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Velr
Switzerland10761 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On July 17 2018 02:41 ShoCkeyy wrote: A friend of mine brought this up, and it's another point if you watch how he handles himself with other world leaders. Obviously this doesn't mean much to a normal joe, but body language in my opinion shows how you interact with another person, and can tell a lot about interactions. "Not cutting in front of Putin and no power struggle handshake. We know who is alpha." For what it's worth, someone had a very different take. I dunno, I personally think too much is read into body language at these types of things. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15712 Posts
On July 17 2018 02:45 xDaunt wrote: For what it's worth, someone had a very different take. I dunno, I personally think too much is read into body language at these types of things. Disregarding body language, Trump was utterly subservient. We are well past the point of being able to say he's just playing nice. This was downright weird and uncomfortable. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On July 17 2018 02:47 Mohdoo wrote: Disregarding body language, Trump was utterly subservient. We are well past the point of being able to say he's just playing nice. This was downright weird and uncomfortable. "Subservient." Damn, y'all will read anything into the situation to validate this insanity that Trump is a Russian pawn. Please explain why a supposedly subservient Trump would do the following: 1) Keep US troops in Syria -- against Russian wishes; 2) Not cede the Crimea to Russia; 3) Object to the Nordstream pipeline -- which Russia desperately wants. Those are the big issues for Russia. Trump hasn't caved on any of them. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10761 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 17 2018 02:52 xDaunt wrote: "Subservient." Damn, y'all will read anything into the situation to validate this insanity that Trump is a Russian pawn. Please explain why a supposedly subservient Trump would do the following: 1) Keep US troops in Syria -- against Russian wishes; 2) Not cede the Crimea to Russia; 3) Object to the Nordstream pipeline -- which Russia desperately wants. Those are the big issues for Russia. Trump hasn't caved on any of them. Putin’s still got 2 years of Trump’s presidency to work those in. Right now Putin has the best thing he could possibly ask for, a US President blaming the US for Russian aggression. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15712 Posts
On July 17 2018 02:52 xDaunt wrote: "Subservient." Damn, y'all will read anything into the situation to validate this insanity that Trump is a Russian pawn. Please explain why a supposedly subservient Trump would do the following: 1) Keep US troops in Syria -- against Russian wishes; 2) Not cede the Crimea to Russia; 3) Object to the Nordstream pipeline -- which Russia desperately wants. Those are the big issues for Russia. Trump hasn't caved on any of them. I don't think Trump needs to cede everything, and likely would suffer 'actual' backlash if he did what you are suggesting he would if he was "truly" Trump's puppet. If Trump actually did that list of things, it wouldn't surprise me if there was a military coup. That would be so blatant that I think we'd have a very messy situation. Trump is always skirting the boundaries and doing what he can do, safely. Did you watch their little talk? Did it really not seem weird to you at all? | ||
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On July 17 2018 02:56 Plansix wrote: Putin’s still got 2 years of Trump’s presidency to work those in. Right now Putin has the best thing he could possibly ask for, a US President blaming the US for Russian aggression. 6+ more.. They aren't going to get worse at rigging elections with a complicit POTUS. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On July 17 2018 02:57 Mohdoo wrote: I don't think Trump needs to cede everything, and likely would suffer 'actual' backlash if he did what you are suggesting he would if he was "truly" Trump's puppet. If Trump actually did that list of things, it wouldn't surprise me if there was a military coup. That would be so blatant that I think we'd have a very messy situation. Trump is always skirting the boundaries and doing what he can do, safely. Did you watch their little talk? Did it really not seem weird to you at all? Oh, I get it. I don't have any concrete evidence that Trump's a traitor -- you're just going to have to read between the lines of his interactions with Putin and take my word for it. Has it ever occurred to you how insane this position is? | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15712 Posts
On July 17 2018 03:04 xDaunt wrote: Oh, I get it. I don't have any concrete evidence that Trump's a traitor -- you're just going to have to read between the lines of his interactions with Putin and take my word for it. Has it ever occurred to you how insane this position is? I don't think he's necessarily a traitor and I'm not saying he is. What I do think is that Trump bends to Putin in a way that is notably more than any world leader. You still never answered if you watched what I'm referring to or not. I don't think it makes sense to discuss what you haven't seen. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23293 Posts
