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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23451 Posts
February 18 2025 18:13 GMT
#95501
On February 19 2025 02:58 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2025 02:38 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 19 2025 02:24 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On February 19 2025 01:47 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 19 2025 00:58 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Looks like Hochul might force Adams out of the NYC Mayorship. That'd be a good step in the right direction.

I don't think it does. It has become pretty impossible to deny she is obligated to with the blatant quid pro quo being public, but she still hasn't for the same reasons she didn't push him out months ago. It's a bit of NY inside baseball, but basically Cuomo is going to replace him which won't help her run against Letitia James in 2026 (who she wanted to run for mayor of NYC instead).

She has to stall for a little more than a month to avoid a special election, but it's sorta in vain since she failed to convince James to run for NYC Mayor and Democrats actually support Cuomo anyway.


Isn't doing something better than doing nothing and tanking her 2026 run even further? James might take the governor seat but I'd say it's early to give it to Cuomo. NY needs to make their voices heard and demand someone better. If they don't well....
This is more of the "I threw pennies at the homeless person, aren't they richer?!?" absurdity. She waited too long to act and now it's bad for her if she ignores the blatant corruption while doing nothing and bad for her if she boots him and makes it even easier for Cuomo to win.

Also this "NY needs to make their voices heard and demand someone better" is just more of Democrats' contemptible "thoughts and prayers" It's empty rhetoric that only functions to rationalize support for the status quo while implicitly blaming its victims.

And that's my cue to disengage from discussing anything further with you. I tried but I'm tired of the same shit you puke any time someone engages with you.

I just pointed out why she didn't push him out earlier and how if she finally pushes him out now (as every day she waits is pretty inexplicable) it doesn't really help her with the problems that prevented her from doing it months ago.

It also doesn't really help Democrats as they're just going to replace him with someone that's a creep, also going to collaborate with Trump on immigration, and also corrupt. Not to mention the doors it opens for Trump loyalists to take advantage of similar powers elsewhere.

It's not me you're effectively refusing to engage with, it's the disconnect between the political rhetoric you and other lib/Dems/ilk use/believe and the reality around you.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
EnDeR_
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Spain2771 Posts
February 18 2025 21:29 GMT
#95502
On February 19 2025 03:11 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2025 02:51 Uldridge wrote:
@Jimmy,
Why do you think what Trump is doing is so great? Is it just because it's making the US and solely the US a, better place, while everyone else is getting a wake up call?
Is it part of the weak Western leadership narrative that's been touted?

I do not think I have ever stated Trump is making America "so great". I think Trump is on a path towards improving the every day lives of every day, average working people in America. We will know in a couple of years if all these moves he is making are working.

I think America was "great" for hard working average people from about 1950 to about 1973. Things levelled off from 1973 until about 2008. Since about 2008, the country has been on a very slow decline. If Trump can bring things up to the levels for 1973-2008 I'll be super impressed. However, I'd just like to see some improvement rather than a continued slow decline.

I think getting criminals out of sanctuary cities is a good move. I think renegotiating the USMCA will improve things for Americans.

Canada and Mexico must pay for their own military defence. Both countries can start to build their military now. Alternatively, they could just make straight up cash payments to the USA for its military services. Another solution is to surrender an % ownership stake in their natural resources and oil reserves. It is 100% reasonable for the USA to make specific material demands of these countries due to the costs she burdens in defending all of NA. Trump has done a nice job in this area.

Canada and Mexico having to pay a much greater share of GDP on military defense will mean they'll have to spend less in other areas. If this harms the quality of life of Canadians and Mexicans.. so be it. Part of the burden of nationhood is military defence. Both countries have been living in this bizarre Utopia where they do not need to allocate resources to their respective military.


Defending against whom?
estás más desubicao q un croissant en un plato de nécoras
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
1231 Posts
February 18 2025 21:51 GMT
#95503
I find it concerning that this statement is being made

“Barron Trump represents the future of the conservative movement, and we would be honored to have him join College Republicans of America,” CRA President Will Donahue said.


