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On October 28 2025 01:06 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2025 01:00 GreenHorizons wrote:AI surveillance of children in the US almost got an innocent child killed. One wrong move and the cops swarming him could have done what they do all too often. Police officers swarmed a 16-year-old high school student last week after an artificial intelligence (AI) gun detection system mistakenly flagged his bag of chips as a firearm, leaving officials and students shaken.
Student Taki Allen was waiting for his ride at Kenwood High School in Essex, Maryland, last Monday when he placed an empty bag of chips in his pocket, according to WMAR-2 News. Moments later, police officers suddenly surrounded him, ordering him to the ground and handcuffing him, the local station reported.
"Police showed up, like eight cop cars, and then they all came out with guns pointed at me talking about getting on the ground. I was putting my hands up like, ‘What’s going on?’" Allen told WMAR-2.
"I guess just the way you guys were eating chips… It picked it up as a gun," a police officer told the students in the video. "AI's not the best."
"Our system operated as designed — it identified a possible threat, elevated it for human review, and relied on authorized safety personnel for final determination," the company told Fox News Digital
Allen, shaken by the incident, said he no longer feels safe going outside after football practice and that the incident should never have happened.
"I don't want - don't think I'm safe enough to go outside, especially eating a bag of chips or drinking something. I just stay inside until my ride comes," Allen added. www.foxnews.comIt's worth better understanding how something like this used to be considered a dystopian authoritarian nightmare and then US society just integrated it. Literally everything is horribly broken in that. Why do you have a surveillance system for students? Why does AI constantly monitor that system? Why is the AI so bad that it mistakes a bag of chips for a gun? Why did no human look at that video before a bunch of armed cops shout at a guy? And last but not least: Why is interacting with cops so dangerous in the US? If the cops make everyone feel less save, why have the cops at all?
You have surveillance at a school because it's a school. It's a public place. It's a gun-free zone. It's inhabited by minors who aren't full citizens and can't have guns in any case, let alone at a gun-free zone. You can have AI monitoring it constantly for the same reason you have metal detectors at the front door. You don't want guns, knives, school shootings, and violence, and you want to spot that without relying on an impossible army of CCTV-watching humans. Even when everyone else misses it or nobody involved would report on it. So you flag things and send them to human review. In this case, the superintendent claims it was canceled but the school principal didn't get the memo. In the process of flagging, you would like to be perfect. Same with the review step. Nevertheless, given the choice between false negatives and false positives, you want to be biased towards false positives. Not that you want a lot of those either, or your system is crying wolf. Regardless of how anyone "feels," everyone walked away from that interaction and unarmed teenagers are not shot often by police in the US. So police should probably still exist.
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On October 29 2025 03:30 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2025 01:06 Simberto wrote:On October 28 2025 01:00 GreenHorizons wrote:AI surveillance of children in the US almost got an innocent child killed. One wrong move and the cops swarming him could have done what they do all too often. Police officers swarmed a 16-year-old high school student last week after an artificial intelligence (AI) gun detection system mistakenly flagged his bag of chips as a firearm, leaving officials and students shaken.
Student Taki Allen was waiting for his ride at Kenwood High School in Essex, Maryland, last Monday when he placed an empty bag of chips in his pocket, according to WMAR-2 News. Moments later, police officers suddenly surrounded him, ordering him to the ground and handcuffing him, the local station reported.
"Police showed up, like eight cop cars, and then they all came out with guns pointed at me talking about getting on the ground. I was putting my hands up like, ‘What’s going on?’" Allen told WMAR-2.
"I guess just the way you guys were eating chips… It picked it up as a gun," a police officer told the students in the video. "AI's not the best."
"Our system operated as designed — it identified a possible threat, elevated it for human review, and relied on authorized safety personnel for final determination," the company told Fox News Digital
Allen, shaken by the incident, said he no longer feels safe going outside after football practice and that the incident should never have happened.
"I don't want - don't think I'm safe enough to go outside, especially eating a bag of chips or drinking something. I just stay inside until my ride comes," Allen added. www.foxnews.comIt's worth better understanding how something like this used to be considered a dystopian authoritarian nightmare and then US society just integrated it. Literally everything is horribly broken in that. Why do you have a surveillance system for students? Why does AI constantly monitor that system? Why is the AI so bad that it mistakes a bag of chips for a gun? Why did no human look at that video before a bunch of armed cops shout at a guy? And last but not least: Why is interacting with cops so dangerous in the US? If the cops make everyone feel less save, why have the cops at all? You have surveillance at a school because it's a school. It's a public place. It's a gun-free zone. It's inhabited by minors who aren't full citizens and can't have guns in any case, let alone at a gun-free zone. You can have AI monitoring it constantly for the same reason you have metal detectors at the front door. You don't want guns, knives, school shootings, and violence, and you want to spot that without relying on an impossible army of CCTV-watching humans. Even when everyone else misses it or nobody involved would report on it. So you flag things and send them to human review. In this case, the superintendent claims it was canceled but the school principal didn't get the memo. In the process of flagging, you would like to be perfect. Same with the review step. Nevertheless, given the choice between false negatives and false positives, you want to be biased towards false positives. Not that you want a lot of those either, or your system is crying wolf. Regardless of how anyone "feels," everyone walked away from that interaction and unarmed teenagers are not shot often by police in the US. So police should probably still exist. Your aware that no other nation needs metal detectors or a 'gun free zone' at school right?
