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On December 03 2025 01:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2025 01:29 LightSpectra wrote:
His own disciples seem to be getting tired of it too, judging by the crashing polls and nonstop reports of low morale in virtually every government agency. I didn't realize this was the case, but the evidence does seem to support it: "Enten cited a recent Gallup poll that saw Trump’s net approval rating sink to -24 percent from -1 percent in January. “We’re talking about a drop of over 20 points in the wrong direction for the president of the United States,” the analyst said. The only president who was less popular than Trump at this point in his second term? Richard Nixon, who had an approval rating of -36 points just a few months before he resigned from office. “Anywhere you look this is the second-worst for a president of either party in their second term dating all the way back since the 1940s,” Enten said." https://newrepublic.com/post/203799/donald-trump-popular-poll-richard-nixon "President Donald Trump’s job approval rating has fallen five percentage points to 36%, the lowest of his second term, while disapproval has risen to 60%. ... Both Republicans’ and independents’ ratings of Trump have worsened significantly since last month. Republicans’ approval has fallen seven points to 84%, while independents’ has slipped eight points to 25%. Republicans’ rating is the lowest of Trump’s second term, while independents’ is the worst in either term. Trump’s prior low point among independents, 29%, was last recorded in July and, prior to that, was only seen once before, in August 2017. Meanwhile, Democrats’ rating of the president remains mired in the low single digits (3%)." https://news.gallup.com/poll/699221/trump-approval-rating-drops-new-second-term-low.aspx "316 days into Donald Trump's term: The president's net approval rating is -19%, down 0.6 points since last week. 38% approve, 57% disapprove, 4% not sure. Once the honeymoon is over, presidents tend to lose popularity quickly. But no recent president has fallen so low so quickly as Donald Trump. At the start of his second term public opinion was nearly evenly divided between those who approved of the president and those who did not. Things have since changed—his net approval is now lower than at any point in his first term. Rather than rebounding after the end of America’s longest ever government shutdown, Mr Trump’s popularity has continued to sink. Americans are particularly dissatisfied with Mr Trump’s handling of inflation and the economy, two issues which were key to his re-election last November. Young and non-white voters, many of whom abandoned Democrats because of concerns about the cost of living, are now souring on Mr Trump faster than other groups. It was those voters who fuelled Democratic victories in governor elections in Virginia and New Jersey—an ominous sign for Republicans before next year’s midterm elections." https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker
Sadly, we still got about one more year until midterms, which is the first time this may matter. So i guess we hope that they don't break too much more stuff until then, and then the MAGAts get crushed so this insanity finally stops. A congress with balls willing to fight against Trump would be awesome. Would still probably mean that nothing gets done, but nothing getting done is better than everything constantly moving in the absolute worst direction imaginable.
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On December 03 2025 01:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2025 01:29 LightSpectra wrote:
His own disciples seem to be getting tired of it too, judging by the crashing polls and nonstop reports of low morale in virtually every government agency. I didn't realize this was the case, but the evidence does seem to support it: + Show Spoiler +"Enten cited a recent Gallup poll that saw Trump’s net approval rating sink to -24 percent from -1 percent in January. “We’re talking about a drop of over 20 points in the wrong direction for the president of the United States,” the analyst said. The only president who was less popular than Trump at this point in his second term? Richard Nixon, who had an approval rating of -36 points just a few months before he resigned from office. “Anywhere you look this is the second-worst for a president of either party in their second term dating all the way back since the 1940s,” Enten said." https://newrepublic.com/post/203799/donald-trump-popular-poll-richard-nixon "President Donald Trump’s job approval rating has fallen five percentage points to 36%, the lowest of his second term, while disapproval has risen to 60%. ... Both Republicans’ and independents’ ratings of Trump have worsened significantly since last month. Republicans’ approval has fallen seven points to 84%, while independents’ has slipped eight points to 25%. Republicans’ rating is the lowest of Trump’s second term, while independents’ is the worst in either term. Trump’s prior low point among independents, 29%, was last recorded in July and, prior to that, was only seen once before, in August 2017. Meanwhile, Democrats’ rating of the president remains mired in the low single digits (3%)." https://news.gallup.com/poll/699221/trump-approval-rating-drops-new-second-term-low.aspx "316 days into Donald Trump's term: The president's net approval rating is -19%, down 0.6 points since last week. 38% approve, 57% disapprove, 4% not sure. Once the honeymoon is over, presidents tend to lose popularity quickly. But no recent president has fallen so low so quickly as Donald Trump. At the start of his second term public opinion was nearly evenly divided between those who approved of the president and those who did not. Things have since changed—his net approval is now lower than at any point in his first term. Rather than rebounding after the end of America’s longest ever government shutdown, Mr Trump’s popularity has continued to sink. Americans are particularly dissatisfied with Mr Trump’s handling of inflation and the economy, two issues which were key to his re-election last November. Young and non-white voters, many of whom abandoned Democrats because of concerns about the cost of living, are now souring on Mr Trump faster than other groups. It was those voters who fuelled Democratic victories in governor elections in Virginia and New Jersey—an ominous sign for Republicans before next year’s midterm elections." https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker
On the other hand, Trump's job approval is better at this point in his presidency than it was last time.
