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Northern Ireland27446 Posts
On October 19 2025 00:00 Sent. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2025 23:46 WombaT wrote:On October 18 2025 23:36 LightSpectra wrote:On October 17 2025 00:29 Razyda wrote:
I do agree that democrats only chance is to appeal to centrist. Thing is current iteration of democratic party lost them.
Covid, Hunter laptop, dragging Trump through courts entire election, celebrating murder, idiotic nazi rhetoric. On top of that they keep going, riots, attacks on federal agents (which are, whether you like it or not, officers of the law) and on top of that democrats politicians going out of their way to make said federal agents harder. Add government shutdown to it.
No centre person get behind this kind of stuff and fact that democrats behave like a bunch of spoiled brats doesnt help. I love this comment. The American centrist is more concerned about a laptop that Republicans investigated and found no proof of wrongdoing than they are about the billion dollar bribe Qatar openly gave to Trump in the form of a jumbo jet that he publicly stated he would keep after the end of his presidency. ‘Centrist’ A centrist is like an intelligent person. They exist, but if someone claims to be thus themselves, they probably aren’t. I feel attacked!
Haha not intended, it’s a rule of thumb that doesn’t always apply! Yanno what I mean I assume
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On October 19 2025 02:45 Fleetfeet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2025 01:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 19 2025 01:35 ChristianS wrote:On October 19 2025 01:17 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 19 2025 01:02 ChristianS wrote:On October 19 2025 00:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 19 2025 00:25 ChristianS wrote:On October 18 2025 23:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 18 2025 23:36 Acrofales wrote:On October 18 2025 23:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
Should I go to my local No Kings protest? Are any of you going? I would, but Spain is weirdly fond of their monarch so no local protests here. Just a little Kings as a treat? No one here going, or maybe they're already at one? I’m going Edit: I don’t go every two weeks, but this one feels like it might be more valuable than most. How so? I'd have to skip a family gathering, and that just feels like a better use of my time frankly. No argument here, be with your family. But immediately after the authoritarians try to intimidate everyone out of showing up is a good time to show up imo I can't help but feel/wonder "show up for what?" "No Kings"? As Acro indicates, it's not exactly "Kings" that are the problem. I’m not convinced that monarchists aren’t a pretty significant percentage of the problem. Some of them are self-identified monarchists, some would insist they’re not, but they all support unchecked personalist rule. In Europe they’d be recognized as such more quickly, but it’s been so long Americans don’t realize what they’re looking at. But yes, I haven’t gone to more of these because of the overwhelming “Now what?” feeling they leave you with (and don’t seem to have much of an answer to). I know there's no way it would ever be my dream list, but if there was just some basic "these 3 things are what we're demanding and we're all going to stay out here occupyish style until we get it" I think it would significantly help that "now what?" feeling. Obviously not all ~5 - 10 million people that protest today can do that, but we could all (including the millions that are supportive but otherwise occupied/live elsewhere) collectively support the million or so that could with our support. Instead, this feels more like letting your kid throw a tantrum so they tire themselves out and then fall asleep. It's easier than forcing them to stop or winning the argument rationally. Meanwhile, the reality is their tantrum isn't stopping you from doing what you want anyway, so you might as well "let them get it out of their system". You have the roles of toddler and adult reversed, I feel.
How so?
On October 19 2025 02:49 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2025 23:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 18 2025 23:36 Acrofales wrote:On October 18 2025 23:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
Should I go to my local No Kings protest? Are any of you going? I would, but Spain is weirdly fond of their monarch so no local protests here. Just a little Kings as a treat? No one here going, or maybe they're already at one? Im not, I'm staying in and finishing out my playthrough of Persona 5 Royal
I'm not sure if we're supposed to be planning our escape or dressing up as inflatable unicorns, but based on the ratings, I guess I should look into this Persona series.
