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https://hechingerreport.org/opinion-the-new-administration-could-be-on-the-verge-of-destroying-public-education-as-we-know-it/
When he says that he will stop the motor of the world, is he a destroyer or a liberator?
On January 30 2025 16:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
I just saw a report that said the 15 states that rely most on federal funding for education to keep their schools open voted for Trump, and are now panicking because he wants to stop the department of education from funding schools.
Teachers will lose their jobs, class sizes will go up and the quality of education will take a huge hit.
The Trump voting teachers can scarcely believe what it is they actually voted for. They are terrified for the future under Trump now.
It goes to show how powerful sloganing like "America First" can be. It can convince people to vote for policies that obviously make America worse, that were public knowledge and of actual interest to these particular voters.
Crazy.
Proponents state this is short term chaos for long term benefit. If the ideological propaganda to which these institutions adhere in their operations runs contrary to the outlined directives they lose their funding. meh.
These days educational institutions hold far less relevance. Unless you're entering a profession ... You can learn on your own. Even then some professions can now be entered with a lot less government sponsored education.
Overall, the US education system must be overhauled because it is producing some of the fattest most unhealthy children of any 1st world country. Blow It Up Donald!
Trump has been under a microscope for 10 years and has increased in popularity because he has done a decent job so far. During that same time period PM Justin Trudeau sounds very soothing and diplomatic while he led Canada to a very steady decline. By contrast, Trump is abrasive, bombastic and full of bluster. Style doesn't really matter though... all that matters are the results. I'm reasonably satisfied with Trump's performance so far.
Regarding your comment about powerful slogans...
Trump is promising the sun, the moon, and the stars to Americans. If Trump can deliver the kind of economic growth and quality of life improvements for average people that Reagan did I'll be more than "reasonably satisfied" with The Donald. However, Trump has yet to do that. It is really smart of Trump to adopt Reagan's "Make American Great Again" slogan.
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On January 30 2025 17:13 JimmyJRaynor wrote:https://hechingerreport.org/opinion-the-new-administration-could-be-on-the-verge-of-destroying-public-education-as-we-know-it/When he says that he will stop the motor of the world, is he a destroyer or a liberator? Show nested quote +On January 30 2025 16:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
I just saw a report that said the 15 states that rely most on federal funding for education to keep their schools open voted for Trump, and are now panicking because he wants to stop the department of education from funding schools.
Teachers will lose their jobs, class sizes will go up and the quality of education will take a huge hit.
The Trump voting teachers can scarcely believe what it is they actually voted for. They are terrified for the future under Trump now.
It goes to show how powerful sloganing like "America First" can be. It can convince people to vote for policies that obviously make America worse, that were public knowledge and of actual interest to these particular voters.
Crazy. Proponents state this is short term chaos for long term benefit. If the ideological propaganda to which these institutions adhere in their operations runs contrary to the outlined directives they lose their funding. meh. These days educational institutions hold far less relevance. Unless you're entering a profession ... You can learn on your own. Even then some professions can now be entered with a lot less government sponsored education. Overall, the US education system must be overhauled because it is producing some of the fattest most unhealthy children of any 1st world country. Blow It Up Donald! Trump has been under a microscope for 10 years and has increased in popularity because he has done a decent job so far. During that same time period PM Justin Trudeau sounds very soothing and diplomatic while he led Canada to a very steady decline. By contrast, Trump is abrasive, bombastic and full of bluster. Style doesn't really matter though... all that matters are the results. I'm reasonably satisfied with Trump's performance so far. Regarding your comment about powerful slogans...Trump is promising the sun, the moon, and the stars to Americans. If Trump can deliver the kind of economic growth and quality of life improvements for average people that Reagan did I'll be more than "reasonably satisfied" with The Donald. However, Trump has yet to do that. It is really smart of Trump to adopt Reagan's "Make American Great Again" slogan.
I don't mind the 'blow it up all up' attitude as long as there is a comprehensive plan about what to do with the rubble.
Otherwise you are just destroying the very idea of education.
In other insane US news, its now illegal in Tennessee for elected officials to vote against policies they don't like:
https://tennesseelookout.com/2025/01/29/bill-criminalizing-votes-for-immigrant-sanctuary-policies-constitutionally-suspect/
As Gov. Bill Lee’s immigration enforcement plan moves swiftly through the Tennessee Legislature, one component of the bill — aimed at arresting local officials who support sanctuary policies for immigrants — drew scrutiny Tuesday.
Included in the governor’s wide-ranging proposal to coordinate with the Trump Administration on mass immigrant detentions and deportations is a provision that creates a Class E felony for public officials who vote to adopt or enact sanctuary policies. Sanctuary policies can shield undocumented immigrants and limit cooperation with enforcement action
The felony charge, punishable by up to six years in prison and a $3,000 fine, would apply to any public official who votes in favor of a sanctuary law, policy or on non-binding resolutions.
Sen. Todd Gardenhire, the Republican chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, blasted the provision Tuesday as a “dangerous precedent.”
“We are a Republic, and a Republic is one that we elect people to vote the way they feel like is best for the district, the city, county or the state,” he said.
“If we set the precedent of penalizing any elected official for voting their conscience, whether it’s good or bad, then we set a dangerous precedent for the future,” he said.
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We know why Republicans want to destroy the Education system and it sure isn't to build a better one.
Uneducated people are easier to fool.
And yes to public school teachers who vote Republican and are now surprised I ask where they have been the last god knows how many decades. Because everyone that payed any sort of attention saw this coming. Republicans have been trying to destroy education for decades.
Leopards eating faces voters surprised the leopard eats their face.
I have no more fucks to give.
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On January 30 2025 17:34 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2025 17:13 JimmyJRaynor wrote:https://hechingerreport.org/opinion-the-new-administration-could-be-on-the-verge-of-destroying-public-education-as-we-know-it/When he says that he will stop the motor of the world, is he a destroyer or a liberator? On January 30 2025 16:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
I just saw a report that said the 15 states that rely most on federal funding for education to keep their schools open voted for Trump, and are now panicking because he wants to stop the department of education from funding schools.
