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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 24 2018 23:07 GMT
#10741
On July 25 2018 07:37 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2018 06:30 Plansix wrote:
On July 25 2018 06:07 screamingpalm wrote:
On July 25 2018 06:03 Plansix wrote:
On July 25 2018 05:56 screamingpalm wrote:
On July 25 2018 05:52 Plansix wrote:
Medicaid for all at the state level is the only way to get the ball rolling. The federal government isn’t becoming functional in the next decade, so the state level is the only proving ground for universal healthcare available.


And then when state budgets can't handle it because they are users of the currency and not the issuer, neolibs can point to it and say it won't work.

This is the only plan you have right now. Or some magical way to take control of both chambers and win the white house again, while also signing everyone up for the healthcare fight of 2008 all over again.

State level funding and then push for more federal dollars for the program.


I wouldn't be totally against the idea, but I worry about how the political games would be played once state budgets are strained.

The shit you are worried about is the same this that the traditional liberals worried about when the ACA. They were not wrong at the time, that no Republican buy in meant that they could attack the ACA for 3 full election cycles.

But the difference is that our healthcare system has really started to rot under Republican governance. The mortality rate for women giving birth, the merit used for nearly a century to judge the quality of healthcare in a nation, has been going up for several years how. As long as progressive stick to the argument that its, A: The federal governments fault for playing political games with healthcare and B: Up to the states to fix the problem and the Federal government should just foot the bill, it could gain political traction.


maybe the mortality rate is higher because median pregnancy age is higher?

From what I have ready, the mortality rate increased in rural states with strained healthcare systems. Which is a lot of states.
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Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-25 00:30:04
July 25 2018 00:29 GMT
#10742
On July 25 2018 07:37 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2018 06:30 Plansix wrote:
On July 25 2018 06:07 screamingpalm wrote:
On July 25 2018 06:03 Plansix wrote:
On July 25 2018 05:56 screamingpalm wrote:
On July 25 2018 05:52 Plansix wrote:
Medicaid for all at the state level is the only way to get the ball rolling. The federal government isn’t becoming functional in the next decade, so the state level is the only proving ground for universal healthcare available.


And then when state budgets can't handle it because they are users of the currency and not the issuer, neolibs can point to it and say it won't work.

This is the only plan you have right now. Or some magical way to take control of both chambers and win the white house again, while also signing everyone up for the healthcare fight of 2008 all over again.

State level funding and then push for more federal dollars for the program.


I wouldn't be totally against the idea, but I worry about how the political games would be played once state budgets are strained.

The shit you are worried about is the same this that the traditional liberals worried about when the ACA. They were not wrong at the time, that no Republican buy in meant that they could attack the ACA for 3 full election cycles.

But the difference is that our healthcare system has really started to rot under Republican governance. The mortality rate for women giving birth, the merit used for nearly a century to judge the quality of healthcare in a nation, has been going up for several years how. As long as progressive stick to the argument that its, A: The federal governments fault for playing political games with healthcare and B: Up to the states to fix the problem and the Federal government should just foot the bill, it could gain political traction.


maybe the mortality rate is higher because median pregnancy age is higher?


Nope. Median age of pregnancy is still low when compared to almost all other developed nations, and yet by basically every measurable index our healthcare system is horrendous.

The U.S. healthcare system is just objectively terrible, and infant mortality is only one of many measurements by which this is true. There really aren't many positives to say about our system unless you're well off.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
July 25 2018 00:41 GMT
#10743
On July 25 2018 04:35 ticklishmusic wrote:
So, because farmers, etc. are getting boned as a result of these idiotic tariffs, the USDA is now tossing a few billions of aid to help them. This looks an awful lot like government welfare, but fiscal conservatives seem to be quiet about it (with some exceptions).

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The U.S. Agriculture Department announced Tuesday a $12 billion package of emergency aid for farmers caught in the midst of President Trump’s escalating trade war the latest sign that growing tensions between the United States and other countries will not end soon.

Trump ordered Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue to prepare a range of options several months ago, amid complaints from farmers that their products faced retaliatory tariffs from China and other countries. The new package of government assistance funds announced Tuesday and will go into effect in September.

The aid package will target soybean farmers, dairy farmers, and pork producers, among others. White House officials hope it will temporarily quiet some of the unease from farm groups, but the new plan could revive debates about taxpayer-funded bailouts and the degree to which Trump’s trade strategy is leading to unforeseen costs.


