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Trump's presidency has a relatively inactive military history, no? From the outside looking in, I'm far more afraid of the US imploding under Trump than I am Trump deciding to nuke someone.
What is your immediate concern with Trump being back in charge of the nuclear arsenal?
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On September 06 2023 09:04 Fleetfeet wrote:
Trump's presidency has a relatively inactive military history, no? From the outside looking in, I'm far more afraid of the US imploding under Trump than I am Trump deciding to nuke someone.
What is your immediate concern with Trump being back in charge of the nuclear arsenal?
Inaction is an action. When Obama chose to suck off Putin and hand him Crimea, he was making a military decision.
There are factions in the world and they are each seeking control. We have a wealth of reason to believe Trump would choose personal enrichment over the long-term health and security of the country and the planet as a whole.
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On September 06 2023 09:04 Fleetfeet wrote:
Trump's presidency has a relatively inactive military history, no? From the outside looking in, I'm far more afraid of the US imploding under Trump than I am Trump deciding to nuke someone.
What is your immediate concern with Trump being back in charge of the nuclear arsenal?
The "relatively" would be doing a lot of work considering the US is basically always bombing ~half a dozen countries and has illegally assassinated a lot of prominent foreign figures so his illegal assassination of Qasem Soleimani would have to be measured against that.
That aside, it's mostly just that if you sincerely believe Trump/Republicans are fascists, then giving them control of the most powerful military in the world and a nuclear arsenal that could make it uninhabitable strikes me as ill advised to say the least.
That people's plan would be to just win a future election against fascists that have been spending decades systematically disenfranchising people strikes me as asinine.
The absurdity is only magnified by the context that the guy is also a twice impeached insurrectionist that only failed to throw out election results showing him lose because he picked the wrong lackey for VP.
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United States43353 Posts
Of course it’s ill advised. Do you have a better plan? 99% of your posts are along the lines of:
Person A says “this sucks but it’s the result of structural issues that can’t be remedied and so it’s outside of my control, even though it’s undeniably bad”
You respond “how come you, and also the Democrats, are deliberately imposing this thing which I have come to a unique understanding is actually bad but you guys don’t know that because you’re not special like me”
We all see the problems. They’re not exactly hard to see. You have no unique insight into them.
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On September 07 2023 01:03 KwarK wrote:
Of course it’s ill advised. Do you have a better plan? 99% of your posts are along the lines of:
Person A says “this sucks but it’s the result of structural issues that can’t be remedied and so it’s outside of my control, even though it’s undeniably bad”
You respond “how come you, and also the Democrats, are deliberately imposing this thing which I have come to a unique understanding is actually bad but you guys don’t know that because you’re not special like me”
We all see the problems. They’re not exactly hard to see. You have no unique insight into them.
Better than raging at and shaming oppressed people that need Democrats to do better/more to shut up and fall in line a year before the nominating convention? Yeah lol. Just not doing that would be a step up.
Better than that might be joining and amplifying a chorus of people saying "yeah, they DO need to do better if they want to win in 2024" even if you ultimately plan on telling them to shut up and fall in line like you in 2024.
Better than might be actually believing it and treating it like something that mattered to oneself to put real pressure on Democrats to do more than be not-Republicans that vaguely impede a progressing Republican led march into fascism.
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On September 07 2023 01:37 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2023 01:03 KwarK wrote:
Of course it’s ill advised. Do you have a better plan? 99% of your posts are along the lines of:
Person A says “this sucks but it’s the result of structural issues that can’t be remedied and so it’s outside of my control, even though it’s undeniably bad”
You respond “how come you, and also the Democrats, are deliberately imposing this thing which I have come to a unique understanding is actually bad but you guys don’t know that because you’re not special like me”
We all see the problems. They’re not exactly hard to see. You have no unique insight into them. Better than raging at and shaming oppressed people that need Democrats to do better/more to shut up and fall in line a year before the nominating convention? Yeah lol. Just not doing that would be a step up. Better than that might be joining and amplifying a chorus of people saying "yeah, they DO need to do better if they want to win in 2024" even if you ultimately plan on telling them to shut up and fall in line like you in 2024. Better than might be actually believing it and treating it like something that mattered to oneself to put real pressure on Democrats to do more than be not-Republicans that vaguely impede a progressing Republican led march into fascism. Note the complete lack of an answer to the question "Do you have a better plan".
