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On November 13 2025 00:46 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2025 00:32 JimmyJRaynor wrote:sry for the double post. On November 13 2025 00:31 WombaT wrote:On November 12 2025 23:45 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On November 12 2025 23:41 WombaT wrote:On November 12 2025 23:30 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Welp, after listening to Mamdani's position and Hochul's position on NYC the best thing a lower middle class person or a working poor person can do to improve their life is to move out of the city. Mamdani is not going to change much. Possibly, stricter enforcement of existing regulations on apartment building owners is one big thing Mamdani can make happen.
Waiting for Mamdani to fix things is a waste of time. Is there a socio-economic problem going to which your solution isn’t ‘just move’? it appears the people in the Bronx, the poorest area of NYC, agree with me. Population declined by 116,178 in 2023. Of course, new people enter. So we're prolly looking at 10% of people leaving. Studies indicate they left NYC altogether. https://www.nyc.gov/assets/planning/download/pdf/planning-level/nyc-population/population-estimates/current-population-estimates-2023-June2024-release.pdf?r=1This is a story as old as time. Perhaps it is hard for people living in small European countries to understand? In NA, you go where the jobs are. My wife's 26 year old nephew bought a house in Frederickburg, Virginia. He works in Washington DC. He grew up at least a 1 hour drive from both of these places. Why would he do this? Its the only way he can afford a house. My great grandfather moved from Montreal to a suburb of Toronto some 6 hours away by car. why? better job and he could afford a house. Hardly any of my 30 cousins who grew up in the Greater Toronto area are still here. why? the economy is garbage. They are getting better jobs elsewhere. From 1950 to 2008 the economy was amazing in Toronto. Now its crap. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/ontario-alberta-move-migration-population-outflow-1.6778456imagine if David Kim, Dustin Browder, and Artosis never left the town where they grew up. It'd be a different world. it'd be bizarro world. Why have any restrictions on immigration then? I mean if ‘just move’ is the catch all solution to everything then it seems unfair to gate people out. It’s not really my criticism of your worldview. It’s your application of it to basically everything. Why bother to even attempt to tackle the issues that people are having, sure everyone can just move and it’ll be fine? you move within the country. Canada is a big country. USA is a big country. Canada elected a man of average intelligence as PM and there were no leaders on the horizon as smart as guys like Pierre Trudeau and Jean Chretien.. .so I left. There was nothing I could do as an individual to change Canada's leadership void. The working poor in the Bronx can tell nothing is going to change. So, they are leaving. meh. Again, its pretty simple. You move where the jobs are. On November 13 2025 00:10 Jankisa wrote:
I don't try to tell other people they should smoke or drink or that whatever working for them is wrong and they should stop, it's a nice way to go through life, at least for me. i advocate for learning as much as one can about the human body because the medical system is cratering. None of your reasoning tracks logically. You left Canada because they elected someone of average intelligence, and you want someone extremely smart. That is not the worst explanation, until you realize that you moved to a country with perhaps the dumbest leader in the world. A guy who doesn’t understand percentages, draws sharpies on maps when he doesn’t like them, claims to have invented common words, thinks cognitive tests are hard, thinks you need your ID to buy groceries, and a thousand other really stupid things.
really smart leaders like Trudeau, Chretien, Harris, and Davis facilitated a very high standard of living within Canada. This includes lots of great work offering great pay. the opportunities were amazing. The decline started around 2008 as these guys were long gone.
The new leaders were not as good. They are not idiots though. So the decline was slow.. but it was there. the decline in leadership began and a decline in the standard of living soon followed.
i am not an anomaly. most of my graduating class left for the USA as well.
Trump is smarter than Justin. its not even close.
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Northern Ireland26225 Posts
So is the UK.
The thing is you don’t advocate for moving in the instance of those wider trends or politics failures, you advocate against even trying to address them. Because everyone can just move.
The criticism isn’t that it’s not a valid option for some people, it’s literally your only solution to anything.
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On November 13 2025 00:54 WombaT wrote:
So is the UK. \
The thing is you don’t advocate for moving in the instance of those wider trends or politics failures, you advocate against even trying to address them. Because everyone can just move.
The criticism isn’t that it’s not a valid option for some people, it’s literally your only solution to anything.
usually, it is the best solution. Vote With Your Feet. you'll notice i'm not on the forums screaming about how Blizzard should buff the Reaper so it can be used in the late game. I just don't make Reapers after 3 minutes. meh.
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On November 13 2025 00:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2025 00:16 Jankisa wrote:On November 13 2025 00:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
This is a pretty big miss, unless you're cherry-picking and reinterpreting religious texts and specific sects big time. I'm pretty sure that a life of a devout Buddhist would be even better, meat is also bad, and from what I know, they don't have the shitty views on women and gay people, plus, unlike Christianity and Islam they don't have the problematic pedophilia streak or the issues with, you know, not having issues with slavery. Yeah, Buddhism is definitely a step in the right direction regarding a lot of ethical views. Show nested quote +On November 13 2025 00:32 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On November 13 2025 00:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 12 2025 23:41 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On November 12 2025 23:33 Jankisa wrote:
Gambling, just like most other vices were always the sport of the poor, means of control and means of rich getting richer.
I like to play Poker, not online, just in real life, with friends, always friendly, cash games. During the first 10-20 hands, the game is most fun, everyone is basically on even ground, relatively risk averse and we can all play.
As soon as a few win a few big hands, the small players get pushed out. The only way to get back into the game on equal footing is by buying in with 2-3 x the amount that you initially invested, because the folks that won early will bully you out, raising the stakes with relatively speaking weak hands because they have the capital to make this risk. And, as luck goes, a lot of the times you will pay them with excellent cards and get cleaned out because you had terrible luck when turn and river come.
It's similar to Crypto and other forms of gambling, later you come in smaller the chance is that you will come away as a winner. That's why people who are already in try to talk everyone else to do it, they are their exit liquidity.