Source

Maybe this is how we get to socialism, Trump blows things up and then bails em out.

It will be interesting to see if republicans sell out and accept a welfare program instead of forcing Trump to stop his trade war shenanigans. Is the fear of Trumps wrath larger than their beliefs?
Neosteel Enthusiast
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
July 25 2018 00:58 GMT
#10744
They're not scared of Trump exactly, they just have no control over their base.

Also, if it isn't clear by now Republicans aren't against subsidies or government spending. I don't know what exactly is conservative about Republicans anymore except for the whole Dominion theology angle.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 25 2018 01:05 GMT
#10745
On July 25 2018 09:41 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2018 04:35 ticklishmusic wrote:
So, because farmers, etc. are getting boned as a result of these idiotic tariffs, the USDA is now tossing a few billions of aid to help them. This looks an awful lot like government welfare, but fiscal conservatives seem to be quiet about it (with some exceptions).

The U.S. Agriculture Department announced Tuesday a $12 billion package of emergency aid for farmers caught in the midst of President Trump’s escalating trade war the latest sign that growing tensions between the United States and other countries will not end soon.

Trump ordered Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue to prepare a range of options several months ago, amid complaints from farmers that their products faced retaliatory tariffs from China and other countries. The new package of government assistance funds announced Tuesday and will go into effect in September.

The aid package will target soybean farmers, dairy farmers, and pork producers, among others. White House officials hope it will temporarily quiet some of the unease from farm groups, but the new plan could revive debates about taxpayer-funded bailouts and the degree to which Trump’s trade strategy is leading to unforeseen costs.


Source

Maybe this is how we get to socialism, Trump blows things up and then bails em out.

It will be interesting to see if republicans sell out and accept a welfare program instead of forcing Trump to stop his trade war shenanigans. Is the fear of Trumps wrath larger than their beliefs?

since when do they have beliefs?
also, farm aid never really counts as "welfare" in their minds, and there's been a LOT of it over the years. I imagine many corporate subsidies don't either.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-25 01:13:12
July 25 2018 01:11 GMT
#10746
Idk if anybody has mentioned this but the IRS has made changes to the new 1040 form as it is more shorter and combined the 1040 the 1040A and the 1040ez into 1 aggregate form. The claiming of non children as dependents. There are also limits capped off as far as what you can claim for property taxes as well ($10k it seems). Along with other changes too. The middle class is about to get destroyed in 2018.

And this is my friend who recently had a child no more than a month ago, and went to the hospital because the kid got a cold.

Little guys trip to the hospital some weeks ago consisted of two over the counter medications and we got to take home with us three super awesome pacifiers.

Grand total: $13,000..


The system is broken, and it's only going to get worse it seems.
Life?
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
July 25 2018 01:20 GMT
#10747
On July 25 2018 09:29 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2018 07:37 IgnE wrote:
On July 25 2018 06:30 Plansix wrote:
On July 25 2018 06:07 screamingpalm wrote:
On July 25 2018 06:03 Plansix wrote:
On July 25 2018 05:56 screamingpalm wrote:
On July 25 2018 05:52 Plansix wrote:
Medicaid for all at the state level is the only way to get the ball rolling. The federal government isn’t becoming functional in the next decade, so the state level is the only proving ground for universal healthcare available.


And then when state budgets can't handle it because they are users of the currency and not the issuer, neolibs can point to it and say it won't work.

This is the only plan you have right now. Or some magical way to take control of both chambers and win the white house again, while also signing everyone up for the healthcare fight of 2008 all over again.

State level funding and then push for more federal dollars for the program.


I wouldn't be totally against the idea, but I worry about how the political games would be played once state budgets are strained.

The shit you are worried about is the same this that the traditional liberals worried about when the ACA. They were not wrong at the time, that no Republican buy in meant that they could attack the ACA for 3 full election cycles.

But the difference is that our healthcare system has really started to rot under Republican governance. The mortality rate for women giving birth, the merit used for nearly a century to judge the quality of healthcare in a nation, has been going up for several years how. As long as progressive stick to the argument that its, A: The federal governments fault for playing political games with healthcare and B: Up to the states to fix the problem and the Federal government should just foot the bill, it could gain political traction.


maybe the mortality rate is higher because median pregnancy age is higher?


