya?
it seems rather unlikely he'd say that since that's not where he was born.
where do you believe obama was born?
people do make mistakes/misspeak of course, just like Trump did when he got the birth country of his own father wrong.
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On July 26 2018 05:22 basedFinn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2018 09:27 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On July 24 2018 07:35 xDaunt wrote:On July 24 2018 07:19 hunts wrote:On July 24 2018 07:08 xDaunt wrote:On July 24 2018 06:48 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:On July 24 2018 06:38 xDaunt wrote:
Brennan, Clapper, and Comey have all been way out of line with baseless, hyperbolic political attacks on the president. Brennan has been particularly disgraceful as of late. None of them is fit to have a security clearance. Baseless? Criticism of the president by intelligence officials might be a lot of things, but baseless? It's honestly bloody difficult to make a meritless attack on Cheeto Benito given how superbly he's used his time in office to be terrible in every conceivable way. What have they said which is baseless? Feel free to explain why the following is not baseless: https://twitter.com/johnbrennan/status/1018885971104985093If a civil servant is going to make that charge against a sitting president, he better lay out some facts to back it up. Brennan didn't do that. And let's not pretend like he wouldn't know if there were facts to back it up. It's all reckless political rhetoric. So yeah, yank his clearance. I think you have the words "baseless" and "accurate" mixed up, should look into that. In the meantime if you want to be taken even remotel seriously rather than laughed at and shrugged off as usual, explain in detail why that is baseless and not accurate. Until then you are at the usual xDaunt partisan baseless posting. Edit: the thing you just accused him of doing, is a thing almost everyone in the Trump camp has done, and on a much worse level. So if this is your reasoning then yank trumps clearance for making baseless accusations against Hillary, Comey, muller, and many others. Same with Don the con jr for the things he has tweeted, same with cushner, and jesus christ sa me with Sanders for all her baseless attacks on the press. You are completely backwards on this one. Have you ever heard of the "presumption of innocence?" Do you even understand how utterly insane it is to simply presume that the president is guilty of treason without any evidence supporting it? So no, it is not my burden -- or anyone else's burden -- to prove Trump's innocence. The bigliest insanity. What do you make of Obama mentioning that he was born in Kenya during his big South African speech? Why do you feel the need to insult President Trump every time you mention his name? All it does is make your argument look angry and petty, removing from the substance of it.
He says he comes from kenya, not that he was born there. How many Americans do you know that mention where they were born when you ask where they come from? I know 0, every single person list the country their family comes from
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On July 26 2018 05:22 basedFinn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2018 09:27 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On July 24 2018 07:35 xDaunt wrote:On July 24 2018 07:19 hunts wrote:On July 24 2018 07:08 xDaunt wrote:On July 24 2018 06:48 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:On July 24 2018 06:38 xDaunt wrote:
Brennan, Clapper, and Comey have all been way out of line with baseless, hyperbolic political attacks on the president. Brennan has been particularly disgraceful as of late. None of them is fit to have a security clearance. Baseless? Criticism of the president by intelligence officials might be a lot of things, but baseless? It's honestly bloody difficult to make a meritless attack on Cheeto Benito given how superbly he's used his time in office to be terrible in every conceivable way. What have they said which is baseless? Feel free to explain why the following is not baseless: https://twitter.com/johnbrennan/status/1018885971104985093If a civil servant is going to make that charge against a sitting president, he better lay out some facts to back it up. Brennan didn't do that. And let's not pretend like he wouldn't know if there were facts to back it up. It's all reckless political rhetoric. So yeah, yank his clearance. I think you have the words "baseless" and "accurate" mixed up, should look into that. In the meantime if you want to be taken even remotel seriously rather than laughed at and shrugged off as usual, explain in detail why that is baseless and not accurate. Until then you are at the usual xDaunt partisan baseless posting. Edit: the thing you just accused him of doing, is a thing almost everyone in the Trump camp has done, and on a much worse level. So if this is your reasoning then yank trumps clearance for making baseless accusations against Hillary, Comey, muller, and many others. Same with Don the con jr for the things he has tweeted, same with cushner, and jesus christ sa me with Sanders for all her baseless attacks on the press. You are completely backwards on this one. Have you ever heard of the "presumption of innocence?" Do you even understand how utterly insane it is to simply presume that the president is guilty of treason without any evidence supporting it? So no, it is not my burden -- or anyone else's burden -- to prove Trump's innocence. The bigliest insanity. What do you make of Obama mentioning that he was born in Kenya during his big South African speech?
