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On October 17 2025 00:29 Razyda wrote:
I do agree that democrats only chance is to appeal to centrist. Thing is current iteration of democratic party lost them.
Covid, Hunter laptop, dragging Trump through courts entire election, celebrating murder, idiotic nazi rhetoric. On top of that they keep going, riots, attacks on federal agents (which are, whether you like it or not, officers of the law) and on top of that democrats politicians going out of their way to make said federal agents harder. Add government shutdown to it.
No centre person get behind this kind of stuff and fact that democrats behave like a bunch of spoiled brats doesnt help.
I love this comment. The American centrist is more concerned about a laptop that Republicans investigated and found no proof of wrongdoing than they are about the billion dollar bribe Qatar openly gave to Trump in the form of a jumbo jet that he publicly stated he would keep after the end of his presidency.
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On October 18 2025 23:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
Should I go to my local No Kings protest? Are any of you going?
I would, but Spain is weirdly fond of their monarch so no local protests here.
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On October 18 2025 21:09 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2025 21:08 Razyda wrote:
Anyone else expects some interesting things happening due to planned no kings protests? Given current climate in US I will be very surprised if at least some of them wont go into riot mode at the very least. Inclined to get my popcorn ready. So you find the threat of violence entertaining?
No, he hates any kind of violence in any kind of circumstance for any kind of reason. Hell he’s even against any kind of response to a death that isn’t canonising the victim.
He just greatly enjoys popcorn and felt it was worth letting us know
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On October 18 2025 23:36 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2025 00:29 Razyda wrote:
I do agree that democrats only chance is to appeal to centrist. Thing is current iteration of democratic party lost them.
Covid, Hunter laptop, dragging Trump through courts entire election, celebrating murder, idiotic nazi rhetoric. On top of that they keep going, riots, attacks on federal agents (which are, whether you like it or not, officers of the law) and on top of that democrats politicians going out of their way to make said federal agents harder. Add government shutdown to it.
No centre person get behind this kind of stuff and fact that democrats behave like a bunch of spoiled brats doesnt help. I love this comment. The American centrist is more concerned about a laptop that Republicans investigated and found no proof of wrongdoing than they are about the billion dollar bribe Qatar openly gave to Trump in the form of a jumbo jet that he publicly stated he would keep after the end of his presidency.
‘Centrist’
A centrist is like an intelligent person. They exist, but if someone claims to be thus themselves, they probably aren’t.
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On October 18 2025 23:36 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2025 23:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
Should I go to my local No Kings protest? Are any of you going? I would, but Spain is weirdly fond of their monarch so no local protests here.
Just a little Kings as a treat?
No one here going, or maybe they're already at one?
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On October 18 2025 23:46 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2025 23:36 LightSpectra wrote:On October 17 2025 00:29 Razyda wrote:
I do agree that democrats only chance is to appeal to centrist. Thing is current iteration of democratic party lost them.
Covid, Hunter laptop, dragging Trump through courts entire election, celebrating murder, idiotic nazi rhetoric. On top of that they keep going, riots, attacks on federal agents (which are, whether you like it or not, officers of the law) and on top of that democrats politicians going out of their way to make said federal agents harder. Add government shutdown to it.
No centre person get behind this kind of stuff and fact that democrats behave like a bunch of spoiled brats doesnt help. I love this comment. The American centrist is more concerned about a laptop that Republicans investigated and found no proof of wrongdoing than they are about the billion dollar bribe Qatar openly gave to Trump in the form of a jumbo jet that he publicly stated he would keep after the end of his presidency. ‘Centrist’ A centrist is like an intelligent person. They exist, but if someone claims to be thus themselves, they probably aren’t.
I feel attacked!
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On October 18 2025 23:52 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2025 23:36 Acrofales wrote:On October 18 2025 23:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
Should I go to my local No Kings protest? Are any of you going? I would, but Spain is weirdly fond of their monarch so no local protests here. Just a little Kings as a treat? No one here going, or maybe they're already at one?
I’m going
Edit: I don’t go every two weeks, but this one feels like it might be more valuable than most.
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On October 18 2025 21:09 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2025 21:08 Razyda wrote:
Anyone else expects some interesting things happening due to planned no kings protests? Given current climate in US I will be very surprised if at least some of them wont go into riot mode at the very least. Inclined to get my popcorn ready. So you find the threat of violence entertaining?
I would use "fascinating", kinda like watching ship in storm.
On October 18 2025 21:10 micronesia wrote:
They didn't go into riot mode last time, right? Perhaps Trump considers that a missed opportunity? He's trying to paint the protests against him as "anti-America" protests, so perhaps he'll try to egg protesters into rioting somehow.
A lot has changed since then I would say. Kirk's murder, government shutdown, antifa declared terrorist organization, ongoing ice protests. I dont think he needs to "egg protesters", because quite frankly tensions are rising on their own.
