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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10833 Posts
September 17 2025 21:09 GMT
#104781
On September 18 2025 00:29 MJG wrote:
News outlets caring about Destiny is truly the worst timeline...


Nah, the worst timeline is the one where Donald Trump becomes president of the USA... TWICE!

Oh....
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
September 17 2025 21:29 GMT
#104782
On September 18 2025 06:00 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2025 05:41 castleeMg wrote:
On September 18 2025 04:22 LightSpectra wrote:
Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens are both saying Trump assassinated Charlie Kirk. Edit: And Steve Bannon is saying the text messages between the killer and his roommate are fake.

I stopped trying to understand what's going on in the right-wing griftersphere a long time ago, is this normal?


Completely untrue description for the Tucker Carlson clip. Tucker in no way accused Trump of orchestrating an assassination on Kirk. All he said is that he hope his death isn’t used as leverage for the government to clamp down on hate speech laws and he didn’t even specify if that was about republicans or democrats. Seriously that’s how you interpreted it? Trump orchestrated his murder? How did you come to that conclusion?

I mean on the level of leaps of logic in this country after a crisis going from "hes going to use his death as leverage to clamp down on the left" to "He had Kirk assassinated to use his death as leverage to clamp down on the left" wouldn't rate that highly. Its 2025 and Tucker is far into his russian plant era, that would be right up the russian propaganda alley to use a division material.


‘Could’ isn’t ’did’.

I’m no Tucker Carlson fan, but I’m with castlee on this, it doesn’t appear he’s said such things on this occasion
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8683 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-09-18 00:02:02
September 17 2025 23:57 GMT
#104783
so they pulled Kimmel now?

after MAGA went extra crazy in their anger over Charlie Kirk getting shot dead? and from POTUS down to the the FCC Chair threatened anybody who disagrees that Charlie Kirk was a saint?

corporations caving to the government's authoritarian demands because it could hurt their bottom line or is just "inconvenient" is what they call "Gleichschaltung des Systems". McCarthyism was a bastard cousin of this.

one perceived "enemy" by one they use government power to chill speech and dissent, the lifeblood of democracy. that is taking it magnitudes further than any sizeable SJW congregation or social media company on their own ever could when they "cancelled" people.

again - the Trump admin is using the government's weight and power as a cudgel to chill constitutionally protected speech in the USofA. Xi Jinping, Putin and that fat little NK rascal are proud.

fuck that and anyone defending it. there was a hateful speaker who would be outraged. and that is giving him the benefit of the doubt as most of these MAGA gremlins only feign outrage when Democrats are in power FFS.

https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1786189687260103119

Hate speech does not exist legally in America. There's ugly speech. There's gross speech. There's evil speech.

And ALL of it is protected by the First Amendment.

Keep America free.-Charlie Kirk
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7310 Posts
September 18 2025 00:45 GMT
#104784
Its crazy how many companies are capitulating this time around.

I dont want to hear a damn thing from any of these large companies about ethics or standing behind a set of beliefs. Its shameful.
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
1385 Posts
September 18 2025 00:51 GMT
#104785
Republicans hate Taxes and Cancel Culture. It is two of the biggest reasons they coted for Trump.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45216 Posts
September 18 2025 00:51 GMT
#104786
On September 18 2025 08:57 Doublemint wrote:
so they pulled Kimmel now?

after MAGA went extra crazy in their anger over Charlie Kirk getting shot dead? and from POTUS down to the the FCC Chair threatened anybody who disagrees that Charlie Kirk was a saint?


Yeah I just read about Jimmy Kimmel getting cancelled due to his Monday monologue. I haven't watched his monologue, but this seems to be the main part that's being used as the justification for his cancellation afaik:

"“The MAGA Gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it,” Kimmel said." https://www.cnbc.com/2025/09/17/charlie-kirk-jimmy-kimmel-abc-disney.html

It's absolutely insane for him to get cancelled over something so innocuous (and at least partially true - MAGA is obviously trying to score political points from Kirk's death), if this is really all he's been saying. Maybe he's also said more toxic and incendiary things about Kirk? Dunno.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Hat Trick of Today
Profile Joined February 2025
165 Posts
September 18 2025 02:23 GMT
#104787
The reason Kimmel got the boot so easily is because Nextstar is currently in talks with the FCC to acquire Tegna.

