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Northern Ireland24934 Posts
On February 13 2025 20:47 KT_Elwood wrote:
The devil is a shitty concept. If your figure of speech it must be christian.. like "absence from go(o)d" much more.
It's not that there is a powerful supervillain forcing your hand do EVIL. It's mostly because you are a born shithead.. or society has not taken care of you, so you became one.
At the next big school shooting, we will again hear about how "EVIL" is suddenly possessing people in this world and blablabla.
But it's really just "Big Bob's Gunshop" that sells Assault rifles to mentally unstable teenagers across the street from the school.
I just appropriated a very well-known phrase, least where I am, to make a secondary connected point.
I think you make a good point on evil nonetheless. It annoys me as well.
It’s frequently invoked to paint atrocities as the work of outliers, and away from the kind of views that drive those atrocities.
(White) nationalism isn’t the problem, Anders Breivik was just evil! Misogyny and inceldom isn’t the problem, Eliot Roger [sic?] was just evil! Nazism was just a bunch of evil dudes doing stuff. Etc etc
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On February 13 2025 07:08 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2025 06:38 Gorsameth wrote:On February 13 2025 06:35 Mohdoo wrote:
I think the dynamic is so significant and complex it isn’t well served by just labeling it as racism. I do think that played a role. At least for some people, whether they knew it or not. But what I do feel comfortable saying with certainty is:
Obama deeply, genuinely offended conservatives. The resentment is so extreme they can’t ever hope to escape it. It’s so core to everything they think and feel they don’t remember how they felt before this big mess. It feels similar to how addicts can’t really imagine themselves in their pre-addiction stage in life. if you don't think its (just) racism what about Obama was so deeply offensive? Because from the outside it certainly does look like Conservative America lost its shit because a black man became President. Agreed. It is hard to come up with anything else that would lead to this extreme reaction. He didn't really do anything that out of the ordinary for a US president. He was competent at his job, mostly charismatic, and did a bunch of normal president stuff..
He put more bombs on the ground that anyone ever, has, or will.
Super charismatic.
Nothing out of ordinary for sure ^^
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United States42490 Posts
On February 13 2025 23:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2025 07:08 Simberto wrote:On February 13 2025 06:38 Gorsameth wrote:On February 13 2025 06:35 Mohdoo wrote:
I think the dynamic is so significant and complex it isn’t well served by just labeling it as racism. I do think that played a role. At least for some people, whether they knew it or not. But what I do feel comfortable saying with certainty is:
Obama deeply, genuinely offended conservatives. The resentment is so extreme they can’t ever hope to escape it. It’s so core to everything they think and feel they don’t remember how they felt before this big mess. It feels similar to how addicts can’t really imagine themselves in their pre-addiction stage in life. if you don't think its (just) racism what about Obama was so deeply offensive? Because from the outside it certainly does look like Conservative America lost its shit because a black man became President. Agreed. It is hard to come up with anything else that would lead to this extreme reaction. He didn't really do anything that out of the ordinary for a US president. He was competent at his job, mostly charismatic, and did a bunch of normal president stuff.. He put more bombs on the ground that anyone ever, has, or will. Super charismatic. Nothing out of ordinary for sure ^^
Do you really think he out more bombs on the ground than anyone ever has or will?
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On February 13 2025 23:09 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2025 23:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 13 2025 07:08 Simberto wrote:On February 13 2025 06:38 Gorsameth wrote:On February 13 2025 06:35 Mohdoo wrote:
I think the dynamic is so significant and complex it isn’t well served by just labeling it as racism. I do think that played a role. At least for some people, whether they knew it or not. But what I do feel comfortable saying with certainty is:
Obama deeply, genuinely offended conservatives. The resentment is so extreme they can’t ever hope to escape it. It’s so core to everything they think and feel they don’t remember how they felt before this big mess. It feels similar to how addicts can’t really imagine themselves in their pre-addiction stage in life. if you don't think its (just) racism what about Obama was so deeply offensive? Because from the outside it certainly does look like Conservative America lost its shit because a black man became President. Agreed. It is hard to come up with anything else that would lead to this extreme reaction. He didn't really do anything that out of the ordinary for a US president. He was competent at his job, mostly charismatic, and did a bunch of normal president stuff.. He put more bombs on the ground that anyone ever, has, or will. Super charismatic. Nothing out of ordinary for sure ^^ Do you really think he out more bombs on the ground than anyone ever has or will?