I was horrified when Americans, well, Trump, in 2018 legalized gambling federally, as with everything, Americans took it and ran with it to a point where it's unavoidable and frankly disgusting. I'm not saying that this wasn't the case before, there were some sponsorships, but now, even European leagues and clubs are all sponsored by gambling.
My country's Football GOAT, Modrić, is out there pimping shitty Gambling sites despite making 20 Million a year, despite teenage gambling being a huge issue here in Croatia, they all just don't care.
And the extent it's fucking up sports is not even close to being fully revealed, just recently NBA got hit by huge scandals, MMA, Boxing, American Football is going to be next, it seeps into everything and makes everything shitty.
Maybe the rise of this came from the general embrace of Crypto as a means to get rich quick, I don't know, but this whole mentality is horrific and sooner or later we are all going to be paying consequences for this, from the recession that is going to be coming from the crashes to having to deal with a mental health crisis, specifically among young men who will in congruence with everything else be ripe for destroying the whole world, just huge swaths of desperate people with extremely high tolerance for risk coming in to maturity ready to fuck shit up.
Sigh. great post. These are great points. don't gamble. don't drink. don't smoke. eat only whole foods. never eat anything wrapped in plastic and especially wrapped in plastic encased in a box. it is amazing how living the life of a devout christian or devout muslim has become a great way to exist in North America's degenerated, declining state. This is a pretty big miss, unless you're cherry-picking and reinterpreting religious texts and specific sects big time. Just off the hop. devout religious people have children. its an important part of their existence. Very generally speaking, 75% of 42 year old religious people have kids. 42% of 42 year old non-religious people have kids. WIth the birth rate cratering the devout religious people having 3+ kids become more and more valuable. So what? Quality over quantity. Simply having kids isn't going to get rid of degeneration if the families instill immoral, outdated, toxic values.
unfortunately, when the birth rate is South Korea's 0.7 ... quantity matters a lot.
degeneration is avoided by being a devout religious person.
and outdated? outdated by what standard? immoral? by what standard?
Also, the bigger any religion the more problems you'll be able to notice. You'll notice it because its big. It is far easier to make a company of 10 run perfectly than a company of 100,000.
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On November 13 2025 00:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2025 00:46 Billyboy wrote:On November 13 2025 00:32 JimmyJRaynor wrote:sry for the double post. On November 13 2025 00:31 WombaT wrote:On November 12 2025 23:45 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On November 12 2025 23:41 WombaT wrote:On November 12 2025 23:30 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Welp, after listening to Mamdani's position and Hochul's position on NYC the best thing a lower middle class person or a working poor person can do to improve their life is to move out of the city. Mamdani is not going to change much. Possibly, stricter enforcement of existing regulations on apartment building owners is one big thing Mamdani can make happen.
Waiting for Mamdani to fix things is a waste of time. Is there a socio-economic problem going to which your solution isn’t ‘just move’? it appears the people in the Bronx, the poorest area of NYC, agree with me. Population declined by 116,178 in 2023. Of course, new people enter. So we're prolly looking at 10% of people leaving. Studies indicate they left NYC altogether. https://www.nyc.gov/assets/planning/download/pdf/planning-level/nyc-population/population-estimates/current-population-estimates-2023-June2024-release.pdf?r=1This is a story as old as time. Perhaps it is hard for people living in small European countries to understand? In NA, you go where the jobs are. My wife's 26 year old nephew bought a house in Frederickburg, Virginia. He works in Washington DC. He grew up at least a 1 hour drive from both of these places. Why would he do this? Its the only way he can afford a house. My great grandfather moved from Montreal to a suburb of Toronto some 6 hours away by car. why? better job and he could afford a house. Hardly any of my 30 cousins who grew up in the Greater Toronto area are still here. why? the economy is garbage. They are getting better jobs elsewhere. From 1950 to 2008 the economy was amazing in Toronto. Now its crap. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/ontario-alberta-move-migration-population-outflow-1.6778456imagine if David Kim, Dustin Browder, and Artosis never left the town where they grew up. It'd be a different world. it'd be bizarro world. Why have any restrictions on immigration then? I mean if ‘just move’ is the catch all solution to everything then it seems unfair to gate people out. It’s not really my criticism of your worldview. It’s your application of it to basically everything. Why bother to even attempt to tackle the issues that people are having, sure everyone can just move and it’ll be fine? you move within the country. Canada is a big country. USA is a big country. Canada elected a man of average intelligence as PM and there were no leaders on the horizon as smart as guys like Pierre Trudeau and Jean Chretien.. .so I left. There was nothing I could do as an individual to change Canada's leadership void. The working poor in the Bronx can tell nothing is going to change. So, they are leaving. meh. Again, its pretty simple. You move where the jobs are. On November 13 2025 00:10 Jankisa wrote:
I don't try to tell other people they should smoke or drink or that whatever working for them is wrong and they should stop, it's a nice way to go through life, at least for me. i advocate for learning as much as one can about the human body because the medical system is cratering. None of your reasoning tracks logically. You left Canada because they elected someone of average intelligence, and you want someone extremely smart. That is not the worst explanation, until you realize that you moved to a country with perhaps the dumbest leader in the world. A guy who doesn’t understand percentages, draws sharpies on maps when he doesn’t like them, claims to have invented common words, thinks cognitive tests are hard, thinks you need your ID to buy groceries, and a thousand other really stupid things. really smart leaders like Trudeau, Chretien, Harris, and Davis facilitated a very high standard of living within Canada. This includes lots of great work offering great pay. the opportunities were amazing. The decline started around 2008 as these guys were long gone. The new leaders were not as good. They are not idiots though. So the decline was slow.. but it was there. the decline in leadership began and a decline in the standard of living soon followed. i am not an anomaly. most of my graduating class left for the USA as well. Trump is smarter than Justin. its not even close.
That you believe Trump is smart just shows how out of touch with reality you are.