https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/approval-rating
He doesn't have the best spread, but 43% also gives him the highest percentage of people rating him favorably out of political party leaders.
www.realclearpolling.com
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On December 03 2025 01:59 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2025 01:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 03 2025 01:29 LightSpectra wrote:
His own disciples seem to be getting tired of it too, judging by the crashing polls and nonstop reports of low morale in virtually every government agency. I didn't realize this was the case, but the evidence does seem to support it: "Enten cited a recent Gallup poll that saw Trump’s net approval rating sink to -24 percent from -1 percent in January. “We’re talking about a drop of over 20 points in the wrong direction for the president of the United States,” the analyst said. The only president who was less popular than Trump at this point in his second term? Richard Nixon, who had an approval rating of -36 points just a few months before he resigned from office. “Anywhere you look this is the second-worst for a president of either party in their second term dating all the way back since the 1940s,” Enten said." https://newrepublic.com/post/203799/donald-trump-popular-poll-richard-nixon "President Donald Trump’s job approval rating has fallen five percentage points to 36%, the lowest of his second term, while disapproval has risen to 60%. ... Both Republicans’ and independents’ ratings of Trump have worsened significantly since last month. Republicans’ approval has fallen seven points to 84%, while independents’ has slipped eight points to 25%. Republicans’ rating is the lowest of Trump’s second term, while independents’ is the worst in either term. Trump’s prior low point among independents, 29%, was last recorded in July and, prior to that, was only seen once before, in August 2017. Meanwhile, Democrats’ rating of the president remains mired in the low single digits (3%)." https://news.gallup.com/poll/699221/trump-approval-rating-drops-new-second-term-low.aspx "316 days into Donald Trump's term: The president's net approval rating is -19%, down 0.6 points since last week. 38% approve, 57% disapprove, 4% not sure. Once the honeymoon is over, presidents tend to lose popularity quickly. But no recent president has fallen so low so quickly as Donald Trump. At the start of his second term public opinion was nearly evenly divided between those who approved of the president and those who did not. Things have since changed—his net approval is now lower than at any point in his first term. Rather than rebounding after the end of America’s longest ever government shutdown, Mr Trump’s popularity has continued to sink. Americans are particularly dissatisfied with Mr Trump’s handling of inflation and the economy, two issues which were key to his re-election last November. Young and non-white voters, many of whom abandoned Democrats because of concerns about the cost of living, are now souring on Mr Trump faster than other groups. It was those voters who fuelled Democratic victories in governor elections in Virginia and New Jersey—an ominous sign for Republicans before next year’s midterm elections." https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker Sadly, we still got about one more year until midterms, which is the first time this may matter. So i guess we hope that they don't break too much more stuff until then, and then the MAGAts get crushed so this insanity finally stops. A congress with balls willing to fight against Trump would be awesome. Would still probably mean that nothing gets done, but nothing getting done is better than everything constantly moving in the absolute worst direction imaginable.
What's worse is that since we all know Democrats won't be able to do much of anything even if they miraculously regained any meaningful power (which no one here sincerely believes they can), so the next wave of fascists (besides seeing there are no consequences) will be nothing but emboldened and more popular.