Teachers will lose their jobs, class sizes will go up and the quality of education will take a huge hit.
The Trump voting teachers can scarcely believe what it is they actually voted for. They are terrified for the future under Trump now.
It goes to show how powerful sloganing like "America First" can be. It can convince people to vote for policies that obviously make America worse, that were public knowledge and of actual interest to these particular voters.
Crazy. Proponents state this is short term chaos for long term benefit. If the ideological propaganda to which these institutions adhere in their operations runs contrary to the outlined directives they lose their funding. meh. These days educational institutions hold far less relevance. Unless you're entering a profession ... You can learn on your own. Even then some professions can now be entered with a lot less government sponsored education. Overall, the US education system must be overhauled because it is producing some of the fattest most unhealthy children of any 1st world country. Blow It Up Donald! Trump has been under a microscope for 10 years and has increased in popularity because he has done a decent job so far. During that same time period PM Justin Trudeau sounds very soothing and diplomatic while he led Canada to a very steady decline. By contrast, Trump is abrasive, bombastic and full of bluster. Style doesn't really matter though... all that matters are the results. I'm reasonably satisfied with Trump's performance so far. Regarding your comment about powerful slogans...Trump is promising the sun, the moon, and the stars to Americans. If Trump can deliver the kind of economic growth and quality of life improvements for average people that Reagan did I'll be more than "reasonably satisfied" with The Donald. However, Trump has yet to do that. It is really smart of Trump to adopt Reagan's "Make American Great Again" slogan. I don't mind the 'blow it up all up' attitude as long as there is a comprehensive plan about what to do with the rubble. Otherwise you are just destroying the very idea of education. In other insane US news, its now illegal in Tennessee for elected officials to vote against policies they don't like: https://tennesseelookout.com/2025/01/29/bill-criminalizing-votes-for-immigrant-sanctuary-policies-constitutionally-suspect/Show nested quote +As Gov. Bill Lee’s immigration enforcement plan moves swiftly through the Tennessee Legislature, one component of the bill — aimed at arresting local officials who support sanctuary policies for immigrants — drew scrutiny Tuesday.
Included in the governor’s wide-ranging proposal to coordinate with the Trump Administration on mass immigrant detentions and deportations is a provision that creates a Class E felony for public officials who vote to adopt or enact sanctuary policies. Sanctuary policies can shield undocumented immigrants and limit cooperation with enforcement action
The felony charge, punishable by up to six years in prison and a $3,000 fine, would apply to any public official who votes in favor of a sanctuary law, policy or on non-binding resolutions.
Sen. Todd Gardenhire, the Republican chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, blasted the provision Tuesday as a “dangerous precedent.”
“We are a Republic, and a Republic is one that we elect people to vote the way they feel like is best for the district, the city, county or the state,” he said.
“If we set the precedent of penalizing any elected official for voting their conscience, whether it’s good or bad, then we set a dangerous precedent for the future,” he said. Lol just strait up making voting illegal. Yes please tell me again how these are not fascists.
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On January 30 2025 17:13 JimmyJRaynor wrote:https://hechingerreport.org/opinion-the-new-administration-could-be-on-the-verge-of-destroying-public-education-as-we-know-it/When he says that he will stop the motor of the world, is he a destroyer or a liberator? Show nested quote +On January 30 2025 16:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
I just saw a report that said the 15 states that rely most on federal funding for education to keep their schools open voted for Trump, and are now panicking because he wants to stop the department of education from funding schools.
Teachers will lose their jobs, class sizes will go up and the quality of education will take a huge hit.
The Trump voting teachers can scarcely believe what it is they actually voted for. They are terrified for the future under Trump now.
It goes to show how powerful sloganing like "America First" can be. It can convince people to vote for policies that obviously make America worse, that were public knowledge and of actual interest to these particular voters.
Crazy. Proponents state this is short term chaos for long term benefit. If the ideological propaganda to which these institutions adhere in their operations runs contrary to the outlined directives they lose their funding. meh. These days educational institutions hold far less relevance. Unless you're entering a profession ... You can learn on your own. Even then some professions can now be entered with a lot less government sponsored education. Overall, the US education system must be overhauled because it is producing some of the fattest most unhealthy children of any 1st world country. Blow It Up Donald! Trump has been under a microscope for 10 years and has increased in popularity because he has done a decent job so far. During that same time period PM Justin Trudeau sounds very soothing and diplomatic while he led Canada to a very steady decline. By contrast, Trump is abrasive, bombastic and full of bluster. Style doesn't really matter though... all that matters are the results. I'm reasonably satisfied with Trump's performance so far. Regarding your comment about powerful slogans...Trump is promising the sun, the moon, and the stars to Americans. If Trump can deliver the kind of economic growth and quality of life improvements for average people that Reagan did I'll be more than "reasonably satisfied" with The Donald. However, Trump has yet to do that. It is really smart of Trump to adopt Reagan's "Make American Great Again" slogan.
The issue here is that education reform is complicated -- simply blowing it up isn't going to fix it. This idea that "you can learn on your own" feels like it's coming from a position of privilege; this is not a thing anyone who is barely managing to stay afloat amidst a cost of living polycrisis will be able to achieve. Basically, it will simply widen the achievement gap between the 'haves' and 'have nots'. I appreciate that this may not necessarily be a concern to you, although it really should as increasing inequality also leads to more crime, worse standards of living, etc.
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On January 30 2025 18:43 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2025 17:34 Jockmcplop wrote:On January 30 2025 17:13 JimmyJRaynor wrote:https://hechingerreport.org/opinion-the-new-administration-could-be-on-the-verge-of-destroying-public-education-as-we-know-it/When he says that he will stop the motor of the world, is he a destroyer or a liberator? On January 30 2025 16:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
I just saw a report that said the 15 states that rely most on federal funding for education to keep their schools open voted for Trump, and are now panicking because he wants to stop the department of education from funding schools.