Just like how Facebook and Twitter are conveniently missing from the just now announced probe into antisocial behaviour on social media, it’s all quid pro quo all the way down.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20106 Posts
September 18 2025 02:31 GMT
#104788
Donald Trump said "Jimmy is going to be next"
Donald Trump admin approves merger
Jimmy gets canceled over absolutely nothing (meanwhile fox news hosts freely talk about euthanizing the homeless)
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20106 Posts
September 18 2025 02:35 GMT
#104789
On September 18 2025 04:41 LightSpectra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2025 04:33 maybenexttime wrote:
On September 18 2025 04:22 LightSpectra wrote:
Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens are both saying Trump assassinated Charlie Kirk. Edit: And Steve Bannon is saying the text messages between the killer and his roommate are fake.

I stopped trying to understand what's going on in the right-wing griftersphere a long time ago, is this normal?

Source please. ;o


My mistake, Candace Owens didn't explicitly say Trump did it, but rather Trump donor Bill Ackman: https://thegrio.com/2025/09/16/why-candace-owens-is-trending-in-the-aftermath-of-best-friend-charlie-kirks-death/

Tucker Carlson: https://xcancel.com/allenanalysis/status/1968381745407082967

Steve Bannon: https://xcancel.com/SpencerHakimian/status/1968121472406413484#m

Edit: Owens is also saying Robinson's text messages are doctored: https://www.sportskeeda.com/us/podcasts/news-candace-owens-says-tyler-robinson-s-texts-doctored-challenges-us-government-release-full-chat-charlie-kirk-murder-suspect

I think these people are all clowns and don't really care what they think. I'm guessing they just do a weave of arbitrarily being skeptical of right-wing narratives every once in awhile to look more independent, is that right?


That text conversation is the least believable thing I've ever read. It reads like it was written by my 70 year old conservative dad with chatgpt.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-09-18 03:16:11
September 18 2025 03:09 GMT
#104790
This feels like the end, honestly. I've been a doomer the whole time, but I think we might have arrived.

The party-of-free-speech has absolutely ripped the mask off in the last few days, and there isn't really anyone left to stop the new party-of-censorship. You just know Trump's infantile ego has been itching the whole time to go after every random person who's ever criticised him. He's been waiting for this moment his whole life.

An absolutely astronomical portion of public discourse is controlled by a handful of US companies, and they've all been busy sniffing the wind and then sniffing Trump's backside for a while now. They're not going to risk their shareholders by standing up to him in any meaningful way, not when the average citizen seems absolutely fine with it all anyway.

And when they don't, and the average citizen shrugs and goes to work the next day, that's gg imo.

KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43459 Posts
September 18 2025 03:16 GMT
#104791
On September 18 2025 12:09 Belisarius wrote:
This feels like the end, honestly. I've been a doomer the whole time, but I think we might have arrived.

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning"
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20106 Posts
September 18 2025 03:26 GMT
#104792
Unfortunately i have little faith in the next part of that quote at the moment

"Henceforth Hitler’s[Trumps] Nazis will meet equally well armed, and perhaps better armed troops."

Also there is a bit of a gap between our current leadership and Roosevelt & Churchill
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45216 Posts
September 18 2025 03:27 GMT
#104793
I think this is the full extent of Kimmel's talk about Kirk (which was mostly making fun of Trump):
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43459 Posts
September 18 2025 03:52 GMT
#104794
I think if you're taken off air on the direct orders of the government then the technical term is silenced rather than pulled.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3507 Posts
September 18 2025 04:27 GMT
#104795
On September 18 2025 11:31 decafchicken wrote:
Donald Trump said "Jimmy is going to be next"
Donald Trump admin approves merger
Jimmy gets canceled over absolutely nothing (meanwhile fox news hosts freely talk about euthanizing the homeless)

Indeed this. Trump's quote from ~July 30, following end of Colbert ::

“Everybody is saying that I was solely responsible for the firing of Stephen Colbert from CBS, ‘Late Night,'” Trump wrote. “That is not true! The reason he was fired was a pure lack of TALENT, and the fact that this deficiency was costing CBS $50 Million Dollars a year in losses — And it was only going to get WORSE!”

Trump went on to claim that “an even less talented Jimmy Kimmel” will be “next up” to lose his job, followed by “a weak, and very insecure, Jimmy Fallon.”