Than anyone ever has or will, no.
Before and for now, yes.
E: i see myself being an idiot lol ^_^ but you get the point.
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United States42490 Posts
The point that you’re being an idiot?
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On February 13 2025 23:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2025 07:08 Simberto wrote:On February 13 2025 06:38 Gorsameth wrote:On February 13 2025 06:35 Mohdoo wrote:
I think the dynamic is so significant and complex it isn’t well served by just labeling it as racism. I do think that played a role. At least for some people, whether they knew it or not. But what I do feel comfortable saying with certainty is:
Obama deeply, genuinely offended conservatives. The resentment is so extreme they can’t ever hope to escape it. It’s so core to everything they think and feel they don’t remember how they felt before this big mess. It feels similar to how addicts can’t really imagine themselves in their pre-addiction stage in life. if you don't think its (just) racism what about Obama was so deeply offensive? Because from the outside it certainly does look like Conservative America lost its shit because a black man became President. Agreed. It is hard to come up with anything else that would lead to this extreme reaction. He didn't really do anything that out of the ordinary for a US president. He was competent at his job, mostly charismatic, and did a bunch of normal president stuff.. He put more bombs on the ground that anyone ever, has, or will. Super charismatic. Nothing out of ordinary for sure ^^
To be fair, that is pretty normal US president stuff. They all put bombs at places.
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On February 13 2025 23:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2025 07:08 Simberto wrote:On February 13 2025 06:38 Gorsameth wrote:On February 13 2025 06:35 Mohdoo wrote:
I think the dynamic is so significant and complex it isn’t well served by just labeling it as racism. I do think that played a role. At least for some people, whether they knew it or not. But what I do feel comfortable saying with certainty is:
Obama deeply, genuinely offended conservatives. The resentment is so extreme they can’t ever hope to escape it. It’s so core to everything they think and feel they don’t remember how they felt before this big mess. It feels similar to how addicts can’t really imagine themselves in their pre-addiction stage in life. if you don't think its (just) racism what about Obama was so deeply offensive? Because from the outside it certainly does look like Conservative America lost its shit because a black man became President. Agreed. It is hard to come up with anything else that would lead to this extreme reaction. He didn't really do anything that out of the ordinary for a US president. He was competent at his job, mostly charismatic, and did a bunch of normal president stuff.. He put more bombs on the ground that anyone ever, has, or will. Super charismatic. Nothing out of ordinary for sure ^^
Even if we limit ourselves to US presidents I am pretty sure Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Johnson, Nixon, Bush Senior and Bush Junior have him beat.
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RFK Jr. in at 52-48. Murkowski and Collins seem to have gotten the message. The decrepit McConnell can have his lone protest vote as literally nobody else joins his obstinance in a true show of how much respect people have for his decade and a half of Senate leadership. Only remaining maybe question is Patel. But if Hegseth got by at 51-50 he should be okay too. So there is now a Kennedy in a Republican administration.
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Even if that is true, the current president is demanding others spend more to put more bombs in the ground. I guess as long as 'you're' not paying for it.
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Northern Ireland24934 Posts
On February 13 2025 23:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2025 23:09 KwarK wrote:On February 13 2025 23:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 13 2025 07:08 Simberto wrote:On February 13 2025 06:38 Gorsameth wrote:On February 13 2025 06:35 Mohdoo wrote:
I think the dynamic is so significant and complex it isn’t well served by just labeling it as racism. I do think that played a role. At least for some people, whether they knew it or not. But what I do feel comfortable saying with certainty is:
Obama deeply, genuinely offended conservatives. The resentment is so extreme they can’t ever hope to escape it. It’s so core to everything they think and feel they don’t remember how they felt before this big mess. It feels similar to how addicts can’t really imagine themselves in their pre-addiction stage in life. if you don't think its (just) racism what about Obama was so deeply offensive? Because from the outside it certainly does look like Conservative America lost its shit because a black man became President. Agreed. It is hard to come up with anything else that would lead to this extreme reaction. He didn't really do anything that out of the ordinary for a US president. He was competent at his job, mostly charismatic, and did a bunch of normal president stuff.. He put more bombs on the ground that anyone ever, has, or will. Super charismatic. Nothing out of ordinary for sure ^^ Do you really think he out more bombs on the ground than anyone ever has or will? Than anyone ever has or will, no. Before and for now, yes. E: i see myself being an idiot lol ^_^ but you get the point.
