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I should have been more clear. Both of the examples you guys cited have significant portions of the country with divergent, provably untrue perspectives.
In the age of AI and all the extra tight controls on how algorithms feed certain people certain information, I think the % of people with incorrect information regarding this whole event will be staggeringly high. I think even after the dust settles, 2 years from now, a really large % of people will believe a factually incorrect narrative.
And I say this genuinely having no idea who the shooter was or whatever political bullshit people want to attach to the shooter. But the 2 general narratives that exist right now are entirely in disagreement. I think algorithms will crystallize each side’s perspectives regardless of what is true
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Namaste, infidels.
Saying shocking things like these in public would probably be illegal here.
As for the second amendment, it wasn‘t designed for a futuristic USA with potential inner instability and a large population.
At some point it will become a problem when a gun is the first available idea for people engaging in vigilantism.
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Dang, US citizens better start planning ways to discreetly attain their antidepressants.
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On September 14 2025 09:38 Fleetfeet wrote:
Dang, US citizens better start planning ways to discreetly attain their antidepressants.
I've taken to just raw dogging reality.
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On September 14 2025 03:09 Mohdoo wrote:
This feels like it might be the first moment of alternative history. It will be interesting if we end up with a unified narrative regarding the Kirk killer or if left and right will simply each have their entirely different version of history
The 2020 election though? The right wants to retcon history and make it so that Trump only lost because of widespread voter fraud.
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On September 14 2025 07:09 Mohdoo wrote:
I should have been more clear. Both of the examples you guys cited have significant portions of the country with divergent, provably untrue perspectives.
In the age of AI and all the extra tight controls on how algorithms feed certain people certain information, I think the % of people with incorrect information regarding this whole event will be staggeringly high. I think even after the dust settles, 2 years from now, a really large % of people will believe a factually incorrect narrative.
And I say this genuinely having no idea who the shooter was or whatever political bullshit people want to attach to the shooter. But the 2 general narratives that exist right now are entirely in disagreement. I think algorithms will crystallize each side’s perspectives regardless of what is true
I would argue this already happened a couple weeks ago regarding the Catholic Church shooting in Minneapolis. In statements to the public, Kristi Noem and Kash Patel both focused on the shooter being transgender. A number of conservative figures carried on with this and blamed transgender healthcare, etc.
However, the reality is that the shooter was yet another example in a recent trend of being affiliated with online groups full of younger kids with a disturbing interest in gore and violence. I already kind of talked about this in a previous post so I won't continue saying the same thing but the shooter took a number of actions that matched recent violent events, such as writing memes on the guns as well as writing down the names of past mass shooters. They were undeniably involved with online groups that have perpetuated violence the past few years and will continue to do so - I don't know what the solution is to this but it's certainly not "oh they were transgendered so let's talk about that" when most mass shootings are committed by white males anyways and the people in these online groups have come from all kinds of countries and genders.
But yeah, this event has been really interesting, especially with all of the retractions we've seen. Today right-wing news media has made a bunch of allegations that have not been picked up by other news media - whether they are accurate or not I think we will find out soon. The furthest the NY Times has gone is posted some Discord logs of the shooter in a group he had with some high school friends where he made some jokes after the shooting but they're not political whatsoever. Reddit everywhere is a cesspool of bots adding misinformation for both sides (it's not a healthy exercise but sometimes I like to go to both the conservative subreddit and the politics one and both of them have had pretty incorrect stuff).
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I hate social media, and I think it's just another accepted addiction that is actually REALLY BAD for society and most of all kids.
But it stil isn't a Smartphone with TikTok.. but a "gun positive" household that is the breeding ground for mass shooters.
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On September 14 2025 19:27 KT_Elwood wrote:
I hate social media, and I think it's just another accepted addiction that is actually REALLY BAD for society and most of all kids.
But it stil isn't a Smartphone with TikTok.. but a "gun positive" household that is the breeding ground for mass shooters.
It doesn't have to be one or the other. People can get radicalized in many different ways, and the wrong corners of the internet are definitely a possible route.
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The "wrong corners" of the Internet is now the front page of Twitter, since Elon Musk is openly calling for violence to save the white race.
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On September 14 2025 20:56 LightSpectra wrote:
The "wrong corners" of the Internet is now the front page of Twitter, since Elon Musk is openly calling for violence to save the white race.
Ya its actually scary. The amount of crazy right wing shit being amplified on the front page of twitter when you log in or create an account is unreal. None of this stuff is healthy.
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On September 14 2025 20:56 LightSpectra wrote:
The "wrong corners" of the Internet is now the front page of Twitter, since Elon Musk is openly calling for violence to save the white race.
Maybe he‘s trying to save himself from a non-white FBI director catching up to him possibly funding extremists of his kind over the globe.
He has the means to and lost Trumps grace after all.
One can tinfoil. Sometimes I wonder if he has puppets in my surroundings too.
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Right wing Indians generally self identify as belonging to the same tier in any racial hierarchy as whites, as essentially white. This frequently causes them to be surprised when they learn that white supremacists disagree. Gandhi famously was radicalized when, during his travel in South Africa, he learned that he wasn’t white. His understanding was that there was a two tier system with black Africans on the lower tier and Indians joining whites on the higher one. He was devastated to learn that Indians were regarded as no better than Africans.
