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On August 16 2025 10:48 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2025 10:12 Razyda wrote:On August 16 2025 09:00 WombaT wrote:On August 16 2025 07:13 Razyda wrote:On August 16 2025 02:20 WombaT wrote:On August 15 2025 11:34 Razyda wrote:On August 15 2025 11:17 LightSpectra wrote:On August 15 2025 10:34 Razyda wrote:On August 15 2025 10:23 LightSpectra wrote:On August 15 2025 09:43 Razyda wrote:
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Out of curiosity - what is your opinion on SC granting Trump immunity? Absurd when you compare the two. An MEP's immunity can be waived if they're caught in the act of committing a crime, or if a committee in the European Parliament finds that an indictment against them isn't blatantly politically motivated. Neither of these apply to POTUS. He can commit a crime, cover it up on live television, and no federal prosecutor can do a damn thing about it. You mean, like impeached??? How did that go? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2x7gzdr01o"landmark victory for transparency in the EU" https://www.politico.eu/article/commission-reviewed-von-der-leyens-pfizergate-texts-then-let-them-disappear/"The European Commission reviewed texts sent between Commission President Ursula von der Leyen and Pfizer’s chief executive officer and sought by journalists at the height of the pandemic — and allowed them to be lost." I'm sorry, were you under the impression that being less corrupt than the USA implies the EU is perfect? Dude you are literally the one who start comparison... On August 15 2025 11:21 WombaT wrote:On August 15 2025 11:13 Razyda wrote:On August 15 2025 10:56 WombaT wrote:On August 15 2025 10:44 Razyda wrote:
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Dude it was Kwark who said that...
Sorry I forgot the thread rule that Kwark and I can’t have the same position on something. Indeed I had the page loaded on an old state for like an hour and responded to what I saw at the time when I got off work. Turns out Kwark beat me to the punch! I mean by all means tell me about how right wing politics are great as a counter Honestly? I am guilty of a lot of that myself. However with the rest of that post... just say I was meaning to post that. Disclaimer ( I dont think you and Kwark are the same person). On the other side of things: do you really have audacity to claim others arguing in bad faith, when you do that? You know whats funny? That somehow I expected from both you and Kwark to do better (like you know, valid argument, or such) I mean, at the very least you can quote me out of context, To be snide: we all know thats all left have  . On August 15 2025 09:59 Razyda wrote:On August 15 2025 09:49 WombaT wrote:On August 15 2025 02:11 Billyboy wrote:
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I'm not a big supporter of the horse shoe theory myself. It has big issues of over simplification and ignores a lot of nuance. About the only part I agree with is that once you get way out to the extreme's they start to look and sound a lot alike. I would probably have the political spectrum more like a stick and a blob with the blob being the extremes. I don't think leftists and far right people have much in common at all, and much less then people in the center.
I think this has to do with the rejection of moderation, populism, a complete lack of trust in institutions and information. Once you believe that everything your hearing is a lie you have to believe in something and often this faith gets placed in demagogue style leaders who are up against a they or them of some sort (branded very different left or right). Some of these people are not even traditional political leaders but rather "influencers" who can then use this distrust in MSM and the general narrative for their own gains. Many have figured out how to brand their message to both extreme groups without reinventing the wheel.
You can go really far left and not do this, but it takes some hard work in critically analyzing your sources and all the information you take in, and it is a lot of heavy lifting. But if someone gets to the point where they believe no way China is perpetuating a cultural genocide because they are "socialists", in spite of the mountains of evidence even within the government documents. Or believes billionaire drug lord Maduro is actually fighting capitalists. Or that Andrew Tate is actually a good guy and all the bad stuff is made up by globalists. Or what Trump says today is for sure true even if it completely contradicts the completely true thing he said last week. You have left the traditional spectrum and entered this blob of extremism that is very similar, but with different branding. These figures can openly not follow the tenants and morals of their side and still be loved and trusted with a kind of zealously that allows them to manipulate basically any situation by blaming it on the nebulous group controlling things behind the scenes. That can be the capitalists, globalists, jews, deep state and so on.
