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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12015 Posts
October 27 2025 14:48 GMT
#106621
On October 27 2025 23:32 KT_Elwood wrote:
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/10/27/politics/government-shutdown-snap-food-stamps

CNN has adopted MAGA-Wordings.
Show nested quote +

Democrats unflinching in shutdown strategy, blaming Trump with millions at risk of losing food aid


despite they also report what actually happens:

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/10/24/politics/usda-contingency-fund-november-snap

Show nested quote +
Trump administration won’t use contingency fund to pay November food stamp benefits



Trump admin seems to have decided that USDA's 5 billion reserves will not be used to extend SNAP Benefits, shall the shutdown go on.

I am pretty sure that Trump admin wants to see either ICE-agents dragged through the streets or stores looted to send troops or declare martial law to take full control.

Or just put on the hurt and have the democrats cave.. and basicly in this way declare that they indeed have been the ones to blame for shut down.


I surely hope that the strategy of "We will hurt people until you give in and allow us to do what we want" doesn't win out in the end. Because at that point they can get whatever they want just by hurting people until everybody else gives in. Because clearly they don't care if they hurt americans.

Also, very sad that apparently there are few news stations willing to clearly put all the blame with the orange gang, where it belongs.
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany1200 Posts
October 27 2025 14:53 GMT
#106622
Maga: "You get your food stamps in november and december, but we take your healthcare on january 1st."

I understand that even paying soldiers is now grinding to a halt.. will we see 21st century pirates with a full carrier strike group on the coast of Venezuela?

Can they be hired?
"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia1757 Posts
October 27 2025 15:10 GMT
#106623
It seems like CNN is closing in on flipping the switch over in to being state-run propaganda media.

If I'm not mistaken, Larry Elison's son is close to closing the deal for buying Warner Bros, so after he installed Barri Weiss as the head of programming at CBS they will do their best to take these 2 names that the Fox news crew thinks of the "left wing main stream media" and turn it in to whatever Trump & CO want.

So biggest media companies in the US are now more then 50 % MAGA (in my opinion CNN has been "neutrally" putting their thumb on the scale for Trump for a while, but this acquisition will make it official.

Fox has the biggest audience, very MAGA. Then you have the "dumb enough to sign the Pentagon directives" OAN and NewsMax to cover the rest of the crazies.

Twitter is a Nazi cesspool and owned by the richest Nazi in the world. Meta / Zuck is fully on board with this admin, kissed the ring and is sponsoring the ballroom. Same with Jeff "WaPO won't print anything anti-free market" Bezos and his portfolio.

TiKToK is now going to be owned by the Elisons, who also have CNN & CBS.

There might be elections, but they won't be fair. All the media that anyone pays attention to is under MAGA control.
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24369 Posts
October 27 2025 16:00 GMT
#106624
AI surveillance of children in the US almost got an innocent child killed. One wrong move and the cops swarming him could have done what they do all too often.

Police officers swarmed a 16-year-old high school student last week after an artificial intelligence (AI) gun detection system mistakenly flagged his bag of chips as a firearm, leaving officials and students shaken.

Student Taki Allen was waiting for his ride at Kenwood High School in Essex, Maryland, last Monday when he placed an empty bag of chips in his pocket, according to WMAR-2 News. Moments later, police officers suddenly surrounded him, ordering him to the ground and handcuffing him, the local station reported.

"Police showed up, like eight cop cars, and then they all came out with guns pointed at me talking about getting on the ground. I was putting my hands up like, ‘What’s going on?’" Allen told WMAR-2.

"I guess just the way you guys were eating chips… It picked it up as a gun," a police officer told the students in the video. "AI's not the best."

"Our system operated as designed — it identified a possible threat, elevated it for human review, and relied on authorized safety personnel for final determination," the company told Fox News Digital

Allen, shaken by the incident, said he no longer feels safe going outside after football practice and that the incident should never have happened.

"I don't want - don't think I'm safe enough to go outside, especially eating a bag of chips or drinking something. I just stay inside until my ride comes," Allen added.


www.foxnews.com

It's worth better understanding how something like this used to be considered a dystopian authoritarian nightmare and then US society just integrated it.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46484 Posts
October 27 2025 16:02 GMT
#106625
"I guess just the way you guys were eating chips… It picked it up as a gun," a police officer told the students in the video. "AI's not the best."

Oh fuck all the way off, Mr. Police Officer.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12015 Posts
October 27 2025 16:06 GMT
#106626
On October 28 2025 01:00 GreenHorizons wrote:
AI surveillance of children in the US almost got an innocent child killed. One wrong move and the cops swarming him could have done what they do all too often.