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On December 03 2025 02:12 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2025 01:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 03 2025 01:29 LightSpectra wrote:
His own disciples seem to be getting tired of it too, judging by the crashing polls and nonstop reports of low morale in virtually every government agency. I didn't realize this was the case, but the evidence does seem to support it: + Show Spoiler +"Enten cited a recent Gallup poll that saw Trump’s net approval rating sink to -24 percent from -1 percent in January. “We’re talking about a drop of over 20 points in the wrong direction for the president of the United States,” the analyst said. The only president who was less popular than Trump at this point in his second term? Richard Nixon, who had an approval rating of -36 points just a few months before he resigned from office. “Anywhere you look this is the second-worst for a president of either party in their second term dating all the way back since the 1940s,” Enten said." https://newrepublic.com/post/203799/donald-trump-popular-poll-richard-nixon "President Donald Trump’s job approval rating has fallen five percentage points to 36%, the lowest of his second term, while disapproval has risen to 60%. ... Both Republicans’ and independents’ ratings of Trump have worsened significantly since last month. Republicans’ approval has fallen seven points to 84%, while independents’ has slipped eight points to 25%. Republicans’ rating is the lowest of Trump’s second term, while independents’ is the worst in either term. Trump’s prior low point among independents, 29%, was last recorded in July and, prior to that, was only seen once before, in August 2017. Meanwhile, Democrats’ rating of the president remains mired in the low single digits (3%)." https://news.gallup.com/poll/699221/trump-approval-rating-drops-new-second-term-low.aspx "316 days into Donald Trump's term: The president's net approval rating is -19%, down 0.6 points since last week. 38% approve, 57% disapprove, 4% not sure. Once the honeymoon is over, presidents tend to lose popularity quickly. But no recent president has fallen so low so quickly as Donald Trump. At the start of his second term public opinion was nearly evenly divided between those who approved of the president and those who did not. Things have since changed—his net approval is now lower than at any point in his first term. Rather than rebounding after the end of America’s longest ever government shutdown, Mr Trump’s popularity has continued to sink. Americans are particularly dissatisfied with Mr Trump’s handling of inflation and the economy, two issues which were key to his re-election last November. Young and non-white voters, many of whom abandoned Democrats because of concerns about the cost of living, are now souring on Mr Trump faster than other groups. It was those voters who fuelled Democratic victories in governor elections in Virginia and New Jersey—an ominous sign for Republicans before next year’s midterm elections." https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker On the other hand, Trump's job approval is better at this point in his presidency than it was last time. https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/approval-ratingHe doesn't have the best spread, but 43% also gives him the highest percentage of people rating him favorably out of political party leaders. www.realclearpolling.com
Compared to Nov/Dec of 2017? Sure, but that's only because he set the bar so disastrously low back then. His current 43% is the lowest of his entire second term (so far), which has been consistently decreasing since June.
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Loving that GH is sounding more like Baghdad Bob every day. Republicans must really be panicking if even tankies are trying to reassure us that Trump is more popular than ever.
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On December 03 2025 02:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2025 02:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 03 2025 01:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 03 2025 01:29 LightSpectra wrote:
His own disciples seem to be getting tired of it too, judging by the crashing polls and nonstop reports of low morale in virtually every government agency. I didn't realize this was the case, but the evidence does seem to support it: + Show Spoiler +"Enten cited a recent Gallup poll that saw Trump’s net approval rating sink to -24 percent from -1 percent in January. “We’re talking about a drop of over 20 points in the wrong direction for the president of the United States,” the analyst said. The only president who was less popular than Trump at this point in his second term? Richard Nixon, who had an approval rating of -36 points just a few months before he resigned from office. “Anywhere you look this is the second-worst for a president of either party in their second term dating all the way back since the 1940s,” Enten said." https://newrepublic.com/post/203799/donald-trump-popular-poll-richard-nixon "President Donald Trump’s job approval rating has fallen five percentage points to 36%, the lowest of his second term, while disapproval has risen to 60%. ... Both Republicans’ and independents’ ratings of Trump have worsened significantly since last month. Republicans’ approval has fallen seven points to 84%, while independents’ has slipped eight points to 25%. Republicans’ rating is the lowest of Trump’s second term, while independents’ is the worst in either term. Trump’s prior low point among independents, 29%, was last recorded in July and, prior to that, was only seen once before, in August 2017. Meanwhile, Democrats’ rating of the president remains mired in