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Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4171 Posts
1 hour ago
#103421
On August 19 2025 17:18 EnDeR_ wrote:
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On August 19 2025 16:01 Magic Powers wrote:
On August 19 2025 14:30 Slydie wrote:
I loved in Sweden, where there was rent control, and I absolutely hated it. If the supply is lower than the demand and you force the rent down, first hand rental contracts became extremely valuable. You got into absurd situations where no one would ever let go of their contracts, and 2nd, 3rd and even up to 5th hand rental became normal. Each of these would add a little bit for themselves. Sure, the rent was great if you could get a contract, but that was outright impossible. Navigating and entering the rental market was extremely messy, and not very cheap.


Sounds to me like construction of public homes didn't meet demand. Was that the case?


Acrofales was making a similar point. Where would the new homes be built in a city already as dense as NYC?


The City of Yes for Housing Opportunity aims to construct over 108 000 new homes - an increase of almost 3% - over the next 15 years. They have a few workable ideas on how to reach that goal.

Mamdani himself aims for an increase of 200 000 - more than 5% - over the next 10 years. If the whole set of his policies goes through, he can pull it off.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4171 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-19 08:49:54
1 hour ago
#103422
On August 19 2025 17:42 EnDeR_ wrote:
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On August 19 2025 17:32 Magic Powers wrote:
On August 19 2025 14:40 oBlade wrote:
Overmedicalization - US medicates under 18 for mental health at least twice as much as the 2nd highest countries. This is 100% big pharma at work. There is nothing in the DNA of American children that makes them doubly mentally unhealthy as everyone else. Twice the drugs going out doesn't make you twice as healthy.


Which medication(s) exactly are of concern if I may ask?


In my experience, Americans medicate themselves at a rate significantly above average, not just children, they just don't see it because it's "normal". The amount of medicine adverts on TV is truly staggering and something that shocked me when I first arrived.


Sure, but it's important to look at which medication we're talking about. The typical right-wing tactic is to just say "over-medication" and expect a shocked reaction from their audience. I'm not that audience so I'm only shocked after I research the medication and find that it causes significant harm. Depending on which answer oBlade gives, I'll either be shocked or fairly bored over the "over-prescription/medication" allegation.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
EnDeR_
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Spain2699 Posts
1 hour ago
#103423
On August 19 2025 17:46 Magic Powers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2025 17:18 EnDeR_ wrote:
On August 19 2025 16:01 Magic Powers wrote:
On August 19 2025 14:30 Slydie wrote:
I loved in Sweden, where there was rent control, and I absolutely hated it. If the supply is lower than the demand and you force the rent down, first hand rental contracts became extremely valuable. You got into absurd situations where no one would ever let go of their contracts, and 2nd, 3rd and even up to 5th hand rental became normal. Each of these would add a little bit for themselves. Sure, the rent was great if you could get a contract, but that was outright impossible. Navigating and entering the rental market was extremely messy, and not very cheap.


Sounds to me like construction of public homes didn't meet demand. Was that the case?


Acrofales was making a similar point. Where would the new homes be built in a city already as dense as NYC?


The City of Yes for Housing Opportunity aims to construct over 108 000 new homes - an increase of almost 3% - over the next 15 years. They have a few workable ideas on how to reach that goal.

Mamdani himself aims for an increase of 200 000 - more than 5% - over the next 10 years. If the whole set of his policies goes through, he can pull it off.


Where?
estás más desubicao q un croissant en un plato de nécoras
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11522 Posts
1 hour ago
#103424
On August 19 2025 17:48 Magic Powers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2025 17:42 EnDeR_ wrote:
On August 19 2025 17:32 Magic Powers wrote:
On August 19 2025 14:40 oBlade wrote:
Overmedicalization - US medicates under 18 for mental health at least twice as much as the 2nd highest countries. This is 100% big pharma at work. There is nothing in the DNA of American children that makes them doubly mentally unhealthy as everyone else. Twice the drugs going out doesn't make you twice as healthy.


Which medication(s) exactly are of concern if I may ask?


In my experience, Americans medicate themselves at a rate significantly above average, not just children, they just don't see it because it's "normal". The amount of medicine adverts on TV is truly staggering and something that shocked me when I first arrived.


