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On July 14 2025 00:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2025 00:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On July 13 2025 08:25 Razyda wrote:
I think Trump is about to collapse maga:
we've been confonted by the confounding question: "What Is A Woman?" your statement begs the question "What Is MAGA?" I definitely want America to be great. Whether I'm living in Canada or the USA a great America will improve my life on every level. I'm a huge researcher of all things Ronald Reagan. Am I MAGA? What is MAGA? I watched the movie "Miracle" with my wife a few weeks ago. She loved it and voted for Trump 2 out of 3 times. Does that make her MAGA? I generally equate Trump supporters with the MAGA community/cult, but I suppose there could be degrees/scaling too: The more zealously they adore Trump, the more MAGA they are. If someone was a lifelong Republican and begrudgingly voted for Trump only because the alternative was a Democrat, I'd say they're probably not quite as MAGA as someone who proudly wears MAGA shirts and hats and constantly repeats Trump's nonsense. I haven't seen Miracle and I don't know enough about your wife to know how MAGA she is / if she's officially MAGA by most people's definitions.
For me, I mean the lesser of two evils is a thing on the conservative ledger too. If one is ambivalent or even hostile to Trump say, but considers his platform preferable to the alternative, I’d disagree but I’d still not consider someone ‘MAGA’.
The more enthusiastic one gets, and the more bullshit logic jumps one gets into, the more ‘MAGA’ one becomes.
So probably pretty similar to you, I dunno specifically what my cutoff is for when one is in the cult, but the most zealous definitely are in one, while the reluctant types I wouldn’t characterise them remotely as such
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On July 14 2025 00:53 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2025 00:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 14 2025 00:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On July 13 2025 08:25 Razyda wrote:
I think Trump is about to collapse maga:
we've been confonted by the confounding question: "What Is A Woman?" your statement begs the question "What Is MAGA?" I definitely want America to be great. Whether I'm living in Canada or the USA a great America will improve my life on every level. I'm a huge researcher of all things Ronald Reagan. Am I MAGA? What is MAGA? I watched the movie "Miracle" with my wife a few weeks ago. She loved it and voted for Trump 2 out of 3 times. Does that make her MAGA? I generally equate Trump supporters with the MAGA community/cult, but I suppose there could be degrees/scaling too: The more zealously they adore Trump, the more MAGA they are. If someone was a lifelong Republican and begrudgingly voted for Trump only because the alternative was a Democrat, I'd say they're probably not quite as MAGA as someone who proudly wears MAGA shirts and hats and constantly repeats Trump's nonsense. I haven't seen Miracle and I don't know enough about your wife to know how MAGA she is / if she's officially MAGA by most people's definitions. For me, I mean the lesser of two evils is a thing on the conservative ledger too. If one is ambivalent or even hostile to Trump say, but considers his platform preferable to the alternative, I’d disagree but I’d still not consider someone ‘MAGA’. The more enthusiastic one gets, and the more bullshit logic jumps one gets into, the more ‘MAGA’ one becomes. So probably pretty similar to you, I dunno specifically what my cutoff is for when one is in the cult, but the most zealous definitely are in one, while the reluctant types I wouldn’t characterise them remotely as such
Yeah I think we're definitely on the same page here.
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If Trump loses control of MAGA over Epstein stuff, I don't get the impression they are going back to the Mitt Romney/Paul Ryan types.
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On July 14 2025 01:31 GreenHorizons wrote:
If Trump loses control of MAGA over Epstein stuff, I don't get the impression they are going back to the Mitt Romney/Paul Ryan types.
I predict the techbro section of the party will become the new leaders if Trump doesn't wiggle out of this scandal. But who knows. Maybe it'll be Kid Rock/Ted Nugent-type celebrities. The only certainty is it's going to be fucking stupid.
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Maga will not break away from trump over not releasing some files. The only guiding line the right still has is trump is right and let's own the libs. They did not care before he brainwashed the whole movement, they will not care now.
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Agreed Trump is now hinting to tank the economy again, just to get some other headlines.
When will Greenland and Canada bei annexed?
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On July 14 2025 02:52 Broetchenholer wrote:
Maga will not break away from trump over not releasing some files. The only guiding line the right still has is trump is right and let's own the libs. They did not care before he brainwashed the whole movement, they will not care now.
