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On September 16 2025 00:40 Jankisa wrote:
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On September 15 2025 23:08 Razyda wrote:
So as you can see I dont agree with him on everything, and somehow dont think he deserved getting murdered.


Again, you are doing your favorite thing, putting words in people's mouths.

I don't, and have never said he deserved to be murdered.

I, unlike him, am very much against any kind of executions (yes, including Trump, Miller, Hitler, Pol Pot etc.) because it is my strong belief that killing someone makes the person and the system that commit this, no matter how just worse for it.

I don't even think CK should have been silenced or jailed, I think he was expressing his opinions which is his right, even tho I believe that those opinions and especially the way he espoused them and in support of what made him a huge piece of shit.

None of that means that him being assassinated makes pointing these things out wrong, in poor taste or whatever moniker you guys want to assign to it.


Fair point, my last sentence was more of saying what I think, rather than reference to your post. For what is worth I dont think of him as PoS either.

On September 16 2025 00:19 WombaT wrote:
I will note that any time there’s talk about trying to regulate social media so it’s not a hate-filled, misinformational cesspit, be it from the left or from those of a more centrist persuasion, there’s gigantic pushback on the very idea itself. People should be free to be be arseholes if they want to be arseholes.

Then if folks from the left are complete arseholes that advocacy seems to just dissipate entirely. Here comes the pearl clutching!

Pick a lane like.

I’ll also add that there’s a world of difference between advocating for violence, and being ok with someone snuffing it. It’s completely possible to not wish x individual gets assassinated, but think their passing is for the greater benefit of society. Or, have sympathy with their nearest and dearest, while still thinking that person, being a net negative to society being gone is a net win. These aren’t conflicting things.

Rush Limbaugh who died after a lifetime of hate (albeit, mild by 2025 standards), of lung cancer, after taking money from tobacco companies and spreading bullshit on their behalf? I can’t laugh at that either?

Fucking snowflakes man…


Oh please Wombat it is not about it and you know it. People absolutely have the right to celebrate someone getting murdered, as it happens I also have the right to say what I think about it.

On September 16 2025 00:10 LightSpectra wrote:
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MLK jr - depends what you believe, dude did some good things and allegedly some bad too. If he indeed witnessed and encouraged rape, then yeah that would make him pretty awful. I dont know if thats the case, but if someone believed it, then statement like this would be fully justified.


This was based on a claim made by conservative David Garrow that basically every scholar across the political spectrum has spoken out against.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/08/martin-luther-king-david-garrow-essay-claims

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Garrow#Life_and_career

Besides, Charlie Kirk supported Donald Trump for President despite the latter being an adjudicated rapist. I wonder what the difference is?

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- do you think that countries should be Christian theocracies - no, but I dont see what is hateful about it, and it is definitely not a nazi position.


It was literally the Nazi position.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_Christianity

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Also Islamic theocracies exist, what so much worse about christianity that wanting one makes you hateful or PoS?


Ah yes, because everyone across the political spectrum in the USA is very happy with and supportive of what Iran is like. I'm reminded of a tweet by some Trump supporter that said (paraphrased) "Wait a minute, the Taliban was against abortion and vaccines? Maybe we were on the wrong side the entire time..."

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- that the "Great replacement theory" is true? I mean in the literal way CK did, a cabal of globalists (an anti-Semitic dog whistle) is trying to replace white people with Mexicans, Muslims, Blacks etc.?

Dont think it is some cabal, it seems to be happening organically if you look at birth rates.


This is, again, a literally Neo-Nazi conspiracy theory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement_conspiracy_theory#White_genocide_conspiracy_theory


He believed in god, how am i supposed to know what else he believed? You have US in your profile, you could have gone and ask him that.

Not it wasnt nazi position like wtf you talking about. Even in wikipedia article you linked:

"Leading Nazis like Heinrich Himmler, Alfred Rosenberg, Martin Bormann, and Joseph Goebbels, backed by Hitler, were hostile to Christianity and ultimately planned to de-Christianise Germany"

Your Iran question have nothing to do with what I said and I dont know if what I said reflect conservatives position, it was my own musings on the topic.

Dude birth rates are not conspiracy theory, also I dare say that given unlimited time everyone will end up mixed race and there is nothing wrong with that.

