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On February 14 2025 04:26 Uldridge wrote: Luckily literally all your current problems will be gone in 4 years.
The rise of many dictatorships start where people are supposed to resign after a certain period of time, only to find a way to change legislation so that they may stay as long as they want.
Should Trump start talking about extending his stay, perhaps due to some "turbulence in society at said moment", all alarms should go off.
And he's been talking about wanting at least three terms for years now; this was from 4 years ago:
Would you (anyone really) want Democrats to run against him, or draw a line and say that he's not going to be a 3-term president under any conditions?
I don't want Democrats to run against him again, because he'll always have a decent chance of winning. The dumbest thing that Democrats could do is "allow" him to run again, thinking that he's run out of steam or that Republicans will stop supporting him just because of something as "trivial" as the Constitution saying that what he's doing is illegal. They don't care. He shouldn't be allowed to become president a third time, because it's against the law.
I'd love for Democrats to enforce the Constitution, if need be, but I imagine that some Republicans would also need to align themselves with the Democrats and stand up to Trump, and I don't see that ever happening. I think the simplest, easiest, most realistic way that Trump doesn't run for a third time is if he - and only he - decides that he doesn't want to be president anymore. Eventually, he'll get too tired and too old and too bored and too annoyed at dealing with elections and presidencies, and he'll stop (or die)... hopefully, this happens by 2027 or 2028.
The way you phrased that gives me the impression that your plan is to reluctantly/emphatically support whatever "Democrat" runs against Trump in 2028, unless he (and/or his health) decides against having a third term. Is that accurate?
I won't be voting for Trump or any other Republican alternative/nominee, regardless of Trump's decision/health. That much I know for sure.
As far as who I'll end up voting for, there's a very good chance that it'll end up being the Democratic nominee - whoever it is - which is why I think it's important to get involved during the primary and support my preferred Democratic candidate (no idea who will be running just yet). The Democratic party's leadership deserves plenty of criticism from this past election, but that doesn't mean I consider them as bad for our country as the Republican party. I'm also open to seeing if there are any super popular third-party candidates that resonate with me and have a chance at winning, though I'm skeptical based on what I've seen from previous elections. I know you and I have different perspectives on election aspects like whether or not we ought to vote for the lesser of two evils, or which issues ought to be dealbreakers for our votes, and that's fine.
I hope that helps clarify my position!
It does and I do appreciate it. I do feel it reinforces my previous analysis of lib/Dem/their supporters politics in this moment as fundamentally delusional, ahistorical, and insane.
I sincerely don't mean that pejoratively, but I can't even wrap my mind around how you imagine a scenario where Trump is running for a 3rd term and you believe there's a meaningful election against him for Democrats to win. That sounds literally unbelievable to me.
Would you say that in that scenario Trump would have crossed one of your red lines?
Obviously, and I don't expect libs/Dem/their supporters, myself, or anyone else to go straight from voting Dem to your preferred playing GTA solutions. Just draw a line for when they replace voting for Democrats as their primary plan, which I don't know if I can give you credit for doing or not?
On February 14 2025 11:00 Sermokala wrote: You think that GH would then try to not get him elected to a third term or do you think he would be doing his same old shtick of putting all his energy and time into helping him win?
Its very weird for him to act like he's still above trump and the consequences of people trying their best to push voters away from Harris.
I wasn't going to vote for Democrats because I know it would be fundamentally delusional, ahistorical, (useless,) and insane for me to do so.
I certainly want everyone to recognize that. Then we can move on toward finding real plans/solutions to the rising tide of fascism. My point before the primary, through the election, was that Democrats needed to be better if they wanted to win. Demanding people be delusional/ahistorical/insane/genocidal and support their incessant shittiness through lesser evilism would fail and put us all in jeopardy.
Turns out that was true and their supporters are very bitter since they were so catastrophically wrong.
I made a fun GOP Values Menu which if you are still a supporter of Trump or America First, you cant have these entrees anymore
ENTREES
Value our institutions: UNAVAILABLE The FBI, CIA, and Academia are totally corrupt, replace them with DOGE.
Marketplace of ideas: UNAVAILABLE CRT and DEI must be banned. Ban certain words from scientific research and grant funding. Political Correctness and Thought Police are good, actually.
Send us your weak and weary: UNAVAILABLE Build a wall against shithole countries.