the low single digits (3%)." https://news.gallup.com/poll/699221/trump-approval-rating-drops-new-second-term-low.aspx "316 days into Donald Trump's term: The president's net approval rating is -19%, down 0.6 points since last week. 38% approve, 57% disapprove, 4% not sure. Once the honeymoon is over, presidents tend to lose popularity quickly. But no recent president has fallen so low so quickly as Donald Trump. At the start of his second term public opinion was nearly evenly divided between those who approved of the president and those who did not. Things have since changed—his net approval is now lower than at any point in his first term. Rather than rebounding after the end of America’s longest ever government shutdown, Mr Trump’s popularity has continued to sink. Americans are particularly dissatisfied with Mr Trump’s handling of inflation and the economy, two issues which were key to his re-election last November. Young and non-white voters, many of whom abandoned Democrats because of concerns about the cost of living, are now souring on Mr Trump faster than other groups. It was those voters who fuelled Democratic victories in governor elections in Virginia and New Jersey—an ominous sign for Republicans before next year’s midterm elections." https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker On the other hand, Trump's job approval is better at this point in his presidency than it was last time. https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/approval-ratingHe doesn't have the best spread, but 43% also gives him the highest percentage of people rating him favorably out of political party leaders. www.realclearpolling.com Compared to Nov/Dec of 2017? Sure, but that's only because he set the bar so disastrously low back then. His current 43% is the lowest of his entire second term (so far), which has been consistently decreasing since June.
He's polling better than last time. Polling better than Biden at this point, and well above Biden's low. He has the highest favorables of any political party leader.
The perception that this is unprecedentedly awful or that his support is "crashing" is basically just spin/copium. It's in the "normal range" after an anomalously high start for Trump.
On December 03 2025 02:32 LightSpectra wrote:
Loving that GH is sounding more like Baghdad Bob every day. Republicans must really be panicking if even tankies are trying to reassure us that Trump is more popular than ever.
I love how you shamelessly create the "Trump is more popular than ever" strawman to disregard the plain facts about the context of Trump's polling I presented to you.
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On December 03 2025 02:32 LightSpectra wrote:
Loving that GH is sounding more like Baghdad Bob every day. Republicans must really be panicking if even tankies are trying to reassure us that Trump is more popular than ever.
I gotta say that it is a bit funny how he constantly shifts literally everything to "But democrats bad!". Usually within the first sentence of his post. It is so iconic that i can immediately tell a post is from GH without even reading the name next to it.
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On December 03 2025 02:38 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2025 02:32 LightSpectra wrote:
Loving that GH is sounding more like Baghdad Bob every day. Republicans must really be panicking if even tankies are trying to reassure us that Trump is more popular than ever. I gotta say that it is a bit funny how he constantly shifts literally everything to "But democrats bad!". Usually within the first sentence of his post. It is so iconic that i can immediately tell a post is from GH without even reading the name next to it.
You guys got the "Republicans bad" spam covered. I'll just preface every post mentioning how Republicans are bad, and then maybe it's okay to actually discuss the political situation instead of just how bad Republicans are?
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On December 03 2025 02:38 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2025 02:32 LightSpectra wrote:
Loving that GH is sounding more like Baghdad Bob every day. Republicans must really be panicking if even tankies are trying to reassure us that Trump is more popular than ever. I gotta say that it is a bit funny how he constantly shifts literally everything to "But democrats bad!". Usually within the first sentence of his post. It is so iconic that i can immediately tell a post is from GH without even reading the name next to it.
They shit on Democrats more than the actual Republicans in this thread (assuming they aren't a Republican themself IRL, which is by no means a safe assumption). Rayzda and oBlade could learn from them. Nobody's buying that Trump had a really good reason to pardon a literal drug lord, so just distract and say "Democrats weak", throw in something about Israel and bam, distraction complete.
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I don't think that making fun of GH or trying to pretend like Trump's approval ratings are insane considering everything he's been doing will make the fact that the USA is in a horrible place right now go away.
Trump is enjoying a better approval rating then Biden during the same time in their presidency, Biden did more or less 0 controversial or fucked up shit in the same period, Trump attacked Iran, tried to shut down Venezuelan air space over a tweet, is obviously planning to invade them, sent militarized ICE all over the USA to brutalize immigrants, declared that there are only 2 genders, pardoned Jan 6th rioters, drug lords, crypto bros, accepted a plane as a bribe from Qatar, started a trade war with the whole world, blew a huge hole in the budget and accelerated inflation.