I guess just having the last name makes you the future of the conservative movement. Big cheer for nepotism (or monarchy?).
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18107 Posts
February 18 2025 22:56 GMT
#95504
On February 19 2025 06:29 EnDeR_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2025 03:11 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On February 19 2025 02:51 Uldridge wrote:
@Jimmy,
Why do you think what Trump is doing is so great? Is it just because it's making the US and solely the US a, better place, while everyone else is getting a wake up call?
Is it part of the weak Western leadership narrative that's been touted?

I do not think I have ever stated Trump is making America "so great". I think Trump is on a path towards improving the every day lives of every day, average working people in America. We will know in a couple of years if all these moves he is making are working.

I think America was "great" for hard working average people from about 1950 to about 1973. Things levelled off from 1973 until about 2008. Since about 2008, the country has been on a very slow decline. If Trump can bring things up to the levels for 1973-2008 I'll be super impressed. However, I'd just like to see some improvement rather than a continued slow decline.

I think getting criminals out of sanctuary cities is a good move. I think renegotiating the USMCA will improve things for Americans.

Canada and Mexico must pay for their own military defence. Both countries can start to build their military now. Alternatively, they could just make straight up cash payments to the USA for its military services. Another solution is to surrender an % ownership stake in their natural resources and oil reserves. It is 100% reasonable for the USA to make specific material demands of these countries due to the costs she burdens in defending all of NA. Trump has done a nice job in this area.

Canada and Mexico having to pay a much greater share of GDP on military defense will mean they'll have to spend less in other areas. If this harms the quality of life of Canadians and Mexicans.. so be it. Part of the burden of nationhood is military defence. Both countries have been living in this bizarre Utopia where they do not need to allocate resources to their respective military.


Defending against whom?


Canada, in fairness, needs to protect a rather large stretch of Arctic ocean that basically borders on Russia. Mexico, though... I mean, what? I understand the cartels are a problem, but expecting Mexico to do the brunt of the work there when their entire raison d'etre is supplying the enormous demand for drugs from the USA is a bit upside down. Deal with the opioid crisis with functioning programs to help the victims. Also fix your pharma industry and oversight so you don't have Purdue peddling heroin to absolutely everyone again. Not by sending the army after the supply. That hasn't worked so far, ever. You'd think that after the last 30+ years of the War on Drugs, you'd have learned that for every supplier you crack down on, 5 new ones spring up. And when it isn't Mexico it'll be somewhere else. As long as the market is there...
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24734 Posts
February 19 2025 00:16 GMT
#95505
On February 19 2025 02:34 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Any how, Trump is up there in terms of approval.
https://pro.morningconsult.com/trackers/global-leader-approval

I am surprised he is still this popular given the rough ride 19 million federal government employees are getting right now.

I think this is because the people who understand how destructive Trump/Musk are being right now generally didn't approve of him to begin with, and the people who do approve of him generally aren't able to connect the dots yet and understand why the ongoing dismantlement of the government is actually a big deal. The consequences will need to start hitting before approval turns negative. Of course, then it will be too late to undo the damage with any short-term corrective actions.
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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9005 Posts
February 19 2025 00:27 GMT
#95506
On February 19 2025 09:16 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2025 02:34 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Any how, Trump is up there in terms of approval.
https://pro.morningconsult.com/trackers/global-leader-approval

I am surprised he is still this popular given the rough ride 19 million federal government employees are getting right now.

I think this is because the people who understand how destructive Trump/Musk are being right now generally didn't approve of him to begin with, and the people who do approve of him generally aren't able to connect the dots yet and understand why the ongoing dismantlement of the government is actually a big deal. The consequences will need to start hitting before approval turns negative. Of course, then it will be too late to undo the damage with any short-term corrective actions.

That's the scary part. Waiting for the pain to kick and all of the Pikachu faces turning towards us as we stand there shaking our heads. I'm 100% for letting red states (currently living in one) to suffer to the maximum extent, but not all of the people deserve it. So we have to figure something out to stem the tide of pain and suffering that's about to hit by Memorial Day.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23451 Posts
February 19 2025 00:37 GMT
#95507
On February 19 2025 09:16 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2025 02:34 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Any how, Trump is up there in terms of approval.
https://pro.morningconsult.com/trackers/global-leader-approval

I am surprised he is still this popular given the rough ride 19 million federal government employees are getting right now.