Nope. Median age of pregnancy is still low when compared to almost all other developed nations, and yet by basically every measurable index our healthcare system is horrendous.

The U.S. healthcare system is just objectively terrible, and infant mortality is only one of many measurements by which this is true. There really aren't many positives to say about our system unless you're well off.


maybe. but even if median pregnancy age is still low compared to other developed nations maybe our birthing mortality has also always been higher compared to other developed countries. maybe our healthcare seemed artificially better for a while because we had a much lower median pregnancy age than those countries and now that the age is creeping up the "quality" has only seemed to drop because now there are more age related complications to deal with

in other words you arent making the right comparison here: age-adjusted birthing mortality within the US over time
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
July 25 2018 01:22 GMT
#10748
On July 25 2018 10:11 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Idk if anybody has mentioned this but the IRS has made changes to the new 1040 form as it is more shorter and combined the 1040 the 1040A and the 1040ez into 1 aggregate form. The claiming of non children as dependents. There are also limits capped off as far as what you can claim for property taxes as well ($10k it seems). Along with other changes too. The middle class is about to get destroyed in 2018.

And this is my friend who recently had a child no more than a month ago, and went to the hospital because the kid got a cold.

Show nested quote +
Little guys trip to the hospital some weeks ago consisted of two over the counter medications and we got to take home with us three super awesome pacifiers.

Grand total: $13,000..


The system is broken, and it's only going to get worse it seems.


did they take an ambulance and stay in the hospital over night or something?
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
July 25 2018 01:33 GMT
#10749
I know the baby stayed overnight for monitoring, but is that still really $13k worth? No ambulance.
Life?
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 25 2018 01:35 GMT
#10750
On July 25 2018 10:11 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Idk if anybody has mentioned this but the IRS has made changes to the new 1040 form as it is more shorter and combined the 1040 the 1040A and the 1040ez into 1 aggregate form. The claiming of non children as dependents. There are also limits capped off as far as what you can claim for property taxes as well ($10k it seems). Along with other changes too. The middle class is about to get destroyed in 2018.

And this is my friend who recently had a child no more than a month ago, and went to the hospital because the kid got a cold.

Show nested quote +
Little guys trip to the hospital some weeks ago consisted of two over the counter medications and we got to take home with us three super awesome pacifiers.

Grand total: $13,000..


The system is broken, and it's only going to get worse it seems.

most of that tax stuff is a result of that terrible tax law they passed last year; so it was discussed then.

medical billing is a well known problem. unfortunate that your friend got hosed by it. I wish them good luck fighting the ridiculous bill.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
July 25 2018 01:43 GMT
#10751
If you want to look for stories of hospitals providing something you could've bought for $20, and charging them 5 or 6 figures, it's an endless rabbit hole. We've already reached the end-game of fully capitalistic healthcare, it's only a matter of how dramatic it gets before things somehow change.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
July 25 2018 01:58 GMT
#10752
On July 25 2018 08:07 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2018 07:37 IgnE wrote:
On July 25 2018 06:30 Plansix wrote:
On July 25 2018 06:07 screamingpalm wrote:
On July 25 2018 06:03 Plansix wrote:
On July 25 2018 05:56 screamingpalm wrote:
On July 25 2018 05:52 Plansix wrote:
Medicaid for all at the state level is the only way to get the ball rolling. The federal government isn’t becoming functional in the next decade, so the state level is the only proving ground for universal healthcare available.


And then when state budgets can't handle it because they are users of the currency and not the issuer, neolibs can point to it and say it won't work.

This is the only plan you have right now. Or some magical way to take control of both chambers and win the white house again, while also signing everyone up for the healthcare fight of 2008 all over again.

State level funding and then push for more federal dollars for the program.


I wouldn't be totally against the idea, but I worry about how the political games would be played once state budgets are strained.

The shit you are worried about is the same this that the traditional liberals worried about when the ACA. They were not wrong at the time, that no Republican buy in meant that they could attack the ACA for 3 full election cycles.

But the difference is that our healthcare system has really started to rot under Republican governance. The mortality rate for women giving birth, the merit used for nearly a century to judge the quality of healthcare in a nation, has been going up for several years how. As long as progressive stick to the argument that its, A: The federal governments fault for playing political games with healthcare and B: Up to the states to fix the problem and the Federal government should just foot the bill, it could gain political traction.


maybe the mortality rate is higher because median pregnancy age is higher?