That's just the tip of the iceberg, there is so much more (didn't even mention Epstein, Ukraine, Comey etc.), and his approval is better then the guy who didn't even start showing serious signs of decline or fucked up the Afghanistan pull out.
This is not good, GH is right to be a doomer over it and he hasn't even mentioned Democrats, this is about Americans being on board with horrible shit, in huge numbers.
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On December 03 2025 02:37 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2025 02:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 03 2025 02:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 03 2025 01:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 03 2025 01:29 LightSpectra wrote:
His own disciples seem to be getting tired of it too, judging by the crashing polls and nonstop reports of low morale in virtually every government agency. I didn't realize this was the case, but the evidence does seem to support it: + Show Spoiler +"Enten cited a recent Gallup poll that saw Trump’s net approval rating sink to -24 percent from -1 percent in January. “We’re talking about a drop of over 20 points in the wrong direction for the president of the United States,” the analyst said. The only president who was less popular than Trump at this point in his second term? Richard Nixon, who had an approval rating of -36 points just a few months before he resigned from office. “Anywhere you look this is the second-worst for a president of either party in their second term dating all the way back since the 1940s,” Enten said." https://newrepublic.com/post/203799/donald-trump-popular-poll-richard-nixon "President Donald Trump’s job approval rating has fallen five percentage points to 36%, the lowest of his second term, while disapproval has risen to 60%. ... Both Republicans’ and independents’ ratings of Trump have worsened significantly since last month. Republicans’ approval has fallen seven points to 84%, while independents’ has slipped eight points to 25%. Republicans’ rating is the lowest of Trump’s second term, while independents’ is the worst in either term. Trump’s prior low point among independents, 29%, was last recorded in July and, prior to that, was only seen once before, in August 2017. Meanwhile, Democrats’ rating of the president remains mired in the low single digits (3%)." https://news.gallup.com/poll/699221/trump-approval-rating-drops-new-second-term-low.aspx "316 days into Donald Trump's term: The president's net approval rating is -19%, down 0.6 points since last week. 38% approve, 57% disapprove, 4% not sure. Once the honeymoon is over, presidents tend to lose popularity quickly. But no recent president has fallen so low so quickly as Donald Trump. At the start of his second term public opinion was nearly evenly divided between those who approved of the president and those who did not. Things have since changed—his net approval is now lower than at any point in his first term. Rather than rebounding after the end of America’s longest ever government shutdown, Mr Trump’s popularity has continued to sink. Americans are particularly dissatisfied with Mr Trump’s handling of inflation and the economy, two issues which were key to his re-election last November. Young and non-white voters, many of whom abandoned Democrats because of concerns about the cost of living, are now souring on Mr Trump faster than other groups. It was those voters who fuelled Democratic victories in governor elections in Virginia and New Jersey—an ominous sign for Republicans before next year’s midterm elections." https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker On the other hand, Trump's job approval is better at this point in his presidency than it was last time. https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/approval-ratingHe doesn't have the best spread, but 43% also gives him the highest percentage of people rating him favorably out of political party leaders. www.realclearpolling.com Compared to Nov/Dec of 2017? Sure, but that's only because he set the bar so disastrously low back then. His current 43% is the lowest of his entire second term (so far), which has been consistently decreasing since June. He's polling better than last time. Polling better than Biden at this point, and well above Biden's low. He has the highest favorables of any political party leader. The perception that this is unprecedentedly awful or that his support is "crashing" is basically just spin/copium. It's in the "normal range" after an anomalously high start for Trump. Show nested quote +On December 03 2025 02:32 LightSpectra wrote:
Loving that GH is sounding more like Baghdad Bob every day. Republicans must really be panicking if even tankies are trying to reassure us that Trump is more popular than ever. I love how you shamelessly create the "Trump is more popular than ever" strawman to disregard the plain facts about the context of Trump's polling I presented to you.
Eh, you're both right. It's difficult to get excited about his approval dropping to the "abyss" of 42.5% which every other world leader would kill for. But it's also not meaningless that his net disapproval has grown by 6 points in the past couple of months.
'Don't cares' moving to 'nays' is important, that's the battleground, winning over his identitarian cultists is not going to happen and it makes comparisons to the polling of normal political figures misleading.
