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Northern Ireland27460 Posts
On September 15 2025 02:34 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2025 06:01 KwarK wrote:On September 11 2025 05:55 Doublemint wrote:On September 11 2025 05:39 KwarK wrote:On September 11 2025 04:07 Doublemint wrote:Charlie Kirk has been shot in Utah at an event.@dailymail onservative influencer and Turning Point CEO Charlie Kirk has reportedly been shot after gunfire rang out at an event at Utah Valley University on Wednesday.
Chaos erupted at Kirk's Q & A session and students ran for safety.
The right-wing firebrand, 31, was reportedly shot in the neck area and a suspect is in custody following the shooting. Jesus... It’s a start. to nothing good. if we remember, Trump used "Big Balls" getting beat up as a pretense to send the national guard into D.C. only god knows what nightmarish response they come up with after Kirk's death. It doesn't change a thing. They don't need a pretext. They never have. Fentanyl from Canada was used as a justification for tariffs. there were more than one kind of tariff placed on Canadian imports for more than one reason. the aluminum and steel tariffs are the "national security tariffs" which will stand even if the supreme court ends Trumps "reciprocal tariffs" and to be precise it was "the # of deaths of US citizens due to consuming fentanyl" as justification for the reciprocal tariffs. According to Lutnick once that # goes down they'll reconsider the tariffs. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/human-smuggling-b-c-u-s-soars-train-uber-foot-1.7220751Getting Canada to work diligently on securing its border was a great move by Trump. It will also benefit Canada. As the US secures the southern border outlaw orgs will try the northern border. Also, most of the hand guns in Canada are coming from the USA. So, it is in Canada's best interests to better secure their southern border. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/american-guns-gta-police-data-1.7466092https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/us-northern-border-smuggling-creates-120033467.html?guccounter=1What Canada should do is permit UK/Scotland style USA-run military bases in places like Newfoundland and then trade that concession for lower tariffs.
You’re just excusing bullshit, and actions under the pretext of bullshit because there might be some silver lining, that could have been achieved with regular diplomacy in the first place.
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On September 15 2025 02:48 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2025 02:34 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On September 11 2025 06:01 KwarK wrote:On September 11 2025 05:55 Doublemint wrote:On September 11 2025 05:39 KwarK wrote:On September 11 2025 04:07 Doublemint wrote:Charlie Kirk has been shot in Utah at an event.@dailymail onservative influencer and Turning Point CEO Charlie Kirk has reportedly been shot after gunfire rang out at an event at Utah Valley University on Wednesday.
Chaos erupted at Kirk's Q & A session and students ran for safety.
The right-wing firebrand, 31, was reportedly shot in the neck area and a suspect is in custody following the shooting. Jesus... It’s a start. to nothing good. if we remember, Trump used "Big Balls" getting beat up as a pretense to send the national guard into D.C. only god knows what nightmarish response they come up with after Kirk's death. It doesn't change a thing. They don't need a pretext. They never have. Fentanyl from Canada was used as a justification for tariffs. there were more than one kind of tariff placed on Canadian imports for more than one reason. the aluminum and steel tariffs are the "national security tariffs" which will stand even if the supreme court ends Trumps "reciprocal tariffs" and to be precise it was "the # of deaths of US citizens due to consuming fentanyl" as justification for the reciprocal tariffs. According to Lutnick once that # goes down they'll reconsider the tariffs. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/human-smuggling-b-c-u-s-soars-train-uber-foot-1.7220751Getting Canada to work diligently on securing its border was a great move by Trump. It will also benefit Canada. As the US secures the southern border outlaw orgs will try the northern border. Also, most of the hand guns in Canada are coming from the USA. So, it is in Canada's best interests to better secure their southern border. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/american-guns-gta-police-data-1.7466092https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/us-northern-border-smuggling-creates-120033467.html?guccounter=1What Canada should do is permit UK/Scotland style USA-run military bases in places like Newfoundland and then trade that concession for lower tariffs. You’re just excusing bullshit, and actions under the pretext of bullshit because there might be some silver lining, that could have been achieved with regular diplomacy in the first place.
no, Justin Trudeau had 10 years to fulfill his promises. and Governor Trudeau failed to do so. Trump fucked him up... and he deserved it. By the end Trudeau was polling at 20%.