Are you mistaking gave authorisation for most targeted drone/air strikes for dropping the most bombs?
Your point is just wrong, not just in that technical detail but in the central point you’re trying to make. The people (largely) who hated Obama the most were often the war hawks who were most enthusiastic about going into Afghanistan and Iraq, and if you disagreed you were a stinkin’ anti-American who lacked patriotism.
Eventually that appetite turned, but it was overwhelmingly down to American lives and money being spent for little gain.
It was never some moral outrage over (mostly) brown people being bombed overseas. At least among that group of people (generalising).
Note, this very much does not preclude Obama being fairly criticised for that practice, as indeed quite a few did, and still do.
Anyone who was a certain age from 9/11 onwards can recall this quite well, if one was not well some reading may be required.
Suffice to say the kinds of folks who got outraged at the Dixie Chicks, or wanted french fries renamed ‘freedom fries’ because France opposed the Iraq war, didn’t suddenly flip and hate Obama because he authorised too many drone strikes.
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On February 14 2025 02:06 oBlade wrote:
RFK Jr. in at 52-48. Murkowski and Collins seem to have gotten the message. The decrepit McConnell can have his lone protest vote as literally nobody else joins his obstinance in a true show of how much respect people have for his decade and a half of Senate leadership. Only remaining maybe question is Patel. But if Hegseth got by at 51-50 he should be okay too. So there is now a Kennedy in a Republican administration.
Goodbye federal healthcare protections, vaccinations, and medical services. It's up to the states now, which means if we face another epidemic/pandemic (like covid during Trump's first term), things are going to be wayyyyyy worse. Even without a public health crisis in the form of a disease, Republican-led states are going to be facing their own self-made crises within the next decade, from all the anti-vaxxers no longer vaccinating their babies/children. If I were an elementary school teacher in a red state, I would seriously be thinking about a career change.
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Northern Ireland24934 Posts
On February 14 2025 02:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2025 02:06 oBlade wrote:
RFK Jr. in at 52-48. Murkowski and Collins seem to have gotten the message. The decrepit McConnell can have his lone protest vote as literally nobody else joins his obstinance in a true show of how much respect people have for his decade and a half of Senate leadership. Only remaining maybe question is Patel. But if Hegseth got by at 51-50 he should be okay too. So there is now a Kennedy in a Republican administration. Goodbye federal healthcare protections, vaccinations, and medical services. It's up to the states now, which means if we face another epidemic/pandemic (like covid during Trump's first term), things are going to be wayyyyyy worse. Even without a public health crisis in the form of a disease, Republican-led states are going to be facing their own self-made crises within the next decade, from all the anti-vaxxers no longer vaccinating their babies/children. If I were an elementary school teacher in a red state, I would seriously be thinking about a career change.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c74mj39dkklo
OK it’s a few selected clips, I can’t say I find Kennedy’s demeanour or answers on some of the tougher questions remotely convincing though.
On the other hand, I don’t think he’s wrong in some of the things he’s said about say, food and what’s in it I mean that’s a pretty legit complaint. Even if he’s a bit all over the place, and when one agrees it’s semi-broken clock territory.
My worry would be it’s not gonna be a six of one, half a dozen of another kind of scenario. In that I don’t think his stewardship is going to be that of a maverick independent who is going to do some radical shit I like, and radical shit I don’t like. Even if he may personally desire to, I just don’t see him being given the rope there.
Sensibilities may vary of course, I’m going off mine. I also don’t know enough about the man, whether he’s a complete opportunistic charlatan or whether he’s got some balls and convictions, albeit ones I vehemently largely disagree with.
