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KT_Elwood
Germany969 Posts
The web is a huge pacifier for unrest at the moment. It serves as a lighting rod for your immediate dissatifaction, and provides all sorts of distraction. Right wing populism has found the perfect formula to speak to people who feel impotent to change their lifes... make them angry on the internet and then tell them they can DO something with voting for them. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21709 Posts
On February 19 2025 19:15 Slydie wrote: I would be shocked if the US has actual mass strikes at any point in the next 4 years.The problem I see is that if he asks people to break the law, they will not be obliged to do his bidding. Paper is only paper after all. The dangerous part is using public funding as a wrecking ball to force people to do as he commands, which I expect is the intent here. How far can he go before mass strikes hit? | ||
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Hat Trick of Today
103 Posts
On February 19 2025 17:28 KT_Elwood wrote: That's not what any european is thinking. It's rather that a semi-senile old man with zero values is now using the us military and economic power like a mob boss to enrich himself and his lieutanants, while sucking up only to mob bosses greater than him. It took less than 24 hours of Rubio talking to Lawrow, and now Trump mutters stuff like "They shouldn't have started the war" about ukrainians. Basicly Trump is the Sponge to putin's Koolaid. Edit: Super transparent DOGE fires all people responsible to answer "Freedom of Information Act" questions. https://www.commondreams.org/news/cnn-foia-office-of-personnel-management That’s not what I am saying. Politically insulated Europeans absolutely do say that American issues are uniquely American, most common examples being persistent culture wars and vice signalling. They consistently fail to see how European conservatives very readily borrow from American conservatives. This isn’t a particularly new thing either, the Nazis took a lot of inspiration from Manifest Destiny amongst other aspects of American conquest of the continent. The idea that conservatives (or any political entity really) wouldn’t use nepotism and existing cult of personalities to try and create a political dynasty is laughable, even more so the claim that it’s an American thing. To keep things more relevant to American politics, have some egg prices ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/8fhPt87.jpeg) | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23250 Posts
On February 19 2025 19:50 Gorsameth wrote: I would be shocked if the US has actual mass strikes at any point in the next 4 years. This is NOT something that requires Republicans by the way. This is something just Dems could accomplish if they had any desire to actually try to stop Trump. It must be unambiguously clear that Democrats are refusing to support opposing Trump through a general strike for fear it could be used to demand something from them in the future. Their supporters are refusing because they are acting delusionally, ahistorically, and insanely. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21709 Posts
On February 19 2025 20:14 GreenHorizons wrote: No the problem is that American's don't want to, whether or not Democrat politicians want it is irrelevant.This is NOT something that requires Republicans by the way. This is something just Dems could accomplish if they had any desire to actually try to stop Trump. It must be unambiguously clear that Democrats are refusing to support opposing Trump through a general strike for fear it could be used to demand something from them in the future. Their supporters are refusing because they are acting delusionally, ahistorically, and insanely. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44383 Posts
On February 19 2025 20:01 Hat Trick of Today wrote: That’s not what I am saying. Politically insulated Europeans absolutely do say that American issues are uniquely American, most common examples being persistent culture wars and vice signalling. They consistently fail to see how European conservatives very readily borrow from American conservatives. This isn’t a particularly new thing either, the Nazis took a lot of inspiration from Manifest Destiny amongst other aspects of American conquest of the continent. The idea that conservatives (or any political entity really) wouldn’t use nepotism and existing cult of personalities to try and create a political dynasty is laughable, even more so the claim that it’s an American thing. To keep things more relevant to American politics, have some egg prices It would appear that prices are going in the opposite direction of what Trump promised. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23250 Posts
On February 19 2025 20:16 Gorsameth wrote: No the problem is that American's don't want to, whether or not Democrat politicians want it is irrelevant. I included the delusion and irrationality of their supporters. But this idea that Democrats can't (and shouldn't even try to) motivate people/their supporters to do the right thing (in this case engage in a general strike to prevent falling face first into full on fascism) is asinine. I'd also recommend Neb's response to this ridiculous rationalizing. | ||
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Hat Trick of Today
103 Posts