"ya guys.. will get our military up to 2% of GDP by 2053 guys ... right after we get those 2 billion trees planted".
and the national security tariffs are not BS.
Canada has many levers it can pull in order to get the best trade deal in the world with the USA.
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On September 15 2025 02:48 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2025 02:45 oBlade wrote:On September 15 2025 01:22 KwarK wrote:
Right wing Indians generally self identify as belonging to the same tier in any racial hierarchy as whites, as essentially white. This frequently causes them to be surprised when they learn that white supremacists disagree. Gandhi famously was radicalized when, during his travel in South Africa, he learned that he wasn’t white. His understanding was that there was a two tier system with black Africans on the lower tier and Indians joining whites on the higher one. He was devastated to learn that Indians were regarded as no better than Africans.
All that to say that Kash Patel probably doesn’t know that he’s not white. Many Indians tend to assume that because they have one of the oldest civilizations, made huge contributions to maths, science, independently invented writing etc. then they get some credit for that. That because they’d do well in any logical hierarchy then they should be fine. They’re shocked when they learn that white supremacists simply don’t care. Why did white supremacists make Kash Patel the head of the FBI? Because he's extremely obedient. Are you unfamiliar with the idea of nonwhites performing labour for white supremacists?
Smells like something‘s burning.
Did Patel really say Charlie Kirk went to valhalla ?
More proof that Trump is secretly Immortan Joe.
President by day. Harem tyrant by night.
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On September 15 2025 02:48 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2025 02:45 oBlade wrote:On September 15 2025 01:22 KwarK wrote:
Right wing Indians generally self identify as belonging to the same tier in any racial hierarchy as whites, as essentially white. This frequently causes them to be surprised when they learn that white supremacists disagree. Gandhi famously was radicalized when, during his travel in South Africa, he learned that he wasn’t white. His understanding was that there was a two tier system with black Africans on the lower tier and Indians joining whites on the higher one. He was devastated to learn that Indians were regarded as no better than Africans.
All that to say that Kash Patel probably doesn’t know that he’s not white. Many Indians tend to assume that because they have one of the oldest civilizations, made huge contributions to maths, science, independently invented writing etc. then they get some credit for that. That because they’d do well in any logical hierarchy then they should be fine. They’re shocked when they learn that white supremacists simply don’t care. Why did white supremacists make Kash Patel the head of the FBI? Because he's extremely obedient. Are you unfamiliar with the idea of nonwhites performing labour for white supremacists?
Yeah I'm familiar with slavery, unfortunately for you Kash Patel is salaried.
I also don't think disobedience is a particularly sought-after trait in subordinates.
I would neither hire someone for being disobedient, nor because the civilization of people who looked like them a long time ago was old and independently invented writing. In fact, I think there would be something wrong with hiring some people over others based on their ancestors' contributions to math and science and date of independent inventions of writing.
Let's expand, can you tell us about your impression of the Second Lady? Does she know she's not white or would you like to remind her as well?
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United States44354 Posts
On September 15 2025 03:15 Vivax wrote:
Did Patel really say Charlie Kirk went to valhalla ?
If we want to be precise he said that he would see Kirk in Valhalla. Seems Patel identifies as norse. He's in for a pretty big shock. It'll be like Vivek Ramaswamy all over again.
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On September 15 2025 03:34 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2025 02:48 KwarK wrote:On September 15 2025 02:45 oBlade wrote:On September 15 2025 01:22 KwarK wrote:
Right wing Indians generally self identify as belonging to the same tier in any racial hierarchy as whites, as essentially white. This frequently causes them to be surprised when they learn that white supremacists disagree. Gandhi famously was radicalized when, during his travel in South Africa, he learned that he wasn’t white. His understanding was that there was a two tier system with black Africans on the lower tier and Indians joining whites on the higher one. He was devastated to learn that Indians were regarded as no better than Africans.