Where does he say that? Here's the transcript:
http://time.com/5341180/barack-obama-south-africa-speech-transcript/
He does say he was born in Hawaii.
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I just saw a press conference with Trump and the president of the European commission about trade. It aparently was really positive and we're not going to have a trade war. Euros are going to buy a lot more soybeans and LNG from us while the euros want a 0% tariff on all industrial goods.
I mean shit. Trump might actually win the trade war.
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On July 26 2018 05:31 Sermokala wrote:
I just saw a press conference with Trump and the president of the European commission about trade. It aparently was really positive and we're not going to have a trade war. Euros are going to buy a lot more soybeans and LNG from us while the euros want a 0% tariff on all industrial goods.
I mean shit. Trump might actually win the trade war.
I will be fucking shocked
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On July 26 2018 05:31 Sermokala wrote:
I just saw a press conference with Trump and the president of the European commission about trade. It aparently was really positive and we're not going to have a trade war. Euros are going to buy a lot more soybeans and LNG from us while the euros want a 0% tariff on all industrial goods.
I mean shit. Trump might actually win the trade war.
In Narrator Voice: Trump did not win the trade war, everything he said was a lie or exaggeration.
Trump doesn’t have the patience to hack out a trade agreement like the one he is requesting. And they are a lot like the one he pulled out of when this all started.
On July 26 2018 05:22 basedFinn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2018 09:27 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On July 24 2018 07:35 xDaunt wrote:On July 24 2018 07:19 hunts wrote:On July 24 2018 07:08 xDaunt wrote:On July 24 2018 06:48 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:On July 24 2018 06:38 xDaunt wrote:
Brennan, Clapper, and Comey have all been way out of line with baseless, hyperbolic political attacks on the president. Brennan has been particularly disgraceful as of late. None of them is fit to have a security clearance. Baseless? Criticism of the president by intelligence officials might be a lot of things, but baseless? It's honestly bloody difficult to make a meritless attack on Cheeto Benito given how superbly he's used his time in office to be terrible in every conceivable way. What have they said which is baseless? Feel free to explain why the following is not baseless: https://twitter.com/johnbrennan/status/1018885971104985093If a civil servant is going to make that charge against a sitting president, he better lay out some facts to back it up. Brennan didn't do that. And let's not pretend like he wouldn't know if there were facts to back it up. It's all reckless political rhetoric. So yeah, yank his clearance. I think you have the words "baseless" and "accurate" mixed up, should look into that. In the meantime if you want to be taken even remotel seriously rather than laughed at and shrugged off as usual, explain in detail why that is baseless and not accurate. Until then you are at the usual xDaunt partisan baseless posting. Edit: the thing you just accused him of doing, is a thing almost everyone in the Trump camp has done, and on a much worse level. So if this is your reasoning then yank trumps clearance for making baseless accusations against Hillary, Comey, muller, and many others. Same with Don the con jr for the things he has tweeted, same with cushner, and jesus christ sa me with Sanders for all her baseless attacks on the press. You are completely backwards on this one. Have you ever heard of the "presumption of innocence?" Do you even understand how utterly insane it is to simply presume that the president is guilty of treason without any evidence supporting it? So no, it is not my burden -- or anyone else's burden -- to prove Trump's innocence. The bigliest insanity. What do you make of Obama mentioning that he was born in Kenya during his big South African speech? Why do you feel the need to insult President Trump every time you mention his name? All it does is make your argument look angry and petty, removing from the substance of it.
