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Doublemint
Austria8760 Posts
as to what people respond with when asked, the how and why they think that is is where things start to get interesting. | ||
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Vivax
22414 Posts
On October 20 2025 05:29 Doublemint wrote: maybe elaborate a bit more? I mean the sense that things are going downhill is palpable, among huge chunks of people. as to what people respond with when asked, the how and why they think that is is where things start to get interesting. It‘s too much to condense into a post. Every system where corruption begins to surface is going to turn oppressive or violent to protect itself. That‘s kinda just within the nature of self-interest. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10960 Posts
On October 20 2025 05:43 Vivax wrote: It‘s too much to condense into a post. Every system where corruption begins to surface is going to turn oppressive or violent to protect itself. That‘s kinda just within the nature of self-interest. Thats why strong checks and balances / separation of power is a requirement for a long term functioning democracy. As soon as courts get politicised your well on your way into deep shit. | ||
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pmh
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KT_Elwood
Germany1198 Posts
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brian
United States9643 Posts
On October 19 2025 09:04 Razyda wrote: You cant be serious now? How many court cases he faced since he started running for president? was this at Bidens direction? or is this just obviously not the same thing? (to make no mention of his guilt, which also obviously makes it not the same thing.) | ||
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Vivax
22414 Posts
On October 20 2025 18:00 KT_Elwood wrote: Weird: The world needs sincere politicians again, or politicians at all. Trump is a Grifter who only uses politics as badge to do whatever the fuck he wants.. or better.. have whatever the fuck people like Miller want do through him. His clients are tech billionaires and the military industry, the petrol industry etc…Megacorp or whatever. It‘s still the foundation of nationwide wealth so he can use all the attention he can get, even if it‘s bad, to distract from the bigger problem that technology without proper oversight causes. There‘s nothing rich folk desire more than to be free of government shackles to create their own little paradises… Who‘s governing whom ? There are individuals with more wealth than entire continents, probably, and Trump‘s the bastion shielding them. | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany1198 Posts
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Vivax
22414 Posts
These guys will carpet bomb the entire place, metaphorically speaking, just to get to you. Not like Trump‘s going to do anything about that sort of thing happening in several places at once when corporates have got him by the balls. | ||
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Legan
Finland597 Posts
On October 20 2025 20:36 KT_Elwood wrote: Billionaires in the west, and espcially in the US desire to have the same power and position as oligarchs in russia - Trump wants to be a Putin, because doing business is clearly not his forte. Grifting and stealing and intimidating.. yes. But actual businez? That's left to cronies that pay him in "respect". I doubt that the billionaires would express it as a direct desire, but as an obvious right they deserve. More of a belief in their own supremacy and entitlement than a belief that Russia has a better system. There are, of course, people who want a more codified version, but such laws would also limit them compared to not enforcing any laws against them. Especially, I doubt they would actually like the threats that Putin can direct at the Russian elite. Ultimately, I don't think there is a difference if a nationalistic government views companies as an extension of the country or if companies force the government to act in their interest. The former leads the government to consider companies' interests as national interests and acts the same way as when companies would pressure it to act. In the latter case, a more powerful government and nation enable companies to have a greater impact on society and the world, which means that companies will consider the national interests. This also makes companies prefer authoritarian governments. In both cases, billionaires naturally get involved in governance. Only in a situation where both companies and the government are weak is the cycle avoided. In the current situation, billionaires and companies may have an interest in the status that Russia and China would allow them. However, allying with them would be risky, as they could also turn on them. Musk would have had a much worse time with Putin than he had with Trump. Thus, it is better to turn other countries into more authoritarian versions. This would also help to ensure that the cycle works in a favourable direction for the billionaires. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22630 Posts