All that to say that Kash Patel probably doesn’t know that he’s not white. Many Indians tend to assume that because they have one of the oldest civilizations, made huge contributions to maths, science, independently invented writing etc. then they get some credit for that. That because they’d do well in any logical hierarchy then they should be fine. They’re shocked when they learn that white supremacists simply don’t care. Why did white supremacists make Kash Patel the head of the FBI? Because he's extremely obedient. Are you unfamiliar with the idea of nonwhites performing labour for white supremacists? Yeah I'm familiar with slavery, unfortunately for you Kash Patel is salaried. I also don't think disobedience is a particularly sought-after trait in subordinates. I would neither hire someone for being disobedient, nor because the civilization of people who looked like them a long time ago was old and independently invented writing. In fact, I think there would be something wrong with hiring some people over others based on their ancestors' contributions to math and science and date of independent inventions of writing. Let's expand, can you tell us about your impression of the Second Lady? Does she know she's not white or would you like to remind her as well?
As a non-US person the first thing I think of when I hear Second Lady is Trump's current second lady since I have heard about First Lady but never second. (Though he is very old, so might not have a second one any longer.)
I did google it and found out Vance was married to an American woman with Indian background. Was not clear without looking further if that was native American, from the country India or from the Indian sub-continent.
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Northern Ireland27460 Posts
On September 15 2025 03:43 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2025 03:15 Vivax wrote:
Did Patel really say Charlie Kirk went to valhalla ? If we want to be precise he said that he would see Kirk in Valhalla. Seems Patel identifies as norse. He's in for a pretty big shock. It'll be like Vivek Ramaswamy all over again.
Was Vivek the one who said he respected Ann Coulter’s right to have the opinion that he shouldn’t be President because he’s of Indian extraction?
The idea that white supremacy = Edward Norton’s character in American History X (pre-redemption) or else it doesn’t exist is preposterous. There are plenty of non-white people happy to play the role of quisling, indeed some of them over-compensate so much that they become some of the absolute worst for spreading bile.
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Northern Ireland27460 Posts
On September 15 2025 02:55 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2025 02:48 WombaT wrote:On September 15 2025 02:34 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On September 11 2025 06:01 KwarK wrote:On September 11 2025 05:55 Doublemint wrote:On September 11 2025 05:39 KwarK wrote:On September 11 2025 04:07 Doublemint wrote:Charlie Kirk has been shot in Utah at an event.@dailymail onservative influencer and Turning Point CEO Charlie Kirk has reportedly been shot after gunfire rang out at an event at Utah Valley University on Wednesday.
Chaos erupted at Kirk's Q & A session and students ran for safety.
The right-wing firebrand, 31, was reportedly shot in the neck area and a suspect is in custody following the shooting. Jesus... It’s a start. to nothing good. if we remember, Trump used "Big Balls" getting beat up as a pretense to send the national guard into D.C. only god knows what nightmarish response they come up with after Kirk's death. It doesn't change a thing. They don't need a pretext. They never have. Fentanyl from Canada was used as a justification for tariffs. there were more than one kind of tariff placed on Canadian imports for more than one reason. the aluminum and steel tariffs are the "national security tariffs" which will stand even if the supreme court ends Trumps "reciprocal tariffs" and to be precise it was "the # of deaths of US citizens due to consuming fentanyl" as justification for the reciprocal tariffs. According to Lutnick once that # goes down they'll reconsider the tariffs. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/human-smuggling-b-c-u-s-soars-train-uber-foot-1.7220751Getting Canada to work diligently on securing its border was a great move by Trump. It will also benefit Canada. As the US secures the southern border outlaw orgs will try the northern border. Also, most of the hand guns in Canada are coming from the USA. So, it is in Canada's best interests to better secure their southern border. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/american-guns-gta-police-data-1.7466092https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/us-northern-border-smuggling-creates-120033467.html?guccounter=1What Canada should do is permit UK/Scotland style USA-run military bases in places like Newfoundland and then trade that concession for lower tariffs. You’re just excusing bullshit, and actions under the pretext of bullshit because there might be some silver lining, that could have been achieved with regular diplomacy in the first place. no, Justin Trudeau had 10 years to fulfill his promises. and Governor Trudeau failed to do so. Trump fucked him up... and he deserved it. By the end Trudeau was polling at 20%. "ya guys.. will get our military up to 2% of GDP by 2053 guys ... right after we get those 2 billion trees planted". and the national security tariffs are not BS. Canada has many levers it can pull in order to get the best trade deal in the world with the USA.