Christian values: UNAVAILABLE Grab 'em by the pu**y. Refugees and asylum seekers should be placed in concentration camps. Jesus was woke.
Separation of church and state: UNAVAILABLE
Christian nationalism is good. Religion should be in public schools.
Democracy and western values should be the shining beacon: UNAVAILABLE
Russia is good, Putin is brilliant and we should not support Ukraine / democracy abroad.
Support our Allies: UNAVAILABLE Threaten to annex Canada, Greenland and Mexico. Praise Putin, Xi, and any authoritarian nation state. NATO is our enemy.
The party of law and order: UNAVAILABLE Support the convicted felon and adjudicated rapist. Ignore court orders and judges who defy Trump. Target those judges and remove them. Having three equal branches of government defies the Mandate from Heaven given to Trump, our Holy Aspect Emperor.
Support veterans: UNAVAILABLE
We like war heroes who were not shot down. Vote against veteran’s healthcare funding. Remove trans service members from the military.
Support the Constitution: UNAVAILABLE
Delete any amendment that we don't like. Change any that allows Trump to run for a third time.
Free Speech and the press: UNAVAILABLE
The media is the enemy of the people. Journalists and media who are critical of Trump need to be shut down.
United we stand divided we fall: UNAVAILABLE
Send less funds to blue states hit by natural disasters. Put more funds in red states which have higher birth rates.
The Deep State: UNAVAILABLE Elon should be in charge of every new hire, and make sure DOGE makes federal workers loyal to the party and Trump. The Bolsheviks were so evil with their one party system, thats why we need a one party system to stop the left's one party system.
Liberals are in fairy land, such snowflakes: The Woke-Mind-Virus is the greatest threat to humanity.
Facts dont care about your feelings: Science that says climate change is manmade or that there are trans and intersex people is woke (and should be banned). Violent crime is up despite all the records which say otherwise
All Lives Matter: Does not apply to trans people, nor refugees or women who cannot have bodily autonomy.
Be Patriotic: And by that we mean, remove the rights of as many Americans as possible, and crash our economy so that the Oligarchs can consolidate power. Some Americans are more equal than others.
On February 14 2025 13:17 Husyelt wrote: I made a fun GOP Values Menu which if you are still a supporter of Trump or America First, you cant have these entrees anymore
ENTREES
Value our institutions: UNAVAILABLE The FBI, CIA, and Academia are totally corrupt, replace them with DOGE.
Marketplace of ideas: UNAVAILABLE CRT and DEI must be banned. Ban certain words from scientific research and grant funding. Political Correctness and Thought Police are good, actually.
Send us your weak and weary: UNAVAILABLE Build a wall against shithole countries.
Christian values: UNAVAILABLE Grab 'em by the pu**y. Refugees and asylum seekers should be placed in concentration camps. Jesus was woke.
Separation of church and state: UNAVAILABLE
Christian nationalism is good. Religion should be in public schools.
Democracy and western values should be the shining beacon: UNAVAILABLE
Russia is good, Putin is brilliant and we should not support Ukraine / democracy abroad.
Support our Allies: UNAVAILABLE Threaten to annex Canada, Greenland and Mexico. Praise Putin, Xi, and any authoritarian nation state. NATO is our enemy.
The party of law and order: UNAVAILABLE Support the convicted felon and adjudicated rapist. Ignore court orders and judges who defy Trump. Target those judges and remove them. Having three equal branches of government defies the Mandate from Heaven given to Trump, our Holy Aspect Emperor.
Support veterans: UNAVAILABLE
We like war heroes who were not shot down. Vote against veteran’s healthcare funding. Remove trans service members from the military.
Support the Constitution: UNAVAILABLE
Delete any amendment that we don't like. Change any that allows Trump to run for a third time.
Free Speech and the press: UNAVAILABLE
The media is the enemy of the people. Journalists and media who are critical of Trump need to be shut down.
United we stand divided we fall: UNAVAILABLE
Send less funds to blue states hit by natural disasters. Put more funds in red states which have higher birth rates.
The Deep State: UNAVAILABLE Elon should be in charge of every new hire, and make sure DOGE makes federal workers loyal to the party and Trump. The Bolsheviks were so evil with their one party system, thats why we need a one party system to stop the left's one party system.
Liberals are in fairy land, such snowflakes: The Woke-Mind-Virus is the greatest threat to humanity.