The extra complicated part is these people are not completely wrong, we are getting misinformation even from trusted sources. Science is not always right, and there is truth to the old, he who paid the piper picks the tune. It is not surprising why so many people have turned to alternative sources of information when the traditional ones keep fucking up and straight up lying. The problem is these alternative sources are often worse, completely unchecked and there is tons of money and power in it. IT is easy to see these folks on the other side and much harder to see them on your side. Which is natural, but they do exist and it is important to recognize that and call them out. More important on your own side because they negatively effect your sides entire credibility. Fair, you make a lot of good points here! He literally didnt make a single point there. All he said is right bad, left not bad. Right stupid, left smart. I don’t think this is especially inaccurate. In the current epoch the right wing is neither particularly morally good, nor is it particularly smart. There have been prior periods where it maybe wasn’t especially moral, but at least was smart. I mean you might not like that assessment, but it is my assessment. Okay, now can you please honestly voice your opinion about what right thinks of the left? Way I see it: left is essentially speedrunning nick fuentes for president. Ok I was overly flippant before, I don’t think the right have no legitimate points or worldviews But what are the left doing that’s so bad that Nick Fuentes (or whoever comparable) is the better alternative in your hypothetical. Unlike other figures, I’d imagine saying Nick Fuentes is far right isn’t controversial, we can possibly all agree on that I assume! Obviously I’m generalising but ‘I wouldn’t vote/support the far right, but the establishment/the left are forcing me into a corner where I do’ isn’t an uncommon claim. However, if one is making such a claim, one does have to answer the question of what is so unpalatable about what those wings are doing, that you consider the far right the lesser evil? Not you personally, from your posting history I don’t think you’re talking about your own politics, but you perceive the left as pushing others to the far right I used Fuentes figuratively i forgot to add "someone like" before, and yes he is far right. Now I dont consider him lesser evil, I think that him, or someone like him coming into power is inevitable. This is not only US issue, same thing is going to happen in Europe. See what is happening is that left antagonized men with all the toxic masculinity, we dont need men, men have to change, men have to do better, I wont date anyone who doesnt make 6 figures, and so on. Admittedly not all the left, but thats what social media is for - selection bias. Right theoretically got it right: you are perfectly fine as you are, work on yourself, be provider for your family. Provider? like how? Can someone living in the US, let me know if guy on minimal wage or even average is able to buy a house and provide for his stay at home wife and few kids? I suspect not. And nothing Trump will do can change that. Yes deporting illegal immigrants will help, but it will help few from a lot. Now older men who have their life sorted dont exactly give a damn, as they are not affected that much. That leaves what? Young men, also called military age men and for a good reason, reason being that they are most dangerous creatures on the planet. Left hate them, right didnt really help them, so they will find someone else. Seen the Hesgeth tweet about church I posted few pages ago? This church will get massive. Doesnt Fuentes make people swear they will kill for him? He recently ratioed Musk on twitter. It is the very same mechanic every criminal organization used forever. The only people who think modern women don’t date people who don’t make six figures are either delusional, or so incompetent with women that they could make 7 figures and still be single. But yes, especially in young men there is something of a ‘crisis in masculinity’, and changing standards. I’d concede probably a rather confusing time for many folks in the generations proceeding mine. There’s sometimes a disconnect between what you’re being told to do and how to behave, and how it goes when you do behave thus. I think it’s silly to pretend this isn’t a thing, nor that some react badly, or feel the ‘left’ hate them (even though I think they’re massively wrong there). On the flipside, going back to my ‘why pick the alternative?’, people who gravitate to the far right on such topics are just abandoning attempts to have a more equal, less sexually violent society (with the growing pains that sometimes entails) for some fantasy where they have a subservient stay at home waifu. I had full post written down, but decided against it, because you clearly dont understand the issue. It doesnt matter whether they are right, or wrong, correct, or mistaken. It has literally 0 relevance to what I said. Only thing that matters is whether they are happy or not. If they are not, well you are f....ed.To reiterate my point: On August 16 2025 07:13 Razyda wrote:
See what is happening is that left antagonized men with all the toxic masculinity, we dont need men, men have to change, men have to do better, I wont date anyone who doesnt make 6 figures, and so on
"people who gravitate to the far right on such topics are just abandoning attempts to have a more equal, less sexually violent society" They wont care, of course they will abandon it, and create one where they are the kings, how is that even a question? They will do it, simply because they can. You are basically agreeing with me here. My contention is that people gravitate to far right politics, because they like far right politics. And not because they’re disenfranchised by the left, or the centre. You said it, not me: Show nested quote +They wont care, of course they will abandon it, and create one where they are the kings They don’t wanna live in an egalitarian, harmonious society, they want to be the kings, no matter how unearned that desire is. This isn’t a failure of left wing politics, such a thing is antithetical to left wing politics. One can say left wing politics has failed to deliver the egalitarian ideal, sure, but the one thing it’s never going to deliver is what people who gravitate to the far right want, and it never will. Left wing politics is not going to demonise foreigners for your benefit, or go against female emancipation, it’s not going to happen.
