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Sent.
Poland9316 Posts
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Billyboy
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EnDeR_
Spain2916 Posts
On September 26 2025 22:19 Introvert wrote: Sent hit the nail on the head. In less rancourous times there was a saying, iirc penned by commentator Charles Krauthammer that "Conservatives think liberals are wrong, liberals think Conservatives are evil." I think this is mostly true (keep on mind we are saying "liberal" in the American sense of the word). For the criticism that the right is very "moralistic" i think surely that criticism (if you would even call it that) applies to the left at least as much. There is also the cultural dimension as well. American popular culture and academia has become so insular and increasingly left-wing that it's far easier, from what i can tell, for someone on the left to hear almost nothing from someone they disagree with than the opposite. It’s surely true on campus, and I and many others could attest to that personally. I'm sure it's not quite so overwhelming in a more conservative state, but any conservative who has ever attended college or seen a single thing a famous actor has said or read a news story in a legacy newspaper has had to read and interact with people they disagree with. Some Trumpers are incredibly annoying though, yes. I don't disagree that this may have been the case back in the day. But is it true now? I don't think right-wingers are moralistic; that kind of went when Trump became the standard-bearer. There was a clear shift from "holier than thou, you must uphold family values or you will go to hell" to "owning the libs", I don't think this is really arguable to be honest. In fact, it is becoming more and more common for right-wing people to describe anything left of center as their "enemies". You're painting conservatives as some kind of responsible parent with an unruly leftwing teenager, and I just don't think that image holds in modern America. | ||
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oBlade
United States6274 Posts
On September 27 2025 00:09 Sadist wrote: I cannot believe that there are people in this thread making conservatives out to be some pious group that doesnt hate liberals only their leaders. Or that liberals never encounter opposing view points until later in life. Are you kidding me? You dont think evangelicals hate muslims, atheists, lgbtq, etc? Basically anyone other than fellow evangelicals? The racists in the republican party dont really hate minorities? People who grow up conservative are usually some of the most insular people you will run into. They either grew up in the church which has major in group out group dynamics OR they grew up in a lily white town and never encountered people different themselves until later in life, but by then their view point is mostly solidified. Its LIBERALS who are generally exposed to more people and viewpoints throughout life. Not conservatives. What in the absolute George Orwell 1984 double speak is going on in this thread. What the fuck. What state were you born in and which have you lived in? | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
On September 27 2025 00:32 oBlade wrote: What state were you born in and which have you lived in? What state were you born in and which have you lived in? What the fuck kind of question is this? | ||
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oBlade
United States6274 Posts
On September 27 2025 00:35 Sadist wrote: What state were you born in and which have you lived in? What the fuck kind of question is this? You're painting with a pretty broad brush, I thought you might have some experience to justify that view. It's your original perspective right? Not just what a website or media told you? | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
Ive been to most of the states and interacted with all types of people. Ive left the country for work. Get out of here with your bullshit. Are you an army brat that has lived all over? Is that your rationale? | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On September 27 2025 00:43 Sadist wrote: Lmao yes. I grew up in a diverse area surrounded by affluent white towns. Within the area i grew up there were evangelicals, 7th day adventists, Jehovas witnesses, catholics, muslims, greek orthodox, etc. Ive been to most of the states and interacted with all types of people. Ive left the country for work. Get out of here with your bullshit. Are you an army brat that has lived all over? Is that your rationale? A classic talking point of right-wingers is that left-wingers are created in woke universities. | ||
KwarK
United States44162 Posts
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oBlade
United States6274 Posts
On September 27 2025 00:43 Sadist wrote: Lmao yes. I grew up in a diverse area surrounded by affluent white towns. Within the area i grew up there were evangelicals, 7th day adventists, Jehovas witnesses, catholics, muslims, greek orthodox, etc. Ive been to most of the states and interacted with all types of people. Ive left the country for work. Get out of here with your bullshit. Are you an army brat that has lived all over? Is that your rationale? Is that my rationale for... what? | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
That you have lived life and that's why you have the correct views, and anyone opposing you has the wrong views because they're less experienced than you. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14153 Posts
The only way you'd get a credible read is if you asked for much more personal information like where in the state did you live, from what time did you live there until moving, and where are you now? No one should be expected to share that information on the internet. | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
I dont believe many people would be racist if they grew up in diverse areas and had friends from many different walks of life. Same goes for conservatives in general, theres lots of people in the world. All of the insular policies (anti lgtbq, promotion of christianity over other religions, etc) come from lack of empathy and being around people that would be hurt by these policies or viewpoints. | ||
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Fleetfeet
Canada2770 Posts
What's your IQ? Oh, no. I have no rationale or motivation behind that question. I wasn't trying to disqualify your position or anything, I was just asking a question ^_______^ | ||
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LightSpectra
United States2816 Posts