Show nested quote +
Police officers swarmed a 16-year-old high school student last week after an artificial intelligence (AI) gun detection system mistakenly flagged his bag of chips as a firearm, leaving officials and students shaken.

Student Taki Allen was waiting for his ride at Kenwood High School in Essex, Maryland, last Monday when he placed an empty bag of chips in his pocket, according to WMAR-2 News. Moments later, police officers suddenly surrounded him, ordering him to the ground and handcuffing him, the local station reported.

"Police showed up, like eight cop cars, and then they all came out with guns pointed at me talking about getting on the ground. I was putting my hands up like, ‘What’s going on?’" Allen told WMAR-2.

"I guess just the way you guys were eating chips… It picked it up as a gun," a police officer told the students in the video. "AI's not the best."

"Our system operated as designed — it identified a possible threat, elevated it for human review, and relied on authorized safety personnel for final determination," the company told Fox News Digital

Allen, shaken by the incident, said he no longer feels safe going outside after football practice and that the incident should never have happened.

"I don't want - don't think I'm safe enough to go outside, especially eating a bag of chips or drinking something. I just stay inside until my ride comes," Allen added.


www.foxnews.com

It's worth better understanding how something like this used to be considered a dystopian authoritarian nightmare and then US society just integrated it.


Literally everything is horribly broken in that. Why do you have a surveillance system for students? Why does AI constantly monitor that system? Why is the AI so bad that it mistakes a bag of chips for a gun? Why did no human look at that video before a bunch of armed cops shout at a guy?

And last but not least: Why is interacting with cops so dangerous in the US? If the cops make everyone feel less save, why have the cops at all?
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany1200 Posts
October 27 2025 16:48 GMT
#106627
If I was a billionaire hoping for (my?) human like armed robots and AI to take over the world, I'd request AI-Based surveillance of all peasants.

The Staatssicherheit and the Gestapo failed because no manpower in the world can control itself for ever.

AI can. If it makes mistakes... somebody dies.. but what the heck.. I'd keep those at least 10 miles off my bunker.

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"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24369 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-10-27 18:55:03
October 27 2025 18:54 GMT
#106628
On October 28 2025 01:06 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2025 01:00 GreenHorizons wrote:
AI surveillance of children in the US almost got an innocent child killed. One wrong move and the cops swarming him could have done what they do all too often.

Police officers swarmed a 16-year-old high school student last week after an artificial intelligence (AI) gun detection system mistakenly flagged his bag of chips as a firearm, leaving officials and students shaken.

Student Taki Allen was waiting for his ride at Kenwood High School in Essex, Maryland, last Monday when he placed an empty bag of chips in his pocket, according to WMAR-2 News. Moments later, police officers suddenly surrounded him, ordering him to the ground and handcuffing him, the local station reported.

"Police showed up, like eight cop cars, and then they all came out with guns pointed at me talking about getting on the ground. I was putting my hands up like, ‘What’s going on?’" Allen told WMAR-2.

"I guess just the way you guys were eating chips… It picked it up as a gun," a police officer told the students in the video. "AI's not the best."

"Our system operated as designed — it identified a possible threat, elevated it for human review, and relied on authorized safety personnel for final determination," the company told Fox News Digital

Allen, shaken by the incident, said he no longer feels safe going outside after football practice and that the incident should never have happened.

"I don't want - don't think I'm safe enough to go outside, especially eating a bag of chips or drinking something. I just stay inside until my ride comes," Allen added.


www.foxnews.com

It's worth better understanding how something like this used to be considered a dystopian authoritarian nightmare and then US society just integrated it.


Literally everything is horribly broken in that. Why do you have a surveillance system for students? Why does AI constantly monitor that system? Why is the AI so bad that it mistakes a bag of chips for a gun? Why did no human look at that video before a bunch of armed cops shout at a guy?

And last but not least: Why is interacting with cops so dangerous in the US? If the cops make everyone feel less save, why have the cops at all?


You trying to tell me having a bunch of cops point guns at your kid at school because AI surveillance caught him eating chips after football practice isn't the pinnacle of freedom in the world? That you'd expect someone to have some consequences for the trauma they inflicted, maybe at least an apology?

It's obviously pretty alarming thinking about how Trump and his minions will use this increasingly widespread surveillance state, and what kind of accountability we can expect for them when they do, but this example isn't even them.

So when you ask the why questions I can't help but conclude it is at least in part because no one is stopping them.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Phyanketto
Profile Joined September 2011
United States611 Posts
October 27 2025 19:03 GMT
#106629
On October 28 2025 01:02 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
"I guess just the way you guys were eating chips… It picked it up as a gun," a police officer told the students in the video. "AI's not the best."

