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On February 19 2025 22:16 KwarK wrote:
Trump, and his chosen cult of yes men, are enthusiastic about the prospect of using force against American citizens. They genuinely believe that their culture war is a real war and that there is a real enemy that is trying to destroy America by teaching history and measuring co2 levels etc. The idea that they’re going to back down from a challenge because some people go on strike is madness, they want people to go on strike, they want people to protest, they’re eager for the fight, they think they’ll win it by using force. Protest and facial recognition AI will put you on the list. Organize using social media and the security services will log every participant.
People still believe in a rule of law that no longer exists, and that’s why they’ll lose. They believe that as they’re detained indefinitely they’ll cry out “actually you’re not allowed to do this” and a bald eagle will break them out of jail. They believe that a general will refuse to follow orders, but also Trump won’t be able to dismiss that general and replace him with one who will. They don’t understand that they lost. That the Trump White House has already started simply ignoring court orders it doesn’t like.
This strike nonsense is nowhere near radical enough. If you plan to challenge the US government with direct action then you can’t also count on the power of the state to protect you from itself.
That may be true, it may also be false. The first step in demanding change is to actually demand it. If you say it's going to fail, so better not try, you have already failed.
If Trump's answer to a general strike and mass protests is to send in the national guard then obeying that order is up to the national guard. If the army obeys the dictator, there is generally very little you can do. But the US having a Tiananmen Square moment would definitely change peoples' minds about what society they live in. If, instead, you get a Tahrir Square moment then you live in a very different society. Or maybe it doesn't escalate that far in the first place. In any case, if you don't protest the abuse of power, why should anyone stop abusing it?
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On February 19 2025 22:41 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2025 22:16 KwarK wrote:
Trump, and his chosen cult of yes men, are enthusiastic about the prospect of using force against American citizens. They genuinely believe that their culture war is a real war and that there is a real enemy that is trying to destroy America by teaching history and measuring co2 levels etc. The idea that they’re going to back down from a challenge because some people go on strike is madness, they want people to go on strike, they want people to protest, they’re eager for the fight, they think they’ll win it by using force. Protest and facial recognition AI will put you on the list. Organize using social media and the security services will log every participant.
People still believe in a rule of law that no longer exists, and that’s why they’ll lose. They believe that as they’re detained indefinitely they’ll cry out “actually you’re not allowed to do this” and a bald eagle will break them out of jail. They believe that a general will refuse to follow orders, but also Trump won’t be able to dismiss that general and replace him with one who will. They don’t understand that they lost. That the Trump White House has already started simply ignoring court orders it doesn’t like.
This strike nonsense is nowhere near radical enough. If you plan to challenge the US government with direct action then you can’t also count on the power of the state to protect you from itself. That may be true, it may also be false. The first step in demanding change is to actually demand it. If you say it's going to fail, so better not try, you have already failed. If Trump's answer to a general strike and mass protests is to send in the national guard then obeying that order is up to the national guard. If the army obeys the dictator, there is generally very little you can do. But the US having a Tiananmen Square moment would definitely change peoples' minds about what society they live in. If, instead, you get a Tahrir Square moment then you live in a very different society. Or maybe it doesn't escalate that far in the first place. In any case, if you don't protest the abuse of power, why should anyone stop abusing it?
There are other forms of direct action.
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On February 19 2025 22:48 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2025 22:41 Acrofales wrote:On February 19 2025 22:16 KwarK wrote:
Trump, and his chosen cult of yes men, are enthusiastic about the prospect of using force against American citizens. They genuinely believe that their culture war is a real war and that there is a real enemy that is trying to destroy America by teaching history and measuring co2 levels etc. The idea that they’re going to back down from a challenge because some people go on strike is madness, they want people to go on strike, they want people to protest, they’re eager for the fight, they think they’ll win it by using force. Protest and facial recognition AI will put you on the list. Organize using social media and the security services will log every participant.