Facts dont care about your feelings: Science that says climate change is manmade or that there are trans and intersex people is woke (and should be banned). Violent crime is up despite all the records which say otherwise
All Lives Matter: Does not apply to trans people, nor refugees or women who cannot have bodily autonomy.
Be Patriotic: And by that we mean, remove the rights of as many Americans as possible, and crash our economy so that the Oligarchs can consolidate power. Some Americans are more equal than others.
If it was for some work of dystopian fiction I’d say ‘bravo Husyelt, I’m interested to see where you go with this!’
Unfortunately you’re just observing stuff that is actually just happening, so minus points there.
On February 14 2025 04:26 Uldridge wrote: Luckily literally all your current problems will be gone in 4 years.
The rise of many dictatorships start where people are supposed to resign after a certain period of time, only to find a way to change legislation so that they may stay as long as they want.
Should Trump start talking about extending his stay, perhaps due to some "turbulence in society at said moment", all alarms should go off.
Would you (anyone really) want Democrats to run against him, or draw a line and say that he's not going to be a 3-term president under any conditions?
I don't want Democrats to run against him again, because he'll always have a decent chance of winning. The dumbest thing that Democrats could do is "allow" him to run again, thinking that he's run out of steam or that Republicans will stop supporting him just because of something as "trivial" as the Constitution saying that what he's doing is illegal. They don't care. He shouldn't be allowed to become president a third time, because it's against the law.
I'd love for Democrats to enforce the Constitution, if need be, but I imagine that some Republicans would also need to align themselves with the Democrats and stand up to Trump, and I don't see that ever happening. I think the simplest, easiest, most realistic way that Trump doesn't run for a third time is if he - and only he - decides that he doesn't want to be president anymore. Eventually, he'll get too tired and too old and too bored and too annoyed at dealing with elections and presidencies, and he'll stop (or die)... hopefully, this happens by 2027 or 2028.
The way you phrased that gives me the impression that your plan is to reluctantly/emphatically support whatever "Democrat" runs against Trump in 2028, unless he (and/or his health) decides against having a third term. Is that accurate?
I won't be voting for Trump or any other Republican alternative/nominee, regardless of Trump's decision/health. That much I know for sure.
As far as who I'll end up voting for, there's a very good chance that it'll end up being the Democratic nominee - whoever it is - which is why I think it's important to get involved during the primary and support my preferred Democratic candidate (no idea who will be running just yet). The Democratic party's leadership deserves plenty of criticism from this past election, but that doesn't mean I consider them as bad for our country as the Republican party. I'm also open to seeing if there are any super popular third-party candidates that resonate with me and have a chance at winning, though I'm skeptical based on what I've seen from previous elections. I know you and I have different perspectives on election aspects like whether or not we ought to vote for the lesser of two evils, or which issues ought to be dealbreakers for our votes, and that's fine.
I hope that helps clarify my position!
It does and I do appreciate it. I do feel it reinforces my previous analysis of lib/Dem/their supporters politics in this moment as fundamentally delusional, ahistorical, and insane.
I sincerely don't mean that pejoratively, but I can't even wrap my mind around how you imagine a scenario where Trump is running for a 3rd term and you believe there's a meaningful election against him for Democrats to win. That sounds literally unbelievable to me.
Would you say that in that scenario Trump would have crossed one of your red lines?
Obviously, and I don't expect libs/Dem/their supporters, myself, or anyone else to go straight from voting Dem to your preferred playing GTA solutions. Just draw a line for when they replace voting for Democrats as their primary plan, which I don't know if I can give you credit for doing or not?
On February 14 2025 11:00 Sermokala wrote: You think that GH would then try to not get him elected to a third term or do you think he would be doing his same old shtick of putting all his energy and time into helping him win?
Its very weird for him to act like he's still above trump and the consequences of people trying their best to push voters away from Harris.
I wasn't going to vote for Democrats because I know it would be fundamentally delusional, ahistorical, (useless,) and insane for me to do so.
I certainly want everyone to recognize that. Then we can move on toward finding real plans/solutions to the rising tide of fascism. My point before the primary, through the election, was that Democrats needed to be better if they wanted to win. Demanding people be delusional/ahistorical/insane/genocidal and support their incessant shittiness through lesser evilism would fail and put us all in jeopardy.
Turns out that was true and their supporters are very bitter since they were so catastrophically wrong.
Was voting to prevent the Fascists taking over not part of the plan or what?