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On October 19 2025 00:25 ChristianS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2025 23:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 18 2025 23:36 Acrofales wrote:On October 18 2025 23:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
Should I go to my local No Kings protest? Are any of you going? I would, but Spain is weirdly fond of their monarch so no local protests here. Just a little Kings as a treat? No one here going, or maybe they're already at one? I’m going Edit: I don’t go every two weeks, but this one feels like it might be more valuable than most.
How so?
I'd have to skip a family gathering, and that just feels like a better use of my time frankly.
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On October 19 2025 00:57 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2025 00:25 ChristianS wrote:On October 18 2025 23:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 18 2025 23:36 Acrofales wrote:On October 18 2025 23:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
Should I go to my local No Kings protest? Are any of you going? I would, but Spain is weirdly fond of their monarch so no local protests here. Just a little Kings as a treat? No one here going, or maybe they're already at one? I’m going Edit: I don’t go every two weeks, but this one feels like it might be more valuable than most. How so? I'd have to skip a family gathering, and that just feels like a better use of my time frankly.
No argument here, be with your family. But immediately after the authoritarians try to intimidate everyone out of showing up is a good time to show up imo
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On October 19 2025 01:02 ChristianS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2025 00:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 19 2025 00:25 ChristianS wrote:On October 18 2025 23:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 18 2025 23:36 Acrofales wrote:On October 18 2025 23:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
Should I go to my local No Kings protest? Are any of you going? I would, but Spain is weirdly fond of their monarch so no local protests here. Just a little Kings as a treat? No one here going, or maybe they're already at one? I’m going Edit: I don’t go every two weeks, but this one feels like it might be more valuable than most. How so? I'd have to skip a family gathering, and that just feels like a better use of my time frankly. No argument here, be with your family. But immediately after the authoritarians try to intimidate everyone out of showing up is a good time to show up imo
I can't help but feel/wonder "show up for what?" "No Kings"? As Acro indicates, it's not exactly "Kings" that are the problem.
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I’m not convinced that monarchists aren’t a pretty significant percentage of the problem. Some of them are self-identified monarchists, some would insist they’re not, but they all support unchecked personalist rule. In Europe they’d be recognized as such more quickly, but it’s been so long Americans don’t realize what they’re looking at.
But yes, I haven’t gone to more of these because of the overwhelming “Now what?” feeling they leave you with (and don’t seem to have much of an answer to).
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When the true revolutionists become to complacent to even go to actual protests you know it is all lost.
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On October 19 2025 01:35 ChristianS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2025 01:17 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 19 2025 01:02 ChristianS wrote:On October 19 2025 00:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 19 2025 00:25 ChristianS wrote:On October 18 2025 23:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 18 2025 23:36 Acrofales wrote:On October 18 2025 23:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
Should I go to my local No Kings protest? Are any of you going? I would, but Spain is weirdly fond of their monarch so no local protests here. Just a little Kings as a treat? No one here going, or maybe they're already at one? I’m going Edit: I don’t go every two weeks, but this one feels like it might be more valuable than most. How so? I'd have to skip a family gathering, and that just feels like a better use of my time frankly. No argument here, be with your family. But immediately after the authoritarians try to intimidate everyone out of showing up is a good time to show up imo I can't help but feel/wonder "show up for what?" "No Kings"? As Acro indicates, it's not exactly "Kings" that are the problem. I’m not convinced that monarchists aren’t a pretty significant percentage of the problem. Some of them are self-identified monarchists, some would insist they’re not, but they all support unchecked personalist rule. In Europe they’d be recognized as such more quickly, but it’s been so long Americans don’t realize what they’re looking at. But yes, I haven’t gone to more of these because of the overwhelming “Now what?” feeling they leave you with (and don’t seem to have much of an answer to).
I know there's no way it would ever be my dream list, but if there was just some basic "these 3 things are what we're demanding and we're all going to stay out here occupyish style until we get it" I think it would significantly help that "now what?" feeling.
Obviously not all ~5 - 10 million people that protest today can do that, but we could all (including the millions that are supportive but otherwise occupied/live elsewhere) collectively support the million or so that could with our support.
Instead, this feels more like letting your kid throw a tantrum so they tire themselves out and then fall asleep. It's easier than forcing them to stop or winning the argument rationally. Meanwhile, the reality is their tantrum isn't stopping you from doing what you want anyway, so you might as well "let them get it out of their system".
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On October 19 2025 01:42 Billyboy wrote:
When the true revolutionists become to complacent to even go to actual protests you know it is all lost. Some might say it mere shows him for the fraud that he always was.
