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Uldridge
Belgium5059 Posts
That's what an impression she left. She may have called for a cease fire 3 times, if your voice is drowned by all the shit, what voice do you even have? In any case I would've voted Harris as an American because Trump and his cabinet is that bad. Like evil bad. Like bulldozer destructive can''t find anything useful in the rubble bad. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States2213 Posts
Not to mention people would have a lot more time to be protesting weapon sales to Israel if they weren't busy protesting ICE and naked corruption and whatnot. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23697 Posts
On July 14 2025 17:54 Godwrath wrote: Yeah maybe it's because if they see you as a genocide supporter there is little reason to have a coallition to begin with. They consider themselves genocide supporters. They supported what they consider to be the less evil genocide because Harris called for a ceasefire, sorta like Trump condemns white supremacy. It's really just them emotionally lashing out at me like usual. It's honestly sad that they are so much more enraged by my pointing this out than they are the Democrats for making them feel forced to support genocide. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5059 Posts
But i'm just being a bit annoying so don't mind me too much  Just trying to get by while realizing what great dystopian futures await us and shitposting in the process! | ||
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LightSpectra
United States2213 Posts
On July 15 2025 02:07 GreenHorizons wrote: They supported what they consider to be the less evil genocide because Harris called for a ceasefire, sorta like Trump condemns white supremacy. I lol'd in real life. This trolling attempt was much better than when you were pretending to not know what Accelerationism means, it was actually humorous this time. On July 15 2025 02:11 Uldridge wrote: If she's objectively better but doesn't have the resonance to voice that merit she's not getting those voters. So in a sense she was worse because she lost to Trump. Imagine that, losing to Trump. But i'm just being a bit annoying so don't mind me too much Just trying to get by while realizing what great dystopian futures await us and shitposting in the process! There is very little data that showed Harris lost because of pro-Palestine voters. Most of it shows she lost because of men in the manosphere believing women can't be allowed to have authority. | ||
KwarK
United States43673 Posts
On July 15 2025 02:07 GreenHorizons wrote: They consider themselves genocide supporters. They supported what they consider to be the less evil genocide because Harris called for a ceasefire, sorta like Trump condemns white supremacy. It's really just them emotionally lashing out at me like usual. It's honestly sad that they are so much more enraged by my pointing this out than they are the Democrats for making them feel forced to support genocide. I don’t consider myself a genocide supporter. | ||
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EnDeR_
Spain2780 Posts
On July 15 2025 01:38 Godwrath wrote: I didn't say Harris is more extremist than Trump. And to the above poster asking about numbers, you are the ones saying that Trump is much worse for Gaza than a democrat, like playing lip service to the idea that what it's being done in Gaza while still giving full support to Israel in this, was measurable better than no lip service at all. You mentioned checking the numbers in your post. I wanted to check the numbers and will appreciate your source for the below statement. On July 14 2025 22:25 Godwrath wrote: And still misses the point. That there is a big difference between the two regarding Gaza is not supported by reality. You have some homework to do, check the numbers. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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LightSpectra
United States2213 Posts
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KT_Elwood
Germany1125 Posts
Apart from the right-wing nationalists in Israel, basicly nobody is in favor of a genocide in gaza. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On July 15 2025 03:27 KT_Elwood wrote: Hamas still openly advocates and fights for a genocide of jews in Israel. Apart from the right-wing nationalists in Israel, basicly nobody is in favor of a genocide in gaza. Except for Trump, who openly voiced his support of genocide. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14104 Posts
On July 15 2025 02:07 GreenHorizons wrote: They consider themselves genocide supporters. They supported what they consider to be the less evil genocide because Harris called for a ceasefire, sorta like Trump condemns white supremacy. It's really just them emotionally lashing out at me like usual. It's honestly sad that they are so much more enraged by my pointing this out than they are the Democrats for making them feel forced to support genocide. Ok so now we've got movement in the GH understading of what hes trying to do. He thinks the people hes trying to convince are genocide supporters, he thinks that they think that they're genocide supporters, and wants them apart of his violent overthrow of the government. Does GH have a legitimate problem with genocide? Beacuse it very clearly isn't a deal breaker when trying to find supporters for his revolution? Lol again, by trying to hand wave criticism with "they're just being emotional", isn't it problematic to keep repeating that? | ||