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Northern Ireland27446 Posts
On October 19 2025 01:57 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2025 01:35 ChristianS wrote:On October 19 2025 01:17 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 19 2025 01:02 ChristianS wrote:On October 19 2025 00:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 19 2025 00:25 ChristianS wrote:On October 18 2025 23:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 18 2025 23:36 Acrofales wrote:On October 18 2025 23:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
Should I go to my local No Kings protest? Are any of you going? I would, but Spain is weirdly fond of their monarch so no local protests here. Just a little Kings as a treat? No one here going, or maybe they're already at one? I’m going Edit: I don’t go every two weeks, but this one feels like it might be more valuable than most. How so? I'd have to skip a family gathering, and that just feels like a better use of my time frankly. No argument here, be with your family. But immediately after the authoritarians try to intimidate everyone out of showing up is a good time to show up imo I can't help but feel/wonder "show up for what?" "No Kings"? As Acro indicates, it's not exactly "Kings" that are the problem. I’m not convinced that monarchists aren’t a pretty significant percentage of the problem. Some of them are self-identified monarchists, some would insist they’re not, but they all support unchecked personalist rule. In Europe they’d be recognized as such more quickly, but it’s been so long Americans don’t realize what they’re looking at. But yes, I haven’t gone to more of these because of the overwhelming “Now what?” feeling they leave you with (and don’t seem to have much of an answer to). I know there's no way it would ever be my dream list, but if there was just some basic "these 3 things are what we're demanding and we're all going to stay out here occupyish style until we get it" I think it would significantly help that "now what?" feeling. Obviously not all ~5 - 10 million people that protest today can do that, but we could all (including the millions that are supportive but otherwise occupied/live elsewhere) collectively support the million or so that could with our support. Instead, this feels more like letting your kid throw a tantrum so they tire themselves out and then fall asleep. It's easier than forcing them to stop or winning the argument rationally. Meanwhile, the reality is their tantrum isn't stopping you from doing what you want anyway, so you might as well "let them get it out of their system".
Welcome to revolutionary movements. Or at least nascent protest ones.
They often start with diffuse, undirected dissatisfaction, sometimes they fade out through lack of direction, sometimes they coalesce into something more tangible.
Is this news?
Understandable sure, all got our lives to lead. Completely ridiculous coming from you, who’s happy to shame everyone else.
Methinks your accelerationist gambit failed, catastrophically and not only will you refuse to own it, you’ll refuse to help clean up the mess.
Just leave the genocide enablers to try eh?
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He's sort of right, one-day protests without demands are the least effective. Though I wouldn't call them useless, millions of people showing disapproval is important for the cultural direction of how things evolve even if they don't have immediate tangible results.
But like.. go and tell them about it? Go and find the local organizers and have a chat with them and shoot your shot, or grab a megaphone and tell the crowd you'll be there every evening and ask whoever can do that as well to join you. Moaning about a protest not being actiony enough on a Starcraft forum where there's 0 of the organizers and maybe 1 other person from your city is less than what they're doing.
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On October 19 2025 03:10 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2025 01:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 19 2025 01:35 ChristianS wrote:On October 19 2025 01:17 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 19 2025 01:02 ChristianS wrote:On October 19 2025 00:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 19 2025 00:25 ChristianS wrote:On October 18 2025 23:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 18 2025 23:36 Acrofales wrote:On October 18 2025 23:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
Should I go to my local No Kings protest? Are any of you going? I would, but Spain is weirdly fond of their monarch so no local protests here. Just a little Kings as a treat? No one here going, or maybe they're already at one? I’m going Edit: I don’t go every two weeks, but this one feels like it might be more valuable than most. How so? I'd have to skip a family gathering, and that just feels like a better use of my time frankly. No argument here, be with your family. But immediately after the authoritarians try to intimidate everyone out of showing up is a good time to show up imo I can't help but feel/wonder "show up for what?" "No Kings"? As Acro indicates, it's not exactly "Kings" that are the problem. I’m not convinced that monarchists aren’t a pretty significant percentage of the problem. Some of them are self-identified monarchists, some would insist they’re not, but they all support unchecked personalist rule. In Europe they’d be recognized as such more quickly, but it’s been so long Americans don’t realize what they’re looking at. But yes, I haven’t gone to more of these because of the overwhelming “Now what?” feeling they leave you with (and don’t seem to have much of an answer to). I know there's no way it would ever be my dream list, but if there was just some basic "these 3 things are what we're demanding and we're all going to stay out here occupyish style until we get it" I think it would significantly help that "now what?" feeling. Obviously not all ~5 - 10 million people that protest today can do that, but we could all (including the millions that are supportive but otherwise occupied/live elsewhere) collectively support the million or so that could with our support. Instead, this feels more like letting your kid throw a tantrum so they tire themselves out and then fall asleep. It's easier than forcing them to stop or winning the argument rationally. Meanwhile, the reality is their tantrum isn't stopping you from doing what you want anyway, so you might as well "let them get it out of their system". Welcome to revolutionary movements. Or at least nascent protest ones. They often start with diffuse, undirected dissatisfaction, sometimes they fade out through lack of direction, sometimes they coalesce into something more tangible. Is this news? Understandable sure, all got our lives to lead. Completely ridiculous coming from you, who’s happy to shame everyone else. Methinks your accelerationist gambit failed, catastrophically and not only will you refuse to own it, you’ll refuse to help clean up the mess. Just leave the genocide enablers to try eh?