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On November 13 2025 01:06 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2025 00:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 13 2025 00:16 Jankisa wrote:On November 13 2025 00:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
This is a pretty big miss, unless you're cherry-picking and reinterpreting religious texts and specific sects big time. I'm pretty sure that a life of a devout Buddhist would be even better, meat is also bad, and from what I know, they don't have the shitty views on women and gay people, plus, unlike Christianity and Islam they don't have the problematic pedophilia streak or the issues with, you know, not having issues with slavery. Yeah, Buddhism is definitely a step in the right direction regarding a lot of ethical views. On November 13 2025 00:32 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On November 13 2025 00:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 12 2025 23:41 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On November 12 2025 23:33 Jankisa wrote:
Gambling, just like most other vices were always the sport of the poor, means of control and means of rich getting richer.
I like to play Poker, not online, just in real life, with friends, always friendly, cash games. During the first 10-20 hands, the game is most fun, everyone is basically on even ground, relatively risk averse and we can all play.
As soon as a few win a few big hands, the small players get pushed out. The only way to get back into the game on equal footing is by buying in with 2-3 x the amount that you initially invested, because the folks that won early will bully you out, raising the stakes with relatively speaking weak hands because they have the capital to make this risk. And, as luck goes, a lot of the times you will pay them with excellent cards and get cleaned out because you had terrible luck when turn and river come.
It's similar to Crypto and other forms of gambling, later you come in smaller the chance is that you will come away as a winner. That's why people who are already in try to talk everyone else to do it, they are their exit liquidity.
I was horrified when Americans, well, Trump, in 2018 legalized gambling federally, as with everything, Americans took it and ran with it to a point where it's unavoidable and frankly disgusting. I'm not saying that this wasn't the case before, there were some sponsorships, but now, even European leagues and clubs are all sponsored by gambling.
My country's Football GOAT, Modrić, is out there pimping shitty Gambling sites despite making 20 Million a year, despite teenage gambling being a huge issue here in Croatia, they all just don't care.
And the extent it's fucking up sports is not even close to being fully revealed, just recently NBA got hit by huge scandals, MMA, Boxing, American Football is going to be next, it seeps into everything and makes everything shitty.
Maybe the rise of this came from the general embrace of Crypto as a means to get rich quick, I don't know, but this whole mentality is horrific and sooner or later we are all going to be paying consequences for this, from the recession that is going to be coming from the crashes to having to deal with a mental health crisis, specifically among young men who will in congruence with everything else be ripe for destroying the whole world, just huge swaths of desperate people with extremely high tolerance for risk coming in to maturity ready to fuck shit up.
Sigh. great post. These are great points. don't gamble. don't drink. don't smoke. eat only whole foods. never eat anything wrapped in plastic and especially wrapped in plastic encased in a box. it is amazing how living the life of a devout christian or devout muslim has become a great way to exist in North America's degenerated, declining state. This is a pretty big miss, unless you're cherry-picking and reinterpreting religious texts and specific sects big time. Just off the hop. devout religious people have children. its an important part of their existence. Very generally speaking, 75% of 42 year old religious people have kids. 42% of 42 year old non-religious people have kids. WIth the birth rate cratering the devout religious people having 3+ kids become more and more valuable. So what? Quality over quantity. Simply having kids isn't going to get rid of degeneration if the families instill immoral, outdated, toxic values. unfortunately, when the birth rate is South Korea's 0.7 ... quantity matters a lot. degeneration is avoided by being a devout religious person. and outdated? outdated by what standard? immoral? by what standard? Also, the bigger any religion the more problems you'll be able to notice. You'll notice it because its big. It is far easier to make a company of 10 run perfectly than a company of 100,000. I'm going to refrain from being pulled further in to an argument about whether or not ancient religions with ancient texts advocating immoral positions and perpetuating factually incorrect realities is technically, semantically, truly considered "outdated" and/or "degenerative", because this isn't a religious debate thread. If you want to continue bringing up religion and promoting certain religious faiths, maybe a blog post might be a better space for you to elaborate on your stances?
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On November 13 2025 01:14 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2025 00:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On November 13 2025 00:46 Billyboy wrote:On November 13 2025 00:32 JimmyJRaynor wrote:sry for the double post. On November 13 2025 00:31 WombaT wrote:On November 12 2025 23:45 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On November 12 2025 23:41 WombaT wrote:On November 12 2025 23:30 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Welp, after listening to Mamdani's position and Hochul's position on NYC the best thing a lower middle class person or a working poor person can do to improve their life is to move out of the city. Mamdani is not going to change much. Possibly, stricter enforcement of existing regulations on apartment building owners is one big thing Mamdani can make happen.