Teachers will lose their jobs, class sizes will go up and the quality of education will take a huge hit.
The Trump voting teachers can scarcely believe what it is they actually voted for. They are terrified for the future under Trump now.
It goes to show how powerful sloganing like "America First" can be. It can convince people to vote for policies that obviously make America worse, that were public knowledge and of actual interest to these particular voters.
Crazy. Proponents state this is short term chaos for long term benefit. If the ideological propaganda to which these institutions adhere in their operations runs contrary to the outlined directives they lose their funding. meh. These days educational institutions hold far less relevance. Unless you're entering a profession ... You can learn on your own. Even then some professions can now be entered with a lot less government sponsored education. Overall, the US education system must be overhauled because it is producing some of the fattest most unhealthy children of any 1st world country. Blow It Up Donald! Trump has been under a microscope for 10 years and has increased in popularity because he has done a decent job so far. During that same time period PM Justin Trudeau sounds very soothing and diplomatic while he led Canada to a very steady decline. By contrast, Trump is abrasive, bombastic and full of bluster. Style doesn't really matter though... all that matters are the results. I'm reasonably satisfied with Trump's performance so far. Regarding your comment about powerful slogans...Trump is promising the sun, the moon, and the stars to Americans. If Trump can deliver the kind of economic growth and quality of life improvements for average people that Reagan did I'll be more than "reasonably satisfied" with The Donald. However, Trump has yet to do that. It is really smart of Trump to adopt Reagan's "Make American Great Again" slogan. I don't mind the 'blow it up all up' attitude as long as there is a comprehensive plan about what to do with the rubble. Otherwise you are just destroying the very idea of education. In other insane US news, its now illegal in Tennessee for elected officials to vote against policies they don't like: https://tennesseelookout.com/2025/01/29/bill-criminalizing-votes-for-immigrant-sanctuary-policies-constitutionally-suspect/As Gov. Bill Lee’s immigration enforcement plan moves swiftly through the Tennessee Legislature, one component of the bill — aimed at arresting local officials who support sanctuary policies for immigrants — drew scrutiny Tuesday.
Included in the governor’s wide-ranging proposal to coordinate with the Trump Administration on mass immigrant detentions and deportations is a provision that creates a Class E felony for public officials who vote to adopt or enact sanctuary policies. Sanctuary policies can shield undocumented immigrants and limit cooperation with enforcement action
The felony charge, punishable by up to six years in prison and a $3,000 fine, would apply to any public official who votes in favor of a sanctuary law, policy or on non-binding resolutions.
Sen. Todd Gardenhire, the Republican chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, blasted the provision Tuesday as a “dangerous precedent.”
“We are a Republic, and a Republic is one that we elect people to vote the way they feel like is best for the district, the city, county or the state,” he said.
“If we set the precedent of penalizing any elected official for voting their conscience, whether it’s good or bad, then we set a dangerous precedent for the future,” he said. Lol just strait up making voting illegal. Yes please tell me again how these are not fascists.
I feel like I'm missing something.
'Constitutionally suspect' the article says.
Is it not just plain, in your face fascism?
On January 30 2025 18:45 EnDeR_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2025 17:13 JimmyJRaynor wrote:https://hechingerreport.org/opinion-the-new-administration-could-be-on-the-verge-of-destroying-public-education-as-we-know-it/When he says that he will stop the motor of the world, is he a destroyer or a liberator? On January 30 2025 16:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
I just saw a report that said the 15 states that rely most on federal funding for education to keep their schools open voted for Trump, and are now panicking because he wants to stop the department of education from funding schools.
Teachers will lose their jobs, class sizes will go up and the quality of education will take a huge hit.
The Trump voting teachers can scarcely believe what it is they actually voted for. They are terrified for the future under Trump now.
It goes to show how powerful sloganing like "America First" can be. It can convince people to vote for policies that obviously make America worse, that were public knowledge and of actual interest to these particular voters.
Crazy. Proponents state this is short term chaos for long term benefit. If the ideological propaganda to which these institutions adhere in their operations runs contrary to the outlined directives they lose their funding. meh. These days educational institutions hold far less relevance. Unless you're entering a profession ... You can learn on your own. Even then some professions can now be entered with a lot less government sponsored education. Overall, the US education system must be overhauled because it is producing some of the fattest most unhealthy children of any 1st world country. Blow It Up Donald! Trump has been under a microscope for 10 years and has increased in popularity because he has done a decent job so far. During that same time period PM Justin Trudeau sounds very soothing and diplomatic while he led Canada to a very steady decline. By contrast, Trump is abrasive, bombastic and full of bluster. Style doesn't really matter though... all that matters are the results. I'm reasonably satisfied with Trump's performance so far. Regarding your comment about powerful slogans...Trump is promising the sun, the moon, and the stars to Americans. If Trump can deliver the kind of economic growth and quality of life improvements for average people that Reagan did I'll be more than "reasonably satisfied" with The Donald. However, Trump has yet to do that. It is really smart of Trump to adopt Reagan's "Make American Great Again" slogan. The issue here is that education reform is complicated -- simply blowing it up isn't going to fix it. This idea that "you can learn on your own" feels like it's coming from a position of privilege; this is not a thing anyone who is barely managing to stay afloat amidst a cost of living polycrisis will be able to achieve. Basically, it will simply widen the achievement gap between the 'haves' and 'have nots'. I appreciate that this may not necessarily be a concern to you, although it really should as increasing inequality also leads to more crime, worse standards of living, etc.
Yes, 'learning on your own' for your average inner city 13 year old means you get to spend more time earning money for drug dealers.
In yet more 'other' news:
A Puerto Rican family, including a toddler, was taken into custody by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) in Milwaukee after being overheard speaking Spanish; this incident is the latest in a surge of racial profiling concerns amid Trump's immigration crackdown.