I love this birther shit is still floating around and they still think we are dumb enough to not watch the speech. He was born in the US, you nugget.
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On July 26 2018 05:31 Sermokala wrote:
I just saw a press conference with Trump and the president of the European commission about trade. It aparently was really positive and we're not going to have a trade war. Euros are going to buy a lot more soybeans and LNG from us while the euros want a 0% tariff on all industrial goods.
I mean shit. Trump might actually win the trade war.
no reason to rush to judgment, let's wait and see what's actually in such a deal, and what would actually happen with it. especially on reaching a conclusion as doubtful as trump winning the trade war.
do you have a link to articles about the press conference? ofc it'll take a bit before useful analysis will be available on what was said.
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This smells a lot like "Looks like Trump is getting ready for his Korean victory lap."
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I mean like I said I just watched the press conference. Trump had written words to say and the EC president was there for it. They didn't speak of anything concrete but rather having negotiations over it. It was apparently unscheduled so you probably won't see much of it for a few minutes.
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On July 26 2018 05:39 Sermokala wrote:
I mean like I said I just watched the press conference. Trump had written words to say and the EC president was there for it. They didn't speak of anything concrete but rather having negotiations over it. It was apparently unscheduled so you probably won't see much of it for a few minutes.
ok, then that sounds like there's nothing substantive. and no reason to think trump won anything/did anything useful.
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On July 26 2018 05:26 zlefin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2018 05:22 basedFinn wrote:On July 24 2018 09:27 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On July 24 2018 07:35 xDaunt wrote:On July 24 2018 07:19 hunts wrote:On July 24 2018 07:08 xDaunt wrote:On July 24 2018 06:48 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:On July 24 2018 06:38 xDaunt wrote:
Brennan, Clapper, and Comey have all been way out of line with baseless, hyperbolic political attacks on the president. Brennan has been particularly disgraceful as of late. None of them is fit to have a security clearance. Baseless? Criticism of the president by intelligence officials might be a lot of things, but baseless? It's honestly bloody difficult to make a meritless attack on Cheeto Benito given how superbly he's used his time in office to be terrible in every conceivable way. What have they said which is baseless? Feel free to explain why the following is not baseless: https://twitter.com/johnbrennan/status/1018885971104985093If a civil servant is going to make that charge against a sitting president, he better lay out some facts to back it up. Brennan didn't do that. And let's not pretend like he wouldn't know if there were facts to back it up. It's all reckless political rhetoric. So yeah, yank his clearance. I think you have the words "baseless" and "accurate" mixed up, should look into that. In the meantime if you want to be taken even remotel seriously rather than laughed at and shrugged off as usual, explain in detail why that is baseless and not accurate. Until then you are at the usual xDaunt partisan baseless posting. Edit: the thing you just accused him of doing, is a thing almost everyone in the Trump camp has done, and on a much worse level. So if this is your reasoning then yank trumps clearance for making baseless accusations against Hillary, Comey, muller, and many others. Same with Don the con jr for the things he has tweeted, same with cushner, and jesus christ sa me with Sanders for all her baseless attacks on the press. You are completely backwards on this one. Have you ever heard of the "presumption of innocence?" Do you even understand how utterly insane it is to simply presume that the president is guilty of treason without any evidence supporting it? So no, it is not my burden -- or anyone else's burden -- to prove Trump's innocence. The bigliest insanity. What do you make of Obama mentioning that he was born in Kenya during his big South African speech? Why do you feel the need to insult President Trump every time you mention his name? All it does is make your argument look angry and petty, removing from the substance of it. do you have a cite for obama saying he was born in kenya? it seems rather unlikely he'd say that since that's not where he was born. where do you believe obama was born? people do make mistakes/misspeak of course, just like Trump did when he got the birth country of his own father wrong.