In a way I am agreeing with you. Issue is that you you dont seem to grasp what I am saying. Right/Left doesnt matter. Only difference is whether Stalin or Hitler shows up first.
"My contention is that people gravitate to far right politics, because they like far right politics. And not because they’re disenfranchised by the left, or the centre. " They gravitate to right, because left doesnt offer them anything, right pretend to do so.
"They don’t wanna live in an egalitarian, harmonious society, they want to be the kings, no matter how unearned that desire is." - I think this is the part you dont understand. It doesnt have to be earned, it merely have to be enforced.
"One can say left wing politics has failed to deliver the egalitarian ideal, sure, but the one thing it’s never going to deliver is what people who gravitate to the far right want, and it never will.
Left wing politics is not going to demonise foreigners for your benefit, or go against female emancipation, it’s not going to happen."
And how is the left wing politics doing? Where does the vote of young males go?
Issue left has is that by creating opportunities to everyone, but young men, it effectively excludes young men.
I think, that my point you seem to be missing, is that there is loads of unclaimed soldiers, eventually someone is going to claim them, doesnt matter if someone is left or right, only thing that matters is putting them first.
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On August 16 2025 11:30 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2025 10:48 WombaT wrote:On August 16 2025 10:12 Razyda wrote:On August 16 2025 09:00 WombaT wrote:On August 16 2025 07:13 Razyda wrote:On August 16 2025 02:20 WombaT wrote:On August 15 2025 11:34 Razyda wrote:On August 15 2025 11:17 LightSpectra wrote:On August 15 2025 10:34 Razyda wrote:On August 15 2025 10:23 LightSpectra wrote:
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Absurd when you compare the two. An MEP's immunity can be waived if they're caught in the act of committing a crime, or if a committee in the European Parliament finds that an indictment against them isn't blatantly politically motivated. Neither of these apply to POTUS. He can commit a crime, cover it up on live television, and no federal prosecutor can do a damn thing about it. You mean, like impeached??? How did that go? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2x7gzdr01o"landmark victory for transparency in the EU" https://www.politico.eu/article/commission-reviewed-von-der-leyens-pfizergate-texts-then-let-them-disappear/"The European Commission reviewed texts sent between Commission President Ursula von der Leyen and Pfizer’s chief executive officer and sought by journalists at the height of the pandemic — and allowed them to be lost." I'm sorry, were you under the impression that being less corrupt than the USA implies the EU is perfect? Dude you are literally the one who start comparison... On August 15 2025 11:21 WombaT wrote:On August 15 2025 11:13 Razyda wrote:On August 15 2025 10:56 WombaT wrote:
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Sorry I forgot the thread rule that Kwark and I can’t have the same position on something.
Indeed I had the page loaded on an old state for like an hour and responded to what I saw at the time when I got off work.
Turns out Kwark beat me to the punch!
