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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44323 Posts
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Turbovolver
Australia2394 Posts
On March 22 2025 02:57 GreenHorizons wrote: It wasn't a "trolley problem" unless you are willfully ignorant to how this supposed trolley, switch, and victim setup was constructed. It is a desperate attempt to preserve one's self-image as not one of "the baddies" Nah. Most people just focus on their own life, go on forums or social media for a bit of politics as a dopamine hit, and then when the country asks them to decide they decide. For a lot of people, even the people on this forum who will yell about voting for the Democrats, it's a pragmatic choice and not their personality. This is just normal human behaviour. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7297 Posts
Basically, Trump deported some people to a hardcore prison in El Salvadore by claiming they were gang member terrorists. The problem being that, as one might expect, at least some of them absolutely weren't and they have no evidence proving they were. Their argument for their lack of evidence being that because they had no evidence it was proof that they were just like super smart terrorists. A judge ordered them not to and they were like, "lul too late hes already gone bruh." Real serious gestapo shit, this. No due process, so we're hitting that territory where anyone can be spirited away to a concentration camp if the government decides theyre a terrorist for fake or non existent reasons. Get your guns people with dark skin or non-European names, you'll probably need 'em over the next few years. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21678 Posts
On March 22 2025 08:33 Godwrath wrote: I think people are ignoring the behind the scenes pressure Biden did, and Kamala would have, put on Israel to limit the worst excesses. Was it enough, absolutely not, should they have done a lot more, absolutely.The point is that this would happen either with kamala or Trump. Trump just utilizes It as an ad for his base, but the real end result, IS the same. But look at for example the attack on Rafah and the time Bidens administration bought for evacuation and what could have happened if it had been Trump and no delays, resulting in Israel attack while the city was overflowing with refugees. Just because not nearly enough was done doesnt mean nothing was done. | ||
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EnDeR_
Spain2692 Posts
The situations are not the same. Period. | ||
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jodljodl
171 Posts
On March 22 2025 10:18 JimmyJRaynor wrote: 10% of American women aged 18 to 24 have Only Fans pages... meanwhile Donald Trump is picking fights with Canada. "1984" and "Brave New World" have arrived... along with a little sprinkling of "Anthem". I totally disagree. Yes, maybe it seems like we're heading this way. But in many countries you have access to free press and reliable sources. Maybe you can argue there's some kind of "telescreens" nowadays. (Data gathering & analyzing.) But making this possible also comes down to a choice to use certain things or not. (Which, remember; in 1984 they had not.) I think if one day you live in a state with an acutal "thought police" you will probably realise how far off your statement was. (Which of course I hope won't happen to you  )edit: i just roamed the internet to check your "10% of American women aged 18 to 24 have Only Fans pages". (I assume you talk about content creators here.): As far as i can tell there is no reliable data publicly for free available on this exact question. There's this 1.4 mio us women are content creators on onlyfans number going around. Which i believe is based on this article by the washington examiner. (Btw in this article they point out that this number is a very, very rough estimate.) 10% of women aged 18-24 in the us is 1.5+ mio... So even if all of these 1.4 mio women are aged 18 - 24 it still would not amount to 10% of all us women of this age group... More interesting to me is what they mention in the last paragraph: Let us hope that OnlyFans is inflating some of these numbers because the back-of-the-envelope math would indicate that those 62 million OnlyFans users are nearly half of all American men aged 18-45. If these numbers are indeed correct, OnlyFans is a crisis of consumption, not supply. At least based on the numbers they use I tend to agree. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35145 Posts