IT was in a recent speech he made in South Africa, if you look up the whole video on youtube, it's somewhere around the 2:50:00 mark. Can't remember exactly. In a book he published, “Dreams of My Father”, it's mentioned in a flyer promoting the book.
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I don't know where Obama was born. The best assumption I can make is Hawaii, since that's where he says he was born and you have to be a native born citizen to be a US president. Stranger things have happened though.
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On July 26 2018 05:39 Sermokala wrote:
I mean like I said I just watched the press conference. Trump had written words to say and the EC president was there for it. They didn't speak of anything concrete but rather having negotiations over it. It was apparently unscheduled so you probably won't see much of it for a few minutes.
Trump could be full of shit, FYI. It’s not like the EC president is going to go full Kanye West, grab the mic and correct the record right there.
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On July 26 2018 05:46 basedFinn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2018 05:26 zlefin wrote:On July 26 2018 05:22 basedFinn wrote:On July 24 2018 09:27 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On July 24 2018 07:35 xDaunt wrote:On July 24 2018 07:19 hunts wrote:On July 24 2018 07:08 xDaunt wrote:On July 24 2018 06:48 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:On July 24 2018 06:38 xDaunt wrote:
Brennan, Clapper, and Comey have all been way out of line with baseless, hyperbolic political attacks on the president. Brennan has been particularly disgraceful as of late. None of them is fit to have a security clearance. Baseless? Criticism of the president by intelligence officials might be a lot of things, but baseless? It's honestly bloody difficult to make a meritless attack on Cheeto Benito given how superbly he's used his time in office to be terrible in every conceivable way. What have they said which is baseless? Feel free to explain why the following is not baseless: https://twitter.com/johnbrennan/status/1018885971104985093If a civil servant is going to make that charge against a sitting president, he better lay out some facts to back it up. Brennan didn't do that. And let's not pretend like he wouldn't know if there were facts to back it up. It's all reckless political rhetoric. So yeah, yank his clearance. I think you have the words "baseless" and "accurate" mixed up, should look into that. In the meantime if you want to be taken even remotel seriously rather than laughed at and shrugged off as usual, explain in detail why that is baseless and not accurate. Until then you are at the usual xDaunt partisan baseless posting. Edit: the thing you just accused him of doing, is a thing almost everyone in the Trump camp has done, and on a much worse level. So if this is your reasoning then yank trumps clearance for making baseless accusations against Hillary, Comey, muller, and many others. Same with Don the con jr for the things he has tweeted, same with cushner, and jesus christ sa me with Sanders for all her baseless attacks on the press. You are completely backwards on this one. Have you ever heard of the "presumption of innocence?" Do you even understand how utterly insane it is to simply presume that the president is guilty of treason without any evidence supporting it? So no, it is not my burden -- or anyone else's burden -- to prove Trump's innocence. The bigliest insanity. What do you make of Obama mentioning that he was born in Kenya during his big South African speech? Why do you feel the need to insult President Trump every time you mention his name? All it does is make your argument look angry and petty, removing from the substance of it. do you have a cite for obama saying he was born in kenya? it seems rather unlikely he'd say that since that's not where he was born. where do you believe obama was born? people do make mistakes/misspeak of course, just like Trump did when he got the birth country of his own father wrong. IT was in a recent speech he made in South Africa, if you look up the whole video on youtube, it's somewhere around the 2:50:00 mark. Can't remember exactly. In a book he published, “Dreams of My Father”, it's mentioned in a flyer promoting the book. www.wnd.comI don't know where Obama was born. The best assumption I can make is Hawaii, since that's where he says he was born and you have to be a native born citizen to be a US president. Stranger things have happened though.
We all know where he was born, he was born in Hawaii.... for fuck sake his birth was announced in two papers
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