The family, all U.S. citizens, were transported to a detention center before officials acknowledged their mistake and issued an apology.
https://www.latintimes.com/ice-says-sorry-after-detaining-us-citizens-speaking-spanish-report-573967
You're now likely to be arrested for speaking Spanish.
Trump's policies are definitely not racist though.
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United States24777 Posts
Regarding the passenger airliner collision with an army Helo near Washington National Airport last night, from a purely political perspective it will be interesting to see how the current administration does or does not inject itself into the national response. The last major passenger airline accident was in 2009.
The National Air Traffic system has been quite overtaxed for a while. Once recovery efforts are complete (I hear there are survivors) and the facts are being collected (hopefully Trump doesn't impede the NTSB) the administration and congress will need to decide what changes to make.
One of the main changes after the Colgan Air crash of 2009 was to implement stricter certification requirements for airline pilots which wouldn't have actually prevented the accident.
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On January 30 2025 17:34 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2025 17:13 JimmyJRaynor wrote:https://hechingerreport.org/opinion-the-new-administration-could-be-on-the-verge-of-destroying-public-education-as-we-know-it/When he says that he will stop the motor of the world, is he a destroyer or a liberator? On January 30 2025 16:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
I just saw a report that said the 15 states that rely most on federal funding for education to keep their schools open voted for Trump, and are now panicking because he wants to stop the department of education from funding schools.
Teachers will lose their jobs, class sizes will go up and the quality of education will take a huge hit.
The Trump voting teachers can scarcely believe what it is they actually voted for. They are terrified for the future under Trump now.
It goes to show how powerful sloganing like "America First" can be. It can convince people to vote for policies that obviously make America worse, that were public knowledge and of actual interest to these particular voters.
Crazy. Proponents state this is short term chaos for long term benefit. If the ideological propaganda to which these institutions adhere in their operations runs contrary to the outlined directives they lose their funding. meh. These days educational institutions hold far less relevance. Unless you're entering a profession ... You can learn on your own. Even then some professions can now be entered with a lot less government sponsored education. Overall, the US education system must be overhauled because it is producing some of the fattest most unhealthy children of any 1st world country. Blow It Up Donald! Trump has been under a microscope for 10 years and has increased in popularity because he has done a decent job so far. During that same time period PM Justin Trudeau sounds very soothing and diplomatic while he led Canada to a very steady decline. By contrast, Trump is abrasive, bombastic and full of bluster. Style doesn't really matter though... all that matters are the results. I'm reasonably satisfied with Trump's performance so far. Regarding your comment about powerful slogans...Trump is promising the sun, the moon, and the stars to Americans. If Trump can deliver the kind of economic growth and quality of life improvements for average people that Reagan did I'll be more than "reasonably satisfied" with The Donald. However, Trump has yet to do that. It is really smart of Trump to adopt Reagan's "Make American Great Again" slogan. I don't mind the 'blow it up all up' attitude as long as there is a comprehensive plan about what to do with the rubble. Otherwise you are just destroying the very idea of education. In other insane US news, its now illegal in Tennessee for elected officials to vote against policies they don't like: https://tennesseelookout.com/2025/01/29/bill-criminalizing-votes-for-immigrant-sanctuary-policies-constitutionally-suspect/Show nested quote +As Gov. Bill Lee’s immigration enforcement plan moves swiftly through the Tennessee Legislature, one component of the bill — aimed at arresting local officials who support sanctuary policies for immigrants — drew scrutiny Tuesday.
Included in the governor’s wide-ranging proposal to coordinate with the Trump Administration on mass immigrant detentions and deportations is a provision that creates a Class E felony for public officials who vote to adopt or enact sanctuary policies. Sanctuary policies can shield undocumented immigrants and limit cooperation with enforcement action
The felony charge, punishable by up to six years in prison and a $3,000 fine, would apply to any public official who votes in favor of a sanctuary law, policy or on non-binding resolutions.
Sen. Todd Gardenhire, the Republican chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, blasted the provision Tuesday as a “dangerous precedent.”
“We are a Republic, and a Republic is one that we elect people to vote the way they feel like is best for the district, the city, county or the state,” he said.
“If we set the precedent of penalizing any elected official for voting their conscience, whether it’s good or bad, then we set a dangerous precedent for the future,” he said.
These people are ghouls. All of them. I dont understand why people in the tennessee government are calling this a "slippery slope" it already is down the slope wtf.
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On January 30 2025 19:25 micronesia wrote:Regarding the passenger airliner collision with an army Helo near Washington National Airport last night, from a purely political perspective it will be interesting to see how the current administration does or does not inject itself into the national response. The last major passenger airline accident was in 2009. The National Air Traffic system has been quite overtaxed for a while. Once recovery efforts are complete (I hear there are survivors) and the facts are being collected (hopefully Trump doesn't impede the NTSB) the administration and congress will need to decide what changes to make. One of the main changes after the Colgan Air crash of 2009 was to implement stricter certification requirements for airline pilots which wouldn't have actually prevented the accident.
Trump wanted to cut 30,000 jobs with the FAA back in 2017.
Trump also wanted to privatize the FAA and ATC.
Trump did stop hiring ATC Personal 2 days ago, despite ATC are super overworked and in dire need of 3000 more ATcontrollers
Trump also didn't fail to berate the ATC this time.
Pilots and ATC dislike situations like in DC, when the military basicly shits on commercial aviation and does it's own thing.
They did a "Training" Flight over the potomac, right in the landing corridor of the airport ON VISUAL, AT NIGHT.
There were 5 or 6 Jets of the same type and by the same company landing at DCA within ten minutes before the crash, and to me it's most likely that the UH60 Crew saw one CRJ-701 go down at 01:46 UTC and didn't see the next approaching over the river bank on the other side.