On March 22 2025 14:10 Zambrah wrote: Damn, I really need to get a gun, I dont have the right name to feel safe in this sort of situation lmao. Gonna have to really rely on the ol white skin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vvv0_aVTzlI&ab_channel=LegalEagle Basically, Trump deported some people to a hardcore prison in El Salvadore by claiming they were gang member terrorists. The problem being that, as one might expect, at least some of them absolutely weren't and they have no evidence proving they were. Their argument for their lack of evidence being that because they had no evidence it was proof that they were just like super smart terrorists. A judge ordered them not to and they were like, "lul too late hes already gone bruh." Real serious gestapo shit, this. No due process, so we're hitting that territory where anyone can be spirited away to a concentration camp if the government decides theyre a terrorist for fake or non existent reasons. Get your guns people with dark skin or non-European names, you'll probably need 'em over the next few years. He also threatened to send the alleged arsonist that burned teslas in Colorado there too - which are white American citizens. | ||
KwarK
United States42682 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23228 Posts
On March 22 2025 03:18 EnDeR_ wrote: GH: I did everything in my power, so absolutely, and it is not even close. Supporting genocide as a "lesser evil" just makes you deplorably genocidal. It doesn't make you an enlightened pragmatist, no matter what the propaganda tells you. My point there isn't really about the morality of it though. I mean, we literally have just had the Israeli government announce that they're about to annex Gaza, evict Palestinians and build casinos in their land. Can you genuinely still claim that 'not doing' everything in your power to prevent Trump was the morally superior choice? The point there is that the stupid trolley abstraction requires the user (provided a grade school level of competence) to be willfully oblivious/malicious to apply it. But even more importantly, that continuing to cling to this myth of the trolley framing prevents the person clinging to it from maturing politically in a way that prepares them for the moment we're facing. They'll keep rationalizing their support for what they describe as evil, destroying the more vulnerable people around them with this trolley nonsense until they find themselves on the tracks, and then it'll be too late. The only people left will be those that believe running them over is the only pragmatic and justifiable choice. | ||
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EnDeR_
Spain2692 Posts
All I recall you doing is undermining the only realistic opposition at every turn. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23228 Posts
On March 23 2025 01:58 EnDeR_ wrote: Define 'you did everything in your power' to stop Trump. All I recall you doing is undermining the only realistic opposition at every turn. GH: I've covered this before. On February 15 2025 05:59 GreenHorizons wrote: I already pointed out, with receipts, that I was saying that in order for Democrats to win, they needed to be better (regardless of whether they could get my vote or not). Your [recollections] aren't supported by the record/facts, making your conclusions anything but logical. + Show Spoiler + I agree that we probably all should have been supporting a general strike all the back to the occupy movement, but sorta like with the planting a tree thing, the next best time to do it is today. | ||
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EnDeR_
Spain2692 Posts
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KwarK
United States42682 Posts
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Laurens
Belgium4541 Posts
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9647 Posts
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Excludos
Norway8075 Posts
On March 23 2025 02:49 Jockmcplop wrote: Oh look its this argument again, where people insist that the Democrats ran a perfect campaign and did everything right, if only the pesky voters didn't all think they were absolutely shit. I think literally no one is saying that. But in terms of severity, people are choosing "cannibalism of small babies" over "bike theft" (Analogy, not saying republicans are cannibals...probably). It should be such an obvious easy choice if you had even an iota of empathy and interest in whatever was going on outside the 4 walls of your own home. Do I like bike thieves or think they are perfect? Not in the slightest. But I wouldn't blame them for people choosing cannibals instead. It makes zero sense It's genuine insane to me that people keep blaming democrats for the problems that republicans and their voters are causing. When Democrats are in power, I will be the first one to blame them for their insufficiencies, as I have many times in the past (I'm not a cultist, unlike a lot of people in the US right now). But right now it makes no sense to do so, they are not in power; Republicans are | ||
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micronesia
United States24680 Posts
* replacement by a better party also counts imo | ||
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Billyboy
1016 Posts