Is the US closer to outright Fascism with Trump in charge or not? Is Gaza going to get better or worse terms?
Ok great, you’ve exorcised the demon of lesser evilism, fantastic, that’s excellent.
Now you and your ilk have to convince folks ‘ok we didn’t do the simplest thing possible to prevent an American Fascism out of moral purity. But now it’s up to you to do stuff, and if you don’t you’re a Fascist enabler.’ Stuff that’s considerably more involved than merely voting.
Fuck sake, I broadly agree with you but brass tacks that’s what you’re asking of people, and wondering why they’re not receptive
Why, incidentally in a previous missive I said ‘is it about stopping Facism, or something else?’
If it’s about stopping Fascism you maybe suck up some shit on the way.
You’re not advocating that. You’re advocating your preferred socioeconomic solutions, and if the Fascists being in power for a bit strengthens your case, well so be it.
On February 14 2025 06:19 Uldridge wrote: I was kind of mocking oBlade that all the shadow governmental swamp constructs will be cleared within Trump's term and we'll have a shining beacon of light once again - no diseases, no harmful food, no wars, stacked banks for everyone - thanks to the guy that knows absolutely squat about governmental structures and how or why they exist.
I assume this means Musk. If you're referring to the president it wouldn't be worth discussing because I guarantee the perspective of actually having been president gives him more insight and awareness than any single person in this thread about how the executive branch actually runs in reality. Unless Bush or Clinton or Obama are lurking here.
For Musk, most people in the government themselves have no idea what they are doing to begin with, or you are drastically overestimating government competence and efficiency. To the extent there is a "reason" things exist that isn't immediately justifiable and obvious, it's not a good thing at all. "Look, we made such a convoluted Rube Goldberg machine of extracting tax money and increasing debt and wasting/redistributing it that you need a PhD in 27B-6 just to enter the conversation." Not really convincing. It's not that hard for an open minded outsider who has no background of bureaucratic capture to sniff out the bullshit. The government is not, and not supposed to be, a giant machine where it just does the same thing and gives the same output no matter what interchangeable people you fill it with. It depends on an actual person with actual objectives leading actual people to do or not do certain things in order to achieve certain goals.
On February 14 2025 06:19 Uldridge wrote: I was kind of mocking oBlade that all the shadow governmental swamp constructs will be cleared within Trump's term and we'll have a shining beacon of light once again - no diseases, no harmful food, no wars, stacked banks for everyone - thanks to the guy that knows absolutely squat about governmental structures and how or why they exist.
I assume this means Musk. If you're referring to the president it wouldn't be worth discussing because I guarantee the perspective of actually having been president gives him more insight and awareness than any single person in this thread about how the executive branch actually runs in reality. Unless Bush or Clinton or Obama are lurking here.
For Musk, most people in the government themselves have no idea what they are doing to begin with, or you are drastically overestimating government competence and efficiency. To the extent there is a "reason" things exist that isn't immediately justifiable and obvious, it's not a good thing at all. "Look, we made such a convoluted Rube Goldberg machine of extracting tax money and increasing debt and wasting/redistributing it that you need a PhD in 27B-6 just to enter the conversation." Not really convincing. It's not that hard for an open minded outsider who has no background of bureaucratic capture to sniff out the bullshit. The government is not, and not supposed to be, a giant machine where it just does the same thing and gives the same output no matter what interchangeable people you fill it with. It depends on an actual person with actual objectives leading actual people to do or not do certain things in order to achieve certain goals.
This just made me wonder how widespread is this belief that people carrying out federal government functions are dimwits that can be easily replaced by the private sector. It's hard to come back from that if that genuinely becomes the norm.
I legitimately believe Trump has no more awareness or insight other than the fact that he's been high society all his life and therefor knows many influential people and has leverage due to him being high society by default. I'd give you the benefit of the doubt if the guy actually talked in depth details about something other then: "this thing, it's terrible you know, we're going to get rid of it and replace it with something terrific." It's nonsense car salesman bullshit.
Let's ask micronesia (I think, or was it Falling?), then shall we? I think he literally works for the government, which makes him part of the government. So... @micronesia (or Falling): do people in government really have no idea what they're doing and is it just all a giant Rube Goldberg machine?
I call bullshit. Musk is approaching government like all his business promotion. But in his businesses he heavily relies on engineers making it all work while he is only force them into taking huge risks and himself always overpromising.