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Northern Ireland26967 Posts
On January 30 2025 17:13 JimmyJRaynor wrote:https://hechingerreport.org/opinion-the-new-administration-could-be-on-the-verge-of-destroying-public-education-as-we-know-it/When he says that he will stop the motor of the world, is he a destroyer or a liberator? Show nested quote +On January 30 2025 16:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
I just saw a report that said the 15 states that rely most on federal funding for education to keep their schools open voted for Trump, and are now panicking because he wants to stop the department of education from funding schools.
Teachers will lose their jobs, class sizes will go up and the quality of education will take a huge hit.
The Trump voting teachers can scarcely believe what it is they actually voted for. They are terrified for the future under Trump now.
It goes to show how powerful sloganing like "America First" can be. It can convince people to vote for policies that obviously make America worse, that were public knowledge and of actual interest to these particular voters.
Crazy. Proponents state this is short term chaos for long term benefit. If the ideological propaganda to which these institutions adhere in their operations runs contrary to the outlined directives they lose their funding. meh. These days educational institutions hold far less relevance. Unless you're entering a profession ... You can learn on your own. Even then some professions can now be entered with a lot less government sponsored education. Overall, the US education system must be overhauled because it is producing some of the fattest most unhealthy children of any 1st world country. Blow It Up Donald! Trump has been under a microscope for 10 years and has increased in popularity because he has done a decent job so far. During that same time period PM Justin Trudeau sounds very soothing and diplomatic while he led Canada to a very steady decline. By contrast, Trump is abrasive, bombastic and full of bluster. Style doesn't really matter though... all that matters are the results. I'm reasonably satisfied with Trump's performance so far. Regarding your comment about powerful slogans...Trump is promising the sun, the moon, and the stars to Americans. If Trump can deliver the kind of economic growth and quality of life improvements for average people that Reagan did I'll be more than "reasonably satisfied" with The Donald. However, Trump has yet to do that. It is really smart of Trump to adopt Reagan's "Make American Great Again" slogan.
Proponents of this kind of thing frequently talk utter bollocks. It’s not about keeping ideology out of the classroom, it’s putting in more of theirs. Exceptions do of course exist and some genuinely want things as ideologically neutral as is practical when the state is involved.
What does the education system have to do with Americans being fatter fucks than most comparable nations?
It doesn’t really matter if one can learn on your own if it’s not broadly recognised. I’m all for reform that can redress some of that and modernise aspects of the education system, but this stuff sure ain’t it.
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On January 30 2025 18:45 EnDeR_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2025 17:13 JimmyJRaynor wrote:https://hechingerreport.org/opinion-the-new-administration-could-be-on-the-verge-of-destroying-public-education-as-we-know-it/When he says that he will stop the motor of the world, is he a destroyer or a liberator? On January 30 2025 16:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
I just saw a report that said the 15 states that rely most on federal funding for education to keep their schools open voted for Trump, and are now panicking because he wants to stop the department of education from funding schools.
Teachers will lose their jobs, class sizes will go up and the quality of education will take a huge hit.
The Trump voting teachers can scarcely believe what it is they actually voted for. They are terrified for the future under Trump now.
It goes to show how powerful sloganing like "America First" can be. It can convince people to vote for policies that obviously make America worse, that were public knowledge and of actual interest to these particular voters.
Crazy. Proponents state this is short term chaos for long term benefit. If the ideological propaganda to which these institutions adhere in their operations runs contrary to the outlined directives they lose their funding. meh. These days educational institutions hold far less relevance. Unless you're entering a profession ... You can learn on your own. Even then some professions can now be entered with a lot less government sponsored education. Overall, the US education system must be overhauled because it is producing some of the fattest most unhealthy children of any 1st world country. Blow It Up Donald! Trump has been under a microscope for 10 years and has increased in popularity because he has done a decent job so far. During that same time period PM Justin Trudeau sounds very soothing and diplomatic while he led Canada to a very steady decline. By contrast, Trump is abrasive, bombastic and full of bluster. Style doesn't really matter though... all that matters are the results. I'm reasonably satisfied with Trump's performance so far. Regarding your comment about powerful slogans...Trump is promising the sun, the moon, and the stars to Americans. If Trump can deliver the kind of economic growth and quality of life improvements for average people that Reagan did I'll be more than "reasonably satisfied" with The Donald. However, Trump has yet to do that. It is really smart of Trump to adopt Reagan's "Make American Great Again" slogan. The issue here is that education reform is complicated -- simply blowing it up isn't going to fix it. This idea that "you can learn on your own" feels like it's coming from a position of privilege; this is not a thing anyone who is barely managing to stay afloat amidst a cost of living polycrisis will be able to achieve. Basically, it will simply widen the achievement gap between the 'haves' and 'have nots'. I appreciate that this may not necessarily be a concern to you, although it really should as increasing inequality also leads to more crime, worse standards of living, etc.
Efficiency under Trump's administration is when overworked people get relieved of their burden by getting fired. It's alternative efficiency.
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If you care about fat Americans you will find a better solution with the FDA then education. Its not for nothing that a bunch of the stuff American company freely put in their products are regulated or downright illegal outside the US.
But hey good news, Trump also wants to abolish that so that companies can serve you even more toxic fattening shit.
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Northern Ireland26967 Posts
On January 30 2025 18:46 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2025 18:43 Gorsameth wrote:On January 30 2025 17:34 Jockmcplop wrote:On January 30 2025 17:13 JimmyJRaynor wrote:https://hechingerreport.org/opinion-the-new-administration-could-be-on-the-verge-of-destroying-public-education-as-we-know-it/When he says that he will stop the motor of the world, is he a destroyer or a liberator? On January 30 2025 16:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
I just saw a report that said the 15 states that rely most on federal funding for education to keep their schools open voted for Trump, and are now panicking because he wants to stop the department of education from funding schools.
Teachers will lose their jobs, class sizes will go up and the quality of education will take a huge hit.
The Trump voting teachers can scarcely believe what it is they actually voted for. They are terrified for the future under Trump now.