Waiting for Mamdani to fix things is a waste of time. Is there a socio-economic problem going to which your solution isn’t ‘just move’? it appears the people in the Bronx, the poorest area of NYC, agree with me. Population declined by 116,178 in 2023. Of course, new people enter. So we're prolly looking at 10% of people leaving. Studies indicate they left NYC altogether. https://www.nyc.gov/assets/planning/download/pdf/planning-level/nyc-population/population-estimates/current-population-estimates-2023-June2024-release.pdf?r=1This is a story as old as time. Perhaps it is hard for people living in small European countries to understand? In NA, you go where the jobs are. My wife's 26 year old nephew bought a house in Frederickburg, Virginia. He works in Washington DC. He grew up at least a 1 hour drive from both of these places. Why would he do this? Its the only way he can afford a house. My great grandfather moved from Montreal to a suburb of Toronto some 6 hours away by car. why? better job and he could afford a house. Hardly any of my 30 cousins who grew up in the Greater Toronto area are still here. why? the economy is garbage. They are getting better jobs elsewhere. From 1950 to 2008 the economy was amazing in Toronto. Now its crap. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/ontario-alberta-move-migration-population-outflow-1.6778456imagine if David Kim, Dustin Browder, and Artosis never left the town where they grew up. It'd be a different world. it'd be bizarro world. Why have any restrictions on immigration then? I mean if ‘just move’ is the catch all solution to everything then it seems unfair to gate people out. It’s not really my criticism of your worldview. It’s your application of it to basically everything. Why bother to even attempt to tackle the issues that people are having, sure everyone can just move and it’ll be fine? you move within the country. Canada is a big country. USA is a big country. Canada elected a man of average intelligence as PM and there were no leaders on the horizon as smart as guys like Pierre Trudeau and Jean Chretien.. .so I left. There was nothing I could do as an individual to change Canada's leadership void. The working poor in the Bronx can tell nothing is going to change. So, they are leaving. meh. Again, its pretty simple. You move where the jobs are. On November 13 2025 00:10 Jankisa wrote:
I don't try to tell other people they should smoke or drink or that whatever working for them is wrong and they should stop, it's a nice way to go through life, at least for me. i advocate for learning as much as one can about the human body because the medical system is cratering. None of your reasoning tracks logically. You left Canada because they elected someone of average intelligence, and you want someone extremely smart. That is not the worst explanation, until you realize that you moved to a country with perhaps the dumbest leader in the world. A guy who doesn’t understand percentages, draws sharpies on maps when he doesn’t like them, claims to have invented common words, thinks cognitive tests are hard, thinks you need your ID to buy groceries, and a thousand other really stupid things. really smart leaders like Trudeau, Chretien, Harris, and Davis facilitated a very high standard of living within Canada. This includes lots of great work offering great pay. the opportunities were amazing. The decline started around 2008 as these guys were long gone. The new leaders were not as good. They are not idiots though. So the decline was slow.. but it was there. the decline in leadership began and a decline in the standard of living soon followed. i am not an anomaly. most of my graduating class left for the USA as well. Trump is smarter than Justin. its not even close. That you believe Trump is smart just shows how out of touch with reality you are.
lol,. Trump is definitely starting to lose it. It is not hard to be smarter than Justin. Justin is of average intelligence. This is fine if you are a public high school teacher. It is not good if you are the leader of a G7 Nation.
On November 13 2025 01:17 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2025 01:06 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On November 13 2025 00:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 13 2025 00:16 Jankisa wrote:On November 13 2025 00:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
This is a pretty big miss, unless you're cherry-picking and reinterpreting religious texts and specific sects big time. I'm pretty sure that a life of a devout Buddhist would be even better, meat is also bad, and from what I know, they don't have the shitty views on women and gay people, plus, unlike Christianity and Islam they don't have the problematic pedophilia streak or the issues with, you know, not having issues with slavery. Yeah, Buddhism is definitely a step in the right direction regarding a lot of ethical views. On November 13 2025 00:32 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On November 13 2025 00:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 12 2025 23:41 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On November 12 2025 23:33 Jankisa wrote:
Gambling, just like most other vices were always the sport of the poor, means of control and means of rich getting richer.
I like to play Poker, not online, just in real life, with friends, always friendly, cash games. During the first 10-20 hands, the game is most fun, everyone is basically on even ground, relatively risk averse and we can all play.
As soon as a few win a few big hands, the small players get pushed out. The only way to get back into the game on equal footing is by buying in with 2-3 x the amount that you initially invested, because the folks that won early will bully you out, raising the stakes with relatively speaking weak hands because they have the capital to make this risk. And, as luck goes, a lot of the times you will pay them with excellent cards and get cleaned out because you had terrible luck when turn and river come.
It's similar to Crypto and other forms of gambling, later you come in smaller the chance is that you will come away as a winner. That's why people who are already in try to talk everyone else to do it, they are their exit liquidity.
I was horrified when Americans, well, Trump, in 2018 legalized gambling federally, as with everything, Americans took it and ran with it to a point where it's unavoidable and frankly disgusting. I'm not saying that this wasn't the case before, there were some sponsorships, but now, even European leagues and clubs are all sponsored by gambling.
My country's Football GOAT, Modrić, is out there pimping shitty Gambling sites despite making 20 Million a year, despite teenage gambling being a huge issue here in Croatia, they all just don't care.
And the extent it's fucking up sports is not even close to being fully revealed, just recently NBA got hit by huge scandals, MMA, Boxing, American Football is going to be next, it seeps into everything and makes everything shitty.
Maybe the rise of this came from the general embrace of Crypto as a means to get rich quick, I don't know, but this whole mentality is horrific and sooner or later we are all going to be paying consequences for this, from the recession that is going to be coming from the crashes to having to deal with a mental health crisis, specifically among young men who will in congruence with everything else be ripe for destroying the whole world, just huge swaths of desperate people with extremely high tolerance for risk coming in to maturity ready to fuck shit up.
Sigh. great post. These are great points. don't gamble. don't drink. don't smoke. eat only whole foods. never eat anything wrapped in plastic and especially wrapped in plastic encased in a box. it is amazing how living the life of a devout christian or devout muslim has become a great way to exist in North America's degenerated, declining state. This is a pretty big miss, unless you're cherry-picking and reinterpreting religious texts and specific sects big time. Just off the hop. devout religious people have children. its an important part of their existence. Very generally speaking, 75% of 42 year old religious people have kids. 42% of 42 year old non-religious people have kids. WIth the birth rate cratering the devout religious people having 3+ kids become more and more valuable. So what? Quality over quantity. Simply having kids isn't going to get rid of degeneration if the families instill immoral, outdated, toxic values. unfortunately, when the birth rate is South Korea's 0.7 ... quantity matters a lot. degeneration is avoided by being a devout religious person. and outdated? outdated by what standard? immoral? by what standard? Also, the bigger any religion the more problems you'll be able to notice. You'll notice it because its big. It is far easier to make a company of 10 run perfectly than a company of 100,000. I'm going to refrain from being pulled further in to an argument about whether or not ancient religions with ancient texts advocating immoral positions and perpetuating factually incorrect realities is technically, semantically, truly considered "outdated" and/or "degenerative", because this isn't a religious debate thread. If you want to continue bringing up religion and promoting certain religious faiths, maybe a blog post might be a better space for you to elaborate on your stances?
that is a great idea.