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On December 03 2025 02:48 Jankisa wrote:
I don't think that making fun of GH or trying to pretend like Trump's approval ratings are insane considering everything he's been doing will make the fact that the USA is in a horrible place right now go away.
Trump is enjoying a better approval rating then Biden during the same time in their presidency, Biden did more or less 0 controversial or fucked up shit in the same period, Trump attacked Iran, tried to shut down Venezuelan air space over a tweet, is obviously planning to invade them, sent militarized ICE all over the USA to brutalize immigrants, declared that there are only 2 genders, pardoned Jan 6th rioters, drug lords, crypto bros, accepted a plane as a bribe from Qatar, started a trade war with the whole world, blew a huge hole in the budget and accelerated inflation.
That's just the tip of the iceberg, there is so much more (didn't even mention Epstein, Ukraine, Comey etc.), and his approval is better then the guy who didn't even start showing serious signs of decline or fucked up the Afghanistan pull out.
This is not good, GH is right to be a doomer over it and he hasn't even mentioned Democrats, this is about Americans being on board with horrible shit, in huge numbers.
Realclearpolling is the only source I can find that shows Trump's approval rating that high. Every other pollster is saying it's record-breakingly low. But you don't even have to trust polls. Just look at election results. The November 2025 elections were a Republican wipeout even in deep red states. Trump is holding a digital rally for a House seat in Tennessee that should be +22 R margins.
Comparing it to Biden at the same time is misleading because people were pissed about the bill that eventually became the Inflation Reduction Act seemingly failing to pass, but it eventually did pass, hence why Democratic losses in the 2022 midterms were historically a lot better than most presidencies for their midterms.
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On December 03 2025 02:37 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2025 02:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 03 2025 02:12 GreenHorizons wrote:On December 03 2025 01:37 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 03 2025 01:29 LightSpectra wrote:
His own disciples seem to be getting tired of it too, judging by the crashing polls and nonstop reports of low morale in virtually every government agency. I didn't realize this was the case, but the evidence does seem to support it: + Show Spoiler +"Enten cited a recent Gallup poll that saw Trump’s net approval rating sink to -24 percent from -1 percent in January. “We’re talking about a drop of over 20 points in the wrong direction for the president of the United States,” the analyst said. The only president who was less popular than Trump at this point in his second term? Richard Nixon, who had an approval rating of -36 points just a few months before he resigned from office. “Anywhere you look this is the second-worst for a president of either party in their second term dating all the way back since the 1940s,” Enten said." https://newrepublic.com/post/203799/donald-trump-popular-poll-richard-nixon "President Donald Trump’s job approval rating has fallen five percentage points to 36%, the lowest of his second term, while disapproval has risen to 60%. ... Both Republicans’ and independents’ ratings of Trump have worsened significantly since last month. Republicans’ approval has fallen seven points to 84%, while independents’ has slipped eight points to 25%. Republicans’ rating is the lowest of Trump’s second term, while independents’ is the worst in either term. Trump’s prior low point among independents, 29%, was last recorded in July and, prior to that, was only seen once before, in August 2017. Meanwhile, Democrats’ rating of the president remains mired in the low single digits (3%)." https://news.gallup.com/poll/699221/trump-approval-rating-drops-new-second-term-low.aspx "316 days into Donald Trump's term: The president's net approval rating is -19%, down 0.6 points since last week. 38% approve, 57% disapprove, 4% not sure. Once the honeymoon is over, presidents tend to lose popularity quickly. But no recent president has fallen so low so quickly as Donald Trump. At the start of his second term public opinion was nearly evenly divided between those who approved of the president and those who did not. Things have since changed—his net approval is now lower than at any point in his first term. Rather than rebounding after the end of America’s longest ever government shutdown, Mr Trump’s popularity has continued to sink. Americans are particularly dissatisfied with Mr Trump’s handling of inflation and the economy, two issues which were key to his re-election last November. Young and non-white voters, many of whom abandoned Democrats because of concerns about the cost of living, are now souring on Mr Trump faster than other groups. It was those voters who fuelled Democratic victories in governor elections in Virginia and New Jersey—an ominous sign for Republicans before next year’s midterm elections." https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker On the other hand, Trump's job approval is better at this point in his presidency than it was last time. https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/approval-ratingHe doesn't have the best spread, but 43% also gives him the highest percentage of people rating him favorably out of political party leaders. www.realclearpolling.com Compared to Nov/Dec of 2017? Sure, but that's only because he set the bar so disastrously low back then. His current 43% is the lowest of his entire second term (so far), which has been consistently decreasing since June. He's polling better than last time. Polling better than Biden at this point, and well above Biden's low. He has the highest favorables of any political party leader. The perception that this is unprecedentedly awful or that his support is "crashing" is basically just spin/copium. It's in the "normal range" after an anomalously high start for Trump.