The playbook is in effect. :[

Jaedong Hyuk || Bisu Jangbi || Fantasy Flash
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14075 Posts
September 18 2025 04:55 GMT
#104796
On September 18 2025 06:29 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2025 06:00 Sermokala wrote:
On September 18 2025 05:41 castleeMg wrote:
On September 18 2025 04:22 LightSpectra wrote:
Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens are both saying Trump assassinated Charlie Kirk. Edit: And Steve Bannon is saying the text messages between the killer and his roommate are fake.

I stopped trying to understand what's going on in the right-wing griftersphere a long time ago, is this normal?


Completely untrue description for the Tucker Carlson clip. Tucker in no way accused Trump of orchestrating an assassination on Kirk. All he said is that he hope his death isn’t used as leverage for the government to clamp down on hate speech laws and he didn’t even specify if that was about republicans or democrats. Seriously that’s how you interpreted it? Trump orchestrated his murder? How did you come to that conclusion?

I mean on the level of leaps of logic in this country after a crisis going from "hes going to use his death as leverage to clamp down on the left" to "He had Kirk assassinated to use his death as leverage to clamp down on the left" wouldn't rate that highly. Its 2025 and Tucker is far into his russian plant era, that would be right up the russian propaganda alley to use a division material.


‘Could’ isn’t ’did’.

I’m no Tucker Carlson fan, but I’m with castlee on this, it doesn’t appear he’s said such things on this occasion

I'm not saying that he said the thing, I'm saying it isn't completly unbelievable that he would say it given the context I provided. Castlee was asking how someone came to the conclusion.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23579 Posts
September 18 2025 05:13 GMT
#104797
On September 18 2025 12:09 Belisarius wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
This feels like the end, honestly. I've been a doomer the whole time, but I think we might have arrived.

The party-of-free-speech has absolutely ripped the mask off in the last few days, and there isn't really anyone left to stop the new party-of-censorship. You just know Trump's infantile ego has been itching the whole time to go after every random person who's ever criticised him. He's been waiting for this moment his whole life.

An absolutely astronomical portion of public discourse is controlled by a handful of US companies, and they've all been busy sniffing the wind and then sniffing Trump's backside for a while now. They're not going to risk their shareholders by standing up to him in any meaningful way, not when the average citizen seems absolutely fine with it all anyway.


And when they don't, and the average citizen shrugs and goes to work the next day, that's gg imo.


Who on the public stage is encouraging/telling them to do something different?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14075 Posts
September 18 2025 05:36 GMT
#104798
On September 18 2025 14:13 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2025 12:09 Belisarius wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
This feels like the end, honestly. I've been a doomer the whole time, but I think we might have arrived.

The party-of-free-speech has absolutely ripped the mask off in the last few days, and there isn't really anyone left to stop the new party-of-censorship. You just know Trump's infantile ego has been itching the whole time to go after every random person who's ever criticised him. He's been waiting for this moment his whole life.

An absolutely astronomical portion of public discourse is controlled by a handful of US companies, and they've all been busy sniffing the wind and then sniffing Trump's backside for a while now. They're not going to risk their shareholders by standing up to him in any meaningful way, not when the average citizen seems absolutely fine with it all anyway.


And when they don't, and the average citizen shrugs and goes to work the next day, that's gg imo.


Who on the public stage is encouraging/telling them to do something different?

Almost all of them. Remember when we had that thing a while back called an election?
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Legan
Profile Joined June 2017
Finland539 Posts
September 18 2025 06:34 GMT
#104799
If Democrats as a party have not planned anything for this situation, then they are even more pathetic. The slippery slope is moving very fast already, and being surprised by these developments is laughable at this point. Where do they think this will stop?

Ordering soldiers around is a practical step to make sure that they are under your control. Easier to remove anyone causing friction before the final push comes. Declaring Mandani or someone else to be a terrorist is an obvious way to check how people will react when they want to expand from random protesters. Some judges have already been arrested. ICE can easily expand to dealing with so-called leftwing terrorists, too.

If someone hostile is taking over your government, you should not give them time, but challenge them before they have fully taken control over everything. Organising a general strike should be the goal already.
Creator of Gresvan, Tropical Sacrifice, Taitalika, and Golden Forge
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14075 Posts
September 18 2025 06:55 GMT
#104800
The plan was to win the election. Some people wanted to send a message to them. They were very clear about what the stakes were back in November.

If you can't get yourself to do a simple thing like vote why would you be expected to take part in a general strike? Participating in a general strike seems much harder and more costly than filling out a ballot.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
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