From what I have ready, the mortality rate increased in rural states with strained healthcare systems. Which is a lot of states.

Rural counties and states that did not expand medicaid are in rough shape financially. Not surprised if that has an impact on patient care.


The stark difference in hospital closures between states that did—and didn't—expand Medicaid
7:30 AM - January 10, 2018

Hospitals in states that expanded Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act (ACA) were less likely to close than hospitals in non-expansion states, according to a study published Monday in Health Affairs.

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Study details
For the study, researchers at the University of Colorado Anschutz Medical Campus examined hospital closure and financial performance data from 2008 to 2016. The researchers compared how hospitals performed from 2008 to 2012—the four years before the ACA's coverage expansions took effect—with how the hospitals performed from 2015 to 2016—the year after the ACA's coverage expansions took effect. The researchers also analyzed local market conditions and national hospital data.

Findings
According to the study, hospitals in Medicaid expansion states were more likely than hospitals in non-expansion states to experience an improvement in finances. As such, the researchers found that hospitals in Medicaid expansion states were about six times less likely to close than hospitals in non-expansion states.

The researchers found that the effects of states expanding Medicaid were more pronounced for health care providers that had a larger share of uninsured patients before the ACA's coverage expansions took effect. For example, the researchers found that, in Medicaid expansion states:

Rural hospitals that had an uninsured patient rate of at least 30% before the ACA's coverage expansions took effect were 91% less likely to close than they had been before the coverage expansions; and
Urban hospitals that had an uninsured patient rate of at least 30% before the ACA's coverage expansions took effect were more than 92% less likely to close than before the coverage expansions.

Overall, the closure rate per 100 hospitals rose from 0.39 for 2008-2012 to 0.81 for 2015-2016 in non-expansion states, while the closure rate per 100 hospitals fell from 0.51 for 2008-2012 to 0.18 for 2015-2016 in expansion states, according to the study. In addition, the researchers found that total margins for hospitals in non-expansion states improved by 0.005 in non-expansion states, while total margins for hospitals in expansion states improved by 0.011. Further, hospitals' Medicaid and uncompensated care margins—which is defined as hospitals' net income related to treating Medicaid and uninsured individuals divided by the net revenue they receive from treating such patients—decreased by 0.12 in non-expansion states, and increased by 0.106 in expansion states.

Discussion
Richard Lindrooth, the study's lead author and a professor at the Colorado School of Public Health, said hospitals saw more patients with Medicaid coverage after the ACA's coverage expansions took effect, which increased Medicaid payments to the hospitals and helped them perform better financially. Lindrooth said, "It's not as though Medicaid is an extremely profitable form of reimbursement, but it is something," adding "On the margins, it certainly helps the hospitals' cash flow." Lindrooth continued, "We found that really about half of the closures that did occur in non-expansion states could have been averted through the expansion."

Jason Cleckler—CEO of Delta Memorial Hospital, which is located in a rural part of Colorado, which expanded Medicaid—said Delta Memorial's Medicaid population increased from 10% in 2011 to 20% in 2016—which resulted in less uncompensated care and saved the hospital more than $3 million. "I think that really speaks to what the researchers found," Cleckler said, adding, "So Medicaid doubled, our bad debt decreased significantly, and the uninsured rate decreased significantly."

Brock Slabach, SVP of the National Rural Health Association (NRHA), said the study's results correlate with data NRHA has reviewed. He said, "If state legislatures and Congress want to cure the rural hospital closure problem, expanding Medicaid and not block-granting this important program would be the answer" (Daley, "Shots," NPR, 1/8; Gooch, Becker's Hospital CFO Report, 1/8; Ross Johnson, Modern Healthcare, 1/8; Baker, "Vitals," Axios, 1/9; Lindrooth et al., Health Affairs, January 2018).

www.advisory.com <-- paywall, sorry.
www.cnbc.com <-- CNBC had a recent story on rural hospital closures.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11578 Posts
July 25 2018 02:03 GMT
#10753
On July 25 2018 01:30 Plansix wrote:
You should look at regional numbers, rather than the US as a whole. The national average of any specific demographic nation wide isn't helpful given the wide variance of economic environments across the US. Tennessee is not New York. Hell, New Hampshire and Maine are not even close to Massachusetts, even though we are right next to each-other.