I don't think that's true though, right? For actual revolutions?
If we exclude colonies revolting against their colonizer, which is a lot of the revolutions, we have:
France - lack of food
Russia - disastrous handling of WW1, including lack of food
China - it's complicated
Spain - monied elites having their way of life threatened by socialism stage a military coup
20th century South America and Africa, repeatedly - CIA + monied elites have their way of life threatened by socialism, so stage a military coup
Iran - it's complicated
Arab Spring - lack of food
Overall they don't start with diffuse undirected dissatisfaction. The only one of these I'd classify that way is the Iranian revolution. Most have fairly clear triggers: a bunch of rich assholes fear they won't be rich much longer if the government keeps doing what it's doing, or a popular uprising for very specific reasons; mostly an acute food shortage.
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On October 19 2025 03:39 Dan HH wrote:He's sort of right, one-day protests without demands are the least effective. Though I wouldn't call them useless, millions of people showing disapproval is important for the cultural direction of how things evolve even if they don't have immediate tangible results. But like.. go and tell them about it? Go and find the local organizers and have a chat with them and shoot your shot, or grab a megaphone and tell the crowd you'll be there every evening and ask whoever can do that as well to join you. + Show Spoiler + Moaning about direct action not being actiony enough on a Starcraft forum where there's 0 of the organizers and maybe 1 other person from your city is less than what they're doing.
Yeah, I wouldn't go so far as to say "useless", but "wasted" for sure.
I mean, I have (particularly during the George Floyd uprising). But that's good in that it is at least an argument for going if I hadn't/wasn't having these discussions with local organizers already.
From what I'm hearing from friends at protests is that it would be a pretty promising recruitment ground for more effective actions/organizing because of all the people wondering "now what?"
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On October 19 2025 03:10 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2025 02:45 Fleetfeet wrote:On October 19 2025 01:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 19 2025 01:35 ChristianS wrote:On October 19 2025 01:17 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 19 2025 01:02 ChristianS wrote:On October 19 2025 00:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 19 2025 00:25 ChristianS wrote:On October 18 2025 23:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 18 2025 23:36 Acrofales wrote:
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I would, but Spain is weirdly fond of their monarch so no local protests here. Just a little Kings as a treat? No one here going, or maybe they're already at one? I’m going Edit: I don’t go every two weeks, but this one feels like it might be more valuable than most. How so? I'd have to skip a family gathering, and that just feels like a better use of my time frankly. No argument here, be with your family. But immediately after the authoritarians try to intimidate everyone out of showing up is a good time to show up imo I can't help but feel/wonder "show up for what?" "No Kings"? As Acro indicates, it's not exactly "Kings" that are the problem. I’m not convinced that monarchists aren’t a pretty significant percentage of the problem. Some of them are self-identified monarchists, some would insist they’re not, but they all support unchecked personalist rule. In Europe they’d be recognized as such more quickly, but it’s been so long Americans don’t realize what they’re looking at. But yes, I haven’t gone to more of these because of the overwhelming “Now what?” feeling they leave you with (and don’t seem to have much of an answer to). I know there's no way it would ever be my dream list, but if there was just some basic "these 3 things are what we're demanding and we're all going to stay out here occupyish style until we get it" I think it would significantly help that "now what?" feeling. Obviously not all ~5 - 10 million people that protest today can do that, but we could all (including the millions that are supportive but otherwise occupied/live elsewhere) collectively support the million or so that could with our support. Instead, this feels more like letting your kid throw a tantrum so they tire themselves out and then fall asleep. It's easier than forcing them to stop or winning the argument rationally. Meanwhile, the reality is their tantrum isn't stopping you from doing what you want anyway, so you might as well "let them get it out of their system". You have the roles of toddler and adult reversed, I feel. How so? Show nested quote +On October 19 2025 02:49 Zambrah wrote:On October 18 2025 23:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 18 2025 23:36 Acrofales wrote:On October 18 2025 23:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
Should I go to my local No Kings protest? Are any of you going? I would, but Spain is weirdly fond of their monarch so no local protests here. Just a little Kings as a treat? No one here going, or maybe they're already at one? Im not, I'm staying in and finishing out my playthrough of Persona 5 Royal I'm not sure if we're supposed to be planning our escape or dressing up as inflatable unicorns, but based on the ratings, I guess I should look into this Persona series.