I mean by all means tell me about how right wing politics are great as a counter Honestly? I am guilty of a lot of that myself. However with the rest of that post... just say I was meaning to post that. Disclaimer ( I dont think you and Kwark are the same person). On the other side of things: do you really have audacity to claim others arguing in bad faith, when you do that? You know whats funny? That somehow I expected from both you and Kwark to do better (like you know, valid argument, or such) I mean, at the very least you can quote me out of context, To be snide: we all know thats all left have . On August 15 2025 09:59 Razyda wrote:On August 15 2025 09:49 WombaT wrote:
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Fair, you make a lot of good points here! He literally didnt make a single point there. All he said is right bad, left not bad. Right stupid, left smart. I don’t think this is especially inaccurate. In the current epoch the right wing is neither particularly morally good, nor is it particularly smart. There have been prior periods where it maybe wasn’t especially moral, but at least was smart. I mean you might not like that assessment, but it is my assessment. Okay, now can you please honestly voice your opinion about what right thinks of the left? Way I see it: left is essentially speedrunning nick fuentes for president. Ok I was overly flippant before, I don’t think the right have no legitimate points or worldviews But what are the left doing that’s so bad that Nick Fuentes (or whoever comparable) is the better alternative in your hypothetical. Unlike other figures, I’d imagine saying Nick Fuentes is far right isn’t controversial, we can possibly all agree on that I assume! Obviously I’m generalising but ‘I wouldn’t vote/support the far right, but the establishment/the left are forcing me into a corner where I do’ isn’t an uncommon claim. However, if one is making such a claim, one does have to answer the question of what is so unpalatable about what those wings are doing, that you consider the far right the lesser evil? Not you personally, from your posting history I don’t think you’re talking about your own politics, but you perceive the left as pushing others to the far right I used Fuentes figuratively i forgot to add "someone like" before, and yes he is far right. Now I dont consider him lesser evil, I think that him, or someone like him coming into power is inevitable. This is not only US issue, same thing is going to happen in Europe. See what is happening is that left antagonized men with all the toxic masculinity, we dont need men, men have to change, men have to do better, I wont date anyone who doesnt make 6 figures, and so on. Admittedly not all the left, but thats what social media is for - selection bias. Right theoretically got it right: you are perfectly fine as you are, work on yourself, be provider for your family. Provider? like how? Can someone living in the US, let me know if guy on minimal wage or even average is able to buy a house and provide for his stay at home wife and few kids? I suspect not. And nothing Trump will do can change that. Yes deporting illegal immigrants will help, but it will help few from a lot. Now older men who have their life sorted dont exactly give a damn, as they are not affected that much. That leaves what? Young men, also called military age men and for a good reason, reason being that they are most dangerous creatures on the planet. Left hate them, right didnt really help them, so they will find someone else. Seen the Hesgeth tweet about church I posted few pages ago? This church will get massive. Doesnt Fuentes make people swear they will kill for him? He recently ratioed Musk on twitter. It is the very same mechanic every criminal organization used forever. The only people who think modern women don’t date people who don’t make six figures are either delusional, or so incompetent with women that they could make 7 figures and still be single. But yes, especially in young men there is something of a ‘crisis in masculinity’, and changing standards. I’d concede probably a rather confusing time for many folks in the generations proceeding mine. There’s sometimes a disconnect between what you’re being told to do and how to behave, and how it goes when you do behave thus. I think it’s silly to pretend this isn’t a thing, nor that some react badly, or feel the ‘left’ hate them (even though I think they’re massively wrong there). On the flipside, going back to my ‘why pick the alternative?’, people who gravitate to the far right on such topics are just abandoning attempts to have a more equal, less sexually violent society (with the growing pains that sometimes entails) for some fantasy where they have a subservient stay at home waifu. I had full post written down, but decided against it, because you clearly dont understand the issue. It doesnt matter whether they are right, or wrong, correct, or mistaken. It has literally 0 relevance to what I said. Only thing that matters is whether they are happy or not. If they are not, well you are f....ed.To reiterate my point: On August 16 2025 07:13 Razyda wrote:
See what is happening is that left antagonized men with all the toxic masculinity, we dont need men, men have to change, men have to do better, I wont date anyone who doesnt make 6 figures, and so on
"people who gravitate to the far right on such topics are just abandoning attempts to have a more equal, less sexually violent society" They wont care, of course they will abandon it, and create one where they are the kings, how is that even a question? They will do it, simply because they can. You are basically agreeing with me here. My contention is that people gravitate to far right politics, because they like far right politics. And not because they’re disenfranchised by the left, or the centre. You said it, not me: They wont care, of course they will abandon it, and create one where they are the kings They don’t wanna live in an egalitarian, harmonious society, they want to be the kings, no matter how unearned that desire is. This isn’t a failure of left wing politics, such a thing is antithetical to left wing politics. One can say left wing politics has failed to deliver the egalitarian ideal, sure, but the one thing it’s never going to deliver is what people who gravitate to the far right want, and it never will. Left wing politics is not going to demonise foreigners for your benefit, or go against female emancipation, it’s not going to happen. In a way I am agreeing with you. Issue is that you you dont seem to grasp what I am saying. Right/Left doesnt matter. Only difference is whether Stalin or Hitler shows up first. "My contention is that people gravitate to far right politics, because they like far right politics. And not because they’re disenfranchised by the left, or the centre. " They gravitate to right, because left doesnt offer them anything, right pretend to do so. "They don’t wanna live in an egalitarian, harmonious society, they want to be the kings, no matter how unearned that desire is." - I think this is the part you dont understand. It doesnt have to be earned, it merely have to be enforced. "One can say left wing politics has failed to deliver the egalitarian ideal, sure, but the one thing it’s never going to deliver is what people who gravitate to the far right want, and it never will. Left wing politics is not going to demonise foreigners for your benefit, or go against female emancipation, it’s not going to happen." And how is the left wing politics doing? Where does the vote of young males go? Issue left has is that by creating opportunities to everyone, but young men, it effectively excludes young men. I think, that my point you seem to be missing, is that there is loads of unclaimed soldiers, eventually someone is going to claim them, doesnt matter if someone is left or right, only thing that matters is putting them first.