In the US your billions will keep you safe, your basically untouchable outside of perhaps a serial child molester, and even then you can operate for 30+ years. In China if you fall on the bad side of the party you can have your wealth stripped and thrown in prison. In Russia you will fall out of a window or onto some bullets and no one will bat an eye. They'll all thing it won't happen to them, but that's what everyone who fell victim thought right up until the end. I'll take being a power hungry sociopathic billionaire in the US over being a power hungry sociopathic 10x billionaire anywhere else. (if your a more normal person with obscene wealth i'll take most of the other western democracies over the US) | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1757 Posts
In most European / Western democracies you will have a slightly harder time multiplying your wealth and getting away with crazy shit then in the US. So, yeah, for "more normal" person with a lot of money, sure, EU is probably a place to be, if you want to take your wealth and enjoy it in a normal way. If you want to be a Rupert Murdoch or Elon Musk or Jeffry Bezos or even Donald Trump for that matter, and keep on making more of it while being a sociopath who gets off on power, yeah, the USA is the place to be. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24369 Posts
On October 20 2025 23:37 Jankisa wrote: I still think the US is something of a safe heaven for obscenely wealthy people. In most European / Western democracies you will have a slightly harder time multiplying your wealth and getting away with crazy shit then in the US. + Show Spoiler + So, yeah, for "more normal" person with a lot of money, sure, EU is probably a place to be, if you want to take your wealth and enjoy it in a normal way. If you want to be a Rupert Murdoch or Elon Musk or Jeffry Bezos or even Donald Trump for that matter, and keep on making more of it while being a sociopath who gets off on power, yeah, the USA is the place to be. I can't help but notice all of those billionaires used to be considered Democrats (Australian Labor party for Murdoch) until Trump made them Republicans (other than Murdoch). There's probably something about that worth examining closer. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1757 Posts
I think they do and say whatever they think will maximize their wealth, for a while, the winds in all of the world were blowing very steadily in a Neo-liberal direction, this aligned neatly with the technocratic / post-labour parties across the world, more or less, with the nationalistic / warmongering approaches to governing being hugely unpopular. And the silly thing is, from what I could tell, we had it so good, Neo-liberalism while inherently flawed was able to get the world in to a interconnected state where no one really wanted to rock the boat too much because everyone was, at least in the western world relatively fat and happy. Globalism worked, but something happened, maybe it's all these old farts longing for the "good old days" being close to death and wanting to "leave their mark", maybe it's 2008 crisis, maybe it's unwise and unchecked immigration policies and ignoring how people would react because we thought we were "past" this bullshit, and most likely it's all of the above and then some. Then, for whatever reason (and I do assign a good chunk of the blame directly at Murdoch) the world kind of turned, since 2015 we are kind of living in a "fuck your feelings" and "I have my own, alternative facts" kind of universe, the Billionaire class was a bit slow to react but got on to the program and now we have all of this shit hyper-charged by the money they are pouring into politics and propaganda. | ||
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Legan
Finland597 Posts
On October 21 2025 00:02 GreenHorizons wrote: I can't help but notice all of those billionaires used to be considered Democrats (Australian Labor party for Murdoch) until Trump made them Republicans (other than Murdoch). There's probably something about that worth examining closer. Unfortunately the questions risen from such examination would be to complicated and big to deal by the society, or at least any change to address them would be too risky. If for example it reached conclusion that billionaires are harmful to equality, rule of law, and democracy, and should be removed or limited, the question how to achieve that would be something that many would not want consider ever. | ||
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Vivax
22414 Posts
They just care to shred through natural resources, have as much as possible and erect monuments to themselves until it all inevitably goes to shit, more or less. As long as they‘re able to prevent a doomsday type of scenario, any president is capable of doing something good, and keeping unchecked greed in check also matters. | ||
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Luolis
Finland7196 Posts
Completely normal thing for the white house press secretary to tweet. | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46480 Posts
On October 21 2025 04:23 Luolis wrote: https://x.com/PressSec/status/1980288128867877125 Completely normal thing for the white house press secretary to tweet. That's both insane and unsurprising. She's such an idiot. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10960 Posts
On October 21 2025 06:36 Sadist wrote: Embarassing but par for the course. If you go back even 4 years it would be unimaginable for people in high level positions in government to speak like that. Its full idiocracy. Uhm... Trump 1 was allready done 4 years ago. | ||
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