People still believe in a rule of law that no longer exists, and that’s why they’ll lose. They believe that as they’re detained indefinitely they’ll cry out “actually you’re not allowed to do this” and a bald eagle will break them out of jail. They believe that a general will refuse to follow orders, but also Trump won’t be able to dismiss that general and replace him with one who will. They don’t understand that they lost. That the Trump White House has already started simply ignoring court orders it doesn’t like.
This strike nonsense is nowhere near radical enough. If you plan to challenge the US government with direct action then you can’t also count on the power of the state to protect you from itself. That may be true, it may also be false. The first step in demanding change is to actually demand it. If you say it's going to fail, so better not try, you have already failed. If Trump's answer to a general strike and mass protests is to send in the national guard then obeying that order is up to the national guard. If the army obeys the dictator, there is generally very little you can do. But the US having a Tiananmen Square moment would definitely change peoples' minds about what society they live in. If, instead, you get a Tahrir Square moment then you live in a very different society. Or maybe it doesn't escalate that far in the first place. In any case, if you don't protest the abuse of power, why should anyone stop abusing it? There are other forms of direct action.
I think we're all open to suggestions here, so spitball with us! What do you think should be done to halt Trump's autocratic takeover?
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On February 19 2025 22:52 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2025 22:48 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2025 22:41 Acrofales wrote:On February 19 2025 22:16 KwarK wrote:
Trump, and his chosen cult of yes men, are enthusiastic about the prospect of using force against American citizens. They genuinely believe that their culture war is a real war and that there is a real enemy that is trying to destroy America by teaching history and measuring co2 levels etc. The idea that they’re going to back down from a challenge because some people go on strike is madness, they want people to go on strike, they want people to protest, they’re eager for the fight, they think they’ll win it by using force. Protest and facial recognition AI will put you on the list. Organize using social media and the security services will log every participant.
People still believe in a rule of law that no longer exists, and that’s why they’ll lose. They believe that as they’re detained indefinitely they’ll cry out “actually you’re not allowed to do this” and a bald eagle will break them out of jail. They believe that a general will refuse to follow orders, but also Trump won’t be able to dismiss that general and replace him with one who will. They don’t understand that they lost. That the Trump White House has already started simply ignoring court orders it doesn’t like.
This strike nonsense is nowhere near radical enough. If you plan to challenge the US government with direct action then you can’t also count on the power of the state to protect you from itself. That may be true, it may also be false. The first step in demanding change is to actually demand it. If you say it's going to fail, so better not try, you have already failed. If Trump's answer to a general strike and mass protests is to send in the national guard then obeying that order is up to the national guard. If the army obeys the dictator, there is generally very little you can do. But the US having a Tiananmen Square moment would definitely change peoples' minds about what society they live in. If, instead, you get a Tahrir Square moment then you live in a very different society. Or maybe it doesn't escalate that far in the first place. In any case, if you don't protest the abuse of power, why should anyone stop abusing it? There are other forms of direct action. I think we're all open to suggestions here, so spitball with us! What do you think should be done to halt Trump's autocratic takeover?
There was an entire historical period in which vast amounts of money was spent on both the theory and the practical testing and application of tools to deal with fascist states. Everybody, including you, knows what works against fascists once they wield the powers of a state.
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@oBlade
Just use this as copy-pasta:
It's not true!
Okay it's true but wasn't meant like this!
Okay it's true and meant like this but not bad!
Okay it's bad but not our fault!
Okay it's our fault but it was worse before!
Would save you a lot of time.
I guess you positively reassure me that all other federal orgs still are abke to answer FOIA requests?
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On February 19 2025 22:56 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2025 22:52 Acrofales wrote:On February 19 2025 22:48 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2025 22:41 Acrofales wrote:On February 19 2025 22:16 KwarK wrote:
Trump, and his chosen cult of yes men, are enthusiastic about the prospect of using force against American citizens. They genuinely believe that their culture war is a real war and that there is a real enemy that is trying to destroy America by teaching history and measuring co2 levels etc. The idea that they’re going to back down from a challenge because some people go on strike is madness, they want people to go on strike, they want people to protest, they’re eager for the fight, they think they’ll win it by using force. Protest and facial recognition AI will put you on the list. Organize using social media and the security services will log every participant.