I cant recommend Persona unless you have 50 - 100 hours of time for it and/or dont have an addictive personality
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On October 19 2025 03:41 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2025 03:10 WombaT wrote:On October 19 2025 01:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 19 2025 01:35 ChristianS wrote:On October 19 2025 01:17 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 19 2025 01:02 ChristianS wrote:On October 19 2025 00:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 19 2025 00:25 ChristianS wrote:On October 18 2025 23:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 18 2025 23:36 Acrofales wrote:
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I would, but Spain is weirdly fond of their monarch so no local protests here. Just a little Kings as a treat? No one here going, or maybe they're already at one? I’m going Edit: I don’t go every two weeks, but this one feels like it might be more valuable than most. How so? I'd have to skip a family gathering, and that just feels like a better use of my time frankly. No argument here, be with your family. But immediately after the authoritarians try to intimidate everyone out of showing up is a good time to show up imo I can't help but feel/wonder "show up for what?" "No Kings"? As Acro indicates, it's not exactly "Kings" that are the problem. I’m not convinced that monarchists aren’t a pretty significant percentage of the problem. Some of them are self-identified monarchists, some would insist they’re not, but they all support unchecked personalist rule. In Europe they’d be recognized as such more quickly, but it’s been so long Americans don’t realize what they’re looking at. But yes, I haven’t gone to more of these because of the overwhelming “Now what?” feeling they leave you with (and don’t seem to have much of an answer to). I know there's no way it would ever be my dream list, but if there was just some basic "these 3 things are what we're demanding and we're all going to stay out here occupyish style until we get it" I think it would significantly help that "now what?" feeling. Obviously not all ~5 - 10 million people that protest today can do that, but we could all (including the millions that are supportive but otherwise occupied/live elsewhere) collectively support the million or so that could with our support. Instead, this feels more like letting your kid throw a tantrum so they tire themselves out and then fall asleep. It's easier than forcing them to stop or winning the argument rationally. Meanwhile, the reality is their tantrum isn't stopping you from doing what you want anyway, so you might as well "let them get it out of their system". Welcome to revolutionary movements. Or at least nascent protest ones. They often start with diffuse, undirected dissatisfaction, sometimes they fade out through lack of direction, sometimes they coalesce into something more tangible. Is this news? Understandable sure, all got our lives to lead. Completely ridiculous coming from you, who’s happy to shame everyone else. Methinks your accelerationist gambit failed, catastrophically and not only will you refuse to own it, you’ll refuse to help clean up the mess. Just leave the genocide enablers to try eh? I don't think that's true though, right? For actual revolutions? If we exclude colonies revolting against their colonizer, which is a lot of the revolutions, we have: France - lack of food Russia - disastrous handling of WW1, including lack of food China - it's complicated Spain - monied elites having their way of life threatened by socialism stage a military coup 20th century South America and Africa, repeatedly - CIA + monied elites have their way of life threatened by socialism, so stage a military coup Iran - it's complicated Arab Spring - lack of food Overall they don't start with diffuse undirected dissatisfaction. The only one of these I'd classify that way is the Iranian revolution. Most have fairly clear triggers: a bunch of rich assholes fear they won't be rich much longer if the government keeps doing what it's doing, or a popular uprising for very specific reasons; mostly an acute food shortage.
Many of the '89 revolutions started with diffuse dissatisfaction. Hell, East Germany had weekly pro-democracy demonstrations every monday.
The most recent revolution, Nepal's, was supposed to be a peaceful anti-corruption demonstration and was quite small initially. Some protesters threw rocks and authorities responded overzealously by shooting protesters, and that response made it become something orders of magnitude larger and more direct in the following days.
