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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16126 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-10-24 20:28:00
October 24 2025 20:27 GMT
#106581
Trump's gonna start bombing Venezuela. This excuse that we're dispatching an aircraft carrier to Latin America to combat drug smugglers is hilarious.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Phyanketto
Profile Joined September 2011
United States611 Posts
October 24 2025 22:21 GMT
#106582
On October 25 2025 05:27 Vindicare605 wrote:
Trump's gonna start bombing Venezuela. This excuse that we're dispatching an aircraft carrier to Latin America to combat drug smugglers is hilarious.

Very cost effective, surely.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27456 Posts
October 24 2025 22:30 GMT
#106583
Trump really took not winning the Nobel Peace Prize badly
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Legan
Profile Joined June 2017
Finland597 Posts
October 25 2025 02:20 GMT
#106584
I wonder how the situation with ICE, national guards, and local police departments will affect the views on law enforcement and any potential reforms among democrats. One could assume that people and politicians would see how they are linked to Trump's ability to commit illegal acts and would like to ensure that in future states have more control and the personnel are not likely to support any discriminatory, racist, supremacist, authoritarian policies. To me, it would seem weird if democratic candidates showed strong support for law enforcement after it has been used extensively against them.
Creator of Gresvan, Tropical Sacrifice, Taitalika, and Golden Forge
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20168 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-10-25 03:32:11
October 25 2025 03:14 GMT
#106585
The problem is the supremacy clause relies on the executive branch to respect the judicial branch enough to enforce itself otherwise the legislative branch will step in. Once that falls apart, local authorities have little recourse against federal overreach
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12174 Posts
October 25 2025 08:55 GMT
#106586
On October 25 2025 11:20 Legan wrote:
I wonder how the situation with ICE, national guards, and local police departments will affect the views on law enforcement and any potential reforms among democrats. One could assume that people and politicians would see how they are linked to Trump's ability to commit illegal acts and would like to ensure that in future states have more control and the personnel are not likely to support any discriminatory, racist, supremacist, authoritarian policies. To me, it would seem weird if democratic candidates showed strong support for law enforcement after it has been used extensively against them.

Support for law enforcement agencies is likely to decrease further. You have non-democrats such as GH that wants to tear it all down and perhaps a few democrats will move over to that camp.

I don't see democrats supporting states having more power. Historically a large part of the democrat fight has been in enforcing civil rights in the south-eastern states. Giving states more power is likely to put that back. So you end up with a problem, you want civil rights in the entire country but don't want a fascist to take over easily.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46484 Posts
October 25 2025 10:22 GMT
#106587
Hakeem Jeffries is finally endorsing Zohran Mamdani for NYC mayor:

"House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries has endorsed Zohran Mamdani, the Democratic nominee for mayor of New York City, ending an extended holdout that was being closely watched. “Zohran Mamdani has relentlessly focused on addressing the affordability crisis and explicitly committed to being a Mayor for all New Yorkers, including those who do not support his candidacy,” Jeffries said in a statement issued Friday, just before early voting begins in the mayoral race. The top House Democrat had long set early voting as his self-imposed deadline to address the race. For months, he had been among several senior Democrats who had declined for months to back Mamdani after his surprise victory over former Gov. Andrew Cuomo in the primary in June." https://www.cnn.com/2025/10/24/politics/hakeem-jeffries-zohran-mamdani

On one hand: better late than never.
On the other hand: This kind of feels like Jeffries has decided to hitch his wagon to Mamdani because he thinks the writing is on the wall for a Mamdani victory.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46484 Posts
October 25 2025 11:34 GMT
#106588
On October 25 2025 07:30 WombaT wrote:
Trump really took not winning the Nobel Peace Prize badly