People still believe in a rule of law that no longer exists, and that’s why they’ll lose. They believe that as they’re detained indefinitely they’ll cry out “actually you’re not allowed to do this” and a bald eagle will break them out of jail. They believe that a general will refuse to follow orders, but also Trump won’t be able to dismiss that general and replace him with one who will. They don’t understand that they lost. That the Trump White House has already started simply ignoring court orders it doesn’t like.
This strike nonsense is nowhere near radical enough. If you plan to challenge the US government with direct action then you can’t also count on the power of the state to protect you from itself. That may be true, it may also be false. The first step in demanding change is to actually demand it. If you say it's going to fail, so better not try, you have already failed. If Trump's answer to a general strike and mass protests is to send in the national guard then obeying that order is up to the national guard. If the army obeys the dictator, there is generally very little you can do. But the US having a Tiananmen Square moment would definitely change peoples' minds about what society they live in. If, instead, you get a Tahrir Square moment then you live in a very different society. Or maybe it doesn't escalate that far in the first place. In any case, if you don't protest the abuse of power, why should anyone stop abusing it? There are other forms of direct action. I think we're all open to suggestions here, so spitball with us! What do you think should be done to halt Trump's autocratic takeover? There was an entire historical period in which vast amounts of money was spent on both the theory and the practical testing and application of tools to deal with fascist states. Everybody, including you, knows what works against fascists once they wield the powers of a state.
So you think we're in 1939-stage fascism? I don't think you've had your Night of the Long Knives yet. At the very least you should try to set your Reichstag on fire first, right?
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On February 19 2025 22:16 KwarK wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Trump, and his chosen cult of yes men, are enthusiastic about the prospect of using force against American citizens. They genuinely believe that their culture war is a real war and that there is a real enemy that is trying to destroy America by teaching history and measuring co2 levels etc. The idea that they’re going to back down from a challenge because some people go on strike is madness, they want people to go on strike, they want people to protest, they’re eager for the fight, they think they’ll win it by using force. Protest and facial recognition AI will put you on the list. Organize using social media and the security services will log every participant.
People still believe in a rule of law that no longer exists, and that’s why they’ll lose. They believe that as they’re detained indefinitely they’ll cry out “actually you’re not allowed to do this” and a bald eagle will break them out of jail. They believe that a general will refuse to follow orders, but also Trump won’t be able to dismiss that general and replace him with one who will. They don’t understand that they lost. That the Trump White House has already started simply ignoring court orders it doesn’t like.
This strike nonsense is nowhere near radical enough. If you plan to challenge the US government with direct action then you can’t also count on the power of the state to protect you from itself. Maybe...Like Acro says...
It is true that people should have been having/practicing general strikes on and off since the public option during the ACA fight. But back then you and every other lib/Dem/ilk (including maybe even myself at that time) would have said that's TOO radical. Right up until when progressives should have been joining in on a general strike effort around stopping the aiding and abetting of genocide. When they still argued (much less extreme protests) were too radical and needlessly hurt Biden/Harris and so instead everyone must fall in line.
Basically none of these libs/Dems/ilk have any comprehension of the mass protests and support for the rise of the third party by working class progressives (instead of them cowering in obsequiousness to Democrats) that led to all the remotely "positive" legislation in the New Deal (especially the "Second New Deal").
Your plan to yell at voters to fall in line instead of Democrats to do better at getting votes has failed. Now you think the only viable solutions are those you rejected until now and are rooted in playing GTA. Are you going to engage in playing GTA, are you going to pick up your baton against those that do, or you going to hope you can find somewhere to run and hide?