Take off the shelf components to build cars and rockets..mostly burning money anyway.
Oh FSD isn't there, Teslas kill people, the human like robot is either a human in a costume, remote controlled by a human... or total crap, and Twitter lost 80% of it's value and the Starship doesn't land. Only thing that works is a downscaled version of the Spaceshuttle cockpit and re-usable booster rockets.
The regulations over regulations over regulations have all grown to make some stakeholder in this happy and to satisfy some other regulation elsewhere. Sure they look inefficient.. and maybe they are.. but they aren't a result of a shitty intentional design.. they are a result of year and years of legislation.
Musk isn't even bringing experts into this.
He will get rid of something important, and when he tries to fix it, will create a whole new mess of regulations over regulations... because it's complicated to satisfy all stakeholders.
Or he would just try to sell the non-working system as improvement. Like Twitter. Sure it's content moderation sucked for racists.. but now it's all racists and bots and basicly worthless as a business.
Him sueing people for not doing business with him.. is almost as pathetic as his speeches next to diaper donny.
Edit:
He also could rely on the idea that instead of regulations and employees... you can make everything an executive decision.
Which sounds effective.. until you discover the executives are having shitty inconsistent decisions.. and suddenly you need clerks to make the decisions consistent, and regulations to guide the clerks.. and then you are back to square 1.
On February 14 2025 06:19 Uldridge wrote: I was kind of mocking oBlade that all the shadow governmental swamp constructs will be cleared within Trump's term and we'll have a shining beacon of light once again - no diseases, no harmful food, no wars, stacked banks for everyone - thanks to the guy that knows absolutely squat about governmental structures and how or why they exist.
I assume this means Musk. If you're referring to the president it wouldn't be worth discussing because I guarantee the perspective of actually having been president gives him more insight and awareness than any single person in this thread about how the executive branch actually runs in reality. Unless Bush or Clinton or Obama are lurking here.
For Musk, most people in the government themselves have no idea what they are doing to begin with, or you are drastically overestimating government competence and efficiency. To the extent there is a "reason" things exist that isn't immediately justifiable and obvious, it's not a good thing at all. "Look, we made such a convoluted Rube Goldberg machine of extracting tax money and increasing debt and wasting/redistributing it that you need a PhD in 27B-6 just to enter the conversation." Not really convincing. It's not that hard for an open minded outsider who has no background of bureaucratic capture to sniff out the bullshit. The government is not, and not supposed to be, a giant machine where it just does the same thing and gives the same output no matter what interchangeable people you fill it with. It depends on an actual person with actual objectives leading actual people to do or not do certain things in order to achieve certain goals.
This just made me wonder how widespread is this belief that people carrying out federal government functions are dimwits that can be easily replaced by the private sector. It's hard to come back from that if that genuinely becomes the norm.
Becomes the norm? I'm fairly confident it already is the norm.
On February 14 2025 05:26 Incomplete..ReV wrote: [quote]
The rise of many dictatorships start where people are supposed to resign after a certain period of time, only to find a way to change legislation so that they may stay as long as they want.
Should Trump start talking about extending his stay, perhaps due to some "turbulence in society at said moment", all alarms should go off.
Would you (anyone really) want Democrats to run against him, or draw a line and say that he's not going to be a 3-term president under any conditions?
I don't want Democrats to run against him again, because he'll always have a decent chance of winning. The dumbest thing that Democrats could do is "allow" him to run again, thinking that he's run out of steam or that Republicans will stop supporting him just because of something as "trivial" as the Constitution saying that what he's doing is illegal. They don't care. He shouldn't be allowed to become president a third time, because it's against the law.
I'd love for Democrats to enforce the Constitution, if need be, but I imagine that some Republicans would also need to align themselves with the Democrats and stand up to Trump, and I don't see that ever happening. I think the simplest, easiest, most realistic way that Trump doesn't run for a third time is if he - and only he - decides that he doesn't want to be president anymore. Eventually, he'll get too tired and too old and too bored and too annoyed at dealing with elections and presidencies, and he'll stop (or die)... hopefully, this happens by 2027 or 2028.
The way you phrased that gives me the impression that your plan is to reluctantly/emphatically support whatever "Democrat" runs against Trump in 2028, unless he (and/or his health) decides against having a third term. Is that accurate?
I won't be voting for Trump or any other Republican alternative/nominee, regardless of Trump's decision/health. That much I know for sure.