I also love that 'police doesn't shoot unarmed teenagers' required the addition of 'often'...
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Yeah if we just ignore the fact that a child was held at gunpoint by police for eating a bag of chips, which i'm sure wasn't traumatizing at all, then yeah no harm no foul.
We used to be a country of innocent until proven guilty and now we're in borderline minority report surveillance state because our overlords rather strip away our 4th amendment rights than enact any sort of reasonable gun control like the rest of the civilized world and tell us it's "for our safety"
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On October 29 2025 03:34 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2025 03:30 oBlade wrote:On October 28 2025 01:06 Simberto wrote:On October 28 2025 01:00 GreenHorizons wrote:AI surveillance of children in the US almost got an innocent child killed. One wrong move and the cops swarming him could have done what they do all too often. Police officers swarmed a 16-year-old high school student last week after an artificial intelligence (AI) gun detection system mistakenly flagged his bag of chips as a firearm, leaving officials and students shaken.
Student Taki Allen was waiting for his ride at Kenwood High School in Essex, Maryland, last Monday when he placed an empty bag of chips in his pocket, according to WMAR-2 News. Moments later, police officers suddenly surrounded him, ordering him to the ground and handcuffing him, the local station reported.
"Police showed up, like eight cop cars, and then they all came out with guns pointed at me talking about getting on the ground. I was putting my hands up like, ‘What’s going on?’" Allen told WMAR-2.
"I guess just the way you guys were eating chips… It picked it up as a gun," a police officer told the students in the video. "AI's not the best."
"Our system operated as designed — it identified a possible threat, elevated it for human review, and relied on authorized safety personnel for final determination," the company told Fox News Digital
Allen, shaken by the incident, said he no longer feels safe going outside after football practice and that the incident should never have happened.
"I don't want - don't think I'm safe enough to go outside, especially eating a bag of chips or drinking something. I just stay inside until my ride comes," Allen added. www.foxnews.comIt's worth better understanding how something like this used to be considered a dystopian authoritarian nightmare and then US society just integrated it. Literally everything is horribly broken in that. Why do you have a surveillance system for students? Why does AI constantly monitor that system? Why is the AI so bad that it mistakes a bag of chips for a gun? Why did no human look at that video before a bunch of armed cops shout at a guy? And last but not least: Why is interacting with cops so dangerous in the US? If the cops make everyone feel less save, why have the cops at all? You have surveillance at a school because it's a school. It's a public place. It's a gun-free zone. It's inhabited by minors who aren't full citizens and can't have guns in any case, let alone at a gun-free zone. You can have AI monitoring it constantly for the same reason you have metal detectors at the front door. You don't want guns, knives, school shootings, and violence, and you want to spot that without relying on an impossible army of CCTV-watching humans. Even when everyone else misses it or nobody involved would report on it. So you flag things and send them to human review. In this case, the superintendent claims it was canceled but the school principal didn't get the memo. In the process of flagging, you would like to be perfect. Same with the review step. Nevertheless, given the choice between false negatives and false positives, you want to be biased towards false positives. Not that you want a lot of those either, or your system is crying wolf. Regardless of how anyone "feels," everyone walked away from that interaction and unarmed teenagers are not shot often by police in the US. So police should probably still exist. Your aware that no other nation needs metal detectors or a 'gun free zone' at school right?
No, my not aware. UK and India have both been adding them for knife issues.
And where is this going? School violence is a problem. That's why the metal detectors are good. Being in a situation where you need metal detectors is not good, but that's not solved by not having them.
On October 29 2025 03:34 Gorsameth wrote:
I also love that 'police doesn't shoot unarmed teenagers' required the addition of 'often'...
In a country of 350 million people, almost everything happens sometimes. It's pure numbers. There is no guarantee of anything. Similar to how you assumed among 200 countries the US is the only one that ever thought to put a metal detector in front of a school. The wording doesn't matter, the details matter. This is why I didn't waste time saying "hardly any ever at all" and just said not "often." Because that word game is always there if you want to play it. "Oh I love how it required the addition of hardly ever at all, because that means it happens sometimes." Yeah. Everything happens sometimes. That's level 1. Tell us how many such shooting incidents you think happen, say, per year, and then find the real objective number.