On September 15 2025 23:24 Magic Powers wrote:
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- would you force your 10 year old female child that was raped carry the pregnancy to term? I honestly dont know


My good sir, there is one correct answer and one correct answer only. You should literally never force any rape victim to carry. Ever. And especially not your own daughter.

"I honestly don't know" tells me either one of two things: you refuse to think about it, in which case I advise you to start thinking now and come to the correct conclusion quickly. Or it tells me you are in fact willing to force your own daughter to carry. Just willingness alone, in my book, strictly disqualifies you from fatherhood. Unfortunately I don't have a say in that, but I hope you'll never be in a position to make such a decision because clearly you're willing to make a very evil choice.

And you have the gall to call anybody monsters? You can't be serious.


This is pure comedy, I will respond in kind. You should never force women to abortion, it is disgusting that you think you have the right to do so.

On September 15 2025 23:26 Magic Powers wrote:
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On September 15 2025 23:23 Razyda wrote:
On September 15 2025 20:50 Magic Powers wrote:
On September 15 2025 20:29 Razyda wrote:
On September 12 2025 16:32 Magic Powers wrote:
On September 12 2025 10:38 Razyda wrote:
On September 12 2025 07:44 Magic Powers wrote:
On September 12 2025 05:11 G5 wrote:
On September 12 2025 00:32 ThunderJunk wrote:
Honestly... I don't feel even a little sad about Kirk's murder.
He was a morally grandstanding rage baiter who accrued a net worth of 12 million dollars by "DESTROYING" dumb college kids publicly. He was also intellectually dishonest. His entire life's thesis supposedly revolved around his faith in scripture and the basic protestant brand of Christianity, but when confronted with the simple reality that, in fact, the King James bible is necessarily a linguistically ambiguous translation through the British lens of the original language the bible was written in - which would by his own definition be the most technically holy type of scripture, and therefore not as a reliable source of what is right and good as he maintained.. he just ignored the point, pressed forward with his views, and never took that fundamental problem with his conceptual framework seriously - nor would he ever.

I have a problem with people who claim to be fighters for truth who refuse to look at their own beliefs critically when confronted with evidence contrary to what makes them rich and powerful. That, to my mind, is fundamentally evil.

Also... And this is more of a petty point - but still completely fair: He was a staunch advocate from the right to bear arms. So, this way of getting killed was pretty poetically satisfying.

If freedom of speech is truly at issue here - I'll maintain the right to express that I think whoever killed Charlie did humanity a big favor.


This type of thinking is so dumb. To think murdering someone for voicing his opinions is doing humanity a favor is so backwards, I don't know where to even start.

You have lost the entire point of what humanity is. If this guy was truly a threat to you and your ideology so much, you should take a hard look as to why he was connecting with so many people and question your own ideology. Taking an intellectual debate to the level of violence is an intellectually cowardly way of debating and everyone loses in that scenario. You can have your opinions but imo you are despicable for having those beliefs. You've let group think and tribalism ruin a beautiful part of your humanity and I hope you get it back some day.

Charlie Kirk was a partisan political commentator, political fund raiser, and political influencer. He was a family man and most people described him as a very nice guy. He had strong opinions and even though I'm on the complete opposite side of him, I respected his courage to put himself and his beliefs out there.

No person deserves to be killed for speech. No one.

Say what you want about his beliefs and opinions but if you're cheering this murder, you're a disgusting human being who completely misses the point of humanity.


It's hard to argue with people who think that Charlie Kirk has lost his humanity and has brought many thousands if not millions of other people much closer to losing their humanity as well. You know, at some point you have to ask yourself whether free speech is really this holy relic that should be worshipped until everything breaks. Should it, really?

There's a reason why speech is not actually free. Not even in the free land of the free, the most freedom loving of all the free countries in the history of freedom. This idea that speech can't destroy a nation is, well... I'd call it naive at best.

I won't say Kirk's death was justified. But it's hard to argue that he didn't have some really bad shit coming his way. It shouldn't have been death, but something had to happen. The guy was on a quest to destroy America.



See free speech actually should be free. If you think otherwise you are just misguided. Why would you be against it? What happened to Kirk is very result of believing that he shouldn't be allowed to say what he was saying. Mind I dont think anyone should be banned for expressing their opinion on this murder. I am actually glad that given opportunity to show their true colours, people will do just that.
You see I used to like you. I did considered your ideas idiotic, but overall it seemed like they were coming from the good place. Now I see there never was a good place.