It would be nice if we could have an economic study on how best divide and discuss regions of the US economically.


Well in regards to that, when I poking around for my post, I came across this article:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/petesaunders1/2017/12/08/where-african-american-incomes-are-rising-and-where-theyre-not/#5c672abc29ac

Which basically tried to divide regions by whether African Americans had a High/Low Median Household Income and whether they were gaining ground/ losing ground.

It starts with the top and bottom ten cities for household incomes for all of America and for African Americans and from there starts trying to cluster regions. I don't know if it's enough cities to establish a regional pattern, but I thought it was an interesting attempt.

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CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-25 03:27:52
July 25 2018 03:22 GMT
#10754
Sounds like Trump knew about the campaign finance violation. Cohen's lawyer gave the tape to CNN
(CNN)Presidential candidate Donald Trump is heard on tape discussing with his attorney Michael Cohen how they would buy the rights to a Playboy model's story about an alleged affair Trump had with her years earlier, according to the audio recording of the conversation aired exclusively on CNN's "Cuomo Prime Time."

The recording offers the public a glimpse at the confidential discussions between Trump and Cohen, and it confirms the man who now occupies the Oval Office had contemporaneous knowledge of a proposal to buy the rights to the story of Karen McDougal, a woman who has alleged she had an extramarital affair with Trump about a decade ago.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/24/politics/michael-cohen-donald-trump-tape/index.html
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© Current year.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 25 2018 03:49 GMT
#10755
That is far more serious than perjury and look what happened to the guy who did that.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
July 25 2018 03:55 GMT
#10756
So that's a pretty openly hostile move from Cohen against Trump, especially leaking it to CNN of all places. What could be the motivators behind that decision?
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 25 2018 03:59 GMT
#10757
On July 25 2018 12:55 Tachion wrote:
So that's a pretty openly hostile move from Cohen against Trump, especially leaking it to CNN of all places. What could be the motivators behind that decision?

Cohen entire office was raided and most of the things in it were “stripped” of attorney client privilege by a judge. Which is fucking crazy. Cohen is ruined and will likely lose his license. He has every reason to make sure Trump gets burned too.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 25 2018 04:21 GMT
#10758
On July 25 2018 12:59 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2018 12:55 Tachion wrote:
So that's a pretty openly hostile move from Cohen against Trump, especially leaking it to CNN of all places. What could be the motivators behind that decision?

Cohen entire office was raided and most of the things in it were “stripped” of attorney client privilege by a judge. Which is fucking crazy. Cohen is ruined and will likely lose his license. He has every reason to make sure Trump gets burned too.

Technically Trump waived privilege as it pertains to the tapes. The judge didn’t strip it. However, depending upon what’s on the tapes, the judge may have been able to strip the privilege under the crime-fraud exception.

And yes, Cohen is going to lose his license, Surreptitiously recording clients is a big no-no.
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
July 25 2018 04:23 GMT
#10759
On July 25 2018 12:59 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2018 12:55 Tachion wrote:
So that's a pretty openly hostile move from Cohen against Trump, especially leaking it to CNN of all places. What could be the motivators behind that decision?

Cohen entire office was raided and most of the things in it were “stripped” of attorney client privilege by a judge. Which is fucking crazy. Cohen is ruined and will likely lose his license. He has every reason to make sure Trump gets burned too.

"Cause fuck you too"?. Is it really that simple? What happened to taking a bullet for him?
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 25 2018 04:27 GMT
#10760
On July 25 2018 13:23 Tachion wrote:
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On July 25 2018 12:59 Plansix wrote:
On July 25 2018 12:55 Tachion wrote:
So that's a pretty openly hostile move from Cohen against Trump, especially leaking it to CNN of all places. What could be the motivators behind that decision?

Cohen entire office was raided and most of the things in it were “stripped” of attorney client privilege by a judge. Which is fucking crazy. Cohen is ruined and will likely lose his license. He has every reason to make sure Trump gets burned too.

"Cause fuck you too"?. Is it really that simple? What happened to taking a bullet for him?

Why take a bullet for an ungrateful asshole who has doing nothing for you? Trump likes loyalty, but doesn’t reward it when it could cost him anything.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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