He's pretty much the sorest loser of all time - given how he tried to overthrow the government after losing the 2020 election - so I think his decision to arrest, starve, and sicken Americans... while bulldozing part of the White House just so he can build the Epstein Ballroom... is on brand for Donald Trump.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4124 Posts
October 25 2025 12:11 GMT
#106589
Can't believe Rubio is still holding strong amidst the Vances and Witkoffs of the world and will get his Venezuela regime change operation
Man will go into the historybooks as one of the greatest neocons of all time
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22415 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-10-25 13:49:13
October 25 2025 12:46 GMT
#106590
On October 25 2025 07:30 WombaT wrote:
Trump really took not winning the Nobel Peace Prize badly


He‘s kinda in a tough spot.
He’s also the one they elected so in his stead I‘d be pissed.
It‘s just what the US wanted. Collective responsibility innit.

It‘s like voting in Duterte and then going ohh, ahh.

If he wanted a prize he‘d start milking the super rich. But that‘s probably dangerous.

Not that the Venezuelan government is exactly a paragon…
Guess that happens when poverty prevails.
The political landscape is just all around awful. Too polarized.
Makes it hard to form a proper opinion. Maybe having none is better, but on the other hand it‘s like watching legalized murder.
Legan
Profile Joined June 2017
Finland597 Posts
October 25 2025 12:59 GMT
#106591
'I am not done' - Kamala Harris tells BBC she may run for president again

This interview will be airing on Sunday morning. This article makes me expect clusterfuck. However, I have seen relatively little from Harris after the election. It is good to move the spotlight away after an election loss, but people should know how she views things, as it will tell quite a lot about the future. You do not want to repeat a similar denial to Biden's, only dropping out too late.

"How does a centre-left party with mainstream leaders take on a right-wing populist leader? Is the answer to focus on Trump? Or is it to argue more forcefully for Main Street?" Nice to see that Democrats are now considered centre-left by the BBC.
Creator of Gresvan, Tropical Sacrifice, Taitalika, and Golden Forge
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24369 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-10-25 15:57:28
October 25 2025 15:47 GMT
#106592
Bannon is teasing a Trump 2028 presidency.

"Trump is going to be president in ’28, and people just ought to get accommodated with that," he told The Economist on Oct. 23.

"At the appropriate time, we’ll lay out what the plan is," Bannon said. "But there is a plan."


www.usatoday.com

Would Trump officially running for a third term be people's trigger point for leaving the US?

Is it him winning a third term? Maybe if he takes a third term?

Or do people have some other moment in mind that would make them pull the trigger on leaving the US/when they would advocate accepting anti-Trumpers as political refugees?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24802 Posts
October 25 2025 16:00 GMT
#106593
Who said he would run for a third term? It's probably something stupid like JD Vance runs with Trump as VP, then they swap after inauguration day.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22630 Posts
October 25 2025 16:05 GMT
#106594
On October 26 2025 01:00 micronesia wrote:
Who said he would run for a third term? It's probably something stupid like JD Vance runs with Trump as VP, then they swap after inauguration day.
as per the 12th amendment
But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States
Trump is no longer eligible to be a VP
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24802 Posts
October 25 2025 16:16 GMT
#106595
That is a gray area of constitutional law. I prefer your interpretation, but a not-completely-ridiculous argument can be made the other way, which means 100% of the GOP would be fine with the plan I laid out.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18450 Posts
October 25 2025 16:16 GMT
#106596
On October 26 2025 00:47 GreenHorizons wrote:
Bannon is teasing a Trump 2028 presidency.

Show nested quote +
"Trump is going to be president in ’28, and people just ought to get accommodated with that," he told The Economist on Oct. 23.

"At the appropriate time, we’ll lay out what the plan is," Bannon said. "But there is a plan."


www.usatoday.com

Would Trump officially running for a third term be people's trigger point for leaving the US?

Is it him winning a third term? Maybe if he takes a third term?

Or do people have some other moment in mind that would make them pull the trigger on leaving the US/when they would advocate accepting anti-Trumpers as political refugees?