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On November 13 2025 01:24 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2025 01:14 Billyboy wrote:On November 13 2025 00:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On November 13 2025 00:46 Billyboy wrote:On November 13 2025 00:32 JimmyJRaynor wrote:sry for the double post. On November 13 2025 00:31 WombaT wrote:On November 12 2025 23:45 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On November 12 2025 23:41 WombaT wrote:On November 12 2025 23:30 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Welp, after listening to Mamdani's position and Hochul's position on NYC the best thing a lower middle class person or a working poor person can do to improve their life is to move out of the city. Mamdani is not going to change much. Possibly, stricter enforcement of existing regulations on apartment building owners is one big thing Mamdani can make happen.
Waiting for Mamdani to fix things is a waste of time. Is there a socio-economic problem going to which your solution isn’t ‘just move’? it appears the people in the Bronx, the poorest area of NYC, agree with me. Population declined by 116,178 in 2023. Of course, new people enter. So we're prolly looking at 10% of people leaving. Studies indicate they left NYC altogether. https://www.nyc.gov/assets/planning/download/pdf/planning-level/nyc-population/population-estimates/current-population-estimates-2023-June2024-release.pdf?r=1This is a story as old as time. Perhaps it is hard for people living in small European countries to understand? In NA, you go where the jobs are. My wife's 26 year old nephew bought a house in Frederickburg, Virginia. He works in Washington DC. He grew up at least a 1 hour drive from both of these places. Why would he do this? Its the only way he can afford a house. My great grandfather moved from Montreal to a suburb of Toronto some 6 hours away by car. why? better job and he could afford a house. Hardly any of my 30 cousins who grew up in the Greater Toronto area are still here. why? the economy is garbage. They are getting better jobs elsewhere. From 1950 to 2008 the economy was amazing in Toronto. Now its crap. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/ontario-alberta-move-migration-population-outflow-1.6778456imagine if David Kim, Dustin Browder, and Artosis never left the town where they grew up. It'd be a different world. it'd be bizarro world. Why have any restrictions on immigration then? I mean if ‘just move’ is the catch all solution to everything then it seems unfair to gate people out. It’s not really my criticism of your worldview. It’s your application of it to basically everything. Why bother to even attempt to tackle the issues that people are having, sure everyone can just move and it’ll be fine? you move within the country. Canada is a big country. USA is a big country. Canada elected a man of average intelligence as PM and there were no leaders on the horizon as smart as guys like Pierre Trudeau and Jean Chretien.. .so I left. There was nothing I could do as an individual to change Canada's leadership void. The working poor in the Bronx can tell nothing is going to change. So, they are leaving. meh. Again, its pretty simple. You move where the jobs are. On November 13 2025 00:10 Jankisa wrote:
I don't try to tell other people they should smoke or drink or that whatever working for them is wrong and they should stop, it's a nice way to go through life, at least for me. i advocate for learning as much as one can about the human body because the medical system is cratering. None of your reasoning tracks logically. You left Canada because they elected someone of average intelligence, and you want someone extremely smart. That is not the worst explanation, until you realize that you moved to a country with perhaps the dumbest leader in the world. A guy who doesn’t understand percentages, draws sharpies on maps when he doesn’t like them, claims to have invented common words, thinks cognitive tests are hard, thinks you need your ID to buy groceries, and a thousand other really stupid things. really smart leaders like Trudeau, Chretien, Harris, and Davis facilitated a very high standard of living within Canada. This includes lots of great work offering great pay. the opportunities were amazing. The decline started around 2008 as these guys were long gone. The new leaders were not as good. They are not idiots though. So the decline was slow.. but it was there. the decline in leadership began and a decline in the standard of living soon followed. i am not an anomaly. most of my graduating class left for the USA as well. Trump is smarter than Justin. its not even close. That you believe Trump is smart just shows how out of touch with reality you are. lol,. Trump is definitely starting to lose it. It is not hard to be smarter than Justin. Justin is of average intelligence. This is fine if you are a public high school teacher. It is not good if you are the leader of a G7 Nation. Show nested quote +On November 13 2025 01:17 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 13 2025 01:06 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On November 13 2025 00:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 13 2025 00:16 Jankisa wrote:On November 13 2025 00:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
This is a pretty big miss, unless you're cherry-picking and reinterpreting religious texts and specific sects big time. I'm pretty sure that a life of a devout Buddhist would be even better, meat is also bad, and from what I know, they don't have the shitty views on women and gay people, plus, unlike Christianity and Islam they don't have the problematic pedophilia streak or the issues with, you know, not having issues with slavery. Yeah, Buddhism is definitely a step in the right direction regarding a lot of ethical views. On November 13 2025 00:32 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On November 13 2025 00:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On November 12 2025 23:41 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On November 12 2025 23:33 Jankisa wrote:
Gambling, just like most other vices were always the sport of the poor, means of control and means of rich getting richer.
I like to play Poker, not online, just in real life, with friends, always friendly, cash games. During the first 10-20 hands, the game is most fun, everyone is basically on even ground, relatively risk averse and we can all play.
As soon as a few win a few big hands, the small players get pushed out. The only way to get back into the game on equal footing is by buying in with 2-3 x the amount that you initially invested, because the folks that won early will bully you out, raising the stakes with relatively speaking weak hands because they have the capital to make this risk. And, as luck goes, a lot of the times you will pay them with excellent cards and get cleaned out because you had terrible luck when turn and river come.
It's similar to Crypto and other forms of gambling, later you come in smaller the chance is that you will come away as a winner. That's why people who are already in try to talk everyone else to do it, they are their exit liquidity.