Besides how he talks about Russia people saying he's too pro-Russia, or a pawn or whatever, wouldn't really change anything else would they? Additionally, The NYT and a LOT of liberals are exposing a latent homophobia with shit like this. | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On July 17 2018 03:34 kollin wrote: Peak liberal anguish = screaming treason at perceived collusion by the president with a member of the rapacious capitalist oligarchy because that member is Russian instead of American like all the times before. I don't get what you're trying to say here. it feels like you might be mocking somebody, or being sarcastic, but it's hard to tell who or what. also, did you have anything else to add to try to support your claim about rationality in the hillary vote? | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15712 Posts
On July 17 2018 03:31 GreenHorizons wrote: People don't actually want Trump to do anything differently when it comes to Russia, they just want him to talk differently right? Besides how he talks about Russia people saying he's too pro-Russia, or a pawn or whatever, wouldn't really change anything else would they? Additionally, The NYT and a LOT of liberals are exposing a latent homophobia with shit like this. https://twitter.com/nytopinion/status/1018770963813490688 Trump should be siding with his intelligence agencies and taking actions based on the intelligence agencies (sanctions) rather than trusting Putin. Inaction is still action. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23293 Posts
On July 17 2018 03:43 Mohdoo wrote: Trump should be siding with his intelligence agencies and taking actions based on the intelligence agencies (sanctions) rather than trusting Putin. Inaction is still action. First part is the "say it different" part, what sanctions are you talking about though? | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15712 Posts
On July 17 2018 03:47 GreenHorizons wrote: First part is the "say it different" part, what sanctions are you talking about though? I'm not qualified to suggest sanctions. None of us that post here are. But based on my understanding of history, direct attempts to meddle in our democracy warrant some amount of retaliation. We are not retaliating. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On July 17 2018 02:52 xDaunt wrote: "Subservient." Damn, y'all will read anything into the situation to validate this insanity that Trump is a Russian pawn. Please explain why a supposedly subservient Trump would do the following: 1) Keep US troops in Syria -- against Russian wishes; 2) Not cede the Crimea to Russia; 3) Object to the Nordstream pipeline -- which Russia desperately wants. Those are the big issues for Russia. Trump hasn't caved on any of them. 1. Trump agreed on an extension in April to fight ISIS but also remarked still wanting to bring the troops home soon after that, possibly to be replaced by an Arab coalition. Then again, Bolton just recently said that they would still want to keep troops there long-term against Iran. 2. Officially, the administration is aligned with the other G-7 nations in condemning the annexation. On a personal level, Trump himself seems to have a more inconsistent position, from answering with a non-communal "we'll see" with reporters to allegedly remarking that "Crimea is a Russian because they speak Russian" at a G-7 meeting. He's also been hesitant to contradictory about implementing Russian sanctions. Ultimately, we'll have to see what policy changes come out of this summit. It's troubling that of his remarks with Putin are in contradiction with US intelligence, but that might just be his personality wanting to please whoever is in his vicinity while still being capable to shit-talk about them before or after the meetings. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23293 Posts
On July 17 2018 03:49 Mohdoo wrote: I'm not qualified to suggest sanctions. None of us that post here are. But based on my understanding of history, direct attempts to meddle in our democracy warrant some amount of retaliation. We are not retaliating. So vague calls for a retaliation that no one can describe beyond "sanctions" of which Trump's (reluctantly) added the ones congress wanted. Doesn't seem like the people pushing this stuff really have any plan or comprehension of what should be done differently other than the rhetoric and optics. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 17 2018 03:49 Mohdoo wrote: I'm not qualified to suggest sanctions. None of us that post here are. But based on my understanding of history, direct attempts to meddle in our democracy warrant some amount of retaliation. We are not retaliating. And the sanctions have not stopped Russia, from all reports. They are continuing their efforts to screw around with our elections. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On July 17 2018 03:43 Mohdoo wrote: Trump should be siding with his intelligence agencies and taking actions based on the intelligence agencies (sanctions) rather than trusting Putin. Inaction is still action. Forgive me, but why should Trump publicly build up his intelligence agencies rather than equivocate on them? These are the same intelligence agencies that tried to infiltrate his campaign and bait him into committing a crime. These are the same intelligence agencies who have been leaking shit to undermine his presidency at every turn. These are the same intelligence agencies that had people like Brennan heading them, who today, has ludicrously accused the president of treason for what he said at the press conference. There's no political reason for Trump to give them cover until he gets them under control. | ||
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