Considering Democrats would have voted for Biden/Harris if they shot their moms in front of them I'm inclined to agree that they're unlikely to break away.
But if you take former DFL type Democrats like Dean Phillips that say that there's no room for socialists like Mamdani in the Democrat party and combine them with the techbro libertarians, you might have enough to make a new "centrist" party with no socialists or MAGA (Trump loyalists)
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On July 14 2025 03:35 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2025 02:52 Broetchenholer wrote:
Maga will not break away from trump over not releasing some files. The only guiding line the right still has is trump is right and let's own the libs. They did not care before he brainwashed the whole movement, they will not care now. Considering Democrats would have voted for Biden/Harris if they shot their moms in front of them I'm inclined to agree that they're unlikely to break away. But if you take former DFL type Democrats like Dean Phillips that say that there's no room for socialists like Mamdani in the Democrat party and combine them with the techbro libertarians, you might have enough to make a new "centrist" party with no socialists or MAGA (Trump loyalists)
Really? It's not like there was a massive push to replace Biden on the ticket after a poor debate performance.
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On July 14 2025 03:35 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2025 02:52 Broetchenholer wrote:
Maga will not break away from trump over not releasing some files. The only guiding line the right still has is trump is right and let's own the libs. They did not care before he brainwashed the whole movement, they will not care now. Considering Democrats would have voted for Biden/Harris if they shot their moms in front of them I'm inclined to agree that they're unlikely to break away.But if you take former DFL type Democrats like Dean Phillips that say that there's no room for socialists like Mamdani in the Democrat party and combine them with the techbro libertarians, you might have enough to make a new "centrist" party with no socialists or MAGA (Trump loyalists)
If they did they would get primaried. If it was during election they would be forced to step down. Biden did for much less. If democrat voters thought as you portray them here they would win more elections.
The two party stem really is bad for choice in the US and should be the primary thing changed if one thing in the constitution could be changed. Since that would open up for other needed changes instead of a stalemate on most issues.
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On July 14 2025 04:11 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2025 03:35 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 14 2025 02:52 Broetchenholer wrote:
Maga will not break away from trump over not releasing some files. The only guiding line the right still has is trump is right and let's own the libs. They did not care before he brainwashed the whole movement, they will not care now. Considering Democrats would have voted for Biden/Harris if they shot their moms in front of them I'm inclined to agree that they're unlikely to break away. But if you take former DFL type Democrats like Dean Phillips that say that there's no room for socialists like Mamdani in the Democrat party and combine them with the techbro libertarians, you might have enough to make a new "centrist" party with no socialists or MAGA (Trump loyalists) Really? It's not like there was a massive push to replace Biden on the ticket after a poor debate performance.
Yes. That "push" pretty much always came with the addendum that if he wasn't replaced, they'd still vote for him.
On July 14 2025 04:26 Yurie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2025 03:35 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 14 2025 02:52 Broetchenholer wrote:
Maga will not break away from trump over not releasing some files. The only guiding line the right still has is trump is right and let's own the libs. They did not care before he brainwashed the whole movement, they will not care now. Considering Democrats would have voted for Biden/Harris if they shot their moms in front of them I'm inclined to agree that they're unlikely to break away.But if you take former DFL type Democrats like Dean Phillips that say that there's no room for socialists like Mamdani in the Democrat party and combine them with the techbro libertarians, you might have enough to make a new "centrist" party with no socialists or MAGA (Trump loyalists) If they did they would get primaried. If it was during election they would be forced to step down. Biden did for much less. If democrat voters thought as you portray them here they would win more elections. The two party stem really is bad for choice in the US and should be the primary thing changed if one thing in the constitution could be changed. Since that would open up for other needed changes instead of a stalemate on most issues.
If Harris shot a Democrat's mom after she was the nominee, they wouldn't want her to step down, they'd want her to win and they would have voted for her. I don't think they'd deny that, even today.
As to the two party system constitution thing, it's probably not even intentional. More like a bug/exploit that seems sorta obvious in hindsight (and maybe some of the creators were aware of this at the time).
Changing it is sorta like if the top 500 players of a game got to decide if you patch an exploit where their manipulation of that specific exploit is basically the only reason they are in the top 500.
