EPTWasn’t there a different guy with the same name who was a Trump donor and that made it into the speculation sphere shortly after he was arrested?
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KwarK
United States44355 Posts
Wasn’t there a different guy with the same name who was a Trump donor and that made it into the speculation sphere shortly after he was arrested? | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On September 17 2025 22:19 KT_Elwood wrote: I find the sentiment "He can't be right wing, if he was in love with a transperson". hilarious. You got it. Expressing hatred based on Religion/Race/Gender/Sexual orientation is not expressing a political view. That's just being a threat to other people's existence. Americans and especially right-wing people in my mind have a rather narrow approach to combat existencial threats. (Hint: It's always involving guns!) I think this conversation is not handled responsibly when its between left/right wing people disagreeing. We all agree there are times when people should die for their political beliefs. We may not agree a specific person had sufficiently wrong beliefs to be killed, but WW2 was totally about "political beliefs". | ||
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Phyanketto
United States611 Posts
On September 18 2025 02:22 Mohdoo wrote: I think this conversation is not handled responsibly when its between left/right wing people disagreeing. We all agree there are times when people should die for their political beliefs. We may not agree a specific person had sufficiently wrong beliefs to be killed, but WW2 was totally about "political beliefs". Agreed, the vitriol has become too much, but one side is broadly armed and in control of government, and openly flaunting the constitution and established legal precedent. This was released the other day, and while I am loathe to speculate, this would appear to be the exact sort of thing the right is calling for. Attacking someone's beliefs is not the same thing as attacking someone's personhood or safety, which is basically what the more extreme (platformed) arm of the right is doing. The very fact that they can advocate things like that and this should be terrifying to everyone who cares about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I fully realize that those 'rappers' are just individuals, but at the same time, so was Tyler Robinson. The response on the right has not been about individuals, it has been collectivist and identity-based, which is ironically the thing they claim to hate most. They seem to be happy to sacrifice whole groups and their identity as freedom-loving Americans to sate their bloodlust. | ||
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Vivax
22415 Posts
On September 18 2025 02:22 Mohdoo wrote: I think this conversation is not handled responsibly when its between left/right wing people disagreeing. We all agree there are times when people should die for their political beliefs. We may not agree a specific person had sufficiently wrong beliefs to be killed, but WW2 was totally about "political beliefs". It‘s not about the beliefs but how said beliefs translate into action. Beliefs are just how you expect a person to behave based on the values they try to communicate. Just because a society appears perfect doesn‘t mean they don‘t do gruesome things. One example : https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/09/13/british-woman-faces-life-sentence-dubai-single-line-cocaine/ This isn‘t a correctional measure, it‘s like a death sentence. I mean sure, it‘s also the result of taking such a risk in a country that isn‘t yours that would be more tolerant towards addicts. Promoting law and order doesn‘t mean you get to shoot foreign citizens off the coast of South American countries without any process. What‘s next ? Euros getting drone striked in their living rooms because of their criticism of Trump ? | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1760 Posts
I disagree with Destiny on a bunch of issues, but he's been railroaded now in another breathtaking example of the hypocrisy of the "free speech absolutist crowd". Also, this is both ballsy and funny as fuck: https://imgur.com/iw8NoG2 | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22638 Posts
On September 18 2025 03:59 Jankisa wrote: I'm sorry to have to tell you this but Destiny was banned in 2022.I'm pretty sure the latest Destiny twitch ban was a result of Elon and others getting in a feud with him, he did post a bunch of inflammatory things (he does that all the time) and said a bunch of shit that could be construed as breaking twitch rules, he, however, has been doing that for years and banning him now because he had bad things to say about CK is just another example of RW cancel culture. I disagree with Destiny on a bunch of issues, but he's been railroaded now in another breathtaking example of the hypocrisy of the "free speech absolutist crowd". Also, this is both ballsy and funny as fuck: https://imgur.com/iw8NoG2 He didn't get banned a few weeks ago. And the guy has had 'mental issues' for as long as I have heard of him existing. Just another case of fake outrage clickbait bullshit. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27460 Posts
Spiky and brash yes, but sometimes you have to be if the environment is one of faux-civility, acting as a shield for bullshit or worse. I will note that I don’t watch him, or consume his content. I’ve seen the odd clip, or the odd appearance on other shows or whatever So he may have a million atrocious takes that I haven’t seen. So don’t @ me if that is the case, I’m going off very little Destiny exposure. | ||
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Vivax
22415 Posts
On September 18 2025 04:14 WombaT wrote: It truly is a strange timeline for those of us veterans of SC2 to see Destiny is a reasonably large politics streamer. Stranger still that he’s not a particularly bad one. Spiky and brash yes, but sometimes you have to be if the environment is one of faux-civility, acting as a shield for bullshit or worse. I will note that I don’t watch him, or consume his content. I’ve seen the odd clip, or the odd appearance on other shows or whatever So he may have a million atrocious takes that I haven’t seen. So don’t @ me if that is the case, I’m going off very little Destiny exposure. It‘s an unhealthy climate for streamers compared to SC2s golden age, probs. Everyone‘s on edge and social media has become insanely intrusive. I wipe my arse with wet wipes and see an ad from the brand on facebook shortly after. Makes you go oO This isn‘t a good moment to criticize a dead person at least out of consideration for the widow. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States3273 Posts
I stopped trying to understand what's going on in the right-wing griftersphere a long time ago, is this normal? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46490 Posts