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On February 14 2025 02:43 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2025 02:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On February 14 2025 02:06 oBlade wrote:
RFK Jr. in at 52-48. Murkowski and Collins seem to have gotten the message. The decrepit McConnell can have his lone protest vote as literally nobody else joins his obstinance in a true show of how much respect people have for his decade and a half of Senate leadership. Only remaining maybe question is Patel. But if Hegseth got by at 51-50 he should be okay too. So there is now a Kennedy in a Republican administration. Goodbye federal healthcare protections, vaccinations, and medical services. It's up to the states now, which means if we face another epidemic/pandemic (like covid during Trump's first term), things are going to be wayyyyyy worse. Even without a public health crisis in the form of a disease, Republican-led states are going to be facing their own self-made crises within the next decade, from all the anti-vaxxers no longer vaccinating their babies/children. If I were an elementary school teacher in a red state, I would seriously be thinking about a career change. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c74mj39dkkloOK it’s a few selected clips, I can’t say I find Kennedy’s demeanour or answers on some of the tougher questions remotely convincing though. On the other hand, I don’t think he’s wrong in some of the things he’s said about say, food and what’s in it I mean that’s a pretty legit complaint. Even if he’s a bit all over the place, and when one agrees it’s semi-broken clock territory. My worry would be it’s not gonna be a six of one, half a dozen of another kind of scenario. In that I don’t think his stewardship is going to be that of a maverick independent who is going to do some radical shit I like, and radical shit I don’t like. Even if he may personally desire to, I just don’t see him being given the rope there. Sensibilities may vary of course, I’m going off mine. I also don’t know enough about the man, whether he’s a complete opportunistic charlatan or whether he’s got some balls and convictions, albeit ones I vehemently largely disagree with.
I don't think RFK Jr is a bad person per se. He's just wrong or misinformed on a lot of things. He seems willing to change his opinion, so take that as you will. Whether it's genuine or not is debateable. But I'm still of the mind that the federal response to a lot of health issues will be mid to bad at the end of the administration.
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On February 14 2025 02:43 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2025 02:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On February 14 2025 02:06 oBlade wrote:
RFK Jr. in at 52-48. Murkowski and Collins seem to have gotten the message. The decrepit McConnell can have his lone protest vote as literally nobody else joins his obstinance in a true show of how much respect people have for his decade and a half of Senate leadership. Only remaining maybe question is Patel. But if Hegseth got by at 51-50 he should be okay too. So there is now a Kennedy in a Republican administration. Goodbye federal healthcare protections, vaccinations, and medical services. It's up to the states now, which means if we face another epidemic/pandemic (like covid during Trump's first term), things are going to be wayyyyyy worse. Even without a public health crisis in the form of a disease, Republican-led states are going to be facing their own self-made crises within the next decade, from all the anti-vaxxers no longer vaccinating their babies/children. If I were an elementary school teacher in a red state, I would seriously be thinking about a career change. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c74mj39dkkloOK it’s a few selected clips, I can’t say I find Kennedy’s demeanour or answers on some of the tougher questions remotely convincing though. On the other hand, I don’t think he’s wrong in some of the things he’s said about say, food and what’s in it I mean that’s a pretty legit complaint. Even if he’s a bit all over the place, and when one agrees it’s semi-broken clock territory. My worry would be it’s not gonna be a six of one, half a dozen of another kind of scenario. In that I don’t think his stewardship is going to be that of a maverick independent who is going to do some radical shit I like, and radical shit I don’t like. Even if he may personally desire to, I just don’t see him being given the rope there. Sensibilities may vary of course, I’m going off mine. I also don’t know enough about the man, whether he’s a complete opportunistic charlatan or whether he’s got some balls and convictions, albeit ones I vehemently largely disagree with.
When it comes to any of Trump's picks, the two most important voices are the appointee's and Trump's. When it comes to medicine/healthcare/vaccination, Trump and RFK Jr. have both proven themselves as incompetent, anti-vaxxer, anti-medicine, and anti-science. So if RFK Jr. is given enough rope to do what he wants, we're screwed... but if he's not given enough rope to do what he wants, then it's because Trump is calling the shots and we're still screwed.