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On September 07 2023 01:38 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2023 01:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 07 2023 01:03 KwarK wrote:
Of course it’s ill advised. Do you have a better plan? 99% of your posts are along the lines of:
Person A says “this sucks but it’s the result of structural issues that can’t be remedied and so it’s outside of my control, even though it’s undeniably bad”
You respond “how come you, and also the Democrats, are deliberately imposing this thing which I have come to a unique understanding is actually bad but you guys don’t know that because you’re not special like me”
We all see the problems. They’re not exactly hard to see. You have no unique insight into them. Better than raging at and shaming oppressed people that need Democrats to do better/more to shut up and fall in line a year before the nominating convention? Yeah lol. Just not doing that would be a step up. Better than that might be joining and amplifying a chorus of people saying "yeah, they DO need to do better if they want to win in 2024" even if you ultimately plan on telling them to shut up and fall in line like you in 2024. Better than might be actually believing it and treating it like something that mattered to oneself to put real pressure on Democrats to do more than be not-Republicans that vaguely impede a progressing Republican led march into fascism. Note the complete lack of an answer to the question "Do you have a better plan".
It's literally a better plan.
Kwark+others plan: raging at and shaming people to shut up and fall in line behind a guy ~75% of the country thinks is too old for the job a year before the party nomination to avoid the potential of Democrats voluntarily handing fascists command of the strongest military in the world with the capacity to make it uninhabitable.
Better/non-idiotic plan: join in on demanding Democrats do better/more to improve their own probability of beating Trump so they don't choose to hand fascists command of the strongest military on the planet with the capacity to make it uninhabitable.
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On September 07 2023 02:00 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2023 01:38 Gorsameth wrote:On September 07 2023 01:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 07 2023 01:03 KwarK wrote:
Of course it’s ill advised. Do you have a better plan? 99% of your posts are along the lines of:
Person A says “this sucks but it’s the result of structural issues that can’t be remedied and so it’s outside of my control, even though it’s undeniably bad”
You respond “how come you, and also the Democrats, are deliberately imposing this thing which I have come to a unique understanding is actually bad but you guys don’t know that because you’re not special like me”
We all see the problems. They’re not exactly hard to see. You have no unique insight into them. Better than raging at and shaming oppressed people that need Democrats to do better/more to shut up and fall in line a year before the nominating convention? Yeah lol. Just not doing that would be a step up. Better than that might be joining and amplifying a chorus of people saying "yeah, they DO need to do better if they want to win in 2024" even if you ultimately plan on telling them to shut up and fall in line like you in 2024. Better than might be actually believing it and treating it like something that mattered to oneself to put real pressure on Democrats to do more than be not-Republicans that vaguely impede a progressing Republican led march into fascism. Note the complete lack of an answer to the question "Do you have a better plan". It's literally a better plan. Kwark+others plan: raging at and shaming people to shut up and fall in line behind a guy ~75% of the country thinks is too old for the job a year before the party nomination to avoid the potential of Democrats voluntarily handing fascists command of the strongest military in the world with the capacity to make it uninhabitable. Better/non-idiotic plan: join in on demanding Democrats do better/more to improve their own probability of beating Trump so they don't choose to hand fascists command of the strongest military on the planet with the capacity to make it uninhabitable.
I think the core question is timing.
Right now, absolutely demand that the democrats put up someone better than Biden. Ideally have a good candidate, and push for them.
But most people talk about when the election happens. And when the election happens and it is Biden vs Trump, voting Biden is the only sane choice. At that point, you have 3 different options. Trump, Biden, or not voting/voting for someone else (which is basically half a vote for both). Sure, it would be better if other options existed, but if that is the situation on election day, then those better options don't exist, and you have to choose one of those 3 options.
You can still do all of the other stuff. No one is saying that you shouldn't. Voting is a 15 minute thing. It doesn't prevent you from doing other stuff.