EDIT: It would seem based on your posting you're choosing picking up a baton to beat people trying to save each other and/or fleeing in vain to save your own skin
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On February 19 2025 22:56 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2025 22:52 Acrofales wrote:On February 19 2025 22:48 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2025 22:41 Acrofales wrote:On February 19 2025 22:16 KwarK wrote:
Trump, and his chosen cult of yes men, are enthusiastic about the prospect of using force against American citizens. They genuinely believe that their culture war is a real war and that there is a real enemy that is trying to destroy America by teaching history and measuring co2 levels etc. The idea that they’re going to back down from a challenge because some people go on strike is madness, they want people to go on strike, they want people to protest, they’re eager for the fight, they think they’ll win it by using force. Protest and facial recognition AI will put you on the list. Organize using social media and the security services will log every participant.
People still believe in a rule of law that no longer exists, and that’s why they’ll lose. They believe that as they’re detained indefinitely they’ll cry out “actually you’re not allowed to do this” and a bald eagle will break them out of jail. They believe that a general will refuse to follow orders, but also Trump won’t be able to dismiss that general and replace him with one who will. They don’t understand that they lost. That the Trump White House has already started simply ignoring court orders it doesn’t like.
This strike nonsense is nowhere near radical enough. If you plan to challenge the US government with direct action then you can’t also count on the power of the state to protect you from itself. That may be true, it may also be false. The first step in demanding change is to actually demand it. If you say it's going to fail, so better not try, you have already failed. If Trump's answer to a general strike and mass protests is to send in the national guard then obeying that order is up to the national guard. If the army obeys the dictator, there is generally very little you can do. But the US having a Tiananmen Square moment would definitely change peoples' minds about what society they live in. If, instead, you get a Tahrir Square moment then you live in a very different society. Or maybe it doesn't escalate that far in the first place. In any case, if you don't protest the abuse of power, why should anyone stop abusing it? There are other forms of direct action. I think we're all open to suggestions here, so spitball with us! What do you think should be done to halt Trump's autocratic takeover? There was an entire historical period in which vast amounts of money was spent on both the theory and the practical testing and application of tools to deal with fascist states. Everybody, including you, knows what works against fascists once they wield the powers of a state.
If you genuinely believe what you’re saying @KwarK, where do you go from there? What actions are you taking (or CAN you take) to manifest your desired outcome in reality?
Asking for a friend.
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On February 19 2025 22:59 KT_Elwood wrote:
@oBlade
Just use this as copy-pasta:
It's not true!
Okay it's true but wasn't meant like this!
Okay it's true and meant like this but not bad!
Okay it's bad but not our fault!
Okay it's our fault but it was worse before!
Would save you a lot of time.
I guess you positively reassure me that all other federal orgs still are abke to answer FOIA requests?
It depends on the agency, none of them are particularly good at it that I'm aware of for consequential information.
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On February 19 2025 23:07 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2025 22:56 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2025 22:52 Acrofales wrote:On February 19 2025 22:48 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2025 22:41 Acrofales wrote:On February 19 2025 22:16 KwarK wrote:
Trump, and his chosen cult of yes men, are enthusiastic about the prospect of using force against American citizens. They genuinely believe that their culture war is a real war and that there is a real enemy that is trying to destroy America by teaching history and measuring co2 levels etc. The idea that they’re going to back down from a challenge because some people go on strike is madness, they want people to go on strike, they want people to protest, they’re eager for the fight, they think they’ll win it by using force. Protest and facial recognition AI will put you on the list. Organize using social media and the security services will log every participant.
People still believe in a rule of law that no longer exists, and that’s why they’ll lose. They believe that as they’re detained indefinitely they’ll cry out “actually you’re not allowed to do this” and a bald eagle will break them out of jail. They believe that a general will refuse to follow orders, but also Trump won’t be able to dismiss that general and replace him with one who will. They don’t understand that they lost. That the Trump White House has already started simply ignoring court orders it doesn’t like.