What levers?
It’s all bullshit Jimmy, no matter how far you jam your fingers into your ears and go ‘lalala it’s not bullshit’, it doesn’t change that.
I’m baffled how you haven’t received the memo yet.
The US aren’t playing hardball to get people into line, they’re doing that and then shafting their allies anyway.
Seemingly the only historic ally this administration doesn’t show any inclination to fuck over is Israel, which incidentally has also let Israel run rings around this administration.
It’s the most obvious thing in the world, America First = we’ll posture, we’ll pressure and we’ll pump our allies whenever we feel like it.
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On September 12 2025 22:51 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +EARHARDT: We have radicals on the right as well. How do we fix this country?
TRUMP: I'll tell you something that's gonna get me in trouble but I couldn't care less. The radicals on the right oftentimes are radical because they don't want to see crime. The radicals on the left are the problem. bsky.app
I keep returning to this as it shows the viewpoint difference so well. Right does not see crime and taking action against it as political. Order and peace just exist as immutable concepts. Thus, people can only be for it or against it. There is no avenue for criticism. When people on the left say that it is wrong to imprison people without due process. It is not a statement about how bureaucracy, government and the justice system are supposed to work. It is a statement in support of crime. On the other hand, when the right makes statements about just killing all the homeless, the statement is in support of peace, order, and justice and against crime and criminals. Thus, the statement is good.
This same idea can be applied to other areas, such as morality and ethics, in relation to statements about subjects like homosexuality and socialism.
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On September 15 2025 04:13 Legan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2025 22:51 Gorsameth wrote:EARHARDT: We have radicals on the right as well. How do we fix this country?
TRUMP: I'll tell you something that's gonna get me in trouble but I couldn't care less. The radicals on the right oftentimes are radical because they don't want to see crime. The radicals on the left are the problem. bsky.app I keep returning to this as it shows the viewpoint difference so well. Right does not see crime and taking action against it as political. Order and peace just exist as immutable concepts. Thus, people can only be for it or against it. There is no avenue for criticism. When people on the left say that it is wrong to imprison people without due process. It is not a statement about how bureaucracy, government and the justice system are supposed to work. It is a statement in support of crime. On the other hand, when the right makes statements about just killing all the homeless, the statement is in support of peace, order, and justice and against crime and criminals. Thus, the statement is good. This same idea can be applied to other areas, such as morality and ethics, in relation to statements about subjects like homosexuality and socialism.
You've over-intellectualized it. "Democrats are pro-crime" is just lowest-common-denominator lying to appeal to the half of the country that's functionally illiterate, just like accusing trans people of being pedophiles while turning a blind eye to President Epstein.
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On September 15 2025 04:16 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2025 04:13 Legan wrote:On September 12 2025 22:51 Gorsameth wrote:EARHARDT: We have radicals on the right as well. How do we fix this country?
TRUMP: I'll tell you something that's gonna get me in trouble but I couldn't care less. The radicals on the right oftentimes are radical because they don't want to see crime. The radicals on the left are the problem. bsky.app I keep returning to this as it shows the viewpoint difference so well. Right does not see crime and taking action against it as political. Order and peace just exist as immutable concepts. Thus, people can only be for it or against it. There is no avenue for criticism. When people on the left say that it is wrong to imprison people without due process. It is not a statement about how bureaucracy, government and the justice system are supposed to work. It is a statement in support of crime. On the other hand, when the right makes statements about just killing all the homeless, the statement is in support of peace, order, and justice and against crime and criminals. Thus, the statement is good. This same idea can be applied to other areas, such as morality and ethics, in relation to statements about subjects like homosexuality and socialism. You've over-intellectualized it. "Democrats are pro-crime" is just lowest-common-denominator lying to appeal to the half of the country that's functionally illiterate, just like accusing trans people of being pedophiles while turning a blind eye to President Epstein.