How do you put them first?
If some ‘unclaimed soldier’ thinks society has failed them by not giving them a pliant waifu, or that they shouldn’t have to compete with immigrants, how does left wing politics dovetail with that?
It doesn’t, people just have to deal with it.
Or not, and gravitate to whatever.
But there’s no way for the left to placate such people without well, not being left wing.
And it’s pointless to even try.
Now to clarify, I’m not talking about the left’s failings in perhaps coming to some middle ground on immigration, or gender relations or whatever.
I’m talking if you think Nick Fuentes is palatable. If you’re at that point, the left were never going to reach you no matter what they do
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On August 16 2025 12:18 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2025 11:30 Razyda wrote:On August 16 2025 10:48 WombaT wrote:On August 16 2025 10:12 Razyda wrote:On August 16 2025 09:00 WombaT wrote:On August 16 2025 07:13 Razyda wrote:On August 16 2025 02:20 WombaT wrote:On August 15 2025 11:34 Razyda wrote:On August 15 2025 11:17 LightSpectra wrote:I'm sorry, were you under the impression that being less corrupt than the USA implies the EU is perfect? Dude you are literally the one who start comparison... On August 15 2025 11:21 WombaT wrote:On August 15 2025 11:13 Razyda wrote:[quote] Honestly? I am guilty of a lot of that myself. However with the rest of that post... just say I was meaning to post that. Disclaimer ( I dont think you and Kwark are the same person). On the other side of things: do you really have audacity to claim others arguing in bad faith, when you do that? You know whats funny? That somehow I expected from both you and Kwark to do better (like you know, valid argument, or such) I mean, at the very least you can quote me out of context, To be snide: we all know thats all left have . On August 15 2025 09:59 Razyda wrote:
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He literally didnt make a single point there. All he said is right bad, left not bad. Right stupid, left smart. I don’t think this is especially inaccurate. In the current epoch the right wing is neither particularly morally good, nor is it particularly smart. There have been prior periods where it maybe wasn’t especially moral, but at least was smart. I mean you might not like that assessment, but it is my assessment. Okay, now can you please honestly voice your opinion about what right thinks of the left? Way I see it: left is essentially speedrunning nick fuentes for president. Ok I was overly flippant before, I don’t think the right have no legitimate points or worldviews But what are the left doing that’s so bad that Nick Fuentes (or whoever comparable) is the better alternative in your hypothetical. Unlike other figures, I’d imagine saying Nick Fuentes is far right isn’t controversial, we can possibly all agree on that I assume! Obviously I’m generalising but ‘I wouldn’t vote/support the far right, but the establishment/the left are forcing me into a corner where I do’ isn’t an uncommon claim. However, if one is making such a claim, one does have to answer the question of what is so unpalatable about what those wings are doing, that you consider the far right the lesser evil? Not you personally, from your posting history I don’t think you’re talking about your own politics, but you perceive the left as pushing others to the far right I used Fuentes figuratively i forgot to add "someone like" before, and yes he is far right. Now I dont consider him lesser evil, I think that him, or someone like him coming into power is inevitable. This is not only US issue, same thing is going to happen in Europe. See what is happening is that left antagonized men with all the toxic masculinity, we dont need men, men have to change, men have to do better, I wont date anyone who doesnt make 6 figures, and so on. Admittedly not all the left, but thats what social media is for - selection bias. Right theoretically got it right: you are perfectly fine as you are, work on yourself, be provider for your family. Provider? like how? Can someone living in the US, let me know if guy on minimal wage or even average is able to buy a house and provide for his stay at home wife and few kids? I suspect not. And nothing Trump will do can change that. Yes deporting illegal immigrants will help, but it will help few from a lot. Now older men who have their life sorted dont exactly give a damn, as they are not affected that much. That leaves what? Young men, also called military age men and for a good reason, reason being that they are most dangerous creatures on the planet. Left hate them, right didnt really help them, so they will find someone else. Seen the Hesgeth tweet about church I posted few pages ago? This church will get massive. Doesnt Fuentes make people swear they will kill for him? He recently ratioed Musk on twitter. It is the very same mechanic every criminal organization used