I was horrified when Americans, well, Trump, in 2018 legalized gambling federally, as with everything, Americans took it and ran with it to a point where it's unavoidable and frankly disgusting. I'm not saying that this wasn't the case before, there were some sponsorships, but now, even European leagues and clubs are all sponsored by gambling.
My country's Football GOAT, Modrić, is out there pimping shitty Gambling sites despite making 20 Million a year, despite teenage gambling being a huge issue here in Croatia, they all just don't care.
And the extent it's fucking up sports is not even close to being fully revealed, just recently NBA got hit by huge scandals, MMA, Boxing, American Football is going to be next, it seeps into everything and makes everything shitty.
Maybe the rise of this came from the general embrace of Crypto as a means to get rich quick, I don't know, but this whole mentality is horrific and sooner or later we are all going to be paying consequences for this, from the recession that is going to be coming from the crashes to having to deal with a mental health crisis, specifically among young men who will in congruence with everything else be ripe for destroying the whole world, just huge swaths of desperate people with extremely high tolerance for risk coming in to maturity ready to fuck shit up.
Sigh. great post. These are great points. don't gamble. don't drink. don't smoke. eat only whole foods. never eat anything wrapped in plastic and especially wrapped in plastic encased in a box. it is amazing how living the life of a devout christian or devout muslim has become a great way to exist in North America's degenerated, declining state. This is a pretty big miss, unless you're cherry-picking and reinterpreting religious texts and specific sects big time. Just off the hop. devout religious people have children. its an important part of their existence. Very generally speaking, 75% of 42 year old religious people have kids. 42% of 42 year old non-religious people have kids. WIth the birth rate cratering the devout religious people having 3+ kids become more and more valuable. So what? Quality over quantity. Simply having kids isn't going to get rid of degeneration if the families instill immoral, outdated, toxic values. unfortunately, when the birth rate is South Korea's 0.7 ... quantity matters a lot. degeneration is avoided by being a devout religious person. and outdated? outdated by what standard? immoral? by what standard? Also, the bigger any religion the more problems you'll be able to notice. You'll notice it because its big. It is far easier to make a company of 10 run perfectly than a company of 100,000. I'm going to refrain from being pulled further in to an argument about whether or not ancient religions with ancient texts advocating immoral positions and perpetuating factually incorrect realities is technically, semantically, truly considered "outdated" and/or "degenerative", because this isn't a religious debate thread. If you want to continue bringing up religion and promoting certain religious faiths, maybe a blog post might be a better space for you to elaborate on your stances? that is a great idea.
John Kelly, Trump's Chief of Staff, famously described Trump as an idiot. But it's possible that's just his opinion. Steven Mnuchin, his Treasury Secretary, also described Trump as an idiot. Reince Priebus also used the word idiot. Gary Cohn, who Trump appointed as his economic advisor, disagreed. He described Trump as "dumb as shit".
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On November 13 2025 00:58 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2025 00:54 WombaT wrote:
So is the UK. \
The thing is you don’t advocate for moving in the instance of those wider trends or politics failures, you advocate against even trying to address them. Because everyone can just move.
The criticism isn’t that it’s not a valid option for some people, it’s literally your only solution to anything. usually, it is the best solution. Vote With Your Feet. you'll notice i'm not on the forums screaming about how Blizzard should buff the Reaper so it can be used in the late game. I just don't make Reapers after 3 minutes. meh.
Not remotely my point. You seem genuinely pathologically unable to respond to arguments that other people make, but you’re doing alright because you’ve technical expertise in a lucrative industry
Your own anecdotal experiences = literally a blueprint for everyone else, and it’s completely asinine.
I am not saying remotely that migration, or moving to a hotspot for your industry or dreams are bad things. I’m saying it being a catch-all solution to everything and let’s not try other things is preposterous.
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I'm not sure how much I trust the ability to gauge and compare intelligence of someone who takes Candace Owens takes seriously.
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I thought when I saw 30+ new posts people were finally discussing the end of the Democratic party and what to do or maybe even just some news on the Epstein files, but no. The two biggest US political situations aren't remotely as engaging as *checks notes* discussions on European credit cards and whatever irrelevant nonsense JJR could bait you all with.
Surely someone disagrees with this?
On November 11 2025 22:21 Jankisa wrote:
The only real way to have leverage over the Democratic party is for a significant enough number of Congress and Senate members to leave and form a party.
They can still vote and caucus with the Democrats on a majority of issues, but there is absolutely no point in the whole party and with it the whole left in the USA to be a hostage of a gerontocratic, rudderless and feckless party with no real leaders or ideas.
On the matter of who the politicians caved to and who the pressure came from, i think it's exactly the donor class who started to feel some consequences by having their private jet flights delayed so they gave the spineless 8 a call to cave.
The "vote blue no matter who" bullshit went out of the window when the Democratic Senate minority leader refused to endorse the winner of Democratic primary in New York, to me, Chuck Schumer is a cooky idiot and the fact that he is currently the most powerful democrat tells you all you need about how lost of a cause this party is under his "leadership".
Or is this what everyone that wanted/wants me to vote Democrat believes now?
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GH, Mamdani literally just showed proof of what we've all repeatedly explained to you. How to play a two party system where the least shit of the two parties is still not representing you. You stage a coup from within. You join it, you primary the incumbent, you replace them.
Trump is another example. After a mixed race man dared become President the racists were unhappy with the existing Republican Party which they felt was not doing enough to put minorities in their place. Trump's campaigns against Republicans who refused to submit have always been vicious, but only when no Democrat was running.
The game theory here is extremely simple. You dare not split the lesser evil vote when you're in a contest with the greater evil because that lets the greater evil win. But that vote is the last one in a long series, "blue no matter who" isn't where the battle is fought.
It's not difficult to oppose the existing Democratic Party without becoming an ally to fascists. It's actually incredibly easy. You fundraise for the Mamdanis of the world, you donate to them, you talk to people about them, and when the primary comes you vote for them (or against the Democratic Party establishment candidate if that makes you feel better).