The legal system often doesn‘t work as people are taught it does.
There‘s often secondary interests that overshadow the primary interest that is to prevent the crossing of certain borders a society has declared illegal.
For all we know the countrys own stability is the secondary interest that takes precedence when people in power have violated the first interest. And it could be people from both parties.
A lot of the time the whole law-and-order act is a measure to give people the feeling of safety back.
The laws interest is primarily to keep the peace but it also means it can be blackmailed by those with the capacity to greatly disturb it, which might be why Epstein had to die.
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United States44354 Posts
On September 15 2025 04:01 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2025 03:43 KwarK wrote:On September 15 2025 03:15 Vivax wrote:
Did Patel really say Charlie Kirk went to valhalla ? If we want to be precise he said that he would see Kirk in Valhalla. Seems Patel identifies as norse. He's in for a pretty big shock. It'll be like Vivek Ramaswamy all over again. Was Vivek the one who said he respected Ann Coulter’s right to have the opinion that he shouldn’t be President because he’s of Indian extraction?
Not of Indian extraction, she declared that he was a Muslim and was therefore ineligible. He's not a Muslim and Muslims aren't ineligible but he's nonwhite and so she declared him Arab and therefore Muslim. It was a bit of a shock to him to learn how they see him but he has now accepted his role as their lesser.
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Northern Ireland27460 Posts
On September 15 2025 04:45 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2025 04:01 WombaT wrote:On September 15 2025 03:43 KwarK wrote:On September 15 2025 03:15 Vivax wrote:
Did Patel really say Charlie Kirk went to valhalla ? If we want to be precise he said that he would see Kirk in Valhalla. Seems Patel identifies as norse. He's in for a pretty big shock. It'll be like Vivek Ramaswamy all over again. Was Vivek the one who said he respected Ann Coulter’s right to have the opinion that he shouldn’t be President because he’s of Indian extraction? Not of Indian extraction, she declared that he was a Muslim and was therefore ineligible. He's not a Muslim and Muslims aren't ineligible but he's nonwhite and so she declared him Arab and therefore Muslim. It was a bit of a shock to him to learn how they see him but he has now accepted his role as their lesser.
I mean she didn’t do that, to my knowledge anyway. In the segment I was referring to, which I re-acquainted myself with she didn’t sidestep into Muslim chat at all, it was because he was Indian and not from the WASP tradition.
I mean it’s still 100% a case of someone being surprised that the Leopard Face Eating party ate their particular face, but I don’t think your summary is entirely accurate here.
If anything, ‘you’re Indian’ is even more damning, she’s not even bothering to couch it in ‘concerns’ about extremist Muslims. Nah, you’re brown bro, can’t vote for you.
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Several NFL teams held moments of silence and paid tribute to Charlie Kirk. I don't ever want to hear Republicans complaining about athletes kneeling or politicizing sports ever again.
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United States44354 Posts
On September 15 2025 07:20 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2025 04:45 KwarK wrote:On September 15 2025 04:01 WombaT wrote:On September 15 2025 03:43 KwarK wrote:On September 15 2025 03:15 Vivax wrote:
Did Patel really say Charlie Kirk went to valhalla ? If we want to be precise he said that he would see Kirk in Valhalla. Seems Patel identifies as norse. He's in for a pretty big shock. It'll be like Vivek Ramaswamy all over again. Was Vivek the one who said he respected Ann Coulter’s right to have the opinion that he shouldn’t be President because he’s of Indian extraction? Not of Indian extraction, she declared that he was a Muslim and was therefore ineligible. He's not a Muslim and Muslims aren't ineligible but he's nonwhite and so she declared him Arab and therefore Muslim. It was a bit of a shock to him to learn how they see him but he has now accepted his role as their lesser. I mean she didn’t do that, to my knowledge anyway. In the segment I was referring to, which I re-acquainted myself with she didn’t sidestep into Muslim chat at all, it was because he was Indian and not from the WASP tradition. I mean it’s still 100% a case of someone being surprised that the Leopard Face Eating party ate their particular face, but I don’t think your summary is entirely accurate here. If anything, ‘you’re Indian’ is even more damning, she’s not even bothering to couch it in ‘concerns’ about extremist Muslims. Nah, you’re brown bro, can’t vote for you.