On March 22 2025 14:10 Zambrah wrote: Damn, I really need to get a gun, I dont have the right name to feel safe in this sort of situation lmao. Gonna have to really rely on the ol white skin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vvv0_aVTzlI&ab_channel=LegalEagle Basically, Trump deported some people to a hardcore prison in El Salvadore by claiming they were gang member terrorists. The problem being that, as one might expect, at least some of them absolutely weren't and they have no evidence proving they were. Their argument for their lack of evidence being that because they had no evidence it was proof that they were just like super smart terrorists. A judge ordered them not to and they were like, "lul too late hes already gone bruh." Real serious gestapo shit, this. No due process, so we're hitting that territory where anyone can be spirited away to a concentration camp if the government decides theyre a terrorist for fake or non existent reasons. Get your guns people with dark skin or non-European names, you'll probably need 'em over the next few years. Well I agree with the sentiment, getting guns is a bad idea. These people are going to be super out gunned and if they happen to succeed and take one with them it is just gonna make the ICE people shoot first and the foxnews/Trump/Tucker?so on are going to use it as justification. The only chance is to organize mass protest. And it is going to be hard because likely it is going to need to happen with low to know technology since all the tech bros appear to be on the side that thinks mass deportations is OK, even if it is the wrong people. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11507 Posts
On March 23 2025 02:54 Excludos wrote: I think literally no one is saying that. But in terms of severity, people are choosing "cannibalism of small babies" over "bike theft" (Analogy, not saying republicans are cannibals...probably). It should be such an obvious easy choice if you had even an iota of empathy and interest in whatever was going on outside the 4 walls of your own home. Do I like bike thieves or think they are perfect? Not in the slightest. But I wouldn't blame them for people choosing cannibals instead. It makes zero sense It's genuine insane to me that people keep blaming democrats for the problems that republicans and their voters are causing. When Democrats are in power, I will be the first one to blame them for their insufficiencies, as I have many times in the past (I'm not a cultist, unlike a lot of people in the US right now). But right now it makes no sense to do so, they are not in power; Republicans are Agreed. The core theory of a two-party system is that you vote for the less bad party, until the other party changes. In the US, this means that everyone should vote for democrats until republicans either disintegrate or turn into a party that is better than the democrats. The core problem is that that doesn't happen. If 80% of people were to vote for the only party that isn't lead by insane grifting fascists, this opens up room for another sane party that is maybe even positive, and not just "not insane grifting fascists". But they don't. They vote for the insane grifting fascists instead. Democrats aren't a good party. They would not be my first choice here in Germany, where we have other parties. And i can imagine quite a few parties that i would agree with even more than with any party here in Germany. But if there are only two options, you choose the better one of the two, even if it is not good. That is clearly the best EV play. And no sane person can view republicans as better. But honestly, the problem in the US are not the people who voted democrat, and not even the people who skipped the election. The problem is that people genuinely voted for fucking Donald Trump and his republicans. That is the core problem. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium4768 Posts
They're a party with appalling stances and are very easily swayed by where the wind is blowing most. As with the current MAGA wave, they've been nothing but showing their bellies as to not be mauled to death. If widespread support would have been more outspoken before the election by all the Dems supporters, or non MAGA supporters, we might've had a series of events where Dems did some introspection, ousted the players that are just there to play along and played for the status quo at best. They could've formed an offense where inspired people could be drawn towards. Change needed to happen anyway, but the Dems didn't see it. They flanted their "chugging it along" ethic, without understanding an impeding governmental and societal crisis was hanging over their heads. They knew all that. They didn't act accordingly. Even with all that you can STILL say, yes, voting Dems was objectively better than voting Reps or letting Reps win by not voting, but it's a hard principled choice where sometimes, to get a fire started, you need a spark. I completely understand his choice, especially now that I'm seeing how feeble the Dems basically are. They're a party with no identity, they have no bite and no fight. If they can't find some strategic way of combating the MAGA narrative that is so, so entrenched right now, your country is a completely lost cause. I'm not kidding. Far right has a way of biting hard and not letting go, right up to the point where it inevitably self destructs (because it certainly will). The only positive you have here is that the pace of the destruction is so fast, that they might self destruct that much sooner. Yay. | ||
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