It goes to show how powerful sloganing like "America First" can be. It can convince people to vote for policies that obviously make America worse, that were public knowledge and of actual interest to these particular voters.
Crazy. Proponents state this is short term chaos for long term benefit. If the ideological propaganda to which these institutions adhere in their operations runs contrary to the outlined directives they lose their funding. meh. These days educational institutions hold far less relevance. Unless you're entering a profession ... You can learn on your own. Even then some professions can now be entered with a lot less government sponsored education. Overall, the US education system must be overhauled because it is producing some of the fattest most unhealthy children of any 1st world country. Blow It Up Donald! Trump has been under a microscope for 10 years and has increased in popularity because he has done a decent job so far. During that same time period PM Justin Trudeau sounds very soothing and diplomatic while he led Canada to a very steady decline. By contrast, Trump is abrasive, bombastic and full of bluster. Style doesn't really matter though... all that matters are the results. I'm reasonably satisfied with Trump's performance so far. Regarding your comment about powerful slogans...Trump is promising the sun, the moon, and the stars to Americans. If Trump can deliver the kind of economic growth and quality of life improvements for average people that Reagan did I'll be more than "reasonably satisfied" with The Donald. However, Trump has yet to do that. It is really smart of Trump to adopt Reagan's "Make American Great Again" slogan. I don't mind the 'blow it up all up' attitude as long as there is a comprehensive plan about what to do with the rubble. Otherwise you are just destroying the very idea of education. In other insane US news, its now illegal in Tennessee for elected officials to vote against policies they don't like: https://tennesseelookout.com/2025/01/29/bill-criminalizing-votes-for-immigrant-sanctuary-policies-constitutionally-suspect/As Gov. Bill Lee’s immigration enforcement plan moves swiftly through the Tennessee Legislature, one component of the bill — aimed at arresting local officials who support sanctuary policies for immigrants — drew scrutiny Tuesday.
Included in the governor’s wide-ranging proposal to coordinate with the Trump Administration on mass immigrant detentions and deportations is a provision that creates a Class E felony for public officials who vote to adopt or enact sanctuary policies. Sanctuary policies can shield undocumented immigrants and limit cooperation with enforcement action
The felony charge, punishable by up to six years in prison and a $3,000 fine, would apply to any public official who votes in favor of a sanctuary law, policy or on non-binding resolutions.
Sen. Todd Gardenhire, the Republican chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, blasted the provision Tuesday as a “dangerous precedent.”
“We are a Republic, and a Republic is one that we elect people to vote the way they feel like is best for the district, the city, county or the state,” he said.
“If we set the precedent of penalizing any elected official for voting their conscience, whether it’s good or bad, then we set a dangerous precedent for the future,” he said. Lol just strait up making voting illegal. Yes please tell me again how these are not fascists. I feel like I'm missing something. 'Constitutionally suspect' the article says. Is it not just plain, in your face fascism? Show nested quote +On January 30 2025 18:45 EnDeR_ wrote:On January 30 2025 17:13 JimmyJRaynor wrote:https://hechingerreport.org/opinion-the-new-administration-could-be-on-the-verge-of-destroying-public-education-as-we-know-it/When he says that he will stop the motor of the world, is he a destroyer or a liberator? On January 30 2025 16:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
I just saw a report that said the 15 states that rely most on federal funding for education to keep their schools open voted for Trump, and are now panicking because he wants to stop the department of education from funding schools.
Teachers will lose their jobs, class sizes will go up and the quality of education will take a huge hit.
The Trump voting teachers can scarcely believe what it is they actually voted for. They are terrified for the future under Trump now.
It goes to show how powerful sloganing like "America First" can be. It can convince people to vote for policies that obviously make America worse, that were public knowledge and of actual interest to these particular voters.
Crazy. Proponents state this is short term chaos for long term benefit. If the ideological propaganda to which these institutions adhere in their operations runs contrary to the outlined directives they lose their funding. meh. These days educational institutions hold far less relevance. Unless you're entering a profession ... You can learn on your own. Even then some professions can now be entered with a lot less government sponsored education. Overall, the US education system must be overhauled because it is producing some of the fattest most unhealthy children of any 1st world country. Blow It Up Donald! Trump has been under a microscope for 10 years and has increased in popularity because he has done a decent job so far. During that same time period PM Justin Trudeau sounds very soothing and diplomatic while he led Canada to a very steady decline. By contrast, Trump is abrasive, bombastic and full of bluster. Style doesn't really matter though... all that matters are the results. I'm reasonably satisfied with Trump's performance so far. Regarding your comment about powerful slogans...Trump is promising the sun, the moon, and the stars to Americans. If Trump can deliver the kind of economic growth and quality of life improvements for average people that Reagan did I'll be more than "reasonably satisfied" with The Donald. However, Trump has yet to do that. It is really smart of Trump to adopt Reagan's "Make American Great Again" slogan. The issue here is that education reform is complicated -- simply blowing it up isn't going to fix it. This idea that "you can learn on your own" feels like it's coming from a position of privilege; this is not a thing anyone who is barely managing to stay afloat amidst a cost of living polycrisis will be able to achieve. Basically, it will simply widen the achievement gap between the 'haves' and 'have nots'. I appreciate that this may not necessarily be a concern to you, although it really should as increasing inequality also leads to more crime, worse standards of living, etc. Yes, 'learning on your own' for your average inner city 13 year old means you get to spend more time earning money for drug dealers. In yet more 'other' news: Show nested quote +A Puerto Rican family, including a toddler, was taken into custody by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) in Milwaukee after being overheard speaking Spanish; this incident is the latest in a surge of racial profiling concerns amid Trump's immigration crackdown.
The family, all U.S. citizens, were transported to a detention center before officials acknowledged their mistake and issued an apology. https://www.latintimes.com/ice-says-sorry-after-detaining-us-citizens-speaking-spanish-report-573967You're now likely to be arrested for speaking Spanish. Trump's policies are definitely not racist though.