First of all, the whataboutisms of Biden and other politicians are irrelevant here; we're talking about whether or not Trump's approval rating has been decreasing over the past few months.
Second, LightSpectra is correct that Trump's polls have been significantly declining. If you think it's an exaggeration to call it a "crash", then okay, but it's certainly not "spin/copium". If anything, it's "spin/copium" to take a conversation about absolute data and turn it into a conversation about relative data to try and reject what the absolute data shows.
Third, your comparison between Trump's first term and Trump's second term is still not what we're talking about, but even so, they're not that far off from each other. Trump's first year of his first term saw a drop from about 45% to about 37% (a decline of 8%, give or take 1 or 2 percentage points), while Trump's first year of his second term saw a drop from about 50% to 43% (a decline of 7%, give or take 1 or 2 percentage points). It's a non sequitur to say that Trump's approval isn't currently crashing just because the decline is almost-but-not-quite-as-bad-as his approval 8 years ago. He also crashed 8 years ago, as have other presidents throughout history, but that's not what we're talking about.
It'd be like me saying "over the weekend, I got hurt - I broke my leg", and you countering with "no you didn't get hurt, because a few years ago you broke your leg and also your arm at the same time, and besides, I know another guy who got decapitated".
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On December 03 2025 02:53 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2025 02:48 Jankisa wrote:
I don't think that making fun of GH or trying to pretend like Trump's approval ratings are insane considering everything he's been doing will make the fact that the USA is in a horrible place right now go away.
Trump is enjoying a better approval rating then Biden during the same time in their presidency, Biden did more or less 0 controversial or fucked up shit in the same period, Trump attacked Iran, tried to shut down Venezuelan air space over a tweet, is obviously planning to invade them, sent militarized ICE all over the USA to brutalize immigrants, declared that there are only 2 genders, pardoned Jan 6th rioters, drug lords, crypto bros, accepted a plane as a bribe from Qatar, started a trade war with the whole world, blew a huge hole in the budget and accelerated inflation.
That's just the tip of the iceberg, there is so much more (didn't even mention Epstein, Ukraine, Comey etc.), and his approval is better then the guy who didn't even start showing serious signs of decline or fucked up the Afghanistan pull out.
This is not good, GH is right to be a doomer over it and he hasn't even mentioned Democrats, this is about Americans being on board with horrible shit, in huge numbers. Realclearpolling is the only source I can find that shows Trump's approval rating that high. Every other pollster is saying it's record-breakingly low. But you don't even have to trust polls. Just look at election results. The November 2025 elections were a Republican wipeout even in deep red states. Trump is holding a digital rally for a House seat in Tennessee that should be +22 R margins. Comparing it to Biden at the same time is misleading because people were pissed about the bill that eventually became the Inflation Reduction Act seemingly failing to pass, but it eventually did pass, hence why Democratic losses in the 2022 midterms were historically a lot better than most presidencies for their midterms.
It's not a single source, it's an aggregate, they list all the sources. While the ones with the lowest disapproval of Trump tend to be obscure pollsters that skew right, it's also true that in every election Trump has done slightly better than the RCP average.
Agreed with you on the other points though.
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On December 03 2025 02:53 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2025 02:48 Jankisa wrote:
I don't think that making fun of GH or trying to pretend like Trump's approval ratings are insane considering everything he's been doing will make the fact that the USA is in a horrible place right now go away.
Trump is enjoying a better approval rating then Biden during the same time in their presidency, Biden did more or less 0 controversial or fucked up shit in the same period, Trump attacked Iran, tried to shut down Venezuelan air space over a tweet, is obviously planning to invade them, sent militarized ICE all over the USA to brutalize immigrants, declared that there are only 2 genders, pardoned Jan 6th rioters, drug lords, crypto bros, accepted a plane as a bribe from Qatar, started a trade war with the whole world, blew a huge hole in the budget and accelerated inflation.