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On September 07 2023 02:00 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2023 01:38 Gorsameth wrote:On September 07 2023 01:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 07 2023 01:03 KwarK wrote:
Of course it’s ill advised. Do you have a better plan? 99% of your posts are along the lines of:
Person A says “this sucks but it’s the result of structural issues that can’t be remedied and so it’s outside of my control, even though it’s undeniably bad”
You respond “how come you, and also the Democrats, are deliberately imposing this thing which I have come to a unique understanding is actually bad but you guys don’t know that because you’re not special like me”
We all see the problems. They’re not exactly hard to see. You have no unique insight into them. Better than raging at and shaming oppressed people that need Democrats to do better/more to shut up and fall in line a year before the nominating convention? Yeah lol. Just not doing that would be a step up. Better than that might be joining and amplifying a chorus of people saying "yeah, they DO need to do better if they want to win in 2024" even if you ultimately plan on telling them to shut up and fall in line like you in 2024. Better than might be actually believing it and treating it like something that mattered to oneself to put real pressure on Democrats to do more than be not-Republicans that vaguely impede a progressing Republican led march into fascism. Note the complete lack of an answer to the question "Do you have a better plan". It's literally a better plan. Kwark+others plan: raging at and shaming people to shut up and fall in line behind a guy ~75% of the country thinks is too old for the job a year before the party nomination to avoid the potential of Democrats voluntarily handing fascists command of the strongest military in the world with the capacity to make it uninhabitable. Better/non-idiotic plan: join in on demanding Democrats do better/more to improve their own probability of beating Trump so they don't choose to hand fascists command of the strongest military on the planet with the capacity to make it uninhabitable.
Then you'd be here complaining about the Democrats trying to appease the undecided voters and the non-Trumpist Republicans.
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On September 07 2023 02:18 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2023 02:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 07 2023 01:38 Gorsameth wrote:On September 07 2023 01:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 07 2023 01:03 KwarK wrote:
Of course it’s ill advised. Do you have a better plan? 99% of your posts are along the lines of:
Person A says “this sucks but it’s the result of structural issues that can’t be remedied and so it’s outside of my control, even though it’s undeniably bad”
You respond “how come you, and also the Democrats, are deliberately imposing this thing which I have come to a unique understanding is actually bad but you guys don’t know that because you’re not special like me”
We all see the problems. They’re not exactly hard to see. You have no unique insight into them. Better than raging at and shaming oppressed people that need Democrats to do better/more to shut up and fall in line a year before the nominating convention? Yeah lol. Just not doing that would be a step up. Better than that might be joining and amplifying a chorus of people saying "yeah, they DO need to do better if they want to win in 2024" even if you ultimately plan on telling them to shut up and fall in line like you in 2024. Better than might be actually believing it and treating it like something that mattered to oneself to put real pressure on Democrats to do more than be not-Republicans that vaguely impede a progressing Republican led march into fascism. Note the complete lack of an answer to the question "Do you have a better plan". It's literally a better plan. Kwark+others plan: raging at and shaming people to shut up and fall in line behind a guy ~75% of the country thinks is too old for the job a year before the party nomination to avoid the potential of Democrats voluntarily handing fascists command of the strongest military in the world with the capacity to make it uninhabitable. Better/non-idiotic plan: join in on demanding Democrats do better/more to improve their own probability of beating Trump so they don't choose to hand fascists command of the strongest military on the planet with the capacity to make it uninhabitable. I think the core question is timing. + Show Spoiler +Right now, absolutely demand that the democrats put up someone better than Biden. Ideally have a good candidate, and push for them.
But most people talk about when the election happens. And when the election happens and it is Biden vs Trump, voting Biden is the only sane choice. At that point, you have 3 different options. Trump, Biden, or not voting/voting for someone else (which is basically half a vote for both). Sure, it would be better if other options existed, but if that is the situation on election day, then those better options don't exist, and you have to choose one of those 3 options.
You can still do all of the other stuff. No one is saying that you shouldn't. Voting is a 15 minute thing. It doesn't prevent you from doing other stuff.
I am not saying people shouldn't vote.
I'm saying that rather than trying to rageshame people into believing they don't have a choice but to shut up and fall in line a year out from the party nomination. People (particularly those that claim "leftist/progressive" type labels) should be demanding Democrats do better/more to help the people whose votes they insist they are simply entitled to.
This premature rageshaming of people to shut up and fall in line is an important part of keeping people on the Democrat hamster wheel though.
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Northern Ireland26224 Posts
I mean people characterise GH as unpragmatic and utopian quite frequently here.
But the tenor of the acceptable plan to keep a Trump who patently has transgressed various boundaries is to just hope he doesn’t win an election?
It’s a damning indictment of the checks and balances within the system that thus far he’s even able to run in the first place.
If the people want Fascism or Fascism-lite that’s what they’ll get.