This strike nonsense is nowhere near radical enough. If you plan to challenge the US government with direct action then you can’t also count on the power of the state to protect you from itself. That may be true, it may also be false. The first step in demanding change is to actually demand it. If you say it's going to fail, so better not try, you have already failed. If Trump's answer to a general strike and mass protests is to send in the national guard then obeying that order is up to the national guard. If the army obeys the dictator, there is generally very little you can do. But the US having a Tiananmen Square moment would definitely change peoples' minds about what society they live in. If, instead, you get a Tahrir Square moment then you live in a very different society. Or maybe it doesn't escalate that far in the first place. In any case, if you don't protest the abuse of power, why should anyone stop abusing it? There are other forms of direct action. I think we're all open to suggestions here, so spitball with us! What do you think should be done to halt Trump's autocratic takeover? There was an entire historical period in which vast amounts of money was spent on both the theory and the practical testing and application of tools to deal with fascist states. Everybody, including you, knows what works against fascists once they wield the powers of a state. So you think we're in 1939-stage fascism? I don't think you've had your Night of the Long Knives yet. At the very least you should try to set your Reichstag on fire first, right?
They’re control big tech. They control the apps people use for communication. They control popular media. They’ve stacked the courts and are simply ignoring court orders they don’t like. They’ve removed all oversight and are concentrating executive power which they’ve also removed all restrictions on. They’ve had everyone wiretapped for decades. They’ve had Fox News on constantly in every army barracks for decades.
We lost. The reason it was so important to vote Democrat in November was to avoid handing them the keys to the kingdom. But people were too morally pure to vote against the takeover and now those same people are going “what if we just tell the king no” as if the king gives a shit what they think. They wasted their shot.
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Theoretically, with all the massive power grabs and badly thought out executive orders Trump is dishing out, I'm wondering what would happen if a socialist could get elected after Trump.
Could they dismantle the entire world capitalist economic system with a couple of EOs after all the prep work Trump has done hoarding the power in the executive branch?
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On February 19 2025 23:38 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2025 23:07 Acrofales wrote:On February 19 2025 22:56 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2025 22:52 Acrofales wrote:On February 19 2025 22:48 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2025 22:41 Acrofales wrote:On February 19 2025 22:16 KwarK wrote:
Trump, and his chosen cult of yes men, are enthusiastic about the prospect of using force against American citizens. They genuinely believe that their culture war is a real war and that there is a real enemy that is trying to destroy America by teaching history and measuring co2 levels etc. The idea that they’re going to back down from a challenge because some people go on strike is madness, they want people to go on strike, they want people to protest, they’re eager for the fight, they think they’ll win it by using force. Protest and facial recognition AI will put you on the list. Organize using social media and the security services will log every participant.
People still believe in a rule of law that no longer exists, and that’s why they’ll lose. They believe that as they’re detained indefinitely they’ll cry out “actually you’re not allowed to do this” and a bald eagle will break them out of jail. They believe that a general will refuse to follow orders, but also Trump won’t be able to dismiss that general and replace him with one who will. They don’t understand that they lost. That the Trump White House has already started simply ignoring court orders it doesn’t like.
This strike nonsense is nowhere near radical enough. If you plan to challenge the US government with direct action then you can’t also count on the power of the state to protect you from itself. That may be true, it may also be false. The first step in demanding change is to actually demand it. If you say it's going to fail, so better not try, you have already failed. If Trump's answer to a general strike and mass protests is to send in the national guard then obeying that order is up to the national guard. If the army obeys the dictator, there is generally very little you can do. But the US having a Tiananmen Square moment would definitely change peoples' minds about what society they live in. If, instead, you get a Tahrir Square moment then you live in a very different society. Or maybe it doesn't escalate that far in the first place. In any case, if you don't protest the abuse of power, why should anyone stop abusing it? There are other forms of direct action. I think we're all open to suggestions here, so spitball with us! What do you think should be done to halt Trump's autocratic takeover? There was an entire historical period in which vast amounts of money was spent on both the theory and the practical testing and application of tools to deal with fascist states. Everybody, including you, knows what works against fascists once they wield the powers of a state. So you think we're in 1939-stage fascism? I don't think you've had your Night of the Long Knives yet. At the very least you should try to set your Reichstag on fire first, right? They’re control big tech. They control the apps people use for communication. They control popular media. They’ve stacked the courts and are simply ignoring court orders they don’t like. They’ve removed all oversight and are concentrating executive power which they’ve also removed all restrictions on. They’ve had everyone wiretapped for decades. They’ve had Fox News on constantly in every army barracks for decades. We lost. The reason it was so important to vote Democrat in November was to avoid handing them the keys to the kingdom. But people were too morally pure to vote against the takeover and now those same people are going “what if we just tell the king no” as if the king gives a shit what they think. They wasted their shot.