That's just the tip of the iceberg, there is so much more (didn't even mention Epstein, Ukraine, Comey etc.), and his approval is better then the guy who didn't even start showing serious signs of decline or fucked up the Afghanistan pull out.
This is not good, GH is right to be a doomer over it and he hasn't even mentioned Democrats, this is about Americans being on board with horrible shit, in huge numbers. Realclearpolling is the only source I can find that shows Trump's approval rating that high. Every other pollster is saying it's record-breakingly low. But you don't even have to trust polls. Just look at election results. The November 2025 elections were a Republican wipeout even in deep red states. Trump is holding a digital rally for a House seat in Tennessee that should be +22 R margins. Comparing it to Biden at the same time is misleading because people were pissed about the bill that eventually became the Inflation Reduction Act seemingly failing to pass, but it eventually did pass, hence why Democratic losses in the 2022 midterms were historically a lot better than most presidencies for their midterms.
GH just cherry-picked a single category of polling data (job-specific approval/disapproval), which is why the numbers don't quite line up with overall scores; he was making yet another irrelevant point of comparison, since we're not comparing Trump 2 to Trump 1, or Trump to Biden, or any specific subset/category (like jobs, foreign policy, inflation, etc.). We're simply looking at Trump 2's change of overall approval rating over the past few months, where even the cherry-picked job-specific approval/disapproval numbers have declined.
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On December 03 2025 02:48 Jankisa wrote:
This is not good, GH is right to be a doomer over it and he hasn't even mentioned Democrats, this is about Americans being on board with horrible shit, in huge numbers.
He did mention Democrats ("we all know Democrats won't be able to do much of anything"), and he also mentioned Biden in particular ("Polling better than Biden at this point, and well above Biden's low").
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On December 03 2025 02:48 Jankisa wrote:
I don't think that making fun of GH or trying to pretend like Trump's approval ratings are insane considering everything he's been doing will make the fact that the USA is in a horrible place right now go away.
Trump is enjoying a better approval rating then Biden during the same time in their presidency, Biden did more or less 0 controversial or fucked up shit in the same period, Trump attacked Iran, tried to shut down Venezuelan air space over a tweet, is obviously planning to invade them, sent militarized ICE all over the USA to brutalize immigrants, declared that there are only 2 genders, pardoned Jan 6th rioters, drug lords, crypto bros, accepted a plane as a bribe from Qatar, started a trade war with the whole world, blew a huge hole in the budget and accelerated inflation.
That's just the tip of the iceberg, there is so much more (didn't even mention Epstein, Ukraine, Comey etc.), and his approval is better then the guy who didn't even start showing serious signs of decline or fucked up the Afghanistan pull out.
This is not good, GH is right to be a doomer over it and he hasn't even mentioned Democrats, this is about Americans being on board with horrible shit, in huge numbers.
(EDIT: Sorry, almost forgot. Trump is irredeemably awful and anyone that supports him is deplorable imo.)
I really want you to try to get through to them on this. At least articulate why you give up if you do please?
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Maybe 36% support war crimes and open corruption because people like you gaslit them into thinking BoTh SiDeS bAd?
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Anyone that still hasn't realised Republican approval has a hard floor because 80%+ of Republicans will always support a Republican President no matter what they are doing hasn't been paying attention.
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The Republicans I know in real life fall into two groups: mask-off racists, and anti-abortion religious zealots. Neither will ever vote for Democrats. The only way they would ever not vote for Trump or any other Republican is if news came out that he was gay (for the former) or would appoint a non-antiabortion SCOTUS Justice (for the latter).
So it kinda sucks that somewhere between 25 to 40% of voters are always going to vote Republican no matter how bad it gets, but the good news is Republicans can't win elections with just that much support. They need independents that worry about grocery prices and don't like wars. They have, it seems, completely lost all those independents, judging by the 2025 elections. They could perhaps win them back, but not by pardoning drug lords, invading Venezuela, pretending the Epstein list never existed, and cutting more taxes and regulation for megacorps and banks. Pointing at some polling aggregate that shows Trump is still super popular (lmao) is not going to change that.
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