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I think Trump is about to collapse maga:
https://x.com/harryjsisson/status/1944155675828830372
Unless he throw them some Epstein bone it will fracture.
Here is his full post:
https://x.com/MAGALieTracker/status/1944153894130418008
This part is pretty much selfown:
For years, it's Epstein, over and over again. Why are we giving publicity to Files written by Obama, Crooked Hillary, Comey, Brennan, and the Losers and Criminals of the Biden Administration, who conned the World with the Russia, Russia, Russia Hoax, 51 "Intelligence" Agents, "THE LAPTOP FROM HELL," and more? They created the Epstein Files, just like they created the FAKE Hillary Clinton/Christopher Steele Dossier that they used on me, and now my so-called "friends" are playing right into their hands.
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I didn't bother checking Iceland because its population is tiny. Might as well include Greenland.
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Norway28797 Posts
Eh, it was close. Here's a neat site I often use when teaching - www.gapminder.org
Norway's first oil field opened in 1971 - looking at GDP we were slightly behind Sweden and Denmark at the time ($21k to $23k and $25k), ahead of Finland ($18k). Life expectancy was half a year behind Sweden, but almost a year above Denmark, and 4 years above Finland.
Anyway, even though we were slightly behind Sweden, if you disregard the micro states like Monaco and Andorra etc, Norway was ~top 5-10 in the world in wealth/life expectancy even before we started producing a drop of oil. And 52 years later (2023), Norway and Sweden have basically identical life expectancy 2 years ahead of Denmark, Norway is 10-20% higher on GDP/capita (Norway $66k, Sweden 54k, Denmark $60k). Oil has had an effect, for sure, but I think it might be a bit overstated/overestimated.
The oil fund is amazing, obviously, a great insurance for the future, and last year it contributed about 20% of our yearly budget - but there's no need for it to achieve a highly functional social democratic society. Where I imagine Norway really separates herself from Sweden and Denmark would probably rather be in stuff like, vacation homes per capita, and I think Norwegians have on average gone for more expensive vacations, I imagine we're ahead in Tesla ownership (no longer a source of pride). Basically - some of our luxury spending is higher.
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On July 13 2025 08:26 Sent. wrote:
I didn't bother checking Iceland because its population is tiny. Might as well include Greenland.
The point here is saying "social democracy only works because of Norway's oil wealth" is not a persuasive argument when the same system works basically just as well for all its Nordic neighbors that don't have oil wealth.
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Majority of trump voters wouldn't care if he raped a 12 year old in front of them.
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United States43980 Posts
Norway’s oil money hasn’t properly kicked in yet really. They’ve mostly saved it so they’re still doing things like working and paying taxes instead of importing a huge non citizen migrant worker population and retiring the way Qataris would. On paper they’re obscenely wealthy but they’re not spending down the principal or even all the interest, they’re growing it for their kids and their kid’s kids.
It’s actually a little bit weird, like people who win the lottery and keep working. Like Norway voters, do you not know that you’re done? It’s time to spend some, you’re ready to retire as a country. You don’t need to work anymore, the fund is big enough. Your children won’t be able to spend all that money.
They’re either dumb, workaholics, or the most selfless people imaginable. You don’t see Qataris doing dumb things like paying taxes or working jobs but Norwegians are like “well my grandpa worked a job before we struck oil and my dad worked to save the money so I wouldn’t have to and so I should work too”.
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On July 13 2025 08:36 Liquid`Drone wrote:Eh, it was close. Here's a neat site I often use when teaching - www.gapminder.org
My students and I absolutely love to use Gapminder  Having 5 potential variables on a single graph is freakin' cool (x-axis variable, y-axis variable, color-coded circles based on world region/continent, sized circles based on population, and a play button / slider for moving through time).
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On July 13 2025 09:18 Luolis wrote:Majority of trump voters wouldn't care if he raped a 12 year old in front of them.
Yeah I fear that's the case. The Epstein files won't change the minds of most of Trump's supporters, if they're still with him this far.
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On July 13 2025 09:18 Luolis wrote:Majority of trump voters wouldn't care if he raped a 12 year old in front of them.
Nah, that just something you have been told and want to believe. Conservatives are rather unruly bunch temporarily united. It is the liberals who will vote for whomever DNC CORP will tell them to.
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United States43980 Posts
On July 13 2025 13:09 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2025 09:18 Luolis wrote:Majority of trump voters wouldn't care if he raped a 12 year old in front of them. Nah, that just something you have been told and want to believe. Conservatives are rather unruly bunch temporarily united. It is the liberals who will vote for whomever DNC CORP will tell them to.
Trump insults Ted Cruz's wife, Ted Cruz endorses him.