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LightSpectra
United States2213 Posts
On July 15 2025 03:27 KT_Elwood wrote: Hamas still openly advocates and fights for a genocide of jews in Israel. Apart from the right-wing nationalists in Israel, basicly nobody is in favor of a genocide in gaza. Right-wing nationalists are the government of Israel right now. There's no point in re-litigating the issue of whether it's OK to commit genocide against people who support genocide against you, or whether weaponized starvation fulfills the legal definition of "genocide". I don't think anyone's minds are going to change at this point. But acting like the people openly, vocally calling for genocide are some extremist minority in Israel is objectively wrong. | ||
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Billyboy
1529 Posts
On July 15 2025 03:32 Magic Powers wrote: Except for Trump, who openly voiced his support of genocide. Not trying to quibble with your point, but save us from a future discussion about words. Trump was promoting ethnic cleansing and not genocide. Now the lines are often blurred and usually it is a mix. And unrelated to that, Trump is so dumb and also ignorant in the world I think there is a legitimate chance he is completely clueless that his plan was ethnic cleansing. As far as the whole not being hard enough to Netanyahu or supporting him too much. I have a hard time believing that most US voters cared. When I talk to people around here it never comes up and if I bring it up about the only people know is there was an attack and there is war, then a blanket conclusion on who was good and who was bad but not they really do not seem to care. I can't imagine in the US it is some sort of wedge issue that made or broke the election for anyone. It is also just best policy to ignore GH when he starts his genocide talk, he's not even against it. He just thinks you guys are and that if says it enough you will also hate America and capitalism and join him in thinking everyone that is America's allies are bad, and those who are against the US are good. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23697 Posts
On July 15 2025 03:07 EnDeR_ wrote: Not positive what Godwrath was referencing, but what numbers are people using to support their conclusions that Trump's lack of lip service is measurably/functionally worse than Democrats (inadequate by any measure) lip service? You mentioned checking the numbers in your post. I wanted to check the numbers and will appreciate your source for the below statement. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17328 Posts
Matt Walsh provides some comical coverage of the Epstein Debacle. the epstein thing is really ugly... but i think JFK's execution, the Gulf of Tonkin, and WTC #7 are much worse. i think sinking all one's loyalty into the USA or any single nation is a naive and bad move. Stuff like Epstein, JFK, and the Gulf of Tonkin are big examples of why you can't sink all your eggs in the USA basket. If the pressure heats up on Trump he will do the smart thing and fire someone. I think Trump has already given Pam Bondi the big "vote of confidence". In the sports world when the Team Prez gives the Head Coach a "Vote of Confidence" ... its the beginning of the end. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14104 Posts
If you can't distill your argument about the morality of what a person is saying vs doing into a mathematical equation, then your argument is invalid, and I win. | ||
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Billyboy
1529 Posts
It is like a Oprah special where instead of everyone getting a car, everyone gets accused of being guilty of genocide! woo! | ||
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LightSpectra
United States2213 Posts
On July 15 2025 06:16 Billyboy wrote: So if you vote for Harris, you're complicit in Genocide. If you vote for Trump, you're complicit in genocide. If you did not vote, your complicit in Genocide. If you are not an American, you are complicit in Genocide. And if you vote for Jill Stien, you are complicit in genocide. I mean, her lip service did less then even Harris or Biden. It is like a Oprah special where instead of everyone getting a car, everyone gets accused of being guilty of genocide! woo! It makes more sense when you realize it's about sanctimony rather than the welfare of Gaza. The question isn't "which option results in the least suffering for Gazans," it's "which option allows me to be the most insufferable to other people on social media". It's the same principle behind pseudo-environmentalists opposing nuclear power replacing coal power, or transphobes pretending to care about the integrity of women's sports while voting to defund them. The outcome means absolutely nothing, it's all about putting on a show. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17328 Posts
On July 15 2025 06:28 LightSpectra wrote: or transphobes pretending to care about the integrity of women's sports while voting to defund them. The outcome means absolutely nothing, it's all about putting on a show. are there any transmen obliterating world records? | ||
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