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On October 29 2025 03:45 decafchicken wrote:
Yeah if we just ignore the fact that a child was held at gunpoint by police for eating a bag of chips, which i'm sure wasn't traumatizing at all, then yeah no harm no foul.
We used to be a country of innocent until proven guilty and now we're in borderline minority report surveillance state because our overlords rather strip away our 4th amendment rights than enact any sort of reasonable gun control like the rest of the civilized world and tell us it's "for our safety"
The gun nuts are constitutionally correct. If anything, the children should also be able to own guns.
It's just not a very good constitution. It should be changed. The authors of it thought it should be changed. They themselves made changes and they created a process for changing it in the hope that others would change it.
But as written gun control is unconstitutional.
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I work at a school. It has no surveillance. Obviously weapons are not allowed (because it is a school), but there are no metal detectors or guards controlling this.
Because it is a fucking school. It is a place of learning. Students should be able to be relaxed there and ideally feel at home. It is not a high security prison.
And it is just not a problem. There are no major problems with students bringing weapons into the school, it simply doesn't happen. Anything people from the US say about schools sounds utterly alien to me.
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On October 29 2025 03:10 Razyda wrote:
Fuentes is doing rounds recently, Owens, PBD, Smith, Carlson and seems like he will be coming to Tim guy.
Nazi goes around big Republican talk shows? Fork found in kitchen.
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On October 29 2025 03:57 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2025 03:34 Gorsameth wrote:
I also love that 'police doesn't shoot unarmed teenagers' required the addition of 'often'... In a country of 350 million people, almost everything happens sometimes. It's pure numbers. There is no guarantee of anything. Similar to how you assumed among 200 countries the US is the only one that ever thought to put a metal detector in front of a school. The wording doesn't matter, the details matter. This is why I didn't waste time saying "hardly any ever at all" and just said not "often." Because that word game is always there if you want to play it. "Oh I love how it required the addition of hardly ever at all, because that means it happens sometimes." Yeah. Everything happens sometimes. That's level 1. Tell us how many such shooting incidents you think happen, say, per year, and then find the real objective number.
This is a bad argument. The number of gun-related incidents, police shootings, etc. is not proportional to a country's population. Other countries with one-tenth our population don't have one-tenth as many incidents as us; they have far fewer. The United States is an extreme outlier.
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It’s not actually an argument, it’s just someone admitting that they really don’t care about shootings.
Conservatives won the gun control debate when no one introduced any meaningful legislation post Sandy Hook. Rather than attempt some sort of solution, whether that be stricter gun control laws or a nation wide mental health program, conservative got exactly the apathy and nihilism they wanted.
How many public mass shootings has it been this year? JD Vance is right when he says shootings are a fact of life and Americans just need to deal with it because that’s exactly how they’re handling them.
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On October 29 2025 06:22 Hat Trick of Today wrote:
It’s not actually an argument, it’s just someone admitting that they really don’t care about shootings.
Conservatives won the gun control debate when no one introduced any meaningful legislation post Sandy Hook. Rather than attempt some sort of solution, whether that be stricter gun control laws or a nation wide mental health program, conservative got exactly the apathy and nihilism they wanted.
How many public mass shootings has it been this year? JD Vance is right when he says shootings are a fact of life and Americans just need to deal with it because that’s exactly how they’re handling them.
Most estimates seem to be in the mid-300s to low-400s range. More than one mass shooting per day, on average.
"This is a list of mass shootings that took place in the United States in 2025. Mass shootings are incidents in which several people are injured or killed due to firearm-related violence; specifically for the purposes of this article, this consists of a total of four or more victims. A total of 331 people have been killed and 1,499 people have been wounded in 341 shootings, as of September 30, 2025." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2025
"419 U.S. mass shootings in 2025
6951 mass shootings since 1/1/2013
2 days since last mass shooting"
https://massshootingtracker.site/
"America has already seen more than 300 mass shootings in 2025, data shows ... The U.S. has seen 340 mass shootings in 2025 so far, according to the Gun Violence Archive." https://www.livenowfox.com/news/us-mass-shootings-2025-gun-violence
"U.S. approaching 340 mass shootings this year after deadly weekend" https://www.axios.com/2025/10/13/us-mass-shooting-2025
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On October 29 2025 06:22 Hat Trick of Today wrote:
It’s not actually an argument, it’s just someone admitting that they really don’t care about shootings.
Conservatives won the gun control debate when no one introduced any meaningful legislation post Sandy Hook. Rather than attempt some sort of solution, whether that be stricter gun control laws or a nation wide mental health program, conservative got exactly the apathy and nihilism they wanted.
How many public mass shootings has it been this year? JD Vance is right when he says shootings are a fact of life and Americans just need to deal with it because that’s exactly how they’re handling them.
Just for comparison: The last school shooting in Germany was in 2009. (If you count alarm pistols, 2013. If you count an ex student shooting a secretary with a crossbow, 2022)
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