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Northern Ireland24934 Posts
On February 14 2025 02:58 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2025 02:43 WombaT wrote:On February 14 2025 02:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On February 14 2025 02:06 oBlade wrote:
RFK Jr. in at 52-48. Murkowski and Collins seem to have gotten the message. The decrepit McConnell can have his lone protest vote as literally nobody else joins his obstinance in a true show of how much respect people have for his decade and a half of Senate leadership. Only remaining maybe question is Patel. But if Hegseth got by at 51-50 he should be okay too. So there is now a Kennedy in a Republican administration. Goodbye federal healthcare protections, vaccinations, and medical services. It's up to the states now, which means if we face another epidemic/pandemic (like covid during Trump's first term), things are going to be wayyyyyy worse. Even without a public health crisis in the form of a disease, Republican-led states are going to be facing their own self-made crises within the next decade, from all the anti-vaxxers no longer vaccinating their babies/children. If I were an elementary school teacher in a red state, I would seriously be thinking about a career change. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c74mj39dkkloOK it’s a few selected clips, I can’t say I find Kennedy’s demeanour or answers on some of the tougher questions remotely convincing though. On the other hand, I don’t think he’s wrong in some of the things he’s said about say, food and what’s in it I mean that’s a pretty legit complaint. Even if he’s a bit all over the place, and when one agrees it’s semi-broken clock territory. My worry would be it’s not gonna be a six of one, half a dozen of another kind of scenario. In that I don’t think his stewardship is going to be that of a maverick independent who is going to do some radical shit I like, and radical shit I don’t like. Even if he may personally desire to, I just don’t see him being given the rope there. Sensibilities may vary of course, I’m going off mine. I also don’t know enough about the man, whether he’s a complete opportunistic charlatan or whether he’s got some balls and convictions, albeit ones I vehemently largely disagree with. I don't think RFK Jr is a bad person per se. He's just wrong or misinformed on a lot of things. He seems willing to change his opinion, so take that as you will. Whether it's genuine or not is debateable. But I'm still of the mind that the federal response to a lot of health issues will be mid to bad at the end of the administration.
Yeah that would be my broad understanding, as things stand anyway.
On February 14 2025 02:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2025 02:43 WombaT wrote:On February 14 2025 02:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On February 14 2025 02:06 oBlade wrote:
RFK Jr. in at 52-48. Murkowski and Collins seem to have gotten the message. The decrepit McConnell can have his lone protest vote as literally nobody else joins his obstinance in a true show of how much respect people have for his decade and a half of Senate leadership. Only remaining maybe question is Patel. But if Hegseth got by at 51-50 he should be okay too. So there is now a Kennedy in a Republican administration. Goodbye federal healthcare protections, vaccinations, and medical services. It's up to the states now, which means if we face another epidemic/pandemic (like covid during Trump's first term), things are going to be wayyyyyy worse. Even without a public health crisis in the form of a disease, Republican-led states are going to be facing their own self-made crises within the next decade, from all the anti-vaxxers no longer vaccinating their babies/children. If I were an elementary school teacher in a red state, I would seriously be thinking about a career change. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c74mj39dkkloOK it’s a few selected clips, I can’t say I find Kennedy’s demeanour or answers on some of the tougher questions remotely convincing though. On the other hand, I don’t think he’s wrong in some of the things he’s said about say, food and what’s in it I mean that’s a pretty legit complaint. Even if he’s a bit all over the place, and when one agrees it’s semi-broken clock territory. My worry would be it’s not gonna be a six of one, half a dozen of another kind of scenario. In that I don’t think his stewardship is going to be that of a maverick independent who is going to do some radical shit I like, and radical shit I don’t like. Even if he may personally desire to, I just don’t see him being given the rope there. Sensibilities may vary of course, I’m going off mine. I also don’t know enough about the man, whether he’s a complete opportunistic charlatan or whether he’s got some balls and convictions, albeit ones I vehemently largely disagree with. When it comes to any of Trump's picks, the two most important voices are the appointee's and Trump's. When it comes to medicine/healthcare/vaccination, Trump and RFK Jr. have both proven themselves as incompetent, anti-vaxxer, anti-medicine, and anti-science. So if RFK Jr. is given enough rope to do what he wants, we're screwed... but if he's not given enough rope to do what he wants, then it's because Trump is calling the shots and we're still screwed.