And yet your solution always seems to be "why not let the fascists win on principle". You always insist that people who vote for the lesser evil are somehow endorsing it and demand to know why. And then they explain to you that voting against a greater evil is not the same as endorsing a lesser evil. And then a month later we're doing the same thing again.
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well, like god, this thread also moves in mysterious ways sometimes... 
but to your point, it's important what the House of Representatives now does right? Schumer basically changed his position from the hot seat to "eject me now please I am ridiculously out of touch".
I can see why Democrats are doing it - the suffering is real, it is not just Republicans that are under fire the longer this goes. it is just idiotic politically for no gain in times of shamelessness. and Republicans are even for politician's standards invertebrate scumbags completely devoid of shame.
that is also me half pretending Dems are doing it not to get rid of the filibuster... who knows. the important thing is the court is now in the House so fingers crossed they are holding the line and make Republicans blink.
also impeach Trump a third time, do a "day of love" at the Capitol - for good this time and drag him out for balance's sake. what else do people need to see what's what...?
https://x.com/quadcarl_carl/status/1988607235971527035 - I mean... Michael Wolff to the one and only Epstein.
here's more freshly released mails.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/read-jeffrey-epsteins-newly-released-emails-about-trump
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On November 13 2025 02:25 GreenHorizons wrote:
I thought when I saw 30+ new posts people were finally discussing the end of the Democratic party and what to do or maybe even just some news on the Epstein files, but no. The two biggest US political situations aren't remotely as engaging as *checks notes* discussions on European credit cards and whatever irrelevant nonsense JJR could bait you all with.
Surely someone disagrees with this?
Watching a fart dry is more entertaining, productive and honest than rehashing the exactly same discussion with you again and again and again.
Go wave a flag and make some fires and chant against the bourgeoisy and anything and everyone that doesn't agree with you, lead the revolution!
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On November 13 2025 02:39 KwarK wrote:
GH, Mamdani literally just showed proof of what we've all repeatedly explained to you. How to play a two party system where the least shit of the two parties is still not representing you. You stage a coup from within. You join it, you primary the incumbent, you replace them.
Trump is another example. After a mixed race man dared become President the racists were unhappy with the existing Republican Party which they felt was not doing enough to put minorities in their place. Trump's campaigns against Republicans who refused to submit have always been vicious, but only when no Democrat was running.
The game theory here is extremely simple. You dare not split the lesser evil vote when you're in a contest with the greater evil because that lets the greater evil win. But that vote is the last one in a long series, "blue no matter who" isn't where the battle is fought.
It's not difficult to oppose the existing Democratic Party without becoming an ally to fascists. It's actually incredibly easy. You fundraise for the Mamdanis of the world, you donate to them, you talk to people about them, and when the primary comes you vote for them (or against the Democratic Party establishment candidate if that makes you feel better).
And yet your solution always seems to be "why not let the fascists win on principle". You always insist that people who vote for the lesser evil are somehow endorsing it and demand to know why. And then they explain to you that voting against a greater evil is not the same as endorsing a lesser evil. And then a month later we're doing the same thing again.
Is this what everyone besides Jankissa believes now?
Micro? This seems in conflict with your previous assessment on Democrats capitulating (emphasis mine):
On November 08 2025 09:49 micronesia wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Republicans have just strongly rejected the softened Democratic offer for a one-year extension to the health care tax credits in exchange for what republicans are asking for. Not, "that doesn't quite work," but rather an implied, "Wait, you think we're going to give you anything other than a promise that we can renege on later? Nope." Democrats really have no choice, it seems. Either dig in, or never have power again. The GOP is making that abundantly clear.
No one disagreed with Micro at the time, curious.
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On November 13 2025 02:25 GreenHorizons wrote:I thought when I saw 30+ new posts people were finally discussing the end of the Democratic party and what to do or maybe even just some news on the Epstein files, but no. The two biggest US political situations aren't remotely as engaging as *checks notes* discussions on European credit cards and whatever irrelevant nonsense JJR could bait you all with. Surely someone disagrees with this? Show nested quote +On November 11 2025 22:21 Jankisa wrote:
The only real way to have leverage over the Democratic party is for a significant enough number of Congress and Senate members to leave and form a party.
They can still vote and caucus with the Democrats on a majority of issues, but there is absolutely no point in the whole party and with it the whole left in the USA to be a hostage of a gerontocratic, rudderless and feckless party with no real leaders or ideas.
On the matter of who the politicians caved to and who the pressure came from, i think it's exactly the donor class who started to feel some consequences by having their private jet flights delayed so they gave the spineless 8 a call to cave.
The "vote blue no matter who" bullshit went out of the window when the Democratic Senate minority leader refused to endorse the winner of Democratic primary in New York, to me, Chuck Schumer is a cooky idiot and the fact that he is currently the most powerful democrat tells you all you need about how lost of a cause this party is under his "leadership". Or is this what everyone that wanted/wants me to vote Democrat believes now?
Question about "the end of the Democratic party": I totally think that the 8 Democrats who caved should feel ashamed and should be primaried during next election. They should be voted out, and not be trusted any longer to advocate for what's best for their constituents. And on top of that, if another pivotal, high-stakes showdown happens between Democrats and Republicans and a few other Democrats cave during that next situation, those other Dems should be primaried (and so on, and so forth). I think many people would be okay with this gradual approach of replacing individual Democrats as needed, if in fact those Democrats do lose their next primary and are voted out of their jobs (which may or may not be realistic, depending on funding and if there is any opposition within the next primary).