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On September 07 2023 02:50 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2023 02:18 Simberto wrote:On September 07 2023 02:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 07 2023 01:38 Gorsameth wrote:On September 07 2023 01:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 07 2023 01:03 KwarK wrote:
Of course it’s ill advised. Do you have a better plan? 99% of your posts are along the lines of:
Person A says “this sucks but it’s the result of structural issues that can’t be remedied and so it’s outside of my control, even though it’s undeniably bad”
You respond “how come you, and also the Democrats, are deliberately imposing this thing which I have come to a unique understanding is actually bad but you guys don’t know that because you’re not special like me”
We all see the problems. They’re not exactly hard to see. You have no unique insight into them. Better than raging at and shaming oppressed people that need Democrats to do better/more to shut up and fall in line a year before the nominating convention? Yeah lol. Just not doing that would be a step up. Better than that might be joining and amplifying a chorus of people saying "yeah, they DO need to do better if they want to win in 2024" even if you ultimately plan on telling them to shut up and fall in line like you in 2024. Better than might be actually believing it and treating it like something that mattered to oneself to put real pressure on Democrats to do more than be not-Republicans that vaguely impede a progressing Republican led march into fascism. Note the complete lack of an answer to the question "Do you have a better plan". It's literally a better plan. Kwark+others plan: raging at and shaming people to shut up and fall in line behind a guy ~75% of the country thinks is too old for the job a year before the party nomination to avoid the potential of Democrats voluntarily handing fascists command of the strongest military in the world with the capacity to make it uninhabitable. Better/non-idiotic plan: join in on demanding Democrats do better/more to improve their own probability of beating Trump so they don't choose to hand fascists command of the strongest military on the planet with the capacity to make it uninhabitable. I think the core question is timing. + Show Spoiler +Right now, absolutely demand that the democrats put up someone better than Biden. Ideally have a good candidate, and push for them.
But most people talk about when the election happens. And when the election happens and it is Biden vs Trump, voting Biden is the only sane choice. At that point, you have 3 different options. Trump, Biden, or not voting/voting for someone else (which is basically half a vote for both). Sure, it would be better if other options existed, but if that is the situation on election day, then those better options don't exist, and you have to choose one of those 3 options.
You can still do all of the other stuff. No one is saying that you shouldn't. Voting is a 15 minute thing. It doesn't prevent you from doing other stuff. I am not saying people shouldn't vote. I'm saying that rather than trying to rageshame people into believing they don't have a choice but to shut up and fall in line a year out from the party nomination. People (particularly those that claim "leftist/progressive" type labels) should be demanding Democrats do better/more to help the people whose votes they insist they are simply entitled to.This premature rageshaming of people to shut up and fall in line is an important part of keeping people on the Democrat hamster wheel though.
I think you need to be careful in doing this otherwise you risk depressing turnout. I think this is partly what happened with Hillary. All of the negativity and complaints by Democrats in safe states can have an impact on swing states
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On September 07 2023 03:00 WombaT wrote:
I mean people characterise GH as unpragmatic and utopian quite frequently here.
But the tenor of the acceptable plan to keep a Trump who patently has transgressed various boundaries is to just hope he doesn’t win an election?
It’s a damning indictment of the checks and balances within the system that thus far he’s even able to run in the first place.
If the people want Fascism or Fascism-lite that’s what they’ll get.
If the current incarnation of American democracy can't clear the extremely low bar of not reelecting a complete imbecile that tried to steal the previous election in the most cartoonish way possible, then it fails to prove itself worthy of being protected from him.
And if it does clear that bar, then it doesn't need to be protected from him.
So yeah, that sounds like a reasonable plan.