forever. The only people who think modern women don’t date people who don’t make six figures are either delusional, or so incompetent with women that they could make 7 figures and still be single. But yes, especially in young men there is something of a ‘crisis in masculinity’, and changing standards. I’d concede probably a rather confusing time for many folks in the generations proceeding mine. There’s sometimes a disconnect between what you’re being told to do and how to behave, and how it goes when you do behave thus. I think it’s silly to pretend this isn’t a thing, nor that some react badly, or feel the ‘left’ hate them (even though I think they’re massively wrong there). On the flipside, going back to my ‘why pick the alternative?’, people who gravitate to the far right on such topics are just abandoning attempts to have a more equal, less sexually violent society (with the growing pains that sometimes entails) for some fantasy where they have a subservient stay at home waifu. I had full post written down, but decided against it, because you clearly dont understand the issue. It doesnt matter whether they are right, or wrong, correct, or mistaken. It has literally 0 relevance to what I said. Only thing that matters is whether they are happy or not. If they are not, well you are f....ed.To reiterate my point: On August 16 2025 07:13 Razyda wrote:
See what is happening is that left antagonized men with all the toxic masculinity, we dont need men, men have to change, men have to do better, I wont date anyone who doesnt make 6 figures, and so on
"people who gravitate to the far right on such topics are just abandoning attempts to have a more equal, less sexually violent society" They wont care, of course they will abandon it, and create one where they are the kings, how is that even a question? They will do it, simply because they can. You are basically agreeing with me here. My contention is that people gravitate to far right politics, because they like far right politics. And not because they’re disenfranchised by the left, or the centre. You said it, not me: They wont care, of course they will abandon it, and create one where they are the kings They don’t wanna live in an egalitarian, harmonious society, they want to be the kings, no matter how unearned that desire is. This isn’t a failure of left wing politics, such a thing is antithetical to left wing politics. One can say left wing politics has failed to deliver the egalitarian ideal, sure, but the one thing it’s never going to deliver is what people who gravitate to the far right want, and it never will. Left wing politics is not going to demonise foreigners for your benefit, or go against female emancipation, it’s not going to happen. In a way I am agreeing with you. Issue is that you you dont seem to grasp what I am saying. Right/Left doesnt matter. Only difference is whether Stalin or Hitler shows up first. "My contention is that people gravitate to far right politics, because they like far right politics. And not because they’re disenfranchised by the left, or the centre. " They gravitate to right, because left doesnt offer them anything, right pretend to do so. "They don’t wanna live in an egalitarian, harmonious society, they want to be the kings, no matter how unearned that desire is." - I think this is the part you dont understand. It doesnt have to be earned, it merely have to be enforced. "One can say left wing politics has failed to deliver the egalitarian ideal, sure, but the one thing it’s never going to deliver is what people who gravitate to the far right want, and it never will. Left wing politics is not going to demonise foreigners for your benefit, or go against female emancipation, it’s not going to happen." And how is the left wing politics doing? Where does the vote of young males go? Issue left has is that by creating opportunities to everyone, but young men, it effectively excludes young men. I think, that my point you seem to be missing, is that there is loads of unclaimed soldiers, eventually someone is going to claim them, doesnt matter if someone is left or right, only thing that matters is putting them first. How do you put them first? If some ‘unclaimed soldier’ thinks society has failed them by not giving them a pliant waifu, or that they shouldn’t have to compete with immigrants, how does left wing politics dovetail with that? It doesn’t, people just have to deal with it. Or not, and gravitate to whatever. But there’s no way for the left to placate such people without well, not being left wing. And it’s pointless to even try. Now to clarify, I’m not talking about the left’s failings in perhaps coming to some middle ground on immigration, or gender relations or whatever. I’m talking if you think Nick Fuentes is palatable. If you’re at that point, the left were never going to reach you no matter what they do
Okay your post makes it easy to clarify. ( I hope)
On August 16 2025 12:18 WombaT wrote:
It doesn’t, people just have to deal with it.