I think this is because the people who understand how destructive Trump/Musk are being right now generally didn't approve of him to begin with, and the people who do approve of him generally aren't able to connect the dots yet and understand why the ongoing dismantlement of the government is actually a big deal. The consequences will need to start hitting before approval turns negative. Of course, then it will be too late to undo the damage with any short-term corrective actions.

Feel like they flew past this in the first days. At this point they're getting into "catastrophic" and "irreparable" damage. They have to be stopped, but not enough people will be motivated until it's too late it seems.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14045 Posts
February 19 2025 01:00 GMT
#95508
The time to be modivated to stop him was last november, unfortunetly we had a lot of people working to get him elected thinking he was worth it to achive their goals.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2649 Posts
February 19 2025 06:42 GMT
#95509
Here is a little prediction for our Republican friends.

When Trumps pro-russian peace plan gets presented and gets rejected by Ukraine and Europe the US will pull all support from Ukraine.

It's looking increasingly likely that Europe will take over on their own at that point.

However seeds are already being sown in the media about the US dropping sanction on Russia. I'm thinking I should preempt the propaganda.

The US doesn't really trade with Russia so dropping the sanctions will not give the US much, if anything. However prices on weapon components for Russia will get much, much cheaper and oil and gas revenue will soar. Basically giving oxygen to their very sick economy, which is the main leverage Europe intends to use to end the war on acceptable terms.

Pulling aid entirely will be seen as a betrayal but ending sanctions is an outright hostile act that would only be done to hurt Europe and boost Russia. It will end the alliance between EU and USA for sure.

The only reason to make this move is if Trump is a Russian asset.

I hope I am wrong. But if I'm not considered this post when there starts being talk about normalisation of Russian relations, because there will be a lot of propaganda around on conservative channels. Basically if "they" were right about Trump being a Russian asset what else were they right about?
waaaaaaaaaaaooooow - Felicia, SPF2:T
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5599 Posts
February 19 2025 07:41 GMT
#95510
On February 19 2025 06:51 Billyboy wrote:
I find it concerning that this statement is being made

Show nested quote +
“Barron Trump represents the future of the conservative movement, and we would be honored to have him join College Republicans of America,” CRA President Will Donahue said.


I guess just having the last name makes you the future of the conservative movement. Big cheer for nepotism (or monarchy?).

It's an American thing rather than a conservative thing. But I'm happy we don't have that in Europe.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
Hat Trick of Today
Profile Joined February 2025
140 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-02-19 08:17:05
February 19 2025 08:15 GMT
#95511
On February 19 2025 16:41 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2025 06:51 Billyboy wrote:
I find it concerning that this statement is being made

“Barron Trump represents the future of the conservative movement, and we would be honored to have him join College Republicans of America,” CRA President Will Donahue said.


I guess just having the last name makes you the future of the conservative movement. Big cheer for nepotism (or monarchy?).

It's an American thing rather than a conservative thing. But I'm happy we don't have that in Europe.


Not sure why Europeans keep thinking whatever happens in America stays in America. If you haven’t noticed, Elon Musk is interfering in European politics and much of the right just borrows from the Republicans in much of everything. America, culturally and politically, infects everything whether we want to or not.
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany1077 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-02-19 09:39:13
February 19 2025 08:28 GMT
#95512
On February 19 2025 17:15 Hat Trick of Today wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2025 16:41 Elroi wrote:
On February 19 2025 06:51 Billyboy wrote:
I find it concerning that this statement is being made

“Barron Trump represents the future of the conservative movement, and we would be honored to have him join College Republicans of America,” CRA President Will Donahue said.


I guess just having the last name makes you the future of the conservative movement. Big cheer for nepotism (or monarchy?).

It's an American thing rather than a conservative thing. But I'm happy we don't have that in Europe.


Not sure why Europeans keep thinking whatever happens in America stays in America. If you haven’t noticed, Elon Musk is interfering in European politics and much of the right just borrows from the Republicans in much of everything. America, culturally and politically, infects everything whether we want to or not.