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On October 19 2025 01:57 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2025 01:35 ChristianS wrote:On October 19 2025 01:17 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 19 2025 01:02 ChristianS wrote:On October 19 2025 00:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 19 2025 00:25 ChristianS wrote:On October 18 2025 23:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 18 2025 23:36 Acrofales wrote:On October 18 2025 23:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
Should I go to my local No Kings protest? Are any of you going? I would, but Spain is weirdly fond of their monarch so no local protests here. Just a little Kings as a treat? No one here going, or maybe they're already at one? I’m going Edit: I don’t go every two weeks, but this one feels like it might be more valuable than most. How so? I'd have to skip a family gathering, and that just feels like a better use of my time frankly. No argument here, be with your family. But immediately after the authoritarians try to intimidate everyone out of showing up is a good time to show up imo I can't help but feel/wonder "show up for what?" "No Kings"? As Acro indicates, it's not exactly "Kings" that are the problem. I’m not convinced that monarchists aren’t a pretty significant percentage of the problem. Some of them are self-identified monarchists, some would insist they’re not, but they all support unchecked personalist rule. In Europe they’d be recognized as such more quickly, but it’s been so long Americans don’t realize what they’re looking at. But yes, I haven’t gone to more of these because of the overwhelming “Now what?” feeling they leave you with (and don’t seem to have much of an answer to). I know there's no way it would ever be my dream list, but if there was just some basic "these 3 things are what we're demanding and we're all going to stay out here occupyish style until we get it" I think it would significantly help that "now what?" feeling. Obviously not all ~5 - 10 million people that protest today can do that, but we could all (including the millions that are supportive but otherwise occupied/live elsewhere) collectively support the million or so that could with our support. Instead, this feels more like letting your kid throw a tantrum so they tire themselves out and then fall asleep. It's easier than forcing them to stop or winning the argument rationally. Meanwhile, the reality is their tantrum isn't stopping you from doing what you want anyway so "let them get it out of their system".
I agree. The fascists could tolerate 10 million people coming out every Saturday for a couple hours, shouting, waving signs, then going back home and preparing for the work week. Those 10 million people could keep on working and paying taxes and doing all the things the government needs from them, and the fascists could continue holding onto power and using it for every monstrous and mundane whim they wanted it for.
They won’t, though. These fascists, at least, have really thin skin. It’s a delicate balance, knowing when a crackdown is an effective way to suppress resistance, and when it will just engender more, and I don’t think they know how to play it. If nothing else, I think 10 million people all sharing that “What now?” feeling in streets across the country is not a waste of time. And if it does produce an ill-advised crackdown that might move people’s thinking, too.
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My no Kings protest was incredible, we got triple the turnout and there were no trump signs spotted at all which is a shock considering it was held in the same strip mall that had a trump merch store during the election.
Had to explain to a few people why there was inflatable animal costumes and more than a few dogs thought they were real giant animals.
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On October 19 2025 02:06 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2025 01:42 Billyboy wrote:
When the true revolutionists become to complacent to even go to actual protests you know it is all lost. Some might say it mere shows him for the fraud that he always was.
I mean its the general problem with "true revolutionaries" that don't want to do the work to actually change things they just want to complain about nothing getting done. Its clear GH values his moral high ground over any actual revolutionary feelings.
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On October 19 2025 01:57 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2025 01:35 ChristianS wrote:On October 19 2025 01:17 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 19 2025 01:02 ChristianS wrote:On October 19 2025 00:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 19 2025 00:25 ChristianS wrote:On October 18 2025 23:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 18 2025 23:36 Acrofales wrote:On October 18 2025 23:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
Should I go to my local No Kings protest? Are any of you going? I would, but Spain is weirdly fond of their monarch so no local protests here. Just a little Kings as a treat? No one here going, or maybe they're already at one? I’m going Edit: I don’t go every two weeks, but this one feels like it might be more valuable than most. How so? I'd have to skip a family gathering, and that just feels like a better use of my time frankly. No argument here, be with your family. But immediately after the authoritarians try to intimidate everyone out of showing up is a good time to show up imo I can't help but feel/wonder "show up for what?" "No Kings"? As Acro indicates, it's not exactly "Kings" that are the problem. I’m not convinced that monarchists aren’t a pretty significant percentage of the problem. Some of them are self-identified monarchists, some would insist they’re not, but they all support unchecked personalist rule. In Europe they’d be recognized as such more quickly, but it’s been so long Americans don’t realize what they’re looking at. But yes, I haven’t gone to more of these because of the overwhelming “Now what?” feeling they leave you with (and don’t seem to have much of an answer to). I know there's no way it would ever be my dream list, but if there was just some basic "these 3 things are what we're demanding and we're all going to stay out here occupyish style until we get it" I think it would significantly help that "now what?" feeling. Obviously not all ~5 - 10 million people that protest today can do that, but we could all (including the millions that are supportive but otherwise occupied/live elsewhere) collectively support the million or so that could with our support. Instead, this feels more like letting your kid throw a tantrum so they tire themselves out and then fall asleep. It's easier than forcing them to stop or winning the argument rationally. Meanwhile, the reality is their tantrum isn't stopping you from doing what you want anyway, so you might as well "let them get it out of their system".
You have the roles of toddler and adult reversed, I feel.
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On October 18 2025 23:52 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2025 23:36 Acrofales wrote:On October 18 2025 23:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
Should I go to my local No Kings protest? Are any of you going? I would, but Spain is weirdly fond of their monarch so no local protests here. Just a little Kings as a treat? No one here going, or maybe they're already at one?
Im not, I'm staying in and finishing out my playthrough of Persona 5 Royal
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