That's the funny part imo. Rs told everyone what they planned to do and dared the populace to stop them. They called the bluff and are now doing exactly what they said they would do. People being astonished is weird. Those that sat out, voted other, or voted trump to spite Ds hold so much blame it's sad. They can't even see that they are part of the problem and now want those that did their job to stop this, to help them correct their mistakes. All the while lambasting them and looking down their noses. Regardless of if the Ds did enough to "earn" your vote, this was preventable.
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I should tell Manchester United about this strategy of blaming the goalposts for your failure to score. They need it this season.
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On February 20 2025 00:13 Jockmcplop wrote:
I should tell Manchester United about this strategy of blaming the goalposts for your failure to score. They need it this season.
I'm sure they'll be more effective than the Ds who lost to trump. Let me know how that works out for them!
E: But I'd like to know why you think those that didn't help to keep this from happening is absolved of blame. That's probably where we are not seeing eye to eye.
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On February 20 2025 00:07 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2025 23:38 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2025 23:07 Acrofales wrote:On February 19 2025 22:56 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2025 22:52 Acrofales wrote:On February 19 2025 22:48 KwarK wrote:On February 19 2025 22:41 Acrofales wrote:On February 19 2025 22:16 KwarK wrote:
Trump, and his chosen cult of yes men, are enthusiastic about the prospect of using force against American citizens. They genuinely believe that their culture war is a real war and that there is a real enemy that is trying to destroy America by teaching history and measuring co2 levels etc. The idea that they’re going to back down from a challenge because some people go on strike is madness, they want people to go on strike, they want people to protest, they’re eager for the fight, they think they’ll win it by using force. Protest and facial recognition AI will put you on the list. Organize using social media and the security services will log every participant.
People still believe in a rule of law that no longer exists, and that’s why they’ll lose. They believe that as they’re detained indefinitely they’ll cry out “actually you’re not allowed to do this” and a bald eagle will break them out of jail. They believe that a general will refuse to follow orders, but also Trump won’t be able to dismiss that general and replace him with one who will. They don’t understand that they lost. That the Trump White House has already started simply ignoring court orders it doesn’t like.
This strike nonsense is nowhere near radical enough. If you plan to challenge the US government with direct action then you can’t also count on the power of the state to protect you from itself. That may be true, it may also be false. The first step in demanding change is to actually demand it. If you say it's going to fail, so better not try, you have already failed. If Trump's answer to a general strike and mass protests is to send in the national guard then obeying that order is up to the national guard. If the army obeys the dictator, there is generally very little you can do. But the US having a Tiananmen Square moment would definitely change peoples' minds about what society they live in. If, instead, you get a Tahrir Square moment then you live in a very different society. Or maybe it doesn't escalate that far in the first place. In any case, if you don't protest the abuse of power, why should anyone stop abusing it? There are other forms of direct action. I think we're all open to suggestions here, so spitball with us! What do you think should be done to halt Trump's autocratic takeover? There was an entire historical period in which vast amounts of money was spent on both the theory and the practical testing and application of tools to deal with fascist states. Everybody, including you, knows what works against fascists once they wield the powers of a state. So you think we're in 1939-stage fascism? I don't think you've had your Night of the Long Knives yet. At the very least you should try to set your Reichstag on fire first, right? They’re control big tech. They control the apps people use for communication. They control popular media. They’ve stacked the courts and are simply ignoring court orders they don’t like. They’ve removed all oversight and are concentrating executive power which they’ve also removed all restrictions on. They’ve had everyone wiretapped for decades. They’ve had Fox News on constantly in every army barracks for decades. We lost. The reason it was so important to vote Democrat in November was to avoid handing them the keys to the kingdom. But people were too morally pure to vote against the takeover and now those same people are going “what if we just tell the king no” as if the king gives a shit what they think. They wasted their shot. That's the funny part imo. Rs told everyone what they planned to do and dared the populace to stop them. They called the bluff and are now doing exactly what they said they would do. People being astonished is weird. Those that sat out, voted other, or voted trump to spite Ds hold so much blame it's sad. They can't even see that they are part of the problem and now want those that did their job to stop this, to help them correct their mistakes. All the while lambasting them and looking down their noses. Regardless of if the Ds did enough to "earn" your vote, this was preventable.