All that to say that Kash Patel probably doesn’t know that he’s not white. As an ideological conservative he has to subscribe to a hierarchy based social model in which some people are better than others. Many Indians tend to assume that because they have one of the oldest civilizations, made huge contributions to maths, science, independently invented writing etc. then they get some credit for that. That because they’d do well in any logical hierarchy then they should be fine. They’re shocked when they learn that white supremacists simply don’t care.
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On September 14 2025 07:09 Mohdoo wrote:
I should have been more clear. Both of the examples you guys cited have significant portions of the country with divergent, provably untrue perspectives.
In the age of AI and all the extra tight controls on how algorithms feed certain people certain information, I think the % of people with incorrect information regarding this whole event will be staggeringly high. I think even after the dust settles, 2 years from now, a really large % of people will believe a factually incorrect narrative.
And I say this genuinely having no idea who the shooter was or whatever political bullshit people want to attach to the shooter. But the 2 general narratives that exist right now are entirely in disagreement. I think algorithms will crystallize each side’s perspectives regardless of what is true
You're referring to the following, correct?
1. Shooter was an alt-right groyper/chud (what a time to be alive and know what these "words" mean), or
2. Shooter was an LGBTQ+/antifa activist.
I'm curious what you guys think is the real story because like many of you, I've seen a lot of loud voices proclaiming one or the other.
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Legit think social media is worse than meth at this point
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On September 15 2025 01:33 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2025 07:09 Mohdoo wrote:
I should have been more clear. Both of the examples you guys cited have significant portions of the country with divergent, provably untrue perspectives.
In the age of AI and all the extra tight controls on how algorithms feed certain people certain information, I think the % of people with incorrect information regarding this whole event will be staggeringly high. I think even after the dust settles, 2 years from now, a really large % of people will believe a factually incorrect narrative.
And I say this genuinely having no idea who the shooter was or whatever political bullshit people want to attach to the shooter. But the 2 general narratives that exist right now are entirely in disagreement. I think algorithms will crystallize each side’s perspectives regardless of what is true You're referring to the following, correct? 1. Shooter was an alt-right groyper/chud (what a time to be alive and know what these "words" mean), or 2. Shooter was an LGBTQ+/antifa activist. I'm curious what you guys think is the real story because like many of you, I've seen a lot of loud voices proclaiming one or the other.
Some kind of bot war going on from both sides (and of course Fox going with the trans angle too).
I've reduced my social media and US news intake by 90% the last week to try to stay sane but my 50 öre is that every single "extreme left" person I've meet take themself and their "cause" incredibly seriously.
Like don't joke about racism/the environment/pronouns/patriarchy or whatever.
That kind of sentiment doesn't really vibe with 4chan shitposter at all which this guy obviously was.
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On September 15 2025 01:33 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2025 07:09 Mohdoo wrote:
I should have been more clear. Both of the examples you guys cited have significant portions of the country with divergent, provably untrue perspectives.
In the age of AI and all the extra tight controls on how algorithms feed certain people certain information, I think the % of people with incorrect information regarding this whole event will be staggeringly high. I think even after the dust settles, 2 years from now, a really large % of people will believe a factually incorrect narrative.
And I say this genuinely having no idea who the shooter was or whatever political bullshit people want to attach to the shooter. But the 2 general narratives that exist right now are entirely in disagreement. I think algorithms will crystallize each side’s perspectives regardless of what is true You're referring to the following, correct? 1. Shooter was an alt-right groyper/chud (what a time to be alive and know what these "words" mean), or 2. Shooter was an LGBTQ+/antifa activist. I'm curious what you guys think is the real story because like many of you, I've seen a lot of loud voices proclaiming one or the other.
Governor Cox did a number of interviews this morning and is hinting a lot at 2, but isn't really giving any details. However, he also stated that he doesn't really do national press like this and is only doing this because the White House requested that he did, which is a little iffy because just yesterday Trump was blasting the "radical left" while excusing the "radical right". The NY Times reported that his Discord name matched a number of other accounts he had, but it's kinda weird we haven't seen any other updates come from that.
On September 15 2025 01:44 Shinokuki wrote:
Legit think social media is worse than meth at this point
Here's a personal anecdote: I still use Facebook to keep in contact with certain friends and family (questionable decision, I know). Earlier this year I went through the end of a relationship and read a lot about attachment theory and such, which is certainly not political or against any gender in any way. Every time I hopped on Facebook, my feed had immediately devolved into incel "Women are bad and only want money and will cheat on you" type stuff. Like it was instant and extremely hateful, and what's worse is it's the default. You have to go out of your way to only see a feed that consists only of your friends' posts. I think anyone here is tech-savvy enough since we all probably grew up on StarCraft and are posting on a forum created solely for it, but unfortunately most people are just incapable of understanding the algorithms in place being weaponized against them.
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On September 15 2025 01:33 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2025 07:09 Mohdoo wrote:
I should have been more clear. Both of the examples you guys cited have significant portions of the country with divergent, provably untrue perspectives.