My entire post explains that they dont.
On August 16 2025 12:18 WombaT wrote:
But there’s no way for the left to placate such people without well, not being left wing.
And it’s pointless to even try.
Which is pretty much what I said.
On August 16 2025 12:18 WombaT wrote:
I’m talking if you think Nick Fuentes is palatable. If you’re at that point, the left were never going to reach you no matter what they do
He isn't. I said he is "inevitable" this is different thing. Personally I think that the person coming will make Fuentes look like someone between Jesus and Mother Theresa.
Wombat I am not telling you that you get to judge angry mob, I am telling you that if you dont join angry mob, you will understand how Marie Thérèse Louise of Savoy felt,
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On August 16 2025 12:44 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2025 12:18 WombaT wrote:On August 16 2025 11:30 Razyda wrote:On August 16 2025 10:48 WombaT wrote:On August 16 2025 10:12 Razyda wrote:On August 16 2025 09:00 WombaT wrote:On August 16 2025 07:13 Razyda wrote:On August 16 2025 02:20 WombaT wrote:On August 15 2025 11:34 Razyda wrote:On August 15 2025 11:17 LightSpectra wrote:
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I'm sorry, were you under the impression that being less corrupt than the USA implies the EU is perfect? Dude you are literally the one who start comparison... On August 15 2025 11:21 WombaT wrote:
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I don’t think this is especially inaccurate.
In the current epoch the right wing is neither particularly morally good, nor is it particularly smart. There have been prior periods where it maybe wasn’t especially moral, but at least was smart.
I mean you might not like that assessment, but it is my assessment. Okay, now can you please honestly voice your opinion about what right thinks of the left? Way I see it: left is essentially speedrunning nick fuentes for president. Ok I was overly flippant before, I don’t think the right have no legitimate points or worldviews But what are the left doing that’s so bad that Nick Fuentes (or whoever comparable) is the better alternative in your hypothetical. Unlike other figures, I’d imagine saying Nick Fuentes is far right isn’t controversial, we can possibly all agree on that I assume! Obviously I’m generalising but ‘I wouldn’t vote/support the far right, but the establishment/the left are forcing me into a corner where I do’ isn’t an uncommon claim. However, if one is making such a claim, one does have to answer the question of what is so unpalatable about what those wings are doing, that you consider the far right the lesser evil? Not you personally, from your posting history I don’t think you’re talking about your own politics, but you perceive the left as pushing others to the far right I used Fuentes figuratively i forgot to add "someone like" before, and yes he is far right. Now I dont consider him lesser evil, I think that him, or someone like him coming into power is inevitable. This is not only US issue, same thing is going to happen in Europe. See what is happening is that left antagonized men with all the toxic masculinity, we dont need men, men have to change, men have to do better, I wont date anyone who doesnt make 6 figures, and so on. Admittedly not all the left, but thats what social media is for - selection bias. Right theoretically got it right: you are perfectly fine as you are, work on yourself, be provider for your family. Provider? like how? Can someone living in the US, let me know if guy on minimal wage or even average is able to buy a house and provide for his stay at home wife and few kids? I suspect not. And nothing Trump will do can change that. Yes deporting illegal immigrants will help, but it will help few from a lot. Now older men who have their life sorted dont exactly give a damn, as they are not affected that much. That leaves what? Young men, also called military age men and for a good reason, reason being that they are most dangerous creatures on the planet. Left hate them, right didnt really help them, so they will find someone else. Seen the Hesgeth tweet about church I posted few pages ago? This church will get massive. Doesnt Fuentes make people swear they will kill for him? He recently ratioed Musk on twitter. It is the very same mechanic every criminal organization used forever. The only people who think modern women don’t date people who don’t make six figures are either delusional, or so incompetent with women that they could make 7 figures and still be single. But yes, especially in young men there is something of a ‘crisis in masculinity’, and changing standards. I’d concede probably a rather confusing time for many folks in the generations proceeding mine. There’s sometimes a disconnect between what you’re being told to do and how to behave, and how it goes when you do behave thus. I think it’s silly to pretend this isn’t a thing, nor that some react badly, or feel the ‘left’ hate them (even though I think they’re massively wrong there). On the flipside, going back to my ‘why pick the alternative?’, people who gravitate to the far right on such topics are just abandoning attempts to have a more equal, less sexually violent society (with the growing pains that sometimes entails) for some fantasy where they have a subservient stay at home waifu. I had full post written down, but decided against it, because you clearly dont understand the issue. It doesnt matter whether they are right, or wrong, correct, or mistaken. It has literally 0 relevance to what I said. Only thing that matters is whether they are happy or not. If they are not, well you are f....ed.To reiterate my point: On August 16 2025 07:13 Razyda wrote:
See what is happening is that left antagonized men with all the toxic masculinity, we dont need men, men have to change, men have to do better, I wont date anyone who doesnt make 6 figures, and so on
"people who gravitate to the far right on such topics are just abandoning attempts to have a more equal, less sexually violent society" They wont care, of course they will abandon it, and create one where they are the kings, how is that even a question? They will do it, simply because they can. You are basically agreeing with me here. My contention is that people gravitate to far right politics, because they like far right politics. And not because they’re disenfranchised by the left, or the centre. You said it, not me: They wont care, of course they will abandon it, and create one where they are the kings They don’t wanna live in an egalitarian, harmonious society, they want to be the kings, no matter how unearned that desire is. This isn’t a failure of left wing politics, such a thing is antithetical to left wing politics. One can say left wing politics has failed to deliver the egalitarian ideal, sure, but the one thing it’s never going to deliver is what people who gravitate to the far right want, and it never will. Left wing politics is not going to demonise foreigners for your benefit, or go against female emancipation, it’s not going to happen. In a way I am agreeing with you. Issue is that you you dont seem to grasp what I am saying. Right/Left doesnt matter. Only difference is whether Stalin or Hitler shows up first. "My contention is that people gravitate to far right politics, because they like far right politics. And not because they’re disenfranchised by the left, or the centre. " They gravitate to right, because left doesnt offer them anything, right pretend to do so. "They don’t wanna live in an egalitarian, harmonious society, they want to be the kings, no matter how unearned that desire is." - I think this is the part you dont understand. It doesnt have to be earned, it merely have to be enforced. "One can say left wing politics has failed to deliver the egalitarian ideal, sure, but the one thing it’s never going to deliver is what people who gravitate to the far right want, and it never will. Left wing politics is not going to demonise foreigners for your benefit, or go against female emancipation, it’s not going to happen." And how is the left wing politics doing? Where does the vote of young males go? Issue left has is that by creating opportunities to everyone, but young men, it effectively excludes young men. I think, that my point you seem to be missing, is that there is loads of unclaimed soldiers, eventually someone is going to claim them, doesnt matter if someone is left or right, only thing that matters is putting them first. How do you put them first? If some ‘unclaimed soldier’ thinks society has failed them by not giving them a pliant waifu, or that they shouldn’t have to compete with immigrants, how does left wing politics dovetail with that? It doesn’t, people just have to deal with it. Or not, and gravitate to whatever. But there’s no way for the left to placate such people without well, not being left wing. And it’s pointless to even try. Now to clarify, I’m not talking about the left’s failings in perhaps coming to some middle ground on immigration, or gender relations or whatever. I’m talking if you think Nick Fuentes is palatable. If you’re at that point, the left were never going to reach you no matter what they do Okay your post makes it easy to clarify. ( I hope) Show nested quote +On August 16 2025 12:18 WombaT wrote:
It doesn’t, people just have to deal with it.
My entire post explains that they dont. Show nested quote +On August 16 2025 12:18 WombaT wrote:
But there’s no way for the left to placate such people without well, not being left wing.
And it’s pointless to even try.
Which is pretty much what I said. Show nested quote +On August 16 2025 12:18 WombaT wrote:
I’m talking if you think Nick Fuentes is palatable. If you’re at that point, the left were never going to reach you no matter what they do He isn't. I said he is "inevitable" this is different thing. Personally I think that the person coming will make Fuentes look like someone between Jesus and Mother Theresa. Wombat I am not telling you that you get to judge angry mob, I am telling you that if you dont join angry mob, you will understand how Marie Thérèse Louise of Savoy felt,
Ok but then you can’t criticise the left for tactics.
If people are on some inevitable course towards Hitler 2.0 then like, they’re already too far gone for left wing politics to reach.
Your views really don’t make much sense in combination.
Either it’s ‘the left has gone too far’, in which case if they hypothetically didn’t go too far, they’d become palatable again to some people.
Or, it’s some inevitable thing and dudes angry they don’t have their stay at home waifu (that nobody can deliver) will carry the day
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