On February 19 2025 20:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: It would appear that prices are going in the opposite direction of what Trump promised. Combine the sticky issue of inflation with credit card debt and I don’t think America is in a good place right now ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/GI66IxN.jpeg) This government putting tariffs on input materials out of all things to put tariffs on makes me think they’re not serious about tackling cost of living and actually want a crash. Indeed, the Bank of America believes growth stocks are in a bubble that could deflate the S&P down 40%. There’s only a few people that are making bank in that environment and it 100% isn’t poor people. I know I made enough for my first home deposit when the stock market hyperventilated during the lockdowns. And I’m just a small fry, venture capitalist assholes like Jason Calacanis would be absolutely begging for a crash to prey on the situation. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18007 Posts
On February 19 2025 20:27 Hat Trick of Today wrote: Combine the sticky issue of inflation with credit card debt and I don’t think America is in a good place right now This government putting tariffs on input materials out of all things to put tariffs on makes me think they’re not serious about tackling cost of living and actually want a crash. Indeed, the Bank of America believes growth stocks are in a bubble that could deflate the S&P down 40%. There’s only a few people that are making bank in that environment and it 100% isn’t poor people. I know I made enough for my first home deposit when the stock market hyperventilated during the lockdowns. And I’m just a small fry, venture capitalist assholes like Jason Calacanis would be absolutely begging for a crash to prey on the situation. Michael Burry has apparently put 90+% of the fund's wealth into shorts on the S&P 500. The last time he was that committed he was correctly predicting the subprime mortgage crash. Of course, it also took a few years to pan out. Anyway, more something for the trading thread than here. Ontopic: I wouldn't expect a Kamala Harris, Hakeem Jeffries or Chuck Schumer to be advocating a general strike. But I would expect it from AOC and the rest of the Squad, but also from pro-union people like Tim Waltz. Here in Europe it is not abmormal to see prominent politicians join in protest marches they believe in. Activism against fascism should be something plenty of Democrats believe in. Maybe not the very top echelon, but plenty of congresspeople should be easily on board. The fact that they aren't weirds me out. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium4800 Posts
I think it's a little bit of shock and a little bit of a disbelief. I hope they grow their teeth back and start biting because if they don't... it all seems to lay bare and up for grabs for those that are willing to. A free power vacuum because one side started a bit of a fire. Weird. We'll see though, there's some time still. At least half the nation is a Democrat, they shouldn't keep putting up with this. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23250 Posts
On February 19 2025 21:03 Uldridge wrote: They're too old, they've lost all their teeth. I think it's a little bit of shock and a little bit of a disbelief. I hope they grow their teeth back and start biting because if they don't... it all seems to lay bare and up for grabs for those that are willing to. A free power vacuum because one side started a bit of a fire. Weird. We'll see though, there's some time still. At least half the nation is a Democrat, they shouldn't keep putting up with this. DPB and the other Dems/libs/ilk are already prepared to vote against Trump in 2028, what more could you want from them? | ||
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EnDeR_
Spain2700 Posts
On February 19 2025 21:18 GreenHorizons wrote: DPB and the other Dems/libs/ilk are already prepared to vote against Trump in 2028, what more could you want from them? DPB and other Dems/libs/ilk in this thread: if a general strike was organised by GH and other Dems/Libs/ilk, would you join it? I know I would. What's actually stopping motivated people like yourself to organise the strike? Definitely not the Dems who, at this point in time, aren't even sure where the head or the tail is located. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44383 Posts
On February 19 2025 21:28 EnDeR_ wrote: DPB and other Dems/libs/ilk in this thread: if a general strike was organised by GH and other Dems/Libs/ilk, would you join it? I know I would. What's actually stopping motivated people like yourself to organise the strike? Definitely not the Dems who, at this point in time, aren't even sure where the head or the tail is located. Sure, why not. What are we actually going on strike for? What are we no longer doing? What are we hoping to change? | ||
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EnDeR_
Spain2700 Posts
On February 19 2025 21:40 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Sure, why not. What are we actually going on strike for? What are we no longer doing? What are we hoping to change? GH, this is your cue. I'd leave the Dems out of the response though! | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23250 Posts