@Ender, Acro, Drone, Uldridge, Slydie, Jock, etc... Do you see now how the lib/Dem/ilk went straight from "protests and strikes against genocide are too radical and hurt the status quo politicians we want to elect" to "it's too late for protests and strikes, everyone should give up" because they are too emotionally immature to admit that decades of their refusal to stop falling in line and remember the 1900's-1960's strategies of demanding more through direct action has led to these catastrophic consequences.
Instead they want to reduce decades of their and their politicians (and the media's) failures to one night were millions of their own 2020 voters (not me or people like me) didn't show up to vote for them again (this time with extra genocide) in 2024 after Democrats/loyalists gaslit the hell out of them about Biden's mental/physical fitness to campaign/run the country starting well before the primary.
It's childish, it's asinine, and it's how Trump is getting away with all this without Democrats or their supporters having any intention of doing anything about it.
If you're not going to join in playing GTA Kwark, Zero, DPB, etc... you can at least have the decency to drop your batons and run like cowards (hell if I know where) instead.
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On February 20 2025 00:23 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2025 00:13 Jockmcplop wrote:
I should tell Manchester United about this strategy of blaming the goalposts for your failure to score. They need it this season. I'm sure they'll be more effective than the Ds who lost to trump. Let me know how that works out for them! E: But I'd like to know why you think those that didn't help to keep this from happening is absolved of blame. That's probably where we are not seeing eye to eye.
Because it is not a voters job to vote for who ZerOCoolSC2 thinks they should vote for.
It is their job to vote for who they want to vote for on election night.
The job of the political parties during their campaigns and their time in power is to MAKE the voters want to vote for them by enacting and promising policies that collect voters.
Clearly the failure here was the Democrats. Its absolutely 100% clear.
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This batons nonsense is asinine and I wish you’d stop it. Your insistence that you’re morally purer than others because you imagine them acting as a coercive arm of the state while you imagine yourself as a brave freedom fighter is ridiculous and childish. Especially coming from a fucking tankie who would be cheering for the gulag if it was veiled in anti Americanism. I’d try to explain to you the importance of people actually doing the thing before you convict them of it but you wouldn’t understand.
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On February 20 2025 00:29 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2025 00:23 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On February 20 2025 00:13 Jockmcplop wrote:
I should tell Manchester United about this strategy of blaming the goalposts for your failure to score. They need it this season. I'm sure they'll be more effective than the Ds who lost to trump. Let me know how that works out for them! E: But I'd like to know why you think those that didn't help to keep this from happening is absolved of blame. That's probably where we are not seeing eye to eye. Because it is not a voters job to vote for who ZerOCoolSC2 thinks they should vote for. It is their job to vote for who they want to vote for on election night. The job of the political parties during their campaigns and their time in power is to MAKE the voters want to vote for them by enacting and promising policies that collect voters. Clearly the failure here was the Democrats. Its absolutely 100% clear.
Because the Democrats wouldn’t sell out the trans community and Palestine as hard as the voting public demanded.
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