Aye pretty much. Inspiring stuff eh?
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United States42490 Posts
On February 14 2025 02:58 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2025 02:43 WombaT wrote:On February 14 2025 02:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On February 14 2025 02:06 oBlade wrote:
RFK Jr. in at 52-48. Murkowski and Collins seem to have gotten the message. The decrepit McConnell can have his lone protest vote as literally nobody else joins his obstinance in a true show of how much respect people have for his decade and a half of Senate leadership. Only remaining maybe question is Patel. But if Hegseth got by at 51-50 he should be okay too. So there is now a Kennedy in a Republican administration. Goodbye federal healthcare protections, vaccinations, and medical services. It's up to the states now, which means if we face another epidemic/pandemic (like covid during Trump's first term), things are going to be wayyyyyy worse. Even without a public health crisis in the form of a disease, Republican-led states are going to be facing their own self-made crises within the next decade, from all the anti-vaxxers no longer vaccinating their babies/children. If I were an elementary school teacher in a red state, I would seriously be thinking about a career change. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c74mj39dkkloOK it’s a few selected clips, I can’t say I find Kennedy’s demeanour or answers on some of the tougher questions remotely convincing though. On the other hand, I don’t think he’s wrong in some of the things he’s said about say, food and what’s in it I mean that’s a pretty legit complaint. Even if he’s a bit all over the place, and when one agrees it’s semi-broken clock territory. My worry would be it’s not gonna be a six of one, half a dozen of another kind of scenario. In that I don’t think his stewardship is going to be that of a maverick independent who is going to do some radical shit I like, and radical shit I don’t like. Even if he may personally desire to, I just don’t see him being given the rope there. Sensibilities may vary of course, I’m going off mine. I also don’t know enough about the man, whether he’s a complete opportunistic charlatan or whether he’s got some balls and convictions, albeit ones I vehemently largely disagree with. I don't think RFK Jr is a bad person per se. He's just wrong or misinformed on a lot of things. He seems willing to change his opinion, so take that as you will. Whether it's genuine or not is debateable. But I'm still of the mind that the federal response to a lot of health issues will be mid to bad at the end of the administration.
He doesn’t change his opinion, he just insists that he’s willing to despite overwhelming evidence of him not changing it. He’s also directly responsible for the deaths of dozens of children so there’s that.
He’s objectively a bad person. Once you can’t count the kids you’ve caused to die on your fingers and toes anymore you’re a bad person.
Normally when you kill a bunch of kids you pause, consider where your actions went wrong, and try to correct the error. You don’t 100x down and seek a position of control over tens of millions more kids. It’s like if he left a baby in a hot car, it died, and instead of going “oh, my bad, now I know not to do that” he insisted he did nothing wrong and applied for a job as a Nevada pre-k school bus driver.
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On February 14 2025 03:04 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2025 02:59 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On February 14 2025 02:43 WombaT wrote:On February 14 2025 02:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On February 14 2025 02:06 oBlade wrote:
RFK Jr. in at 52-48. Murkowski and Collins seem to have gotten the message. The decrepit McConnell can have his lone protest vote as literally nobody else joins his obstinance in a true show of how much respect people have for his decade and a half of Senate leadership. Only remaining maybe question is Patel. But if Hegseth got by at 51-50 he should be okay too. So there is now a Kennedy in a Republican administration. Goodbye federal healthcare protections, vaccinations, and medical services. It's up to the states now, which means if we face another epidemic/pandemic (like covid during Trump's first term), things are going to be wayyyyyy worse. Even without a public health crisis in the form of a disease, Republican-led states are going to be facing their own self-made crises within the next decade, from all the anti-vaxxers no longer vaccinating their babies/children. If I were an elementary school teacher in a red state, I would seriously be thinking about a career change. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c74mj39dkkloOK it’s a few selected clips, I can’t say I find Kennedy’s demeanour or answers on some of the tougher questions remotely convincing though. On the other hand, I don’t think he’s wrong in some of the things he’s said about say, food and what’s in it I mean that’s a pretty legit complaint. Even if he’s a bit all over the place, and when one agrees it’s semi-broken clock territory. My worry would be it’s not gonna be a six of one, half a dozen of another kind of scenario. In that I don’t think his stewardship is going to be that of a maverick independent who is going to do some radical shit I like, and radical shit I don’t like. Even if he may personally desire to, I just don’t see him being given the rope there. Sensibilities may vary of course, I’m going off mine. I also don’t know enough about the man, whether he’s a complete opportunistic charlatan or whether he’s got some balls and convictions, albeit ones I vehemently largely disagree with. When it comes to any of Trump's picks, the two most important voices are the appointee's and Trump's. When it comes to medicine/healthcare/vaccination, Trump and RFK Jr. have both proven themselves as incompetent, anti-vaxxer, anti-medicine, and anti-science. So if RFK Jr. is given enough rope to do what he wants, we're screwed... but if he's not given enough rope to do what he wants, then it's because Trump is calling the shots and we're still screwed. Aye pretty much. Inspiring stuff eh?
