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On December 01 2025 22:43 KT_Elwood wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2025 22:22 Gorsameth wrote:On December 01 2025 21:11 KT_Elwood wrote:Why is killing/removing Maduro in Venezuela bad? + Show Spoiler +I mean of course the manpower and material would be needed in ukraine, Trump again is breaking promises, and only does this to make $$$.. but Maduro seems like an asshole. A Country with "free" gasoline.. that's...outragious!
Given the power imbalance.... this will be over quick and than it's US nation-building again - as was to be expected because Trump said he wasn't going to do it. Spiking Oil-Prices would be beneficial to the friends of the golden toilet around the globe and hide the ongoing recession - created by Trump-Tariffs. Take out the specific person and try again. Superpower doesn't like country, starts unprovoked war and removes their leadership. When has this ever in the history of mankind lead to an improvement in anyone's situation?
The only equivalent to this would be: Putin dead.
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On December 01 2025 16:27 Legan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2025 08:37 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On December 01 2025 08:00 Legan wrote: and drill for any offshore oil. Some people will complain, but many will remain silent to avoid having trouble with their own issues. Trump and Co. will hold anything against anyone who dares to complain. The whole thing will be forgotten in no time. Only people who are considered anti-USA will remember it and bring it up later as an example of the USA acting aggressively. the oil requires a lot of refining. a metric tonne of infrastructure will have to be put in place to make that possible. Trump will be long gone by the time that becomes possible. The political will to flagrantly break international law will dissipate after Trump's tenure is over. . The oil is likely more of a bonus for Trump than the war's real goal. He will get his bribes for handing the oil over to companies much earlier. He will probably also use them to claim that the war was profitable for the USA, unlike Iraq or Afghanistan, which will probably do well with his base. Even if the will to break international law dissipates, which I doubt, the wrongdoings will not be acted upon.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the pilots that have (allegedly) murdered Venezuelans be scapegoated and pointed to as "better than nothing" or some variation (sorta like Abu Ghraib ) .
I wonder what Democrat supporters actually expect?
Imagine I could wave a wand and influence millions of people to vote for Democrats that otherwise wouldn't, as a consequence, they win. What would Democrats give them regarding holding these criminals accountable?
I'm sure there's no shortage of excuses for why they can't be expected to do much, but no amount of excuses will actually reduce the minimum level of accountability required to maintain this "civilization" as we know it.
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On December 02 2025 01:17 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2025 16:27 Legan wrote:On December 01 2025 08:37 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On December 01 2025 08:00 Legan wrote: and drill for any offshore oil. Some people will complain, but many will remain silent to avoid having trouble with their own issues. Trump and Co. will hold anything against anyone who dares to complain. The whole thing will be forgotten in no time. Only people who are considered anti-USA will remember it and bring it up later as an example of the USA acting aggressively. the oil requires a lot of refining. a metric tonne of infrastructure will have to be put in place to make that possible. Trump will be long gone by the time that becomes possible. The political will to flagrantly break international law will dissipate after Trump's tenure is over. . The oil is likely more of a bonus for Trump than the war's real goal. He will get his bribes for handing the oil over to companies much earlier. He will probably also use them to claim that the war was profitable for the USA, unlike Iraq or Afghanistan, which will probably do well with his base. Even if the will to break international law dissipates, which I doubt, the wrongdoings will not be acted upon. I wouldn't be surprised to see the pilots that have (allegedly) murdered Venezuelans be scapegoated and pointed to as "better than nothing" or some variation (sorta like Abu Ghraib ) . I wonder what Democrat supporters actually expect? Imagine I could wave a wand and influence millions of people to vote for Democrats that otherwise wouldn't, as a consequence, they win. What would Democrats give them regarding holding these criminals accountable? I'm sure there's no shortage of excuses for why they can't be expected to do much, but no amount of excuses will actually reduce the minimum level of accountability required to maintain this "civilization" as we know it.
Civilizations are organized around densely populated settlements, divided into more or less rigid hierarchical social classes of division of labour, often with a ruling elite and subordinate urban and rural populations, which engage in intensive agriculture, mining, small-scale manufacture and trade. Civilization concentrates power, extending human control over the rest of nature, including over other human beings.[7] Civilizations are characterized by elaborate agriculture, architecture, infrastructure, technological advancement, currency, taxation, regulation, and specialization of labour.[5][6][8]
From wiki. Based on the definition we are trending towards more civilization as democracy is a lesser version of this part of the definition. So I understand your quotes, if Democrats get elected we once again move further away from civilization due to lower control over other human beings.