Absolutely not, and it’s totally not depressing at all that ICE were just as likely called by a ‘concerned member of the public’ than merely having been already in the vicinity.
Well colour me surprised Pikachu
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On January 30 2025 16:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
I just saw a report that said the 15 states that rely most on federal funding for education to keep their schools open voted for Trump, and are now panicking because he wants to stop the department of education from funding schools.
Teachers will lose their jobs, class sizes will go up and the quality of education will take a huge hit.
The Trump voting teachers can scarcely believe what it is they actually voted for. They are terrified for the future under Trump now.
It goes to show how powerful sloganing like "America First" can be. It can convince people to vote for policies that obviously make America worse, that were public knowledge and of actual interest to these particular voters.
Crazy.
"Education". These are the people teaching kids and then turn around and ask what the problem is and why children are less prepared for the world. I grew up during the 90s-00s and it was way better education system. Not great, but I entered adulthood with enough "knowledge" to function. These kids are phucked.
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On January 30 2025 21:51 Gorsameth wrote:
If you care about fat Americans you will find a better solution with the FDA then education. Its not for nothing that a bunch of the stuff American company freely put in their products are regulated or downright illegal outside the US.
But hey good news, Trump also wants to abolish that so that companies can serve you even more toxic fattening shit.
Encouraging a more useful work/life balance is huge for this too.
More time at home = more time to cook actual food that contains food.
Takeout is so ridiculously cheap that its often cheaper, faster and easier just to eat burgers every night.
When you have parents working 70 hours a week to make ends meet you can't exactly blame them for taking the easy option when they get home.
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On January 30 2025 21:23 KT_Elwood wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2025 19:25 micronesia wrote:Regarding the passenger airliner collision with an army Helo near Washington National Airport last night, from a purely political perspective it will be interesting to see how the current administration does or does not inject itself into the national response. The last major passenger airline accident was in 2009. The National Air Traffic system has been quite overtaxed for a while. Once recovery efforts are complete (I hear there are survivors) and the facts are being collected (hopefully Trump doesn't impede the NTSB) the administration and congress will need to decide what changes to make. One of the main changes after the Colgan Air crash of 2009 was to implement stricter certification requirements for airline pilots which wouldn't have actually prevented the accident. Trump wanted to cut 30,000 jobs with the FAA back in 2017. Trump also wanted to privatize the FAA and ATC. Trump did stop hiring ATC Personal 2 days ago, despite ATC are super overworked and in dire need of 3000 more ATcontrollers Trump also didn't fail to berate the ATC this time. Pilots and ATC dislike situations like in DC, when the military basicly shits on commercial aviation and does it's own thing. They did a "Training" Flight over the potomac, right in the landing corridor of the airport ON VISUAL, AT NIGHT. There were 5 or 6 Jets of the same type and by the same company landing at DCA within ten minutes before the crash, and to me it's most likely that the UH60 Crew saw one CRJ-701 go down at 01:46 UTC and didn't see the next approaching over the river bank on the other side.
When did he berate ATC? By any reasonable standard, you just berated the military you said they shit on commercial aviation. An accident just killed scores of people. It was either someone's fault, or nobody's fault. If the someone was ATC, that's not berating. If the someone was the helo pilot, that's not berating.
ATC are in dire need of more controllers because the government is being sued in a class action lawsuit Brigida v. USDOT by 1000 people who were kept out for being the wrong race. Not because Blumpf wants to reduce bloated desk jobs.
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On January 30 2025 21:46 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2025 18:45 EnDeR_ wrote:On January 30 2025 17:13 JimmyJRaynor wrote:https://hechingerreport.org/opinion-the-new-administration-could-be-on-the-verge-of-destroying-public-education-as-we-know-it/When he says that he will stop the motor of the world, is he a destroyer or a liberator? On January 30 2025 16:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
I just saw a report that said the 15 states that rely most on federal funding for education to keep their schools open voted for Trump, and are now panicking because he wants to stop the department of education from funding schools.
Teachers will lose their jobs, class sizes will go up and the quality of education will take a huge hit.
The Trump voting teachers can scarcely believe what it is they actually voted for. They are terrified for the future under Trump now.
It goes to show how powerful sloganing like "America First" can be. It can convince people to vote for policies that obviously make America worse, that were public knowledge and of actual interest to these particular voters.
Crazy. Proponents state this is short term chaos for long term benefit. If the ideological propaganda to which these institutions adhere in their operations runs contrary to the outlined directives they lose their funding. meh. These days educational institutions hold far less relevance. Unless you're entering a profession ... You can learn on your own. Even then some professions can now be entered with a lot less government sponsored education. Overall, the US education system must be overhauled because it is producing some of the fattest most unhealthy children of any 1st world country. Blow It Up Donald! Trump has been under a microscope for 10 years and has increased in popularity because he has done a decent job so far. During that same time period PM Justin Trudeau sounds very soothing and diplomatic while he led Canada to a very steady decline. By contrast, Trump is abrasive, bombastic and full of bluster. Style doesn't really matter though... all that matters are the results. I'm reasonably satisfied with Trump's performance so far. Regarding your comment about powerful slogans...Trump is promising the sun, the moon, and the stars to Americans. If Trump can deliver the kind of economic growth and quality of life improvements for average people that Reagan did I'll be more than "reasonably satisfied" with The Donald. However, Trump has yet to do that. It is really smart of Trump to adopt Reagan's "Make American Great Again" slogan. The issue here is that education reform is complicated -- simply blowing it up isn't going to fix it. This idea that "you can learn on your own" feels like it's coming from a position of privilege; this is not a thing anyone who is barely managing to stay afloat amidst a cost of living polycrisis will be able to achieve. Basically, it will simply widen the achievement gap between the 'haves' and 'have nots'. I appreciate that this may not necessarily be a concern to you, although it really should as increasing inequality also leads to more crime, worse standards of living, etc. Efficiency under Trump's administration is when overworked people get relieved of their burden by getting fired. It's alternative efficiency.