On September 27 2025 00:45 Magic Powers wrote: A classic talking point of right-wingers is that left-wingers are created in woke universities. I mean, there's some truth to that. Not that universities are indoctrinating children, but it's impossible to participate in anything involving biology without knowing evolution is a fact and vaccines actually work. It's impossible to participate in anything involving weather, climate, geology, geoengineering etc. without knowing anthropogenic climate change is a fact. It's impossible to participate in anything involving Euro-American history without seeing utterly brutal, sadistic racism that's frequently glossed over or even omitted in many peoples' gradeschool curriculum. It's impossible to to study criminology without seeing that poverty is what drives the vast majority of people to crime, not culture or nationality or skin color. It's impossible to learn anything about other countries of the world without seeing universal healthcare simply works everywhere it's been implemented. And so on. There are some parts of conservative ideology that comes down to subjective opinion, like whether a fetus should be considered a person with all of the human rights that people have. But every single far-right plank that's falsifiable with science has been overwhelmingly debunked for decades. And once you realize Republicans have been lying about all of those things, it's hard to take them seriously about the subjective things either. There are very few university majors you can get that doesn't result in instantly realizing the far-right is blatantly lying about at least one thing. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On September 27 2025 02:18 LightSpectra wrote: I mean, there's some truth to that. Not that universities are indoctrinating children, but it's impossible to participate in anything involving biology without knowing evolution is a fact and vaccines actually work. It's impossible to participate in anything involving weather, climate, geology, geoengineering etc. without knowing anthropogenic climate change is a fact. It's impossible to participate in anything involving Euro-American history without seeing utterly brutal, sadistic racism that's frequently glossed over or even omitted in many peoples' gradeschool curriculum. It's impossible to to study criminology without seeing that poverty is what drives the vast majority of people to crime, not culture or nationality or skin color. It's impossible to learn anything about other countries of the world without seeing universal healthcare simply works everywhere it's been implemented. And so on. There are some parts of conservative ideology that comes down to subjective opinion, like whether a fetus should be considered a person with all of the human rights that people have. But every single far-right plank that's falsifiable with science has been overwhelmingly debunked for decades. And once you realize Republicans have been lying about all of those things, it's hard to take them seriously about the subjective things either. There are very few university majors you can get that doesn't result in instantly realizing the far-right is blatantly lying about at least one thing. Yeah, I broadly agree. The funny (and revealing) part is that they call the result of university education "left-wing" and the universities themselves "woke". But it doesn't lead to left-wing views. For a right-winger though anything that's not right-wing sounds left-wing. Case in point: this thread. That's where their idea stems from that DEI is a radical left-wing concept. Just because DEI strongly opposes right-wing ideals and beliefs. They don't get the idea that DEI could be a fairly moderate concept. It's not regressive enough for a conservative, and anything that's more progressive than status quo racism is viewed as left-wing. That's an important part of their reasoning. They're just denying that the way we used to do things before DEI was racist. They now say "you call anyone and anything racist". | ||
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LightSpectra
United States2816 Posts
The idea that DEI means mediocre minorities take the place of qualified white men is just a big fat lie. Businesses have been saying that since the 1980s when Ronald Reagan tried to dismantle equality and affirmative action laws. Those same businesses have no problem doing cartoonishly evil things like sabotage labor unions or schedule workers with just enough hours so they don't qualify for health insurance, so it's not like they were holding DEI policies out of the goodness of their hearts. They made a shitload of money by prioritizing diversity. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States2816 Posts
"These new files are notable in that they suggest all three powerful men had a relationship with Epstein after his controversial plea deal that forced him to register as a sex offender. Many people have argued that the non-prosecution agreement, which was signed in 2007, allowed Epstein to continue to prey on young women and girls for years before his subsequent 2019 arrest." The plea deal mentioned above was arranged by Alex Acosta, who was Trump's Secretary of Labor during his first administration. He's now on the board of directors for right-wing news channel Newsmax. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22440 Posts
On September 27 2025 03:07 LightSpectra wrote: The biggest advertisement for DEI policies is the collection of utterly incompetent white men appointed by the current administration.Republicans threatened Costco if they didn't scale back their DEI initiatives, and their shareholders overwhelmingly voted not to comply. Because the advantages they got from creativity, innovation, and a respectful workplace was vastly more valuable than whatever they'd gain in return: https://apnews.com/article/costco-shareholder-proposal-diversity-dei-0330f448741b35f2f788a36948ff3f95 The idea that DEI means mediocre minorities take the place of qualified white men is just a big fat lie. Businesses have been saying that since the 1980s when Ronald Reagan tried to dismantle equality and affirmative action laws. Those same businesses have no problem doing cartoonishly evil things like sabotage labor unions or schedule workers with just enough hours so they don't qualify for health insurance, so it's not like they were holding DEI policies out of the goodness of their hearts. They made a shitload of money by prioritizing diversity. | ||
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oBlade
United States6274 Posts
On September 27 2025 03:12 LightSpectra wrote: In other news, Politico: Musk, Bannon and Thiel named in new Epstein estate documents "These new files are notable in that they suggest all three powerful men had a relationship with Epstein after his controversial plea deal that forced him to register as a sex offender. Many people have argued that the non-prosecution agreement, which was signed in 2007, allowed Epstein to continue to prey on young women and girls for years before his subsequent 2019 arrest." The plea deal mentioned above was arranged by Alex Acosta, who was Trump's Secretary of Labor during his first administration. He's now on the board of directors for right-wing news channel Newsmax. I suspected for a long time that Ghislaine Maxwell was procuring teenage girls for Epstein to traffic to Peter Thiel. It feels good to finally be vindicated. | ||
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