Went back and checked. I misremembered, you are correct.
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On September 15 2025 11:01 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Several NFL teams held moments of silence and paid tribute to Charlie Kirk. I don't ever want to hear Republicans complaining about athletes kneeling or politicizing sports ever again.
The hypocrisy would be funny if it wasn't our world they are making worse.
It seems as if literally every single thing they complained about, they just immediately do whenever the situation is the other way around. At least i cannot think of even one single principle they have held onto.
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"Fuck your feelings!" vs "Get cancelled Libcuck for hurting my feelings".
ugly times...
to something about as ugly in case the SC - against all odds - does not side with Trump who put them there:
The US could owe $1 trillion should the Supreme Court strike down emergency tariffs
The US could be on the hook for between $750 billion $1 trillion, if the Supreme Court overturns the president's tariffs.
Legal experts told Business Insider that this figure shouldn't factor into the Supreme Court's decision on whether the tariffs are legal, which they see as a matter concerning the Constitution.
After two lower courts ruled President Donald Trump's sweeping emergency tariffs illegal, the Supreme Court granted the administration's petition to hear and expedite the case on Wednesday.
Trump's team claimed in the petition that the economic consequences would be "ruinous" for the country should the tariffs be struck down.
"For example, delaying a ruling until June 2026 could result in a scenario in which $750 billion - $1 trillion in tariffs have already been collected, and unwinding them could cause significant disruption," Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said in a filing submitted to SCOTUS earlier this month.
William Reinsch, the Scholl Chair in International Business at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, told Business Insider he expects the Supreme Court to make a final decision before the end of the year.
"My experience with the Supreme Court is that when it comes to an economic issue, they don't always break along typical ideological lines," said Reinch. "The economic stakes here are significant in addition to the foreign policy stakes."
"I don't think it'll be unanimous," Reinsch added. "But I wouldn't rule out the possibility that this is the first big case where they go against the president."
the deficit problem could even get worse, a shaky economy weakened by this tariff diletanttism. now add this, and well... who knows what will happen.
from the obvious that someone will pay for this. MAGA in all likelihood will not like who that's going to be.
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I don't know about ya'll but my social media search results (just "Charlie Kirk", nothing else) are heavily pushing every content that's defending or honoring Charlie Kirk while heavily censoring anything revealing his racism and his hatred. I can't find literally anything about the latter with neutral search terms. The bias is overwhelmingly in his favor.
Something's up.
Like, he's practically being glorified on Youtube by the search algorithm. I'm not exaggerating.
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well according to Trump Kirk was a saint and his super close personal, even legendary friend.
so you don't want to make Trump unhappy do you? would be a shame if something happened to your business, a real shame I tell ya.
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I mean just look at it, the man is devastated in case you can't tell.
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On September 15 2025 11:01 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Several NFL teams held moments of silence and paid tribute to Charlie Kirk. I don't ever want to hear Republicans complaining about athletes kneeling or politicizing sports ever again.
As consumer of US media what really surprises me is the ability of ya'll to find and hold this level of hipocracy in a business enviroment. Or better to say, how you go around "being offensive", when it hinders you to make money.
Once a topic is "hot" you "don't involve politics".
But I also can't unsee, that right-wing-chrisoto-facism and racism is "not politics" but more or less what the USA is defaulting back to 
On September 15 2025 18:08 Doublemint wrote:
I mean just look at it, the man is devastated in case you can't tell.
Unfair, there will be a beauty pageant int he White-House-Ballroom, and if it's for teenagers, Kirk's daughter might be invited by DJT personally.
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