I know that approach is a lot slower and less revolutionary than what you'd prefer, but what do you think would be the best way to accomplish these successful primary challenges, if that was your/our objective? It's essentially creating a Ship Of Theseus out of a political party, where we might still call it the Democratic party 20 years from now, but its identity might significantly shift by removing so many "leaders", one at a time. I feel like Mamdani is a recent example of this, even though mayors and governors aren't Congressional leaders. Every time a spineless Democratic leader gives in to the Republicans or no longer represents what's best for the people, replace them next election with an AOC or a Mamdani or whoever.
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Just so I'm not misconstrued, I don't think what I wrote is anything new, political pluralism is good, duopoly is bad, Schumer is a horrible leader, all of those things were true before the election, after the first folding instead of fighting and now.
I'm not an expert on American political system but isn't Bernie basically one of these guys who is but also isn't a Democrat? I kind of wish that after 2016 he took as many people he could have and actually made something similar to what I wrote, I think we'd be in a much better place right now.
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On November 13 2025 02:57 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2025 02:25 GreenHorizons wrote:I thought when I saw 30+ new posts people were finally discussing the end of the Democratic party and what to do or maybe even just some news on the Epstein files, but no. The two biggest US political situations aren't remotely as engaging as *checks notes* discussions on European credit cards and whatever irrelevant nonsense JJR could bait you all with. Surely someone disagrees with this? On November 11 2025 22:21 Jankisa wrote:
The only real way to have leverage over the Democratic party is for a significant enough number of Congress and Senate members to leave and form a party.
They can still vote and caucus with the Democrats on a majority of issues, but there is absolutely no point in the whole party and with it the whole left in the USA to be a hostage of a gerontocratic, rudderless and feckless party with no real leaders or ideas.
On the matter of who the politicians caved to and who the pressure came from, i think it's exactly the donor class who started to feel some consequences by having their private jet flights delayed so they gave the spineless 8 a call to cave.
The "vote blue no matter who" bullshit went out of the window when the Democratic Senate minority leader refused to endorse the winner of Democratic primary in New York, to me, Chuck Schumer is a cooky idiot and the fact that he is currently the most powerful democrat tells you all you need about how lost of a cause this party is under his "leadership". Or is this what everyone that wanted/wants me to vote Democrat believes now? Question about "the end of the Democratic party": I totally think that the 8 Democrats who caved should feel ashamed and should be primaried during next election. They should be voted out, and not be trusted any longer to advocate for what's best for their constituents. And on top of that, if another pivotal, high-stakes showdown happens between Democrats and Republicans and a few other Democrats cave during that next situation, those other Dems should be primaried (and so on, and so forth). I think many people would be okay with this gradual approach of replacing individual Democrats as needed, if in fact those Democrats do lose their next primary and are voted out of their jobs (which may or may not be realistic, depending on funding and if there is any opposition within the next primary). I know that approach is a lot slower and less revolutionary than what you'd prefer, but what do you think would be the best way to accomplish these successful primary challenges, if that was your/our objective? It's essentially creating a Ship Of Theseus out of a political party, where we might still call it the Democratic party 20 years from now, but its identity might significantly shift by removing so many "leaders", one at a time. I feel like Mamdani is a recent example of this, even though mayors and governors aren't Congressional leaders. Every time a spineless Democratic leader gives in to the Republicans or no longer represents what's best for the people, replace them next election with an AOC or a Mamdani or whoever. I think micro and Jankisa should be able to better explain what they were thinking/meaning when they said Democrats will never have power again or that "vote blue no matter who" is dead respectively.
I would suspect that underlying those sentiments are some of the reasons they might find your analysis lacking.
On November 13 2025 03:06 Jankisa wrote:
Just so I'm not misconstrued, I don't think what I wrote is anything new, political pluralism is good, duopoly is bad, Schumer is a horrible leader, all of those things were true before the election, after the first folding instead of fighting and now.
I'm not an expert on American political system but isn't Bernie basically one of these guys who is but also isn't a Democrat? I kind of wish that after 2016 he took as many people he could have and actually made something similar to what I wrote, I think we'd be in a much better place right now.
Basically everyone here would have told you that was a terribly stupid idea that only fools would support.
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On November 13 2025 02:55 GreenHorizons wrote:
“believes now?”
We’ve all always believed in voting against neoliberal establishment Dems and we’ve all made this extremely clear a hundred times. But we also believe in voting against fascists and in the general election we had to choose which to vote against because we couldn’t vote against both. You’re pretending not to understand a very longstanding and easy to understand position for the purpose of shaming people for a thing they didn’t do.
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On November 13 2025 02:57 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2025 02:25 GreenHorizons wrote:I thought when I saw 30+ new posts people were finally discussing the end of the Democratic party and what to do or maybe even just some news on the Epstein files, but no. The two biggest US political situations aren't remotely as engaging as *checks notes* discussions on European credit cards and whatever irrelevant nonsense JJR could bait you all with. Surely someone disagrees with this? On November 11 2025 22:21 Jankisa wrote:
The only real way to have leverage over the Democratic party is for a significant enough number of Congress and Senate members to leave and form a party.
They can still vote and caucus with the Democrats on a majority of issues, but there is absolutely no point in the whole party and with it the whole left in the USA to be a hostage of a gerontocratic, rudderless and feckless party with no real leaders or ideas.
On the matter of who the politicians caved to and who the pressure came from, i think it's exactly the donor class who started to feel some consequences by having their private jet flights delayed so they gave the spineless 8 a call to cave.
The "vote blue no matter who" bullshit went out of the window when the Democratic Senate minority leader refused to endorse the winner of Democratic primary in New York, to me, Chuck Schumer is a cooky idiot and the fact that he is currently the most powerful democrat tells you all you need about how lost of a cause this party is under his "leadership". Or is this what everyone that wanted/wants me to vote Democrat believes now? Question about "the end of the Democratic party": I totally think that the 8 Democrats who caved should feel ashamed and should be primaried during next election. They should be voted out, and not be trusted any longer to advocate for what's best for their constituents.
Pretty sure those 8 are intentionally the ones least vulnerable/immediately in danger of being primaried out.
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