In the age of AI and all the extra tight controls on how algorithms feed certain people certain information, I think the % of people with incorrect information regarding this whole event will be staggeringly high. I think even after the dust settles, 2 years from now, a really large % of people will believe a factually incorrect narrative.
And I say this genuinely having no idea who the shooter was or whatever political bullshit people want to attach to the shooter. But the 2 general narratives that exist right now are entirely in disagreement. I think algorithms will crystallize each side’s perspectives regardless of what is true You're referring to the following, correct? 1. Shooter was an alt-right groyper/chud (what a time to be alive and know what these "words" mean), or 2. Shooter was an LGBTQ+/antifa activist. I'm curious what you guys think is the real story because like many of you, I've seen a lot of loud voices proclaiming one or the other.
I’m saying:
1: The way AI garbage can overwhelm search results
And,
2: The way social media can overwhelm algorithms with bots
It’s possible the evidence/information will be so muddied within 1 year it will be mostly impossible to build a cohesive narrative that can convince people.
Through what mechanism would someone find and verify physical evidence?
Through what mechanism would they summarize that information and distribute that information?
Through what mechanism would people find and consume the evidence you have summarized and distributed?
That’s a lot of steps that are easy to destroy or muddy to the point of ineffectiveness. This might end up being a moment where we genuinely can’t share information. It’s chilling to think about.
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On September 11 2025 06:01 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2025 05:55 Doublemint wrote:On September 11 2025 05:39 KwarK wrote:On September 11 2025 04:07 Doublemint wrote:Charlie Kirk has been shot in Utah at an event.@dailymail onservative influencer and Turning Point CEO Charlie Kirk has reportedly been shot after gunfire rang out at an event at Utah Valley University on Wednesday.
Chaos erupted at Kirk's Q & A session and students ran for safety.
The right-wing firebrand, 31, was reportedly shot in the neck area and a suspect is in custody following the shooting. Jesus... It’s a start. to nothing good. if we remember, Trump used "Big Balls" getting beat up as a pretense to send the national guard into D.C. only god knows what nightmarish response they come up with after Kirk's death. It doesn't change a thing. They don't need a pretext. They never have. Fentanyl from Canada was used as a justification for tariffs.
there were more than one kind of tariff placed on Canadian imports for more than one reason.
the aluminum and steel tariffs are the "national security tariffs" which will stand even if the supreme court ends Trumps "reciprocal tariffs"
and to be precise it was "the # of deaths of US citizens due to consuming fentanyl" as justification for the reciprocal tariffs. According to Lutnick once that # goes down they'll reconsider the tariffs.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/human-smuggling-b-c-u-s-soars-train-uber-foot-1.7220751
Getting Canada to work diligently on securing its border was a great move by Trump. It will also benefit Canada.
As the US secures the southern border outlaw orgs will try the northern border. Also, most of the hand guns in Canada are coming from the USA. So, it is in Canada's best interests to better secure their southern border.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/american-guns-gta-police-data-1.7466092
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/us-northern-border-smuggling-creates-120033467.html?guccounter=1
What Canada should do is permit UK/Scotland style USA-run military bases in places like Newfoundland and then trade that concession for lower tariffs. And, to all Canadians have a fun Terry Fox Run today.
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On September 15 2025 01:22 KwarK wrote:
Right wing Indians generally self identify as belonging to the same tier in any racial hierarchy as whites, as essentially white. This frequently causes them to be surprised when they learn that white supremacists disagree. Gandhi famously was radicalized when, during his travel in South Africa, he learned that he wasn’t white. His understanding was that there was a two tier system with black Africans on the lower tier and Indians joining whites on the higher one. He was devastated to learn that Indians were regarded as no better than Africans.
All that to say that Kash Patel probably doesn’t know that he’s not white. Many Indians tend to assume that because they have one of the oldest civilizations, made huge contributions to maths, science, independently invented writing etc. then they get some credit for that. That because they’d do well in any logical hierarchy then they should be fine. They’re shocked when they learn that white supremacists simply don’t care.
Why did white supremacists make Kash Patel the head of the FBI?
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On September 15 2025 02:45 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2025 01:22 KwarK wrote:
Right wing Indians generally self identify as belonging to the same tier in any racial hierarchy as whites, as essentially white. This frequently causes them to be surprised when they learn that white supremacists disagree. Gandhi famously was radicalized when, during his travel in South Africa, he learned that he wasn’t white. His understanding was that there was a two tier system with black Africans on the lower tier and Indians joining whites on the higher one. He was devastated to learn that Indians were regarded as no better than Africans.
All that to say that Kash Patel probably doesn’t know that he’s not white. Many Indians tend to assume that because they have one of the oldest civilizations, made huge contributions to maths, science, independently invented writing etc. then they get some credit for that. That because they’d do well in any logical hierarchy then they should be fine. They’re shocked when they learn that white supremacists simply don’t care. Why did white supremacists make Kash Patel the head of the FBI?
Because he's extremely obedient. Are you unfamiliar with the idea of nonwhites performing labour for white supremacists?
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