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Didn't Roman Polanski rape a 12 year old and Hollywood still gave him a standing ovation? I think people are willing to overlook transgressions more than we would hope so long as you are part of their group.
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Roman Polanski is a fugitive to the United States.
Raping children is not a transgression it's one of the worse things a human being can do.
The comments about this being "but Polanski and Hollywood" and "but DNC" just show how utterly morally bankrupt you guys are.
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On July 13 2025 16:15 Jankisa wrote:
Roman Polanski is a fugitive to the United States.
Raping children is not a transgression it's one of the worse things a human being can do.
The comments about this being "but Polanski and Hollywood" and "but DNC" just show how utterly morally bankrupt you guys are.
There is no raped 12 year old, calm down.
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On July 13 2025 08:25 Razyda wrote:I think Trump is about to collapse maga: https://x.com/harryjsisson/status/1944155675828830372Unless he throw them some Epstein bone it will fracture. Here is his full post: https://x.com/MAGALieTracker/status/1944153894130418008This part is pretty much selfown: For years, it's Epstein, over and over again. Why are we giving publicity to Files written by Obama, Crooked Hillary, Comey, Brennan, and the Losers and Criminals of the Biden Administration, who conned the World with the Russia, Russia, Russia Hoax, 51 "Intelligence" Agents, "THE LAPTOP FROM HELL," and more? They created the Epstein Files, just like they created the FAKE Hillary Clinton/Christopher Steele Dossier that they used on me, and now my so-called "friends" are playing right into their hands.
Your seriously underestimating the cult
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On July 13 2025 08:52 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2025 08:26 Sent. wrote:
I didn't bother checking Iceland because its population is tiny. Might as well include Greenland. The point here is saying "social democracy only works because of Norway's oil wealth" is not a persuasive argument when the same system works basically just as well for all its Nordic neighbors that don't have oil wealth.
An inconvenient truth. Capitalists have to always move the goalpost. If a mixed economy does well, it's because of capitalism. If a mixed economy does worse, it's because of socialism. They're a broken record.
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On July 13 2025 08:25 Razyda wrote:
I think Trump is about to collapse maga:
we've been confonted by the confounding question: "What Is A Woman?"
your statement begs the question "What Is MAGA?"
I definitely want America to be great. Whether I'm living in Canada or the USA a great America will improve my life on every level.
I'm a huge researcher of all things Ronald Reagan. Am I MAGA? What is MAGA?
I watched the movie "Miracle" with my wife a few weeks ago. She loved it and voted for Trump 2 out of 3 times. Does that make her MAGA?
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Every time she votes for Trump she's bringing the world closer to the pre ww1 multipolar world of Great Powers instead of post Reagan peak of American domination. So yes, I would call her MAGA.
Trump will never get close to the power Bush had when he made half of the world follow him to Iraq.
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On July 14 2025 00:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote:we've been confonted by the confounding question: "What Is A Woman?" your statement begs the question "What Is MAGA?" I definitely want America to be great. Whether I'm living in Canada or the USA a great America will improve my life on every level. I'm a huge researcher of all things Ronald Reagan. Am I MAGA? What is MAGA? I watched the movie "Miracle" with my wife a few weeks ago. She loved it and voted for Trump 2 out of 3 times. Does that make her MAGA?
I generally equate Trump supporters with the MAGA community/cult, but I suppose there could be degrees/scaling too: The more zealously they adore Trump, the more MAGA they are. If someone was a lifelong Republican and begrudgingly voted for Trump only because the alternative was a Democrat, I'd say they're probably not quite as MAGA as someone who proudly wears MAGA shirts and hats and constantly repeats Trump's nonsense. I haven't seen Miracle and I don't know enough about your wife to know how MAGA she is / if she's officially MAGA by most people's definitions.
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Northern Ireland26778 Posts
On July 13 2025 13:09 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2025 09:18 Luolis wrote:Majority of trump voters wouldn't care if he raped a 12 year old in front of them. Nah, that just something you have been told and want to believe. Conservatives are rather unruly bunch temporarily united. It is the liberals who will vote for whomever DNC CORP will tell them to.
This is so off-base I have to genuinely question where you’re getting that impression from.
It’s only a matter of weeks since the Dem establishment personified, Andrew Cuomo lost to the lefty outsider in the New York Mayoral Primary for the Dems.
The wider left can’t simultaneously be characterised by infighting and purity tests, but also be slavishly loyal and toe the establishment line.
Not all Conservatives, but the real cultists will let Trump away with basically anything. It’s so patently obviously the case. In this particular case you have people who were advocating for the release of the Epstein files for fucking donkeys, completely flipping on a dime
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