As for everyone else cheering for this murder: line which shouldn't have been crossed was crossed, enjoy and bear the consequences. Might be worth to remember that right wing people actually went to capitol on January 6, didnt limit themselves to posting mean posts on internet.


Bruh, you never liked me. You may've liked my political views because they weren't so disaligned with yours at the time. Or at least you thought.
I will still defend free speech. The way it's done in my country is that you can say literally anything that's not a call to violence or a death threat or something like that.You're even allowed to question the number of Jews killed in the Holocaust. What you're not allowed to do is question the Holocaust without evidence. In America you don't need a shred of evidence. Our way is better, and America's way is worse. This is simply a matter of fact.
So I will not defend absolute free speech. I've outgrown that phase years ago.


I genuinely did. I found your arguments wanting, but they seemed to be coming from the things like compassion.
Here however you picked a side of the people posting shit like this (purposedly put link instead of image, this shit is sickening):

https://x.com/truckdriverpleb/status/1966647017016324289/photo/2

I dont think you can be accused of having any sort of compassion any more.

On September 15 2025 17:21 Magic Powers wrote:
I don't know about ya'll but my social media search results (just "Charlie Kirk", nothing else) are heavily pushing every content that's defending or honoring Charlie Kirk while heavily censoring anything revealing his racism and his hatred. I can't find literally anything about the latter with neutral search terms. The bias is overwhelmingly in his favor.

Something's up.

Like, he's practically being glorified on Youtube by the search algorithm. I'm not exaggerating.


Maybe, just maybe, all you knew about they guy came from places like this one, or reddit, but you never bothered to check?



I've never said Kirk deserved death, I've said the literal opposite. You're imagining things. Get back to reality.


I didnt state that you said he deserved death. It is more of a reference to how utterly devastated you were by his murder...

On September 11 2025 06:20 Magic Powers wrote:
Guns may not save lives, but they did save my day.




Oh no, I didn't fall to the ground in tears. Cry me a river. Kirk didn't deserve death, but he did deserve to be shut up for good one way or another, other than through death. Unfortunately he chose not to shut up and someone else decided for him that his time on this planet was over.

You are not in a position to judge me.


So the only thing which prevents you from saving the US is 8th amendment. Why I am not surprised.

And of course I am in position to judge you, everyone you ever met is making judgements about you. And so do you.
LightSpectra
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Last Edited: 2025-09-15 16:44:28
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#104583
He believed in god, how am i supposed to know what else he believed? You have US in your profile, you could have gone and ask him that.


I'll give you a hint. Donald Trump is really racist. MLK Jr. was opposed to racism and made terminating racial segregation his most important life mission. That's why the former can be a proven-in-court-rapist President, but even an unsubstantiated accusation of rape against the latter is all Kirk needed. You see, Kirk wasn't actually against rape at all, he was against racial equality.

Not it wasnt nazi position like wtf you talking about. Even in wikipedia article you linked:

"Leading Nazis like Heinrich Himmler, Alfred Rosenberg, Martin Bormann, and Joseph Goebbels, backed by Hitler, were hostile to Christianity and ultimately planned to de-Christianise Germany"


Perhaps you should attempt to read the entire article instead of cherrypicking a single line. For example, from the first paragraph:

"Positive Christianity (German: positives Christentum) was a religious movement within Nazi Germany which promoted the belief that the racial purity of the German people should be maintained by mixing racialistic Nazi ideology with either fundamental or significant elements of Nicene Christianity. Adolf Hitler used the term in point 24[a] of the 1920 Nazi Party Platform, stating: "the Party as such represents the viewpoint of Positive Christianity without binding itself to any particular denomination".[3]"

If you want to say "that's not real Christianity," then I agree, which is why I don't agree with calling Kirk a Christian either for advocating what is essentially the same thing in the USA.

Your Iran question have nothing to do with what I said and I dont know if what I said reflect conservatives position, it was my own musings on the topic.


Sick backtrack bro

Dude birth rates are not conspiracy theory, also I dare say that given unlimited time everyone will end up mixed race and there is nothing wrong with that.


Kirk thought there was, hence why he was almost verbatim repeating the arguments of Neo-Nazi David Lane.
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