On February 19 2025 21:28 EnDeR_ wrote: DPB and other Dems/libs/ilk in this thread: if a general strike was organised by GH and other Dems/Libs/ilk, would you join it? I know I would. What's actually stopping motivated people like yourself to organise the strike? Definitely not the Dems who, at this point in time, aren't even sure where the head or the tail is located. There's literally one in my OP on my Blog. Has been there for weeks? I also tried to get DPB to sign up while demonstrating how deeply unserious the "thoughts and prayers" strategy DPB and more progressive Dems tend toward is. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18007 Posts
On February 19 2025 21:40 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Sure, why not. What are we actually going on strike for? What are we no longer doing? What are we hoping to change? Strikes are fairly obvious in what you're no longer doing: you're no longer working. Instead of working, you're generally standing in the street calling for some change. What you're hoping to change is presumably a long list of things, but maybe start simple: - Congress should recover control of the budget. - DOGE should fall under the usual congressional oversight. Any DOGE employees (or voluntary "special advisors") that access confidential or sensitive information need to be vetted by the usual channels. - the executive branch should be accountable to the law, as interpreted by the courts. I know this doesn't go anywhere near far enough, but they seem like fairly clear and uncontroversial issues that even oBlade should agree with, yet are clearly being ignored by Trump and his stooges. Despite both Congress and the courts supposedly on their side! Congress is just letting themselves be ignored. When you've achieved the absolute minimum of oversight over Trump's executive branch, maybe the American people will have reinvigorated their activism and more will follow naturally. Or maybe not. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9660 Posts
The article and study are about UK activists, but I'm fairly sure it applies in the US too. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/feb/19/leftwing-activists-less-likely-work-political-rivals-other-uk-groups-study Leftwing activists in Britain are less likely to work with their political opponents than other groups and more likely to think those holding different views have been misled, a study has found. The study by the polling group More in Common finds that 8-10% of the population, whom they classify under the heading “progressive activists”, hold strikingly different views on a range of issues than the rest of Britain. The research also shows the group is more likely to dislike and criticise those that disagree with them than other voting blocs, a trait the report’s authors argue has contributed to the repeated failure of progressive campaigns and the rise of the global far right. Luke Tryl, an executive director at More in Common and co-author of the study, said: “Progressive activists are the backbone of many of the UK’s campaigning organisations and have often been the drivers of social change in the UK. However, their political outlook and approach to bringing about change makes them outliers from much of the wider public and those they are trying to win over. It does alot of stating the obvious, but also applies heavily to half the conversations that occur in this thread. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21709 Posts
Instead you get nebulous things that are either already true or can't really be checked. Congress passes the budget, that the rubber stamp what others have told them to do is not relevant to the constitution. The executive is still accountable to the law until such a point as a case actually gets to the SC, gets ruled against Trump and he just ignores it with no consequence. And they control the SC so they can just rule in Trumps favor. | ||
KwarK
United States42785 Posts
People still believe in a rule of law that no longer exists, and that’s why they’ll lose. They believe that as they’re detained indefinitely they’ll cry out “actually you’re not allowed to do this” and a bald eagle will break them out of jail. They believe that a general will refuse to follow orders, but also Trump won’t be able to dismiss that general and replace him with one who will. They don’t understand that they lost. That the Trump White House has already started simply ignoring court orders it doesn’t like. This strike nonsense is nowhere near radical enough. If you plan to challenge the US government with direct action then you can’t also count on the power of the state to protect you from itself. | ||
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oBlade
United States5616 Posts
On February 19 2025 17:28 KT_Elwood wrote: That's not what any european is thinking. It's rather that a semi-senile old man with zero values is now using the us military and economic power like a mob boss to enrich himself and his lieutanants, while sucking up only to mob bosses greater than him. It took less than 24 hours of Rubio talking to Lawrow, and now Trump mutters stuff like "They shouldn't have started the war" about ukrainians. Basicly Trump is the Sponge to putin's Koolaid. Edit: Super transparent DOGE fires all people responsible to answer "Freedom of Information Act" questions. https://www.commondreams.org/news/cnn-foia-office-of-personnel-management The OPM does not handle FOIA inquires for the entire federal government. Also as an aside, FOIA is another thing needing great reform, you wait half a year for a redacted page of nothing. For "Freedom of Information Act," it's not information, it's not free, the only true thing in the name is that it's acting. | ||
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