Sure, but it's important to look at which medication we're talking about. The typical right-wing tactic is to just say "over-medication" and expect a shocked reaction from their audience. I'm not that audience so I'm only shocked after I research the medication and find that it causes significant harm. Depending on which answer oBlade gives, I'll either be shocked or fairly bored over the "over-prescription/medication" allegation.


I would actually agree that this whole thing might be a problem. If you notice that in one country, a type of medication is prescribed and used significantly more often than in other countries, figuring out why isn't a bad idea. There might also be a connection to the absurd health costs america has in comparison to other countries.

I think few people here would disagree with the statement that the US healthcare system is kind of shit, and requires some massive reforms.

Where i don't follow is the anti-science diatribe that usually follows that then somehow leads to us injecting bleach of whatever as a solution.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5612 Posts
13 minutes ago
#103425
On August 19 2025 16:50 KwarK wrote:
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On August 19 2025 14:40 oBlade wrote:
Article is pulling nonsense rhetorical tricks. Poisoning isn't mentioned "explicitly?" Poisoning in that sense is like when a kid drinks draino and dies. Nobody is for that.

Fun fact, some fundamentalist Christian sects are for that. They call it Miracle Mineral Solution and they believe it cures everything.

https://www.fda.gov/inspections-compliance-enforcement-and-criminal-investigations/doj-press-releases-involving-fda-oci/leader-genesis-ii-church-health-and-healing-who-sold-toxic-bleach-fake-miracle-cure-covid-19-and

They’re popular with the RFK alternative health anti vax no COVID horse worm crowd.

I know that you’d like to believe that they’d draw the line at fighting fluoride, a mineral that has proven repeatedly to be a public health miracle. I’d like to believe that too. I’d like to dismiss out of hand the idea that these people need to be stopped from drinking bleach. But we don’t live in that world, we live in the world where RFK’s alternative science alternative medicine conspiracy Christian nutters are drinking bleach.

I do not dismiss the idea there is always a lunatic you can find under a rock somewhere. But even with fluoride in the water, this church is doing what you say. So let's not consider them in our worldview.

Rabid opposition to public water fluoridation seems over the top. However, so does rabid defense of it to me. It may very well be a miracle. It remineralizes enamel so we don't die from our teeth in our 50s and 60s.

But it's in toothpaste. We all have toothpaste and toothbrushes. And we also have the miracle of drills, anaesthetics, and polymers. Is there no risk in fluoride? There are studies of childhood IQ drops at like 3x the levels the US uses? We know fluoride, like anything, is toxic at the right levels. The question is how much and over how long. Seems fine to take a look at that to know whether the risk is worth it.

On August 19 2025 17:32 Magic Powers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2025 14:40 oBlade wrote:
Overmedicalization - US medicates under 18 for mental health at least twice as much as the 2nd highest countries. This is 100% big pharma at work. There is nothing in the DNA of American children that makes them doubly mentally unhealthy as everyone else. Twice the drugs going out doesn't make you twice as healthy.


Which medication(s) exactly are of concern if I may ask?

Statins, opioids, and SSRIs (or really anything psychiatric, like ritalin). Those are the worst from the standpoint of waste and individual and societal dependence.
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Antibiotic overuse is also a problem because of resistance, but it's a worldwide problem because patients and doctors everywhere are stupid and doctors are rushed and everyone wants patients to feel better. It's not one that's US specific, the problems in the US are related to being one of the only countries with direct to consumer prescription advertising, and with the lucrative bonuses for unscrupulous overprescribing. Like what happened to precipitate the opioid crisis. The same perverse incentives don't exist for antibiotics to my knowledge, although I wouldn't put it past them either. When someone comes in with the sniffles, and you give them a generic cephalosporin, there are not exorbitant kickbacks for that. Nor are cephalosporin people on TV saying "Got the sniffles? Ask your doctor for our antibiotics" the way they do with statins.

So the issue of our antibiotics becoming useless and superbugs outpacing new drug developments is a problem, but the things the HHS report addresses when it suggests tightening direct to consumer advertising and prescription incentives are different, and their own separate issues.


There is a small degree of credit to the notion that people who are sicker need more medicine. However, that's an argument again in favor of making them healthier earlier to begin with.
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