As far as who I'll end up voting for, there's a very good chance that it'll end up being the Democratic nominee - whoever it is - which is why I think it's important to get involved during the primary and support my preferred Democratic candidate (no idea who will be running just yet). The Democratic party's leadership deserves plenty of criticism from this past election, but that doesn't mean I consider them as bad for our country as the Republican party. I'm also open to seeing if there are any super popular third-party candidates that resonate with me and have a chance at winning, though I'm skeptical based on what I've seen from previous elections. I know you and I have different perspectives on election aspects like whether or not we ought to vote for the lesser of two evils, or which issues ought to be dealbreakers for our votes, and that's fine.
I hope that helps clarify my position!
It does and I do appreciate it. I do feel it reinforces my previous analysis of lib/Dem/their supporters politics in this moment as fundamentally delusional, ahistorical, and insane.
I sincerely don't mean that pejoratively, but I can't even wrap my mind around how you imagine a scenario where Trump is running for a 3rd term and you believe there's a meaningful election against him for Democrats to win. That sounds literally unbelievable to me.
Would you say that in that scenario Trump would have crossed one of your red lines?
Obviously, and I don't expect libs/Dem/their supporters, myself, or anyone else to go straight from voting Dem to your preferred playing GTA solutions. Just draw a line for when they replace voting for Democrats as their primary plan, which I don't know if I can give you credit for doing or not?
On February 14 2025 11:00 Sermokala wrote: You think that GH would then try to not get him elected to a third term or do you think he would be doing his same old shtick of putting all his energy and time into helping him win?
Its very weird for him to act like he's still above trump and the consequences of people trying their best to push voters away from Harris.
I wasn't going to vote for Democrats because I know it would be fundamentally delusional, ahistorical, (useless,) and insane for me to do so.
I certainly want everyone to recognize that. Then we can move on toward finding real plans/solutions to the rising tide of fascism. My point before the primary, through the election, was that Democrats needed to be better if they wanted to win. Demanding people be delusional/ahistorical/insane/genocidal and support their incessant shittiness through lesser evilism would fail and put us all in jeopardy.
Turns out that was true and their supporters are very bitter since they were so catastrophically wrong.
Was voting to prevent the Fascists taking over not part of the plan or what? + Show Spoiler +
Is the US closer to outright Fascism with Trump in charge or not? Is Gaza going to get better or worse terms?
Ok great, you’ve exorcised the demon of lesser evilism, fantastic, that’s excellent.
Now you and your ilk have to convince folks ‘ok we didn’t do the simplest thing possible to prevent an American Fascism out of moral purity. But now it’s up to you to do stuff, and if you don’t you’re a Fascist enabler.’ Stuff that’s considerably more involved than merely voting.
Fuck sake, I broadly agree with you but brass tacks that’s what you’re asking of people, and wondering why they’re not receptive
Why, incidentally in a previous missive I said ‘is it about stopping Facism, or something else?’
If it’s about stopping Fascism you maybe suck up some shit on the way.
You’re not advocating that. You’re advocating your preferred socioeconomic solutions, and if the Fascists being in power for a bit strengthens your case, well so be it.
I did, unfortunately most people voted for genocide and fascism. Democrats/libs/their supporters think that means we should have genocide and fascism as part of some asinine democracy absolutism tolerance paradox.
On February 14 2025 15:38 KwarK wrote: @GH So what is your primary plan now that your red line has been crossed?
Organize with my comrades. A specific (but non-comprehensive) example of something we're organizing toward would be a general strike.
On February 14 2025 13:17 Husyelt wrote: I made a fun GOP Values Menu which if you are still a supporter of Trump or America First, you cant have these entrees anymore + Show Spoiler +
ENTREES
Value our institutions: UNAVAILABLE The FBI, CIA, and Academia are totally corrupt, replace them with DOGE.
Marketplace of ideas: UNAVAILABLE CRT and DEI must be banned. Ban certain words from scientific research and grant funding. Political Correctness and Thought Police are good, actually.
Send us your weak and weary: UNAVAILABLE Build a wall against shithole countries.
Christian values: UNAVAILABLE Grab 'em by the pu**y. Refugees and asylum seekers should be placed in concentration camps. Jesus was woke.
Separation of church and state: UNAVAILABLE
Christian nationalism is good. Religion should be in public schools.
Democracy and western values should be the shining beacon: UNAVAILABLE
Russia is good, Putin is brilliant and we should not support Ukraine / democracy abroad.