That's not what any european is thinking. It's rather that a semi-senile old man with zero values is now using the us military and economic power like a mob boss to enrich himself and his lieutanants, while sucking up only to mob bosses greater than him.
It took less than 24 hours of Rubio talking to Lawrow, and now Trump mutters stuff like "They shouldn't have started the war" about ukrainians.

Basicly Trump is the Sponge to putin's Koolaid.

Edit:
Super transparent DOGE fires all people responsible to answer "Freedom of Information Act" questions. https://www.commondreams.org/news/cnn-foia-office-of-personnel-management




"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9713 Posts
February 19 2025 09:39 GMT
#95513
Oh no Trump what have you done?

r/law is going absolutely mental about it.

President Trump on Tuesday signed an executive order declaring that only the attorney general or the president, instead of federal regulators or bureaucrats, can speak for the U.S. when interpreting the meaning of laws carried out by the executive branch.

The order was among three executive actions carried out by Mr. Trump. He also signed an executive order expanding access to in vitro fertilization and a memorandum requiring federal agencies to report waste, fraud and abuse that’s uncovered and to detail programs that are eliminated.

Mr. Trump also said Tuesday that he will move forward April 2 with tariffs of roughly 25% on foreign cars and pharmaceuticals but did not specify which nations could be targeted.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium4949 Posts
February 19 2025 09:41 GMT
#95514
Interpretation of law is like... very nuanced. How was he able to EO that?
Taxes are for Terrans
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9713 Posts
February 19 2025 09:44 GMT
#95515
On February 19 2025 18:41 Uldridge wrote:
Interpretation of law is like... very nuanced. How was he able to EO that?

He can do what he wants. Only Trump can interpret the laws saying what you are or are not allowed to do under an EO
RIP Meatloaf <3
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11620 Posts
February 19 2025 09:51 GMT
#95516
Is that basically an Ermächtigungsgesetz? Because it sounds like that.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9713 Posts
February 19 2025 09:54 GMT
#95517
On February 19 2025 18:51 Simberto wrote:
Is that basically an Ermächtigungsgesetz? Because it sounds like that.

I'm no lawyer, so I have no idea really.
Seems to me he's attacking the US's famous separation of powers and bringing some of those powers to the Presidency. But I'm just a guy with no qualifications or expertise in the area.
RIP Meatloaf <3
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany1077 Posts
February 19 2025 10:10 GMT
#95518
Trumps Administration is attacking every non-loyalist on a government payroll that could be in their way.

I don't think the USA will exist 1 year from now at this pace. Checks and Balances removed, what little you have to give to judicacy is tightly in the hand of loyalists, the legislators have basicly thrown in the towel.

What's left is the executive branch that will reign against existing law by threatening everybody who wants to uphold it with instant termination.



"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1927 Posts
February 19 2025 10:15 GMT
#95519
On February 19 2025 18:44 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2025 18:41 Uldridge wrote:
Interpretation of law is like... very nuanced. How was he able to EO that?

He can do what he wants. Only Trump can interpret the laws saying what you are or are not allowed to do under an EO


The problem I see is that if he asks people to break the law, they will not be obliged to do his bidding. Paper is only paper after all.

The dangerous part is using public funding as a wrecking ball to force people to do as he commands, which I expect is the intent here.

How far can he go before mass strikes hit?
Buff the siegetank
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9713 Posts
February 19 2025 10:41 GMT
#95520
On February 19 2025 19:15 Slydie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2025 18:44 Jockmcplop wrote:
On February 19 2025 18:41 Uldridge wrote:
Interpretation of law is like... very nuanced. How was he able to EO that?

He can do what he wants. Only Trump can interpret the laws saying what you are or are not allowed to do under an EO


The problem I see is that if he asks people to break the law, they will not be obliged to do his bidding. Paper is only paper after all.

The dangerous part is using public funding as a wrecking ball to force people to do as he commands, which I expect is the intent here.

How far can he go before mass strikes hit?

TBH I've given up predicting things.
Mass strikes are just as likely as a massive show of support from what I've seen.
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