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On October 19 2025 03:52 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2025 03:39 Dan HH wrote:He's sort of right, one-day protests without demands are the least effective. Though I wouldn't call them useless, millions of people showing disapproval is important for the cultural direction of how things evolve even if they don't have immediate tangible results. But like.. go and tell them about it? Go and find the local organizers and have a chat with them and shoot your shot, or grab a megaphone and tell the crowd you'll be there every evening and ask whoever can do that as well to join you. + Show Spoiler + Moaning about direct action not being actiony enough on a Starcraft forum where there's 0 of the organizers and maybe 1 other person from your city is less than what they're doing. Yeah, I wouldn't go so far as to say "useless", but "wasted" for sure. I mean, I have (particularly during the George Floyd uprising). But that's good in that it is at least an argument for going if I hadn't/wasn't having these discussions with local organizers already. From what I'm hearing from friends at protests is that it would be a pretty promising recruitment ground for more effective actions/organizing because of all the people wondering "now what?"
Indeed, I’m currently holding literature from a socialist org handed to me by a guy wearing a “socialism is the future” shirt. No clue if this org is any good but I don’t think it makes sense for aspiring socialists to be *unhappy* about millions of people taking to the streets to express their discontent with fascism.
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On October 19 2025 04:04 ChristianS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2025 03:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 19 2025 03:39 Dan HH wrote:He's sort of right, one-day protests without demands are the least effective. Though I wouldn't call them useless, millions of people showing disapproval is important for the cultural direction of how things evolve even if they don't have immediate tangible results. But like.. go and tell them about it? Go and find the local organizers and have a chat with them and shoot your shot, or grab a megaphone and tell the crowd you'll be there every evening and ask whoever can do that as well to join you. + Show Spoiler + Moaning about direct action not being actiony enough on a Starcraft forum where there's 0 of the organizers and maybe 1 other person from your city is less than what they're doing. Yeah, I wouldn't go so far as to say "useless", but "wasted" for sure. I mean, I have (particularly during the George Floyd uprising). But that's good in that it is at least an argument for going if I hadn't/wasn't having these discussions with local organizers already. From what I'm hearing from friends at protests is that it would be a pretty promising recruitment ground for more effective actions/organizing because of all the people wondering "now what?" Indeed, I’m currently holding literature from a socialist org handed to me by a guy wearing a “socialism is the future” shirt. No clue if this org is any good but I don’t think it makes sense for aspiring socialists to be *unhappy* about millions of people taking to the streets to express their discontent with fascism.
Yeah, I'm supporting people doing this locally and nationally.
I'm happy about millions taking to the streets. I'm still concerned inordinate amounts of energy is being carelessly wasted, in part, by not having the sort of clear articulable goals/demands that are typically expected (frequently by people attending these No Kings protests) of other protests.
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On October 19 2025 04:04 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2025 03:41 Acrofales wrote:On October 19 2025 03:10 WombaT wrote:On October 19 2025 01:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 19 2025 01:35 ChristianS wrote:On October 19 2025 01:17 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 19 2025 01:02 ChristianS wrote:On October 19 2025 00:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 19 2025 00:25 ChristianS wrote:On October 18 2025 23:52 GreenHorizons wrote:
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Just a little Kings as a treat?