Support our Allies: UNAVAILABLE Threaten to annex Canada, Greenland and Mexico. Praise Putin, Xi, and any authoritarian nation state. NATO is our enemy.
The party of law and order: UNAVAILABLE Support the convicted felon and adjudicated rapist. Ignore court orders and judges who defy Trump. Target those judges and remove them. Having three equal branches of government defies the Mandate from Heaven given to Trump, our Holy Aspect Emperor.
Support veterans: UNAVAILABLE
We like war heroes who were not shot down. Vote against veteran’s healthcare funding. Remove trans service members from the military.
Support the Constitution: UNAVAILABLE
Delete any amendment that we don't like. Change any that allows Trump to run for a third time.
Free Speech and the press: UNAVAILABLE
The media is the enemy of the people. Journalists and media who are critical of Trump need to be shut down.
United we stand divided we fall: UNAVAILABLE
Send less funds to blue states hit by natural disasters. Put more funds in red states which have higher birth rates.
The Deep State: UNAVAILABLE Elon should be in charge of every new hire, and make sure DOGE makes federal workers loyal to the party and Trump. The Bolsheviks were so evil with their one party system, thats why we need a one party system to stop the left's one party system.
Liberals are in fairy land, such snowflakes: The Woke-Mind-Virus is the greatest threat to humanity.
Facts dont care about your feelings: Science that says climate change is manmade or that there are trans and intersex people is woke (and should be banned). Violent crime is up despite all the records which say otherwise
All Lives Matter: Does not apply to trans people, nor refugees or women who cannot have bodily autonomy.
Be Patriotic: And by that we mean, remove the rights of as many Americans as possible, and crash our economy so that the Oligarchs can consolidate power. Some Americans are more equal than others.
I was thinking about this as well, every single principle they ever pretended to hold was bullshit, they were just empty words to use in arguments, a means to an end. But even that end is so distorted now that it's a parody of itself. Supposedly they were willing to do anything to protect "western values" (or "generations of successful people" as our forum Nazi enthusiast put it), the western values where we harass a bishop for telling a petty tyrant to be merciful and we applaud a rapist for hurting the people we don't like.
Absolute filth of a movement taking advantage of every bias and flaw in human cognition.
Oh and you forgot fiscal conservatism, they're ok with raising debt by trillions as long as the money goes to oligarchs instead of filthy poors.
The funniest thing about FSD is that it’s practically impossible because Elon Musk is so stupid, impulsive and petty that he stripped LiDAR out of Teslas because he is actually that stupid. So you’ve got a whole bunch of Tesla owners who’ve basically given Tesla free cash to not deliver on their so called promise of full automation/robotaxi investment.
Luminar‘s solution is like $500 per unit and that price obviously goes down if Tesla buys enough units. You can’t tell me a premium EV auto product with baked in software DLC couldn’t afford LiDAR. But because Musk did a petty captain’s call in the technology, they’re absolutely never backtracking for the Series 3 or Y. That would mean Musk was wrong about something in life.
Musk is the perfect confidence man. He speaks with complete confidence on every topic that you assume that he is the modern day renaissance man. He has to know everything about cars, rockets, tunnels, the inner workings of the government, video games, chess, or rescuing kids from a flooded tunnel.
Obviously someone who is the founder of Tesla, SpaceX, PayPal is way smarter than the common man. Surely his success is due to his technical ability and not his immense wealth and obsession with hijacking the achievements of others for his personal gain.
A lot of people give him the benefit of doubt until he talks about a topic people actually know about like software engineering, transportation or Path of Exile 2. Then the illusion shatters and you wonder if he is lying about everything else he claims to know if he lies so poorly yet confidently about something as simple as a video game.
And the cycle continues. Lex Friedman and Joe Rogan might gasp in astonishment when Musk tells them he’s top 10 at Diablo 4 or Path to Exile 2 but people who have played either game for even a couple of hours are wondering if this guy can even tie his own shoelaces in the morning with the ineptness he is willing to show the world.
And you believe your plan of getting Americans to engage in a general strike is more likely to work than the plan of voting Trump out? Kinda feels a little like you're content to sit back and do nothing about ethnic cleansing. But if it makes you feel better to tell yourself that as long as you're working towards the organization of working towards a general strike then you're probably not complicit then good for you.