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On July 14 2025 03:33 KT_Elwood wrote:
Agreed Trump is now hinting to tank the economy again, just to get some other headlines.
When will Greenland and Canada be annexed?
Oh man, what is it now? More tariff nonsense? Something else?
Also, his people are writing frightening articles like this on the official White House site:
"TRUST IN TRUMP: Sentiment Surges as Economy Booms
When President Donald J. Trump unveiled his historic America First trade agenda in April, he offered some free advice: “Don’t be Weak! Don’t be Stupid! Don’t be a PANICAN … Be Strong, Courageous, and Patient, and GREATNESS will be the result!”
President Trump was right (again)."
https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/07/trust-in-trump-sentiment-surges-as-economy-booms/
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On July 14 2025 03:33 KT_Elwood wrote:
Agreed Trump is now hinting to tank the economy again, just to get some other headlines.
When will Greenland and Canada bei annexed?
I'm more curious, after those countries, which other countries will be... annexed in line.
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On July 14 2025 04:11 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2025 03:35 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 14 2025 02:52 Broetchenholer wrote:
Maga will not break away from trump over not releasing some files. The only guiding line the right still has is trump is right and let's own the libs. They did not care before he brainwashed the whole movement, they will not care now. Considering Democrats would have voted for Biden/Harris if they shot their moms in front of them I'm inclined to agree that they're unlikely to break away. But if you take former DFL type Democrats like Dean Phillips that say that there's no room for socialists like Mamdani in the Democrat party and combine them with the techbro libertarians, you might have enough to make a new "centrist" party with no socialists or MAGA (Trump loyalists) Really? It's not like there was a massive push to replace Biden on the ticket after a poor debate performance.
I'm pretty sure the bolded is a direct reference to user(s) here that said they would vote for Biden in the general election even if he killed their mother
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On July 14 2025 05:24 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2025 04:11 maybenexttime wrote:On July 14 2025 03:35 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 14 2025 02:52 Broetchenholer wrote:
Maga will not break away from trump over not releasing some files. The only guiding line the right still has is trump is right and let's own the libs. They did not care before he brainwashed the whole movement, they will not care now. Considering Democrats would have voted for Biden/Harris if they shot their moms in front of them I'm inclined to agree that they're unlikely to break away. But if you take former DFL type Democrats like Dean Phillips that say that there's no room for socialists like Mamdani in the Democrat party and combine them with the techbro libertarians, you might have enough to make a new "centrist" party with no socialists or MAGA (Trump loyalists) Really? It's not like there was a massive push to replace Biden on the ticket after a poor debate performance. I'm pretty sure the bolded is a direct reference to user(s) here that said they would vote for Biden in the general election even if he killed their mother
Which is, in itself, a super weird and yet also super on brand take from GH. GH simultaneously argues that we must do anything and everything to stop Trump from genocide and also that hypothetically voting against Trump is a step too far.
Pick a damn lane.
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On July 14 2025 05:17 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2025 03:33 KT_Elwood wrote:
Agreed Trump is now hinting to tank the economy again, just to get some other headlines.
When will Greenland and Canada bei annexed? I'm more curious, after those countries, which other countries will be... annexed in line.
Well played. Also: my guess would be any countries with a mostly white population.
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Half of GH's comments here are just begging people to hate liberals for any reason, real or imaginary.
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Why would you ship anything well tariffs are one when you know he is going to turn them on again in a few weeks?
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On July 13 2025 15:31 BlackJack wrote:
Didn't Roman Polanski rape a 12 year old and Hollywood still gave him a standing ovation? I think people are willing to overlook transgressions more than we would hope so long as you are part of their group.
I think it goes deeper than that Polansky/Hollywood are not exactly political issue. Epstein is. See people want Bread and Games. In case of bread he went for it with illegal immigrants (whether it worked, or not is irrelevant - perception matters) in case of games all people wanted is to see some powerful heads to roll, they didnt got it and it seems like they never will.
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On July 14 2025 05:39 LightSpectra wrote:
Half of GH's comments here are just begging people to hate liberals for any reason, real or imaginary.
And the other half is wondering why those same liberals won't follow him to their deaths. Turns out calling people genocide supporters is a bad way to form a coalition with said people.
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