No one here going, or maybe they're already at one? I’m going Edit: I don’t go every two weeks, but this one feels like it might be more valuable than most. How so? I'd have to skip a family gathering, and that just feels like a better use of my time frankly. No argument here, be with your family. But immediately after the authoritarians try to intimidate everyone out of showing up is a good time to show up imo I can't help but feel/wonder "show up for what?" "No Kings"? As Acro indicates, it's not exactly "Kings" that are the problem. I’m not convinced that monarchists aren’t a pretty significant percentage of the problem. Some of them are self-identified monarchists, some would insist they’re not, but they all support unchecked personalist rule. In Europe they’d be recognized as such more quickly, but it’s been so long Americans don’t realize what they’re looking at. But yes, I haven’t gone to more of these because of the overwhelming “Now what?” feeling they leave you with (and don’t seem to have much of an answer to). I know there's no way it would ever be my dream list, but if there was just some basic "these 3 things are what we're demanding and we're all going to stay out here occupyish style until we get it" I think it would significantly help that "now what?" feeling. Obviously not all ~5 - 10 million people that protest today can do that, but we could all (including the millions that are supportive but otherwise occupied/live elsewhere) collectively support the million or so that could with our support. Instead, this feels more like letting your kid throw a tantrum so they tire themselves out and then fall asleep. It's easier than forcing them to stop or winning the argument rationally. Meanwhile, the reality is their tantrum isn't stopping you from doing what you want anyway, so you might as well "let them get it out of their system". Welcome to revolutionary movements. Or at least nascent protest ones. They often start with diffuse, undirected dissatisfaction, sometimes they fade out through lack of direction, sometimes they coalesce into something more tangible. Is this news? Understandable sure, all got our lives to lead. Completely ridiculous coming from you, who’s happy to shame everyone else. Methinks your accelerationist gambit failed, catastrophically and not only will you refuse to own it, you’ll refuse to help clean up the mess. Just leave the genocide enablers to try eh? I don't think that's true though, right? For actual revolutions? If we exclude colonies revolting against their colonizer, which is a lot of the revolutions, we have: France - lack of food Russia - disastrous handling of WW1, including lack of food China - it's complicated Spain - monied elites having their way of life threatened by socialism stage a military coup 20th century South America and Africa, repeatedly - CIA + monied elites have their way of life threatened by socialism, so stage a military coup Iran - it's complicated Arab Spring - lack of food Overall they don't start with diffuse undirected dissatisfaction. The only one of these I'd classify that way is the Iranian revolution. Most have fairly clear triggers: a bunch of rich assholes fear they won't be rich much longer if the government keeps doing what it's doing, or a popular uprising for very specific reasons; mostly an acute food shortage. Many of the '89 revolutions started with diffuse dissatisfaction. Hell, East Germany had weekly pro-democracy demonstrations every monday. The most recent revolution, Nepal's, was supposed to be a peaceful anti-corruption demonstration and was quite small initially. Some protesters threw rocks and authorities responded overzealously by shooting protesters, and that response made it become something orders of magnitude larger and more direct in the following days. And we known Trump has no problem ordering people protesting him to be shot. The only thing stopping it from happening is police/military refusing the order.
Former Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper said President Donald Trump inquired about shooting protesters amid the unrest that took place after George Floyd's murder in 2020. www.npr.org
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On October 19 2025 03:52 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2025 03:39 Dan HH wrote:He's sort of right, one-day protests without demands are the least effective. Though I wouldn't call them useless, millions of people showing disapproval is important for the cultural direction of how things evolve even if they don't have immediate tangible results. But like.. go and tell them about it? Go and find the local organizers and have a chat with them and shoot your shot, or grab a megaphone and tell the crowd you'll be there every evening and ask whoever can do that as well to join you. + Show Spoiler + Moaning about direct action not being actiony enough on a Starcraft forum where there's 0 of the organizers and maybe 1 other person from your city is less than what they're doing. Yeah, I wouldn't go so far as to say "useless", but "wasted" for sure. I mean, I have (particularly during the George Floyd uprising). But that's good in that it is at least an argument for going if I hadn't/wasn't having these discussions with local organizers already. From what I'm hearing from friends at protests is that it would be a pretty promising recruitment ground for more effective actions/organizing because of all the people wondering "now what?"
Fair enough if you've been trying that. These movements are unpredictable, you can have a single wrong move by authorities turn the tide against the state in a quick blitz, or you can have up to a few years of buildup to a boiling point, or you can have the whole thing fizzle out and people give up hope.
For the US I'm expecting the midterms to be the key moment. The current admin and the people following their illegal and immoral orders are not acting the way someone would if they would expect power to realistically transfer hands and open up the possibility of them being held to account.
But even leaving the ethics aside, their incompetence in handling trade, medical care and the decrease in quality of public services in general makes it unrealistic for them to win fair elections. They'll have to resolve this contradiction, and to me it's mostly a question of how far they would have to go to ensure continued control of Congress and the public response to that.