Oh fuck all the way off, Mr. Police Officer.

if it was a white kid there would be more outrage, even from the baizuo
On October 28 2025 01:06 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2025 01:00 GreenHorizons wrote:
AI surveillance of children in the US almost got an innocent child killed. One wrong move and the cops swarming him could have done what they do all too often.

Police officers swarmed a 16-year-old high school student last week after an artificial intelligence (AI) gun detection system mistakenly flagged his bag of chips as a firearm, leaving officials and students shaken.

Student Taki Allen was waiting for his ride at Kenwood High School in Essex, Maryland, last Monday when he placed an empty bag of chips in his pocket, according to WMAR-2 News. Moments later, police officers suddenly surrounded him, ordering him to the ground and handcuffing him, the local station reported.

"Police showed up, like eight cop cars, and then they all came out with guns pointed at me talking about getting on the ground. I was putting my hands up like, ‘What’s going on?’" Allen told WMAR-2.

"I guess just the way you guys were eating chips… It picked it up as a gun," a police officer told the students in the video. "AI's not the best."

"Our system operated as designed — it identified a possible threat, elevated it for human review, and relied on authorized safety personnel for final determination," the company told Fox News Digital

Allen, shaken by the incident, said he no longer feels safe going outside after football practice and that the incident should never have happened.

"I don't want - don't think I'm safe enough to go outside, especially eating a bag of chips or drinking something. I just stay inside until my ride comes," Allen added.


www.foxnews.com

It's worth better understanding how something like this used to be considered a dystopian authoritarian nightmare and then US society just integrated it.


Literally everything is horribly broken in that. Why do you have a surveillance system for students? Why does AI constantly monitor that system? Why is the AI so bad that it mistakes a bag of chips for a gun? Why did no human look at that video before a bunch of armed cops shout at a guy?

And last but not least: Why is interacting with cops so dangerous in the US? If the cops make everyone feel less save, why have the cops at all?

A) the point is to cut down on the amount of people who have to devote attention to surveillance, which is the real horror when coupled with the fact that ideological crime is more and more prosecutable, or at least a more arrestable offense. B) they do not view shouting at/swarming/tackling/cuffing someone as something to be avoided, they think it is an acceptable preventative measure, and that if you aren't guilty it doesn't matter that it happened to you. Because by and large it doesn't happen to white/rich people without incontrovertible evidence of a crime.
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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7420 Posts
October 28 2025 09:14 GMT
#106630
On October 26 2025 07:08 decafchicken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2025 01:48 Introvert wrote:
If the case got there it's hard to see how the Supreme Court let's anyone even on the ballot when they are plainly ineligible (which he definitely is imo). Trump isn't serious anyways.


Trump is absolutely serious. Everything he's "joked" about he has done. And this is the same supreme court that gave him presidential immunity, legalized racial profiling, overturned roe v wade, and will likely overturn the voting rights act...they would absolutely let trump run again


I think it's cute that some people still think Trump is gonna be stopped by a judge or by a law.
He has almost reached Putin levels of power and only age, illness or the masses are gonna stop him.
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8760 Posts
October 28 2025 10:54 GMT
#106631
yeah. no(more) joking around with Trump. the full interview from the insider with Bannon is a wild ride.

it's like the two interviewers are trying to understand an alien species, pointing to the contradictions. while he just marches on undeterred and care free. picking and choosing his facts, mixing real and imagined to fit the agenda.

"watch me make facts with force". in slight(ly amused?) disbelief Beddoes and Carr are trying to put on a brave face and faint smiles in light that we are on a road towards a very dark road.

rules based order thrown out so so nothing has to change for vested economic interests. US edition.

in slightly different news, Mamdani's lead seems to hold in the latest NYC mayoral election polls as early voting began.

will he pull it off?

Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46484 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-10-28 11:29:51
October 28 2025 11:10 GMT
#106632
I hope so. Those polls don't look particularly close, though obviously polls have been wrong in the past (case in point: the NYC Democratic primary, although those underestimated Mamdani, not overestimated him).
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8760 Posts
October 28 2025 11:41 GMT
#106633
yeah me too actually.

the way Cuomo/Sliwa broadly represent the status quo, a disgusting rerun of the war on terror rhetoric against the first NYC Muslim candidate.

especially laying bare the Democrats dilemma of being beholden to billionaire donors, running like a "Republican light" when trust in market solutions is about as high as the market failure is apparent.

very off putting, very "Clintonian". if it was a fresher face than Cuomo it might even have been enough for NY. but his baggage is considerable as the primary showed.

fingers crossed.
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46484 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-10-28 11:45:08
October 28 2025 11:44 GMT
#106634
If Sliwa were to drop out of the race, then I think Cuomo would be in a much better position than he is right now. Hopefully Sliwa stays in.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8760 Posts
October 28 2025 12:42 GMT
#106635
I got the theory that Sliwa did not drop out to keep the appearance for Cuomo to be the golden middle. if there was only 2 candidates it would be impossible to keep up that appearance. polarisation favors Zohran in this case imho.

that whole "he is the DSA guy, I am the Democrat" when you are losing the Democratic primary is a nice fictional line the Cuomo people are telling. while devaluing the whole process.

well we will see. in any case, if young(er) people want the change they need to go out and vote.
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany1200 Posts
October 28 2025 13:23 GMT
#106636
Mamdani gives some hope that "reason" will return to politics. Having free markets..and capitalism.. is reasonable... de-regulating the shit out of it so that generational wealth can be like a new form of aristocracy...while millions suffer needlessly ... is not.

Cuomo seems to be a disgusting person.

I naturally assume that Mamdani will lose terribly or is killed by the "venzualians".
"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia1757 Posts
October 28 2025 13:51 GMT
#106637
Mamdani seems to be on a very clear track to win, I hope he does because he seems like a genuine, nice person who has the interests of his city and it's citizens in his mind.

Unfortunately, after he does, he's going to face the full wrath of everything that is wrong with America.

From the Republican side, Trump will use everything in his power to fuck with him, withholding federal funds, canceling projects, not working with the City in any way shape or form, sending troops, you name it.

From the Democratic side, they, as the neo-libaral elites have a vested interest in making him fail because if he doesn't they might need to move left as a party which would go directly against the people they are beholden to.

Then, there's the ultra rich who will make a big show of "leaving New York" in concert with the duopoly to cement the image in American minds that "Socialism" can't win in the US.

Of course, it will all be rigged, but who cares, Americans certainly don't, as they've shown in 2024.
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14211 Posts
October 28 2025 14:49 GMT
#106638
The problem is that Silwa looks very reasonable and middle ground compared to cuomo and Mamdani. Say what you will about a paramilitary group leader he represents a very real and legitimate desire for people to be safe and comes from a time where people didn't feel that. Hes definitely not a complete candidate and shouldn't be trusted with power but I think a Mamdani-Silwa election season would have been a lot healthier and better for people than with cuomo trying his best to channel the worst impulses of modern politics.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8760 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-10-28 15:48:11
October 28 2025 15:47 GMT
#106639
ExxonMobil accuses California of violating its free speech@TheVerge

ExxonMobil is suing California over state laws that compel large companies to share a more comprehensive picture of their greenhouse gas emissions, as well as disclose financial risks that climate change might pose to their investors.

The oil and gas company claims that the two laws in question aim to “embarrass” large corporations the state “believes are uniquely responsible for climate change” in order to push them to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions. There is overwhelming scientific consensus that greenhouse gas emissions from fossil fuels cause climate change by trapping heat on the planet.

ExxonMobil alleges that California is violating the First Amendment by setting specific standards for how certain companies report those emissions and the associated climate risks. Under laws the state passed in 2023, “ExxonMobil will be forced to describe its emissions and climate-related risks in terms the company fundamentally disagrees with,” a complaint filed Friday says. The suit asks a US District Court to stop the laws from being enforced.

It’s the latest in an ongoing saga over how transparent companies should be about their impact on the climate. California has set higher standards than many companies follow in their sustainability reports. That, plus the state’s enormous economy, has allowed it to raise the bar for corporate climate disclosures even as the federal government moves in the opposite direction. ExxonMobil’s accusations that the state is compelling corporations to adopt its views on climate change also follow a landslide of allegations that ExxonMobil has misled consumers about the impact its products would have on the environment.


"your honor, the state says I pollute and destroy the planet as they believe in the chinese climate hoax. as innocent, small beans mom and pop shop Exxon mobile we fundamentally disagree with that assessment and the state's right to set laws we by and large must follow probably illegal coercion."

impressed by the balls this takes to tackle this from this angle, even though it is just a little stone in the mosaic of their broad efforts to shirk responsibility. and fines.
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
Razyda
Profile Joined March 2013
1059 Posts
October 28 2025 18:10 GMT
#106640
Fuentes is doing rounds recently, Owens, PBD, Smith, Carlson and seems like he will be coming to Tim guy.
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