Well, yes, he'll be president in 2028. Unless he dies. It's beyond inauguration day of 2029 that he should no longer be the president.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24369 Posts
October 25 2025 16:21 GMT
#106597
On October 26 2025 01:05 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2025 01:00 micronesia wrote:
Who said he would run for a third term? It's probably something stupid like JD Vance runs with Trump as VP, then they swap after inauguration day.
as per the 12th amendment
Show nested quote +
But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States
Trump is no longer eligible to be a VP

There is a legal argument that the "eligible" there applies to age, birthplace, and residency, not the 22nd amendment, which obviously came later.

Not that Trump has a problem with violating amendments or that the courts are capable of stopping him anyway.

On October 26 2025 01:16 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2025 00:47 GreenHorizons wrote:
Bannon is teasing a Trump 2028 presidency.

"Trump is going to be president in ’28, and people just ought to get accommodated with that," he told The Economist on Oct. 23.

"At the appropriate time, we’ll lay out what the plan is," Bannon said. "But there is a plan."


www.usatoday.com

Would Trump officially running for a third term be people's trigger point for leaving the US?

Is it him winning a third term? Maybe if he takes a third term?

Or do people have some other moment in mind that would make them pull the trigger on leaving the US/when they would advocate accepting anti-Trumpers as political refugees?

Well, yes, he'll be president in 2028. Unless he dies. It's beyond inauguration day of 2029 that he should no longer be the president.


I expected this post from oBlade, but yeah, he could be trolling. Reminds me of a line from a Nelly song.

I got a friend with a pole in the basement (What?)
I'm just kiddin' like Jason (Oh)
Unless you're gon' do it
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5029 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-10-25 16:50:36
October 25 2025 16:48 GMT
#106598
If the case got there it's hard to see how the Supreme Court let's anyone even on the ballot when they are plainly ineligible (which he definitely is imo). Trump isn't serious anyways. Re:Kamala ppl speculate one reason she declined to run for CA gov is that she didn't want to win it and then immediately turn around and start a presidential campaign, looks bad. She is the 2028 front runner rn thanks to strong black support in polls. A lot can happen obviously but she has the best chance, amazingly. She won't get the CA money though, dumb billionaires will back Newsom's attempt to California the nation (gl with that). Hard to see a worse pick on someone's record as Chief executive but he plays the dem base very well besides being a white guy
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3304 Posts
October 25 2025 18:47 GMT
#106599
Idk, SCOTUS looked at the “insurrectionists are ineligible” case and said, not “here’s the circumstances when that would apply,” but essentially “there are no circumstances when that would apply.” Not hard to see the same thing happening here. They’re quite capable of inventing pseudo-plausible absurdities when they want to. Maybe something like “maybe he is ineligible but nobody has standing to challenge it” or “elections are state affairs, and federal courts have no power to enforce that provision on state governments.” I’m just spitballing here, they’ve got plenty of time to come up with something.

But also, I think this is kind of a silly hypothetical. Bannon loves to say that kind of grandiose bullshit and terrify everyone. There’s lots of good reasons to be terrified, don’t get me wrong, but you shouldn’t let Bannon manipulate your perceptions too much. I think Trump’s odds of *surviving* that long aren’t incredible, and he’s committing impeachable offenses every other day. He’s not popular and he’s getting less popular.

Don’t mistake that for a rosy outlook – fascists don’t need to be popular to win – but the specific scenario of “Trump stays in power, everything continues working normally, he runs in 2028 and wins” is, imo, pretty remote and not worth overanalyzing.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20168 Posts
October 25 2025 22:06 GMT
#106600
I don't even know if he will run or if he will just refuse to leave but either way he will absolutely continue to be president past his current term unless there is a drastic change of our current trajectory a la a democratic congressional supermajority in 2026 (unlikely given the steps currently being taken by Republicans) or he passes away from old age/illness (more likely but I don't think we'll be so lucky)
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
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