Your overall point though that they will not be held accountable is most likely true. Hard to prove one way or another if those were drug ships or not. Most people bombing in Vietnam didn't get much legal repercussion from it, don't see why that would change here.
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On December 01 2025 23:15 Legan wrote:
I think the main scepticism about eliminating Maduro is that there is no trust in Trump and others. Trump won't care about Venezuelans, and any new government will have to prioritise pleasing Trump over their own people. This gives Trump and his friends quite a few options. Military junta, puppet, Milei-like libertarian, or Board for Peace all seem like options they could go for. These are unlikely to stop the campaign against narcoterrorists, and I doubt they care if strikes blow up innocent people who are being forced to work for cartels. How long this would last is also questionable.
Outside of Venezuela, there is a chance that a similar strategy will be implemented against other South American countries, and the campaign against narcoterrorists can be expanded. Trump has already attacked at least Honduras and Brazil over their current leadership.
Maybe not so many will get killed in chaos or by the USA, but fear and control will allow wealth to be funnelled to Trump and those willing to support him. I second the skeptical attitude on doing this to Maduro in view of using this strategy for other nations. Congress needs to force a vote on a declaration of war or belligerent act, and a vote on impeachment following. Not that either has a high likelihood of success, but to get congressmen and senators on record for the next election and for the historical record. This power resides in Congress. If they're unwilling to exert it forcefully, then they ought to be made to record their votes of infamy.
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The issue with accountability with the latest strike is not even if DOD has had these strikes vetted, if they had proper evidence, if they had any proof that there are any drugs or anything illicit on the boat, the issue is that it's a fucking war crime to execute people, even enemy combatants.
I mean, in a normal country these kind of questions would be very important and the government couldn't just ignore them, but that's besides the point.
The issue is that what is being reported is that:
1. United states DOD (I refuse to call it department of war because I am not a 12 year old boy) did a strike on an "enemy combatant", they designated them as Narcoterrorist so let's say this part was/is legitimate, even if it was done with no due process etc.
2. The people who performed the strike determined that there were survivors of the strike, of which they informed their superiors
3. Their superiors then gave them an order that is completely and blatantly illegal, to execute people who have been rendered not a threat by the first strike, this is a war crime by any and all definitions, and an illegal order
4. These orders were followed and the war crime was committed
There is no interpretation of this where a war crime wasn't committed.
Similarly to this, even if Republicans in congress vote for an intervention in Venezuela (which they won't because their majority is weak and there is enough Rand Paul's around to not pass this vote) it would still be an illegal intervention, there is absolutely no evidence of the Maduro regime being suppliers to drugs to USA, and even if there was, how is taht a justification to invade, the pretext is bullshit and you can't just go around and invade countries.
For fuck sake, as shit as Russian pretext for attacking Ukraine was at least they put in 8 years of bullshit in with supporting the "DPR and LPR militias" with weapons and little green men, this is just insane.
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Autopen user Donald Trump is (again) complaining about how Joe Biden used an autopen.
On Truth Social: ""Any document signed by Sleepy Joe Biden with the Autopen, which was approximately 92% of them, is hereby terminated, and of no further force or effect," Trump wrote."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/11/28/trump-says-joe-biden-autopen-actions-are-terminated/87514381007/
Fortunately, Trump announcing this on social media doesn't actually mean anything legally, even if he uses the word "hereby". There also doesn't seem to be evidence of "92%", not that that's the most important part.
Unfortunately, "Mr. Trump has already rolled back dozens of Biden's executive orders. The president rescinded nearly 70 of Biden's executive orders shortly after he was sworn in on Jan. 20 for his second term and another 19 on March 14, according to the White House." https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-cancels-biden-orders-signed-autopen/
Also, Trump doesn't understand what perjury is:
"“Joe Biden was not involved in the Autopen process and, if he says he was, he will be brought up on charges of perjury,” Trump continued in his Friday Truth Social post. Perjury is the crime of lying under oath; Biden has not publicly testified under oath about the autopen." https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/trump-cancelling-biden-executive-orders-signed-autopen-rcna246373
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