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On September 07 2023 02:00 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2023 01:38 Gorsameth wrote:On September 07 2023 01:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 07 2023 01:03 KwarK wrote:
Of course it’s ill advised. Do you have a better plan? 99% of your posts are along the lines of:
Person A says “this sucks but it’s the result of structural issues that can’t be remedied and so it’s outside of my control, even though it’s undeniably bad”
You respond “how come you, and also the Democrats, are deliberately imposing this thing which I have come to a unique understanding is actually bad but you guys don’t know that because you’re not special like me”
We all see the problems. They’re not exactly hard to see. You have no unique insight into them. Better than raging at and shaming oppressed people that need Democrats to do better/more to shut up and fall in line a year before the nominating convention? Yeah lol. Just not doing that would be a step up. Better than that might be joining and amplifying a chorus of people saying "yeah, they DO need to do better if they want to win in 2024" even if you ultimately plan on telling them to shut up and fall in line like you in 2024. Better than might be actually believing it and treating it like something that mattered to oneself to put real pressure on Democrats to do more than be not-Republicans that vaguely impede a progressing Republican led march into fascism. Note the complete lack of an answer to the question "Do you have a better plan". It's literally a better plan. Kwark+others plan: raging at and shaming people to shut up and fall in line behind a guy ~75% of the country thinks is too old for the job a year before the party nomination to avoid the potential of Democrats voluntarily handing fascists command of the strongest military in the world with the capacity to make it uninhabitable. Better/non-idiotic plan: join in on demanding Democrats do better/more to improve their own probability of beating Trump so they don't choose to hand fascists command of the strongest military on the planet with the capacity to make it uninhabitable. bullshit. Hope Trump loses the election is everyones plan. You asked what to do when Trump won. "hope for another candidate" is not an answer to the question what to do when Trump wins.
So answer the question. What do you think America should do if Trump win in 2024, regardless of who he runs again?
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Norway28727 Posts
Run someone other than Biden, at least? I think that is sound, except I can't think of who. But going 'Biden is too old and unpopular, let's have a primary instead of running the incumbent and go from there' really doesn't strike me as unreasonable.
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Northern Ireland26224 Posts
On September 07 2023 06:34 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2023 02:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 07 2023 01:38 Gorsameth wrote:On September 07 2023 01:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 07 2023 01:03 KwarK wrote:
Of course it’s ill advised. Do you have a better plan? 99% of your posts are along the lines of:
Person A says “this sucks but it’s the result of structural issues that can’t be remedied and so it’s outside of my control, even though it’s undeniably bad”
You respond “how come you, and also the Democrats, are deliberately imposing this thing which I have come to a unique understanding is actually bad but you guys don’t know that because you’re not special like me”
We all see the problems. They’re not exactly hard to see. You have no unique insight into them. Better than raging at and shaming oppressed people that need Democrats to do better/more to shut up and fall in line a year before the nominating convention? Yeah lol. Just not doing that would be a step up. Better than that might be joining and amplifying a chorus of people saying "yeah, they DO need to do better if they want to win in 2024" even if you ultimately plan on telling them to shut up and fall in line like you in 2024. Better than might be actually believing it and treating it like something that mattered to oneself to put real pressure on Democrats to do more than be not-Republicans that vaguely impede a progressing Republican led march into fascism. Note the complete lack of an answer to the question "Do you have a better plan". It's literally a better plan. Kwark+others plan: raging at and shaming people to shut up and fall in line behind a guy ~75% of the country thinks is too old for the job a year before the party nomination to avoid the potential of Democrats voluntarily handing fascists command of the strongest military in the world with the capacity to make it uninhabitable. Better/non-idiotic plan: join in on demanding Democrats do better/more to improve their own probability of beating Trump so they don't choose to hand fascists command of the strongest military on the planet with the capacity to make it uninhabitable. bullshit. Hope Trump loses the election is everyones plan. You asked what to do when Trump won. "hope for another candidate" is not an answer to the question what to do when Trump wins. So answer the question. What do you think America should do if Trump win in 2024, regardless of who he runs again?
You’re just asking for GH to answer a question one should answer oneself.
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On September 07 2023 06:52 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2023 06:34 Gorsameth wrote:On September 07 2023 02:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 07 2023 01:38 Gorsameth wrote:On September 07 2023 01:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 07 2023 01:03 KwarK wrote:
Of course it’s ill advised. Do you have a better plan? 99% of your posts are along the lines of:
Person A says “this sucks but it’s the result of structural issues that can’t be remedied and so it’s outside of my control, even though it’s undeniably bad”
You respond “how come you, and also the Democrats, are deliberately imposing this thing which I have come to a unique understanding is actually bad but you guys don’t know that because you’re not special like me”
We all see the problems. They’re not exactly hard to see. You have no unique insight into them. Better than raging at and shaming oppressed people that need Democrats to do better/more to shut up and fall in line a year before the nominating convention? Yeah lol. Just not doing that would be a step up. Better than that might be joining and amplifying a chorus of people saying "yeah, they DO need to do better if they want to win in 2024" even if you ultimately plan on telling them to shut up and fall in line like you in 2024. Better than might be actually believing it and treating it like something that mattered to oneself to put real pressure on Democrats to do more than be not-Republicans that vaguely impede a progressing Republican led march into fascism. Note the complete lack of an answer to the question "Do you have a better plan". It's literally a better plan. Kwark+others plan: raging at and shaming people to shut up and fall in line behind a guy ~75% of the country thinks is too old for the job a year before the party nomination to avoid the potential of Democrats voluntarily handing fascists command of the strongest military in the world with the capacity to make it uninhabitable. Better/non-idiotic plan: join in on demanding Democrats do better/more to improve their own probability of beating Trump so they don't choose to hand fascists command of the strongest military on the planet with the capacity to make it uninhabitable. bullshit. Hope Trump loses the election is everyones plan. You asked what to do when Trump won. "hope for another candidate" is not an answer to the question what to do when Trump wins. So answer the question. What do you think America should do if Trump win in 2024, regardless of who he runs again? You’re just asking for GH to answer a question one should answer oneself. I might be missing something here.