Very depressing inspiring, indeed 
On February 14 2025 02:58 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2025 02:43 WombaT wrote:On February 14 2025 02:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On February 14 2025 02:06 oBlade wrote:
RFK Jr. in at 52-48. Murkowski and Collins seem to have gotten the message. The decrepit McConnell can have his lone protest vote as literally nobody else joins his obstinance in a true show of how much respect people have for his decade and a half of Senate leadership. Only remaining maybe question is Patel. But if Hegseth got by at 51-50 he should be okay too. So there is now a Kennedy in a Republican administration. Goodbye federal healthcare protections, vaccinations, and medical services. It's up to the states now, which means if we face another epidemic/pandemic (like covid during Trump's first term), things are going to be wayyyyyy worse. Even without a public health crisis in the form of a disease, Republican-led states are going to be facing their own self-made crises within the next decade, from all the anti-vaxxers no longer vaccinating their babies/children. If I were an elementary school teacher in a red state, I would seriously be thinking about a career change. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c74mj39dkkloOK it’s a few selected clips, I can’t say I find Kennedy’s demeanour or answers on some of the tougher questions remotely convincing though. On the other hand, I don’t think he’s wrong in some of the things he’s said about say, food and what’s in it I mean that’s a pretty legit complaint. Even if he’s a bit all over the place, and when one agrees it’s semi-broken clock territory. My worry would be it’s not gonna be a six of one, half a dozen of another kind of scenario. In that I don’t think his stewardship is going to be that of a maverick independent who is going to do some radical shit I like, and radical shit I don’t like. Even if he may personally desire to, I just don’t see him being given the rope there. Sensibilities may vary of course, I’m going off mine. I also don’t know enough about the man, whether he’s a complete opportunistic charlatan or whether he’s got some balls and convictions, albeit ones I vehemently largely disagree with. I don't think RFK Jr is a bad person per se. He's just wrong or misinformed on a lot of things. He seems willing to change his opinion, so take that as you will. Whether it's genuine or not is debateable. But I'm still of the mind that the federal response to a lot of health issues will be mid to bad at the end of the administration.
I don't think he's particularly malicious or evil, and I do think he's sincere and truly believes in the bullshit that he touts... but at the end of the day, none of that matters. He's going to be doing an extreme amount of harm to this country, because he has no idea what he's talking about and he's a lunatic conspiracy theorist. I'm still happy to appeal to Hanlon's Razor when it comes to RFK Jr. (as opposed to Trump, who is obviously a bad-faith actor), but RFK Jr. will absolutely get people killed.