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On October 19 2025 04:34 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2025 03:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 19 2025 03:39 Dan HH wrote:He's sort of right, one-day protests without demands are the least effective. Though I wouldn't call them useless, millions of people showing disapproval is important for the cultural direction of how things evolve even if they don't have immediate tangible results. But like.. go and tell them about it? Go and find the local organizers and have a chat with them and shoot your shot, or grab a megaphone and tell the crowd you'll be there every evening and ask whoever can do that as well to join you. + Show Spoiler + Moaning about direct action not being actiony enough on a Starcraft forum where there's 0 of the organizers and maybe 1 other person from your city is less than what they're doing. Yeah, I wouldn't go so far as to say "useless", but "wasted" for sure. I mean, I have (particularly during the George Floyd uprising). But that's good in that it is at least an argument for going if I hadn't/wasn't having these discussions with local organizers already. From what I'm hearing from friends at protests is that it would be a pretty promising recruitment ground for more effective actions/organizing because of all the people wondering "now what?" Fair enough if you've been trying that. These movements are unpredictable, you can have a single wrong move by authorities turn the tide against the state in a quick blitz, or you can have up to a few years of buildup to a boiling point, or you can have the whole thing fizzle out and people give up hope. For the US I'm expecting the midterms to be the key moment. The current admin and the people following their illegal and immoral orders are not acting the way someone would if they would expect power to realistically transfer hands and open up the possibility of them being held to account. But even leaving the ethics aside, their incompetence in handling trade, medical care and the decrease in quality of public services in general makes it unrealistic for them to win fair elections. They'll have to resolve this contradiction, and to me it's mostly a question of how far they would have to go to ensure continued control of Congress and the public response to that.
It is important to know that they always have an easy out. Trump can just do a blanket pardon, and then no one will hold them accountable. So it is theoretically possible that they actually accept losing, though i don't think it is very likely.
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On October 19 2025 07:14 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2025 04:34 Dan HH wrote:On October 19 2025 03:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 19 2025 03:39 Dan HH wrote:He's sort of right, one-day protests without demands are the least effective. Though I wouldn't call them useless, millions of people showing disapproval is important for the cultural direction of how things evolve even if they don't have immediate tangible results. But like.. go and tell them about it? Go and find the local organizers and have a chat with them and shoot your shot, or grab a megaphone and tell the crowd you'll be there every evening and ask whoever can do that as well to join you. + Show Spoiler + Moaning about direct action not being actiony enough on a Starcraft forum where there's 0 of the organizers and maybe 1 other person from your city is less than what they're doing. Yeah, I wouldn't go so far as to say "useless", but "wasted" for sure. I mean, I have (particularly during the George Floyd uprising). But that's good in that it is at least an argument for going if I hadn't/wasn't having these discussions with local organizers already. From what I'm hearing from friends at protests is that it would be a pretty promising recruitment ground for more effective actions/organizing because of all the people wondering "now what?" Fair enough if you've been trying that. These movements are unpredictable, you can have a single wrong move by authorities turn the tide against the state in a quick blitz, or you can have up to a few years of buildup to a boiling point, or you can have the whole thing fizzle out and people give up hope. For the US I'm expecting the midterms to be the key moment. The current admin and the people following their illegal and immoral orders are not acting the way someone would if they would expect power to realistically transfer hands and open up the possibility of them being held to account. But even leaving the ethics aside, their incompetence in handling trade, medical care and the decrease in quality of public services in general makes it unrealistic for them to win fair elections. They'll have to resolve this contradiction, and to me it's mostly a question of how far they would have to go to ensure continued control of Congress and the public response to that. It is important to know that they always have an easy out. Trump can just do a blanket pardon, and then no one will hold them accountable. So it is theoretically possible that they actually accept losing, though i don't think it is very likely.
Biden is prime example of this. I believe he granted Fauci pardon since 2014 for some reason.
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Good thing he did, seeing as how blatantly Trump is weaponizing the justice system to go after his perceived enemies.
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"For some reason" seeing how trumps year of vengence is going it seems pretty justified.
A better example is richard nixon, dude literally did crimes but he was allowed to step down without punishment in exchange for the pardon.
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Really don't think MAGAts want to play the "pardons are proof of guilt" game lmfao
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On October 19 2025 08:19 micronesia wrote:
Good thing he did, seeing as how blatantly Trump is weaponizing the justice system to go after his perceived enemies.
Simply fantastic.
Trump should now announce that at the end of his term he will pardon everyone who votes for candidates he support. Since like 1925 to be safe. Picture of face, driving license, and ballot, in the same frame is required. You know, just to make sure that Democrats wont drag people through courts.
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Considering Trump's the only president to so blatantly weaponize the criminal justice system so far, there's no need to "both sides" this yet.
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On October 19 2025 08:57 micronesia wrote:
Considering Trump's the only president to so blatantly weaponize the criminal justice system so far, there's no need to "both sides" this yet.
You cant be serious now? How many court cases he faced since he started running for president?
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