On September 18 2025 04:22 LightSpectra wrote: Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens are both saying Trump assassinated Charlie Kirk. Edit: And Steve Bannon is saying the text messages between the killer and his roommate are fake. I stopped trying to understand what's going on in the right-wing griftersphere a long time ago, is this normal? They really said those things? I don't understand why the 3 of them wouldn't just jump on the anti-Dem/anti-trans bandwagon, like nearly every other conservative talking head. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1760 Posts
On September 18 2025 04:07 Gorsameth wrote: I'm sorry to have to tell you this but Destiny was banned in 2022. He didn't get banned a few weeks ago. And the guy has had 'mental issues' for as long as I have heard of him existing. Just another case of fake outrage clickbait bullshit. Sorry about that, I guess I got baited by him as well, trolls gonna troll I guess. On September 18 2025 04:14 WombaT wrote: It truly is a strange timeline for those of us veterans of SC2 to see Destiny is a reasonably large politics streamer. Stranger still that he’s not a particularly bad one. Spiky and brash yes, but sometimes you have to be if the environment is one of faux-civility, acting as a shield for bullshit or worse. I will note that I don’t watch him, or consume his content. I’ve seen the odd clip, or the odd appearance on other shows or whatever So he may have a million atrocious takes that I haven’t seen. So don’t @ me if that is the case, I’m going off very little Destiny exposure. His takes are very varied, and he's one of the most stubborn people alive, plus, he has a parasocial cult following that is one of the most toxic and aggressive communities on reddit. He's said some truly insane shit, and done some pretty crazy shit as well, but, he does do research and is willing to debate basically anyone, and he usually wipes the floor with any right winger that is stupid enough to try to engage with him, so there's that. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5872 Posts
On September 18 2025 04:22 LightSpectra wrote: Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens are both saying Trump assassinated Charlie Kirk. Edit: And Steve Bannon is saying the text messages between the killer and his roommate are fake. I stopped trying to understand what's going on in the right-wing griftersphere a long time ago, is this normal? Source please. ;o | ||
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KwarK
United States44355 Posts
I googled and found this. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States3273 Posts
My mistake, Candace Owens didn't explicitly say Trump did it, but rather Trump donor Bill Ackman: https://thegrio.com/2025/09/16/why-candace-owens-is-trending-in-the-aftermath-of-best-friend-charlie-kirks-death/ Tucker Carlson: https://xcancel.com/allenanalysis/status/1968381745407082967 Steve Bannon: https://xcancel.com/SpencerHakimian/status/1968121472406413484#m Edit: Owens is also saying Robinson's text messages are doctored: https://www.sportskeeda.com/us/podcasts/news-candace-owens-says-tyler-robinson-s-texts-doctored-challenges-us-government-release-full-chat-charlie-kirk-murder-suspect I think these people are all clowns and don't really care what they think. I'm guessing they just do a weave of arbitrarily being skeptical of right-wing narratives every once in awhile to look more independent, is that right? | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22638 Posts
This is entirely the world that Carlson directly helped create. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27460 Posts
On September 18 2025 04:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: They really said those things? I don't understand why the 3 of them wouldn't just jump on the anti-Dem/anti-trans bandwagon, like nearly every other conservative talking head. That seems, strange even by their standards. I did find this on me travels though. The broken clock that is Tucker Carlson and me seem to agree on this anyway, although I’m sure not for entirely the same reason. I don’t tend to trust why the Carlson clock is broken, but hey. @Vivax this does somewhat tie in to what we were discussing. Folks can’t have it all. Privacy for the family, but also trying to turn Kirk into a martyr and stoke the flames, they’re not super compatible. It can’t be ‘vengeance on the left!’ on one hand, ‘think about the family’ on another. Which is absolutely something we’ve seen. Now I don’t think his widow has been inflammatory from what I’ve seen, nor should people be mocking her loss to her or anything like that. | ||
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oBlade
United States6540 Posts
On September 18 2025 04:22 LightSpectra wrote: Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens are both saying Trump assassinated Charlie Kirk. On September 18 2025 04:41 LightSpectra wrote: Tucker Carlson: https://xcancel.com/allenanalysis/status/1968381745407082967 Is this a "flood the zone" thing? Video does not reflect the claim which should have been easily checked since it's 1 minute. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14211 Posts
On September 18 2025 04:59 oBlade wrote: Is this a "flood the zone" thing? Video does not reflect the claim which should have been easily checked since it's 1 minute. If you read the thread and scoll up two posts you'll see he admited he made a mistake. Its not flooding the zone if you can admit a mistake was made. See the Trump administration when it spouts insane conspiracy theories in the middle of a crisis and then never apologizes for them. | ||
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castleeMg
Canada791 Posts
On September 18 2025 04:22 LightSpectra wrote: Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens are both saying Trump assassinated Charlie Kirk. Edit: And Steve Bannon is saying the text messages between the killer and his roommate are fake. I stopped trying to understand what's going on in the right-wing griftersphere a long time ago, is this normal? Completely untrue description for the Tucker Carlson clip. Tucker in no way accused Trump of orchestrating an assassination on Kirk. All he said is that he hope his death isn’t used as leverage for the government to clamp down on hate speech laws and he didn’t even specify if that was about republicans or democrats. Seriously that’s how you interpreted it? Trump orchestrated his murder? How did you come to that conclusion? | ||
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Sermokala
United States14211 Posts
On September 18 2025 05:41 castleeMg wrote: Completely untrue description for the Tucker Carlson clip. Tucker in no way accused Trump of orchestrating an assassination on Kirk. All he said is that he hope his death isn’t used as leverage for the government to clamp down on hate speech laws and he didn’t even specify if that was about republicans or democrats. Seriously that’s how you interpreted it? Trump orchestrated his murder? How did you come to that conclusion? I mean on the level of leaps of logic in this country after a crisis going from "hes going to use his death as leverage to clamp down on the left" to "He had Kirk assassinated to use his death as leverage to clamp down on the left" wouldn't rate that highly. Its 2025 and Tucker is far into his russian plant era, that would be right up the russian propaganda alley to use a division material. | ||
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