GH asked a question of the thread. "should Biden hand over Power to Trump if Trump wins". Its a fine question and a somewhat interesting discussion. I myself votes for yes, because as others have said the solution to preserving Democracy isn't to kill it. GH complains, Kwark asks him for his own answer and GH, as always, dodges, I call him out on it and he dodges yet again.
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On September 07 2023 06:44 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Run someone other than Biden, at least? I think that is sound, except I can't think of who. But going 'Biden is too old and unpopular, let's have a primary instead of running the incumbent and go from there' really doesn't strike me as unreasonable.
Is he unpopular though? Hed win the primary.
Favorability ratings havent meant much recently. Trump is extremely unfavorable and hes more than likely gonna be the RNC nominee.
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Northern Ireland26224 Posts
On September 07 2023 07:10 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2023 06:52 WombaT wrote:On September 07 2023 06:34 Gorsameth wrote:On September 07 2023 02:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 07 2023 01:38 Gorsameth wrote:On September 07 2023 01:37 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 07 2023 01:03 KwarK wrote:
Of course it’s ill advised. Do you have a better plan? 99% of your posts are along the lines of:
Person A says “this sucks but it’s the result of structural issues that can’t be remedied and so it’s outside of my control, even though it’s undeniably bad”
You respond “how come you, and also the Democrats, are deliberately imposing this thing which I have come to a unique understanding is actually bad but you guys don’t know that because you’re not special like me”
We all see the problems. They’re not exactly hard to see. You have no unique insight into them. Better than raging at and shaming oppressed people that need Democrats to do better/more to shut up and fall in line a year before the nominating convention? Yeah lol. Just not doing that would be a step up. Better than that might be joining and amplifying a chorus of people saying "yeah, they DO need to do better if they want to win in 2024" even if you ultimately plan on telling them to shut up and fall in line like you in 2024. Better than might be actually believing it and treating it like something that mattered to oneself to put real pressure on Democrats to do more than be not-Republicans that vaguely impede a progressing Republican led march into fascism. Note the complete lack of an answer to the question "Do you have a better plan". It's literally a better plan. Kwark+others plan: raging at and shaming people to shut up and fall in line behind a guy ~75% of the country thinks is too old for the job a year before the party nomination to avoid the potential of Democrats voluntarily handing fascists command of the strongest military in the world with the capacity to make it uninhabitable. Better/non-idiotic plan: join in on demanding Democrats do better/more to improve their own probability of beating Trump so they don't choose to hand fascists command of the strongest military on the planet with the capacity to make it uninhabitable. bullshit. Hope Trump loses the election is everyones plan. You asked what to do when Trump won. "hope for another candidate" is not an answer to the question what to do when Trump wins. So answer the question. What do you think America should do if Trump win in 2024, regardless of who he runs again? You’re just asking for GH to answer a question one should answer oneself. I might be missing something here. GH asked a question of the thread. "should Biden hand over Power to Trump if Trump wins". Its a fine question and a somewhat interesting discussion. I myself votes for yes, because as others have said the solution to preserving Democracy isn't to kill it. GH complains, Kwark asks him for his own answer and GH, as always, dodges, I call him out on it and he dodges yet again.
What dodging? He’s pretty consistent in his answers.
You’ve all voted for a hypothetical where a fascist returning to power is preferable to ‘democracy’ being impinged. By a landslide.
And yet you all wonder why the left isn’t particularly enthusiastic?
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