Personally I could never just sit by and accept it if one of my red lines were crossed like that but not everyone cares as much about the Palestinians as I do hashtag sobrave.
And you believe your plan of getting Americans to engage in a general strike is more likely to work than the plan of voting Trump out?
I believe getting ~10,000,000 people to engage in a general strike is necessary.
Voting Trump out isn't even maybe an option until years from now anyway. It's like planning to order buckets to throw water out the window to deal with the several feet of standing water in the house from regional flooding. As a plan it fundamentally doesn't understand the nature of the problem.
They discussion with GH has been going on for at least 15 years. He keeps saying the same stuff. People keep answering the same stuff. The same stuff leads to the same impass. Rince and repeat.
To me the problem is that at the foundation of this discussion, there is an unrecognized fact, which is that the political offer in the US reflects the American people, the American mentalities and the American culture. And that’s harder to change than organizing a general strike.
Just as one example. Billionaire oligarchs don’t have to worry about socialism in the US, there is no room for socialism in a country where people are absolutely obsessed with money and see it as a universal marker for success. And so on and so forth.
And you believe your plan of getting Americans to engage in a general strike is more likely to work than the plan of voting Trump out?
I believe getting ~10,000,000 people to engage in a general strike is necessary.
Voting Trump out isn't even maybe an option until years from now anyway. It's like planning to order buckets to throw water out the window to deal with the several feet of standing water in the house from regional flooding. As a plan it fundamentally doesn't understand the nature of the problem.
So you believe that Trump is both a fascist and also that you should allow him to stay in power, day after day, week after week, enacting his fascist policies and genociding the people of Palestine while you work on your strike. And then you think that once you've got 10m people to engage in a general strike, which incidentally will never happen, it'll somehow defeat fascism? Because Trump is presumably both a genocidal fascist and also at the mercy of strikes. It's just like that time when Hitler was defeated by organized German labour. I wish I had your gift for self deception, it must be so nice to believe in such things.
And you believe your plan of getting Americans to engage in a general strike is more likely to work than the plan of voting Trump out?
I believe getting ~10,000,000 people to engage in a general strike is necessary.
Voting Trump out isn't even maybe an option until years from now anyway. It's like planning to order buckets to throw water out the window to deal with the several feet of standing water in the house from regional flooding. As a plan it fundamentally doesn't understand the nature of the problem.
So you believe that Trump is both a fascist and also that you should allow him to stay in power+ Show Spoiler +
, day after day, week after week, enacting his fascist policies and genociding the people of Palestine while you work on your strike. And then you think that once you've got 10m people to engage in a general strike, which incidentally will never happen, it'll somehow defeat fascism? Because Trump is presumably both a genocidal fascist and also at the mercy of strikes. It's just like that time when Hitler was defeated by organized German labour. I wish I had your gift for self deception, it must be so nice to believe in such things.
No. I believe organizing with my comrades towards a general strike (along with plenty of other activities) is a better use of time and energy than dissuading people from doing that like a fascist would.
And you believe your plan of getting Americans to engage in a general strike is more likely to work than the plan of voting Trump out?
I believe getting ~10,000,000 people to engage in a general strike is necessary.
Voting Trump out isn't even maybe an option until years from now anyway. It's like planning to order buckets to throw water out the window to deal with the several feet of standing water in the house from regional flooding. As a plan it fundamentally doesn't understand the nature of the problem.
So you believe that Trump is both a fascist and also that you should allow him to stay in power+ Show Spoiler +
, day after day, week after week, enacting his fascist policies and genociding the people of Palestine while you work on your strike. And then you think that once you've got 10m people to engage in a general strike, which incidentally will never happen, it'll somehow defeat fascism? Because Trump is presumably both a genocidal fascist and also at the mercy of strikes. It's just like that time when Hitler was defeated by organized German labour. I wish I had your gift for self deception, it must be so nice to believe in such things.
No. I believe organizing with my comrades towards a general strike (along with plenty of other activities) is a better use of time and energy than dissuading people from doing that like a fascist would.
This sounds like an excuse to hang out with your buddies. You're not serious about stopping fascism, even your "solutions" don't actually involve stopping anything. What you're doing basically makes you a willing accomplice to everything bad that happens from here on. You knew what they were doing, you knew what they were going to do, but you choose to hang out with your friends instead. If you ever wondered what you'd do if you were in 1940 Germany then you now have your answer and it's not a great look.
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