I also think that their idea of efficiency is merely spending less and using fewer people, with no regard for whether or not that actually makes the system more efficient. The system still needs to work as well as (or better than) it did with those "unnecessary" people and "bloated" spending. If you cut costs and fire people, and then the system collapses or doesn't function properly, then you've made it less efficient and considerably worse off than how it used to be. Cheaper is not always better; less staff is not always better.
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On January 30 2025 22:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2025 21:46 Magic Powers wrote:On January 30 2025 18:45 EnDeR_ wrote:On January 30 2025 17:13 JimmyJRaynor wrote:https://hechingerreport.org/opinion-the-new-administration-could-be-on-the-verge-of-destroying-public-education-as-we-know-it/When he says that he will stop the motor of the world, is he a destroyer or a liberator? On January 30 2025 16:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
I just saw a report that said the 15 states that rely most on federal funding for education to keep their schools open voted for Trump, and are now panicking because he wants to stop the department of education from funding schools.
Teachers will lose their jobs, class sizes will go up and the quality of education will take a huge hit.
The Trump voting teachers can scarcely believe what it is they actually voted for. They are terrified for the future under Trump now.
It goes to show how powerful sloganing like "America First" can be. It can convince people to vote for policies that obviously make America worse, that were public knowledge and of actual interest to these particular voters.
Crazy. Proponents state this is short term chaos for long term benefit. If the ideological propaganda to which these institutions adhere in their operations runs contrary to the outlined directives they lose their funding. meh. These days educational institutions hold far less relevance. Unless you're entering a profession ... You can learn on your own. Even then some professions can now be entered with a lot less government sponsored education. Overall, the US education system must be overhauled because it is producing some of the fattest most unhealthy children of any 1st world country. Blow It Up Donald! Trump has been under a microscope for 10 years and has increased in popularity because he has done a decent job so far. During that same time period PM Justin Trudeau sounds very soothing and diplomatic while he led Canada to a very steady decline. By contrast, Trump is abrasive, bombastic and full of bluster. Style doesn't really matter though... all that matters are the results. I'm reasonably satisfied with Trump's performance so far. Regarding your comment about powerful slogans...Trump is promising the sun, the moon, and the stars to Americans. If Trump can deliver the kind of economic growth and quality of life improvements for average people that Reagan did I'll be more than "reasonably satisfied" with The Donald. However, Trump has yet to do that. It is really smart of Trump to adopt Reagan's "Make American Great Again" slogan. The issue here is that education reform is complicated -- simply blowing it up isn't going to fix it. This idea that "you can learn on your own" feels like it's coming from a position of privilege; this is not a thing anyone who is barely managing to stay afloat amidst a cost of living polycrisis will be able to achieve. Basically, it will simply widen the achievement gap between the 'haves' and 'have nots'. I appreciate that this may not necessarily be a concern to you, although it really should as increasing inequality also leads to more crime, worse standards of living, etc. Efficiency under Trump's administration is when overworked people get relieved of their burden by getting fired. It's alternative efficiency. I also think that their idea of efficiency is merely spending less and using fewer people, with no regard for whether or not that actually makes the system more efficient. The system still needs to work as well as (or better than) it did with those "unnecessary" people and "bloated" spending. If you cut costs and fire people, and then the system collapses or doesn't function properly, then you've made it less efficient and considerably worse off than how it used to be. Cheaper is not always better; less staff is not always better.
Exactly. I like to compare that to a "useless fifth wheel". If the remaining four wheels can't do the job to begin with, then removing the "bloat" of the fifth wheel does absolutely nothing to fix the problem. Cutting costs and calling it a success without addressing the elephant in the room which is that the car has been scratching the road the whole time is a classic example of top-down mismanagement.
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On January 30 2025 16:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
I just saw a report that said the 15 states that rely most on federal funding for education to keep their schools open voted for Trump, and are now panicking because he wants to stop the department of education from funding schools.
Teachers will lose their jobs, class sizes will go up and the quality of education will take a huge hit.
The Trump voting teachers can scarcely believe what it is they actually voted for. They are terrified for the future under Trump now.
It goes to show how powerful sloganing like "America First" can be. It can convince people to vote for policies that obviously make America worse, that were public knowledge and of actual interest to these particular voters.
Crazy.
The Trump-voting teachers are an embarrassment to my profession. Teachers play such an important and influential role in developing the skills and shaping the minds of the next generation, yet Trump's lack of basic human decency, his utter ignorance and refusal to learn, and even his perpetual lying all run antithetical to a baseline education. Educators should not support him.
Most Republican states have been lagging behind most Democratic states for decades, and the removal of funding that disproportionately helps the former group will only widen the gap. Perhaps that's the point though: If you keep Republican voters stupid, then it's easier to trick them into voting for more Republicans.
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Northern Ireland26967 Posts
On January 30 2025 21:59 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2025 16:15 Jockmcplop wrote:
I just saw a report that said the 15 states that rely most on federal funding for education to keep their schools open voted for Trump, and are now panicking because he wants to stop the department of education from funding schools.
Teachers will lose their jobs, class sizes will go up and the quality of education will take a huge hit.
The Trump voting teachers can scarcely believe what it is they actually voted for. They are terrified for the future under Trump now.
It goes to show how powerful sloganing like "America First" can be. It can convince people to vote for policies that obviously make America worse, that were public knowledge and of actual interest to these particular voters.
Crazy. "Education". These are the people teaching kids and then turn around and ask what the problem is and why children are less prepared for the world. I grew up during the 90s-00s and it was way better education system. Not great, but I entered adulthood with enough "knowledge" to function. These kids are phucked.
What was the difference between your experience and your perception of it nowadays?
My sister is 15 years younger than me, and Minibat is 27 and in general there’s been changes made that I felt covered holes in my education, and there’s few areas I think I got the better deal.
Granted I’m not over in ye olde States
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