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On February 14 2025 02:58 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2025 02:43 WombaT wrote:On February 14 2025 02:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On February 14 2025 02:06 oBlade wrote:
RFK Jr. in at 52-48. Murkowski and Collins seem to have gotten the message. The decrepit McConnell can have his lone protest vote as literally nobody else joins his obstinance in a true show of how much respect people have for his decade and a half of Senate leadership. Only remaining maybe question is Patel. But if Hegseth got by at 51-50 he should be okay too. So there is now a Kennedy in a Republican administration. Goodbye federal healthcare protections, vaccinations, and medical services. It's up to the states now, which means if we face another epidemic/pandemic (like covid during Trump's first term), things are going to be wayyyyyy worse. Even without a public health crisis in the form of a disease, Republican-led states are going to be facing their own self-made crises within the next decade, from all the anti-vaxxers no longer vaccinating their babies/children. If I were an elementary school teacher in a red state, I would seriously be thinking about a career change. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c74mj39dkkloOK it’s a few selected clips, I can’t say I find Kennedy’s demeanour or answers on some of the tougher questions remotely convincing though. On the other hand, I don’t think he’s wrong in some of the things he’s said about say, food and what’s in it I mean that’s a pretty legit complaint. Even if he’s a bit all over the place, and when one agrees it’s semi-broken clock territory. My worry would be it’s not gonna be a six of one, half a dozen of another kind of scenario. In that I don’t think his stewardship is going to be that of a maverick independent who is going to do some radical shit I like, and radical shit I don’t like. Even if he may personally desire to, I just don’t see him being given the rope there. Sensibilities may vary of course, I’m going off mine. I also don’t know enough about the man, whether he’s a complete opportunistic charlatan or whether he’s got some balls and convictions, albeit ones I vehemently largely disagree with. I don't think RFK Jr is a bad person per se. He's just wrong or misinformed on a lot of things. He seems willing to change his opinion, so take that as you will. Whether it's genuine or not is debateable. But I'm still of the mind that the federal response to a lot of health issues will be mid to bad at the end of the administration.
RFK Jr has too many brain worms to be any particular kind of person
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I'm very mixed on RFK Jr. I know that sounds crazy, but let me explain.
He is a great example of the broken clock whatever bullshit phrase. Absolute caveman in many ways and a reprehensible human. The confirmed stories regarding his personal life are bizarre. He's a truly awful human.
However, his crusade against food dyes is 100% great and deeply needed. Many food dyes are really bad. The FDA is criminally negligent in how far they have let big corporations poison our country.
Red3 has been confirmed terrible for a super long time. It was banned in cosmetics in 1990 but only recently banned from food. A complete train wreck. I could rant for a super long time about this topic because a portion of my career had me deep into environmental toxicology pertaining to solids and liquids. The whole red3 situation is the tip of the ice berg and its incredibly sad. So many dyes and other materials have been confirmed bad for humans for decades and they just never seem to end up banned like they should be. Despite many alternative materials available, companies are always allowed to keep maximizing profits by poisoning humans.
For some reason, RFK Jr seems to understand this and want to lead a crusade against dyes. Great. Perfect. I'm absolutely thrilled. I hope he doesn't bring back polio, but screaming about dyes and other toxic materials in food is an enormous net positive no matter how you look at it.
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On February 14 2025 03:23 Mohdoo wrote:
I'm very mixed on RFK Jr. I know that sounds crazy, but let me explain.
He is a great example of the broken clock whatever bullshit phrase. Absolute caveman in many ways and a reprehensible human. The confirmed stories regarding his personal life are bizarre. He's a truly awful human.
However, his crusade against food dyes is 100% great and deeply needed. Many food dyes are really bad. The FDA is criminally negligent in how far they have let big corporations poison our country.
Red3 has been confirmed terrible for a super long time. It was banned in cosmetics in 1990 but only recently banned from food. A complete train wreck. I could rant for a super long time about this topic because a portion of my career had me deep into environmental toxicology pertaining to solids and liquids. The whole red3 situation is the tip of the ice berg and its incredibly sad. So many dyes and other materials have been confirmed bad for humans for decades and they just never seem to end up banned like they should be. Despite many alternative materials available, companies are always allowed to keep maximizing profits by poisoning humans.
For some reason, RFK Jr seems to understand this and want to lead a crusade against dyes. Great. Perfect. I'm absolutely thrilled. I hope he doesn't bring back polio, but screaming about dyes and other toxic materials in food is an enormous net positive no matter how you look at it.
This would only mean something if he was the only human on the face of the earth who wanted to fight against red-3 / food dye. Surely there exists at least one credentialed medical expert who would promote a crusade against food dye while not simultaneously giving kids polio, measles, and covid?
A broken clock may be right twice a day, but you still shouldn't ever trust it. It's unreliable, and there are plenty of working clocks out there.
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